[Ibogaine] To all, Thank you !

Valarie val.needis at gmail.com
Tue Sep 10 03:49:42 CDT 2013

Jim, You are so right I can't even count all the times they gave me "free
samples"  of SSRIs!  When I was in my late teens early 20s I thought I had
the worst flu ever (this was before opiots) it lasted forever, I was so
sick! I finally went to the doctor and he told me I was going through Paxil
withdrawal!  I had just stopped taking it because it wasn't doing
anything,  I remember I was pissed becomes I had my fill ready at the
pharmacy and.I felt like I went through all this he'll and my script was
there the whole time! Doctors were always giving me anti depressants,  I
would tell them ok I feel better now I don't want to take these anymore and
they would say "Well that means their working, so you need to stay on them"
I was on them for a long time but when I started to get addicted to pain
medication I would always forget the drugs I thought were "good for me" and
it was all about the opiots. I was sick most the time from.running out that
I am sure I was sick from all that crap too!
Shelton,  how long were you on Sub for I went off and on it for years,  but
this last time I was on it for over a year straight, it took away
compassion I felt for.others and I am.a.very sensitive person, it was like
I.just went along with whatever,  never questioning anything. I am waiting
3 months before I do my Ibogaine treatment,  how long did you wait? I am
sorry that you went through all that I truely feel your pain. I went on the
Ibogine survivor Facebook page and talked about how hard Sub is,  and that
I am still detoxing and its has almost been 2 months they act like that's
not possible.  It not a very supportive site. Actually every time I go on
it I get mad, and all I am looking for is support like I get here. Thanks
everyone,  Lotsof Love, Val
On Sep 9, 2013 6:23 PM, "Jim Hadey3" <jimhadey3 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Shelton,
> I have heard a lot of people saying it is ok for three or four years then
> you get major depression and fatigue.
> They can give you Trexan implants what can't they give ya dilaudid
> implants?  Damn, sub seems like a time bomb in your body and you know it's
> going to go off but you don't know when and you can't get off of it.
> As far as suing big pharma they they have several TV adds  that are
> telling people - If your son has a clef pallet and your took Paxil or
> whatever call us now.  Then there is some kind of birth control device and
> medical device, they got a lot of different lawsuits and they are class
> action, the lawyers make out great but the patient doesn't do all that
> good.   Of all the Drs that gave me SSRIs not one told me about the
> discontinuation syndrome, now how can you overlook something like that?  It
> caused one man to lose his job because he was in a fog.  I think the Dr
> should be sued for not telling ya that it is addictive.  It's like they do
> not care and sometimes make things worse.
> What about all the SSRIs they pass out like candy, I had Dr offer them to
> me, never even had to ask.  I have tried 10 different flavors and none of
> them are any good for me and they make things worse.  Why do they give ya
> meds to increase seratonion when they don't even do a blood test to see if
> your low on it???  How come they don't give ya heroin or morphine because
> you might be low on that and that can cause a lot of problems.
> When you quit the the sub did you go to SAOs or straight to Ibo.  It
> always seems that they start ya off on a high dose rather than work up to
> it, strange.
> Best to ya,
>   - JIM
> On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 8:18 PM, sheldon Rucker <iboga2differ at gmail.com>wrote:
>> Hello, Jim.
>> My extended use of suboxone was a nightmarish experience. In the final
>> year,
>> I suffered hellish headaches, accompanied by nausea and vomiting. These
>> would generally begin during the final stages of sleep, and would last 4-8
>> hours.
>> if I were to drive for any distance, I was guaranteed one of these
>> episodes.
>> These came about every week, towards the end.  I would have happily done
>> CT instead of this 'treatment' as I endured easily 10 fold misery in the
>> long run.
>> I am waiting for the day when I see the advertisements for a class action
>> suit against the big pharma. I'll be lining up for a check.
>> On Monday, September 9, 2013, Jim Hadey3 wrote:
>>> Hi Shelton,
>>> Pods are still available as far as I know but quite expensive.  May I
>>> ask why you wanted to quit Sub and what would you do if you could take it
>>> over, ct or mdone?
>>> Thanks,
>>>   - JIM
>>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 4:12 PM, sheldon Rucker <iboga2differ at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> To all, thank you for welcoming me back.
>>>> It feels great and I am pouring over a couple of year's worth of posts
>>>> to see what I missed.
>>>> I find there has been the sad loss of life,  arrests, and yes,
>>>> controversial treatments.
>>>> Drug policy is still in need of serious enlightenment, but seems headed
>>>> in the wrong direction.
>>>> ***
>>>> As I am working towards my next ibo encounter, I am looking for ways to
>>>> 'stay well'
>>>> I know all to well the misery that is sub, as I spent 3 horrible years
>>>> on it.  Never again.
>>>> Pods....are they still available ?  In researching this possible
>>>> maintenance program,
>>>> I am reading that there has been a clamp down on sales stateside.
>>>> If there is information that could help me, please let me know.
>>>> Again, to everyone who reached out to me. Thank you.
>>>> It really means a lot to be recognized and acknowledged.
>>>> -Sheldon
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