[Ibogaine] Kratom and Phenibut is saving me.....

Jeff G jeffgallop at gmail.com
Sun Oct 20 21:57:29 CDT 2013


Jim
Many many folks love that up and down trip...
I sure did.
Speedball anyone?

bells a ringing....

Peace my friend
JeffG
On Oct 20, 2013 1:13 PM, "Jim Hadey3" <jimhadey3 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Sure it makes sense your an addict.  If fact you would be a polly addict.
>  Some people say my drug of choice is all of them.  Well I can't see
> someone wanting to do uppers and downers or mushroom and downers.
>
> From wiki:
>
> Oh, you posted about the crockadil which I believe has the real
> name Diamorphine[edit]
> See also: Heroin maintenance
>
> In Switzerland, Germany, the Netherlands, and the United Kingdom, longterm
> injecting drug users who do not benefit from methadone and other medication
> options are being treated with pure injectable diamorphine that is
> administered under the supervision of medical staff. For this group of
> patients, diamorphine treatment has proven superior in improving their
> social and health situation.[18] Studies show that even after years of
> homelessness and delinquency and despite severe comorbidities, about half
> of the patients find employment within the first year of treatment.[19]
> LAAM[edit]
> See also: Levacetylmethadol
>
> LAAM was previously used to treat opioid dependence. In 2003 the drug's
> manufacturer discontinued production. At this time there are no available
> generic versions produced.
> <<<
>
> Now if I am not mistaking the crock only lasted 90 minutes and I can not
> see how that can help addiction.
>
> I know a guy who was taking LAMM as a test subject they ran their test and
> told him that this would be the last week or whatever.  He then went to a
> methadone clinic.  It is like a long lasting methadone I am not sure if it
> is harder to kick.
>
> Best,
>
>   - JIM
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Jim, your not the only one. If I drink a cup of coffee I start shaking. I
>> HATE coke! But every time it was in front of me I did it , knowing I would
>> HATE it and probably have a panic attack. Now how does that make sense?
>>
>> Lotsof Love, Val
>> On Oct 20, 2013 6:28 AM, "Jim Hadey3" <jimhadey3 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi James,
>>>
>>> Are there any nootropics (SP) that are good.  I tried one or two and it
>>> seemed to make me a little shakey.  Ritlin also casue me to shake after 3
>>> or 4 days of use and I don't really like it.  It seems that whenever
>>> something messes with the Dopamine receptor it causes problems.  From what
>>> I understand cocaine acts on the D receptor and people love it but I am not
>>> that crazy about it or Ritlin so how come everyone has fun playing with the
>>> D receptor but me??
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>  - JIM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 10:48 PM, James Forristal <
>>> psychonaut101 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Phenibut is gaba active and if use continually it will cause physical
>>>> dependence.   So don't over rely on it.
>>>>  On Oct 17, 2013 7:17 PM, "Sergey Sibirian" <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sister,
>>>>>
>>>>> The curious thing is that the person who was NOT opiate-naive had a
>>>>> much harder time then the other, who was.
>>>>> It seems logical that when you switch to Kratom from year long abuse,
>>>>> your brain has just switched a chemical compound, but it is far from having
>>>>> found any balance, so let's say I was 15 years on heroin/methadone and then
>>>>> switch to Kratom for couple months, my WD will be MUCH worse then somebody
>>>>> who was using for only a year.
>>>>>
>>>>> In your opinion Sister, what's the easiest SAO to CT from?
>>>>>
>>>>> Wish you well
>>>>>
>>>>> Sergey
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:13 PM, sister <sistereboga at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It hits the same receptors as opiates.  Just like tramadol is not a
>>>>>> opiate but it hits same receptors.  The kick ct is just like an opiate
>>>>>> kick.   I never kicked Kraton but have two friends that did.  One I know
>>>>>> for sure was on it about a yr.  Naive to opiates.  Kick was three weeks.
>>>>>>  This was from the extract.  She looked no different then me in my younger
>>>>>> yrs ct.   I really didn't see the other friend during her kick.  Went from
>>>>>> sub to Kraton.   Not opiate naive at all.  Used the k after her sub but
>>>>>> then stayed too long.  Her kick lasted a few weeks.  She said harder then
>>>>>> oxy kick.  All this was maybe 5 yrs ago when I was wean from sub.  She is
>>>>>> what made my decision not to use k to get off sub.  I do think that once
>>>>>> the 2-3 week kick it was over for her.  Unlike me who was 8 mo post jump
>>>>>> from sub and still in wd daily, severely depressed, not sleeping more then
>>>>>> 10 hrs a week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sister
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Val,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> when you say "the withdrawal is the same as coming off a SAO",
>>>>>> can I ask you a few questions:
>>>>>> -did you experience it in full length (the WD from Kratom)?
>>>>>> -how long were you taking Kratom for?
>>>>>> -did you do a lot of Cold turkeys in your life? (this is coz in my
>>>>>> exp., the withdrawals tend to be very different from each other, depending
>>>>>> on many things, like place, environment, substance of course, but also
>>>>>> motivation, approach, etc...)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't get me wrong, I'm just trying to figure out if your experience
>>>>>> is more subjective or the norm.
>>>>>> I can't seem to be able to get a clear answer to:
>>>>>> "If Kratom is a herb and is still very different from Opium, which
>>>>>> almost everything indicate, how is it different in terms of physical
>>>>>> addiction and WD?
>>>>>> There's not much literature on the subject and only FIRST-HAND
>>>>>> experiences can shed light.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wish you well
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sergey
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 1:51 AM, Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Haha yes by OJ I meant Orange Juice, it looks like a swamp when you
>>>>>>> do it that way.  yuck ... gag
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Coming off of bouncing between 2-4 mgs of Subutex. I started with
>>>>>>> 1tsp, per cup , then wait an hour and if you don't feel better do it again,
>>>>>>> Then you can find out a good dose, more does NOT mean better, if you
>>>>>>> take to much you WILL puke.
>>>>>>> I got a buzz off of it, and my tolerance quickly went up. The
>>>>>>> withdrawal is the same as coming off a short acting opiot.
>>>>>>> <3 Val
>>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2013 7:24 PM, "Sergey Sibirian" <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Made me think of OJ Simpson....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Speaking of humour, you guys ever watched Louis C.K. stand up
>>>>>>>> comedy?
>>>>>>>> I find him hilarious, really f**king funny, same as Greg Giraldo...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sergey
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Jim Hadey3 <jimhadey3 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OJ is orange juice.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   - JIM
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Sergey Sibirian <
>>>>>>>>> sibirianfox at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Val,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Val.
>>>>>>>>>> What's OJ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And what was "too much" for you?
>>>>>>>>>> What dose were you taking daily, and most importantly, FROM WHAT
>>>>>>>>>> SUBSTANCE/DOSAGE YOU SWITCHED FROM?
>>>>>>>>>> (I want to try and calculate the equipotence of Kratom VS other
>>>>>>>>>> SAO's)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sergey
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sergie,Im not sure if this helps but I never threw up when I
>>>>>>>>>>> made the tea through the coffie pot, I would chill it add lemon , make ice
>>>>>>>>>>> tea :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It is when I just dumped the powder and mixed it with water that
>>>>>>>>>>> the taste was so Nasty I would vomit. Also if you take to much you will
>>>>>>>>>>> vomit. Some people will mix the Kratom with OJ, and just take it as a shot.
>>>>>>>>>>> Vomit!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Smoking weed with it seems to make it stronger. ( but that's
>>>>>>>>>>> just me )
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Love, Val
>>>>>>>>>>>  On Oct 14, 2013 4:12 PM, "Sergey Sibirian" <
>>>>>>>>>>> sibirianfox at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Val,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll really need to "extract" all the info from you before I
>>>>>>>>>>>> start extracting my Kratom.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I mean. you did it first hand, so I'll gladly listen to all the
>>>>>>>>>>>> steps to take.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Other then making tea, which I understand makes you throw up
>>>>>>>>>>>> after the taste becomes unbearable, I saw that people can also make
>>>>>>>>>>>> "gel-caps" out of it?
>>>>>>>>>>>> That last part is very unclear to me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergey
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> L.N, I also used Kratom to help me get off Sub.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was bouncing between 2-4mgs when I switched to Kratom. This
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is how I did it.  It worked great until it gave me a seizure, so now I can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> no longer use it :(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> brew it the same way you brew coffee, use can start off by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> using 1 tsp per cup can go up to 1 table spoon based on tolerance to.start
>>>>>>>>>>>>> off, after you make your first batch of kratom through the coffee maker you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can always run it back through the coffee pot and increase the dose 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>> times. Try the smaller dose first and gauge how you feel it takes about 30
>>>>>>>>>>>>> minutes to an hour to kick in. Add some lemon. I found it quite tasty, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely needs the lemon for taste.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found when I just mixed the kratom with hot water or OJ it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> did not work as well. Plus it made me puke a few times. I would not suggest
>>>>>>>>>>>>> drinking the powder.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lotsof Love, Val
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 14, 2013 1:50 PM, "Eddie Caceres" <ebrvwarr at aol.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Mroz glad to hear your doing well keep us posted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 11, 2013, at 7:13 PM, "L.N. Mroz" <leomroz24 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes it acts very similar to hydrocodone or oxy, just not as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strong and without the intense rush. I also am getting off subs for Iboga
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and didnt think kratom would be strong enough to keep me from taking my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sub, but once you get down to a very low dose this stuff works very well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Surprised me honestly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today I got some norcos so didnt take the kratom but 2mrw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be back on it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Sergey.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eddie good to hear from you, im still in the process as well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting very close though. I hope you can get things figured out I wish you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well buddy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 5:09 AM, Eddie Caceres <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ebrvwarr at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's up Mroz it's Eddie just wanted to wish you well and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to hang in there buddy you've given me a lot of hope. I'm still in the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> situation. Peace.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 8, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Sergey Sibirian <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sibirianfox at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Mroz,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said it's been day five OFF SUB.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even though you're substituting with an opioid agonist,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> albeit much, much of a different, BETTER type,- Kratom-, I would still love
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to know how things are "feeling"?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sub has a particularity, SLOW RECEPTOR DISSOCIATION, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should translate in a very slow onset of withdrawals, although ultimately
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not necessarily less painful/suffering.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So how many days you're off Sub?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How long have you been taking it AND what was the initial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dose?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How does it feel?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope these questions are not too intrusive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tnx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergey
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 1:09 PM, L.N. Mroz <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leomroz24 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I recently stopped taking my 1-2mg of Suboxone and also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started to cut my Benzo intake as well. I tried to cold turkey the sub
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and that did not work out well at all. Insomnia, restless legs and full
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> body aches.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I remember trying Kratom a few months ago, but since I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still on the low dose of sub, I really didn't feel it and thus give it a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real chance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its now been day 5 of no sub and the ONLY reason I have not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gone back on my subs is because I have kratom....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This blew me away at how powerful this stuff can be, my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> withdrawals were reduced down to ZERO, my energy shoots up and also I feel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all around a sense of well being and social.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I buy my kratom from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.bouncingbearbotanicals.com?ref=4813 and the Phenibut
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from www.liftmode.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has anybody had the same experience? Also has anyone herd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Phenibut, it is supposed to act on the GABA B receptor and GABA A
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receptor just like Benzo's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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