[Ibogaine] phenibut and litium orantate

Sister sistereboga at yahoo.com
Sun Oct 13 11:23:34 CDT 2013


The poison is not new.. Been around a long time.  You want to read how it affects addicts go to subsucks.com or opiated detox and recovery.  Read it from the mouth of those who fell for it.

Smooth journey,
Sister

On Oct 13, 2013, at 12:12 PM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mroz,
> 
> You wrote:
> 
> " ...with sao's again since I no longer take sub and the high kindof sucked, like the whole things was not what it used to be..."
> 
> Can you explain what you mean by "not like it used to be"?
> 
> I gathering a kind of an intuitive research still based of science/individual experience on what Subaxon does to peoples brains.
> Very important to me: my girl's on it, and this shit is new.
> So far so good, but how can one be sure.
> Long term consequences, irreversible damage, permanent brain chemistry misbalance....
> Brrrr.... God forbid....
> 
> 
> Tnx!
> 
> Sergey
> 
> 
> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 10:11 AM, L.N. Mroz <leomroz24 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yea thats me lol. Yes im so tired of the ups and downs, even recently after being of subs for 3 years and not really getting high, I started messing around with sao's again since I no longer take sub and the high kindof sucked, like the whole things was not what it used to be.
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Mroz,
>>> 
>>> I hear you, though I never had to go through this myself.
>>> 
>>> I'm sorry Mroz, I'm still a bit confused coz there's a lot of new names to me.
>>> 
>>> Are you the one who's going through a transition from Sub to Kratom to finally get clean with Ibogaine?
>>> 
>>> I sure wish you success.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sergey
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 7:25 PM, L.N. Mroz <leomroz24 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> No problemo. Ya benzo is very tough to stop, I think worse than opiates, especially xanax. I did cold turkey when I moved away both xanax and opiates, that next day I ended up checking into the ER for benzo withdrawal. It was the most mentally draining/tough daily battles I ever attempted and I was clean 1 month and a few days after leaving the ER, yet anxiety and depression was a still a problem, so I finally gave in. 
>>>> 
>>>> Although week 3 or 4 I did start to feel a little bit better 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Benzos are BY FAR THE WORST SUBSTANCE to get off.
>>>>> There's a lot of documented proof to that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Same as alcohol, benzos act on the GABBA receptors, which are part of the system that is responsible for the
>>>>> HOMEOSTASIS of the brain, i.e. the BALANCE between "up/stimulation" and "down/suppression" states of the brain and consequently, the body.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've personally seen a man fall in convulsions and being driven away in an ambulance, and another one roll down the stairs, also driven away, but ending up in coma in a hospital. Both times during an attempted quick detox in one of those "detox therapies".  Both men were quitting alcohol, which is the same shit as benzos, only not so bad....
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here's a wiki quote...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Post-acute benzodiazepine withdrawal[edit]
>>>>> See also: Benzodiazepine withdrawal syndrome
>>>>> Disturbances in mental function can persist for several months or years after withdrawal from benzodiazepines. Psychotic depression persisting for more than a year following benzodiazepine withdrawal has been documented in the medical literature. The patient had no prior psychiatric history. The symptoms reported in the patient included, major depressive disorder with psychotic features, including persistent depressed mood, poor concentration, decreased appetite, insomnia, anhedonia, anergia and psychomotor retardation. The patient also experienced paranoid ideation (believing she was being poisoned and persecuted by co-employees), accompanied by sensory hallucinations. Symptoms developed after abrupt withdrawal of chlordiazepoxide and persisted for 14 months. Various psychiatric medications were trialed which were unsuccessful in alleviating the symptomatology. Symptoms were completely relieved by recommending chlordiazepoxide for irritable bowel syndrome 14 months later.[20] Another case report, reported similar phenomenon in a female patient who abruptly reduced her diazepam dosage from 30 mg to 5 mg per day. She developed electric shock sensations, depersonalisation, anxiety, dizziness, left temporal lobe EEG spiking activity, hallucinations, visual perceptual and sensory distortions which persisted for years.[21]
>>>>> 
>>>>> A clinical trial of patients taking the benzodiazepine alprazolam (Xanax) for as little as 8 weeks triggered protracted symptoms of memory deficits which were still present after up to 8 weeks post cessation of alprazolam.[22]
>>>>> 
>>>>> Treatment
>>>>> [edit]
>>>>> 
>>>>> The condition gradually improves over a period of time which can range from six months to several years in more severe cases.[23][24] Acamprosate has been found to be effective in alleviating some of the post acute withdrawal symptoms of alcohol withdrawal.[25][26] Carbamazepine or trazodone may also be effective in the treatment of post acute withdrawal syndrome.[27][28][29] Cognitive behavioral therapy can also help the post acute withdrawal syndrome especially when cravings are a prominent feature.[30] 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 9:27 PM, star ray <earthshealing at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> LN,  thanks, I missed your message  about where to order the phenibut and I found some on ebay, I will capsule it up.  Now my yoga friend sent me this link:
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> http://www.marsvenus.com/p/lithium-orotate
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> this lithium oranatate is suppose to help with brain, depression and weaning off meds so check out this website,  It is not that expensive  21.00 with shipping for 120 day supply. I have really been stuggling with depression after going off valium cold turkey 3 1/2 months ago (that has been a real nightmare but getting better)  they say benzo's are harder to get off of than heroin..... it was not fun,  I really don't know how i did it, almost as bad as sub. I must be into wanting "complete body sensation"  that is sick in its own way for sure
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>>>>>> peace to all ,  Star
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