[Ibogaine] Don't answer questions

Channing cwebbie at yahoo.com
Tue Jan 28 16:26:16 CST 2014


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> On Jan 27, 2014, at 4:27 PM, Jim Hadey3 <jimhadey3 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi All,
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> >>>One good thing is SCOTUS ruled DUI/high-drug-zone checkpoints violate the 4th ammend. So we got that going for us.<<<
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> So are you saying it is illegal and they quit doing it?  I never heard that it violated the 4th amendment, thought it but did not know there was a ruling.  If they tell ya go get out of the car you got to do it.  Do you by any chance know what SCOTUS stands for?  Also there is a pic on Wiki where they have marines searching cars - that is against the constitution but they do it anyway.
> 
> Good Post,
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>   - JIM
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>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Edward W. <edwardw at mtciep.com> wrote:
>> Good points Channing.  Thanks for sharing.
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>> Edward
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>>> On 1/26/2014 1:43 PM, Channing Webster wrote:
>>> I have more experience with this than most. First it's important to note that the cop in this utube video could have made that much more difficult. Probably helped that the guy is a middle-aged white guy in a late model car with a camera rolling.
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>>> While it's true you don't have to answer questions, it's a lot better to not be an asshole about it. If I'm asked where I came from or where I'm going I say something like, "With all respect, sir, that is a private matter that I'd rather not discuss." The officer will be trained to overcome objections and/or be pissed off anyway. The next step is saying "Do I have to tell you?"
>>> 
>>> If you are in a bad spot with LE "Do I have to...? Will give you the best chance to get potential evidence thrown out because a good amount of time the officers don't actually know the answer themselves and may say YES or engage in a way that coerces you into giving away your 4th Ammed rights.(Whether the officer testifies truthfully is certainly not something to take for granted, however.) A well trained cop will generally say, "no, you don't have to" and pretty much leave it that.
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>>> It's also worth noting from the video that the policeman had the authority to ask whether the man had been drinking or whether he was carrying a weapon inside the vehicle. Remaining silent on these questions will probably get you removed from the car and handcuffed. LE has a reasonable right to personal safety, which means a search for weapons inside the vehicle's accessible areas is permissible Without probable cause. During this search you will be removed and placed in restraints. LE also has the authority to determine whether the driver is intoxicated. You can refuse their roadside tests and breathalyzers but they can easily justify detaining you for a trip to the ER for a blood-test. You certainly can, should, and must deny permission for LE to search your trunk (at least if you believe in the US Constitution). Even then LE can detain you for a "reasonable period" until a drug-sniffing dog can inspect the air around you, your car, and any of its occupants in route to the establishment of probable cause.
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>>> So, being all smug like the dude in the video doesn't automatically work out that simply. It's also funny that after the cop writes the ticket he opens himself up to getting the ticket he wrote thrown out and when the driver starts questioning him about it, the cop is the one who seems to lose his tongue. I wonder if he will record the court hearing on the ticket.
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