jeffgallop at gmail.com
Sun Oct 13 13:08:17 CDT 2013
Sorry to hear that Edward.
We all go through the ups and downs. Seems like life, sober or not, using
dope or not, is a series of ups and downs. For me the downs get most of the
attention, I struggle to give my ups the same. It's a head scratcher for me
I have always enjoyed your posts, you seem very much a kind man.
I hope you feel better soon.
On Oct 13, 2013 9:46 AM, "Edward W" <edwardw at mtciep.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the reminder Matt. I've been struggling lately with the
> drink and associated behaviors. Thanks for that, it is uplifting.
> On 10/13/2013 10:10 AM, Matt S. wrote:
> HI Sergey
> At the risk of being wrong (Gabrijela can correct me) I understood her to
> be suggesting that your wife was like her husband in that her husband did
> not do the research or make the effort in regards to his ibogaine treatment
> and your wife is not here on the list asking questions and participating in
> that way. And as to that point I totally agree. Usually people who have
> ibogaine just handed to them, people who have someone else extend all the
> effort of finding out about it, how to get it, and have someone else
> basically make a treatment happen for them, those people tend to have poor
> outcomes. And not infrequently they are the same ones who later make a lot
> of noise about how their provider "didn't do it right." People who don't
> talk to others about it, read about it, and generally educate themselves
> about it seem to have this idea that they will take it and then live
> happily ever after. When it doesn't turn out anything like that they blame
> everyone else for it. Staying off of drugs takes work, ibogaine helps a
> shit load but it still takes lots and lots of work. People who are not
> demonstrating any effort before they even take the ibogaine are extremely
> unlikely to do the work required post-ibo to stay clean.
> By the way Gabrijela, your description of your husband reminded me of
> myself a little. Human beings have a remarkable capacity for
> transformation, or you could say that the spirit in the sky has a
> remarkable ability to transform us, either way, the most hopeless addicts
> are never really hopeless until they are dead and buried. As long as an
> addict takes breath, recovery is a possibility.
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