[Ibogaine] Nice Guy

Jim Hadey3 jimhadey3 at gmail.com
Thu Jan 26 23:42:09 CST 2017

Howdy People,

Nice to see ya Matt,

Yeah, .... I don't understand how someone would
willingly go into that level of buprenorphine
dependence....   They don't know, the Dr knows
best and the person is an addict who will try
anything and the Dr takes advantage of him.
I had a problem when one Insurance company
just stole me from one - it was Etna.  See they
send ya a letter saying "Hi, good to see ya
Mr Hadey if you do not sign or sign and mail
back we will be your new insurance company.
Right, it's like hijacking your account and I did
not know and the Dr would not see me, this,
after 10 years as a patient.  Well, I called
another Dr and he saw me a or two later but
needed the cash so I guess this is the norm
specially with sub, met and them no good
addicts don't appreciate it.  I believe the forum
said some states will allow ya a refill on the
sub and why not for it is not abused.  I also
bet Edward pays out of pocket - ouch.

Edward, have you considered cleaning up
and doing a Ibo detox?  You really got to
go 90 days using short acting opiates and
if you don't it is a long suffering detox and
they wished they had done the 90 days on
SAOs ( codeine, morphine, vikes, - no done
or sub).  The guy has some responsibility
but you know sometimes addicts are not
thinking right and under the gun but I have
seen dope dealers with more ethics than a
Dr 2 x month.  I would say cut down but
say nothing, keep some tucked away and
detox yourself as time goes on and right
now find another Dr and ask on the phone
if it is once a month for you can not afford
twice a month and see what happens, but
avoid that Dr.  How much time does he
spend with ya?  Is he a 5 minute Dr?  If
ya had a sore throat would he look at it or
a prostate problem for example, you know
a regular all purpose Dr?  Did he offer ya a
flu shot without you even asking?  I wish ya
the best.

  - JIM

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 9:26 PM, Matt S. <ibogamail at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well Jim was reposting that from somewhere else so whoever actually posted
> that is not on our little list here.  I got to wonder though, why would you
> take suboxone 3x a day?  There is no point.  It really wouldn't matter at
> all if you took the whole dose in the morning or split it up during the
> day.  The other thing I thought when I read that is that whoever that is,
> they have some responsibility there too.  Yes the doctor sounds like a dirt
> bag but I mean come on, take responsibility for what you put in your body
> and how much and how often and make sure you know what it is and what it
> does.  Just because somebody goes to lots of medical school doesn't
> automatically mean they aren't a douche bag.  Medical school doesn't
> necessarily filter out the assholes.  People need to be their own best
> medical advocate.  The medical industry is about $$$ not health outcomes.
> I totally understand winding up on suboxone, I wound up on methadone, but
> that leash chafed badly.  I never forgot that the clinic had me over a
> barrel and I never stopped plotting to be rid of that leash.  If I read
> that correctly they were taking 24mg a day which is absurd.  Total recipe
> for a very shitty outcome and totally unnecessary.  I don't understand how
> someone would willingly go into that level of buprenorphine dependence.  I
> never did suboxone but I doubt you would feel a difference going up past
> about 8mg a day, but you very likely would trying to come down from those
> high doses.  Reminds me of things I read online about people being on 300mg
> of methadone.  What's the point?  After about 120-130 it's all the same,
> there is no buzz to be had.  But coming down is the suxors and takes
> fricken years of taper.
> Matt
> On 1/26/2017 6:52 PM, michael langshaw wrote:
> Holy shit that sucks and the story is very similar to mine some 7years
> ago. It was what lead me to this list and how I found the best underground
> provider in the world. All things happen for a reason. I was so lucky to be
> in CT and so close to NY. I truly feel for you and despise Dr's like that.
> Fucking legal drug dealers. What ever solution you find I hope,you find it
> fast and before the pains of withdrawal drive you to do something stupid. I
> know you don't have much choice but messing with those Vicodin is playing
> with fire. Unless you use them for a month at a low dose and then detox off
> them which in my opinion is easier than buprenorphine. God bless
> Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 26, 2017, at 6:40 PM, Jim Hadey3 <jimhadey3 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Good to see ya again, things going ok?  You live in England if I
> remember so may I ask how it is going with the refugees.
> Best,
>   - JIM
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Edward W <edwardw at mtciep.com> wrote:
>> Sad to see Jim, looks like a bit of scumbaggery going on.
>> _______________
>> Edward W.
>> On 1/26/2017 4:34 PM, Jim Hadey3 wrote:
>> Hi People and assorted creatures,
>> All the Drs are this cold and only 2 weeks at a time - sick.
>> http://www.medschat.com/Discuss/withdrawl-symptoms-233629.htm
>> iam on suboxone <http://www.medschat.com/Drugs/Suboxone/> 8mg 3x a day
>> my dr has kept me on this for over 2 years and intends to keep me on it the
>> problem is he charges 150 dollars per visit and only gives me enough for
>> two weeks at a time so i have to come back twice a month and pay 300. that
>> in itself i find horrible that he wont give me a month supply just so he
>> can get an extra 150 but anyways the problem is a week and a half ago i was
>> due for a new script but i had a problem with my pay so i wont be getting
>> paid for another 3 to 4 weeks so i cannot afford my appointment i called my
>> doctor and he basiclly said without the money he wont see me now he pushed
>> this drug on me claming it was less addictive then opiates and the
>> withdrawls wouldnt be as bad but they are and i cant even go to my local er
>> i called and explained the problem and they said the best they could do was
>> give me motrin <http://www.medschat.com/Drugs/Motrin/> and we all know
>> that will do nothing. is there anything i can do to counter the effects of
>> withdrawl iam very shaky to the point where its like restless leg syndrom
>> but through my whole body and its pure pain. i know from information iam
>> looking at atleast a month of this and worse..now i have been taking
>> vicodin <http://www.medschat.com/Drugs/Vicodin/> and it helps but i dont
>> want to keep taking that and its also extremly difficult to get ahold of
>> for me. does anyone know of anything i can do to relieve this or of any
>> orginizations that could help pay for an appointment i already have pull
>> perscription coverage for it but almost all suboxone
>> <http://www.medschat.com/Drugs/Suboxone/> doctors want cash and atleast
>> 150 or more in nj
>> http://www.medschat.com/Discuss/withdrawl-symptoms-233629.htm
>> Hi. I read your post and wonder where in NJ you are located? Your doctor
>> bringing you in every 2 weeks at $150 each time for over 2 years is not
>> right. While most suboxone <http://www.medschat.com/Drugs/Suboxone/>
>> offices do charge at least $150 for existing patients, it is usually a once
>> a MONTH charge. After 2 years, there is no real reason for you to have to
>> see doctor every 2 weeks. You could attempt to ask him to at least call in
>> a temporary supply over the phone to your pharmacy for you until you have
>> the money to seehim. However, should you ever want to switch
>> doctors/offices for continued treatment (office-based once a month visits),
>> feel free to call my office as listed below. We are taking new patients and
>> appointments are available for this Wednesday, 8/1/12. Thanks and hope your
>> doctor will work with you especially after all the time and money you have
>> with him.
>> Grace
>> Office Telephone 732.455.8820 <%28732%29%20455-8820>
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>> *jen* Says:
>> Sat, Jul 28 '12, 7:58 AM
>> i live in ocean county nj and yea thats just how my dr is i even asked
>> him if he could call some in over the phone and he claims he cant do that
>> and legally he cant write for more then a two week supply and yes i know he
>> s lieing and as soon as i do get paid i will be looking for another doctor
>> i want someone who will value thier patients and truly care about them. i
>> do understand being a doctor is a job and they do need to be paid but after
>> the thousands ive spent in his office and never owed him anything n always
>> paid cash i expected atleast for one time he could just cut me a break and
>> let me pay him in a few weeks its not like he doesnt know id be back. and
>> ty for answering my post i will keep ur office in mind
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>> *Grace* Says:
>> Sat, Jul 28 '12, 9:50 AM
>> Our office is located in Neptune, NJ. Yes, as you said you are aware, a
>> doctor can write a Rx for Suboxone
>> <http://www.medschat.com/Drugs/Suboxone/> (or any Schedule III narcotic)
>> for 30 days and up to 2 refills (90 day supply) if he chose to. Also since
>> it is a Schedule III, it can be called in via telephone to a patient's
>> pharmacy. Doctor's do not usually do this, however our office has a "No
>> call in" "No early Med if lost/stolen" etc Policy, but when a patient is
>> seen monthly, the Rx is written for a 30 or 28-day supply (No refills) and,
>> the patient is seen exactly 28 days later. Qty and return appointment
>> length of time is always at our doctor's discretion, however it is rare
>> that a monthly patient would be asked to return for an appointment any
>> sooner than a month later. I have seen it happen only a few times in
>> several years and, it was always for a reason that was understandable
>> whereas even the patient did not disagree and understood the reasoning. Im
>> not sure if your able to pay with CC or Checks with your current doctor
>> but, we do accept Credit Cards & Checks in addition to Cash. Thank you for
>> keeping our office in mind. Call anytime should you decide to inquire about
>> making an appointment (no waiting list). Thanks,
>> Grace
>> Outpatient Medical Treatment Services
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>> Best,
>>   - JIM
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