[Ibogaine] Desperate for help

Valarie val.needis at gmail.com
Wed Nov 6 22:36:48 CST 2013


Jim, Thank you I NEED to here the truth
On Nov 6, 2013 8:24 PM, "Sister" <sistereboga at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I would hold back on the boosters for a few weeks.  Don't see reason for
> then yet.. Sleep more important, eating and excerise.  I'd wait full two or
> even three weeks.
>
> Smooth journey,
> Sister
>
> On Nov 6, 2013, at 9:44 PM, Jeff G <jeffgallop at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sister
> I vote for giving the boy friend a blow job...
> JeffG
>
> Val hang in there...it's gonna get better..
> The booster will help but it seems to set you back a bit in terms of
> progress...but they really do help, it just takes a day or so to reap the
> benefit, or it did for me.
> On Nov 6, 2013 6:39 PM, "Sister" <sistereboga at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Babe, don't feed into it.  Do anything.  Go masterbate, give bf blow job
>> , clean sock drawer, play video game.  If you tell yourself your craving,
>> not do something else now to protect yourself, all for nothing.   Go to a
>> meeting, get a number, ask someone for ice cream.  Do something
>>
>> Hang in there.
>>
>> Smooth journey,
>> Sister
>>
>> On Nov 6, 2013, at 8:39 PM, Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I am really struggling right now, I don't know how to be myself, without
>> opiots.  I took a booster but  it seems like it made my depression worse!
>> I thought if I do Ibogaine it helps with cravings. I don't know.
>> I'm upset at myself for feeling this way. I thought once I am opiot free
>> I will never even think about pills, but I would sell my soul for a few
>> Norco right now .
>> After all this.....
>> FUCK! This is Bullshit! I hate this feeling!
>> I HATE being an addict.
>> I have not relapsed, but I searched my room looking for a subutex I just
>> couldn't find any.
>> Why would I relapse on Sub? I hate Sub!
>> I can't stand being in my skin!
>>
>> Thanks for letting me vent.
>> Lotsof Love, Val
>> On Nov 6, 2013 9:39 AM, "Mi Go" <migoletto75 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> hey Sergey,
>>>
>>> your true, humans are the most bad beasts in this world or atleast most
>>> of them, im confrontated in asia very much with poornes, people have
>>> nothing, on my last trip i went to cambodia (siem Reap) for 2 months and i
>>> worked at a place where i cooked 4 times a week volontuary for kids on the
>>> street, or kids without parents (orphanage i think is the name), when i
>>> went first day there, i had something like a nerve break down,
>>>
>>> i had to go outside that building, started a cigarette, the tears ran
>>> down my face, i trembled hard, couldnt speak anything, seeing those people
>>> suffering or dying from hunger (knowing at the same time how much food get
>>> thrown in the garbage in the western world), really made me thinking much,
>>> how wrong our worldwide system is running, and those children and people
>>> there was soooo thankfull, no one can imagine, i still get shivers writing
>>> that here!!!
>>>
>>> i will leave to Delhi on start of december, then i will go Nepal, after
>>> north thailand (chiang Mai, Pai) and in the end hopefully the philippines
>>> again (most beautiful place iv been so far, last year i was for 8 months
>>> arround, i came back that july, this time i just bought a one way tickett,
>>> to be honest i dont know when i will return to europe,
>>>
>>> im a person which doesnt need marterial things to be happy ( i had all
>>> of them, anyway i put a spike into my vain!!!), if i have a bed, something
>>> to eat, drink, and a bit to smoke, im the happiest person in life, maybe
>>> some of you may think how to do it in asia, with all the stuff arround
>>> there after beeing addicted long,
>>>
>>> 1. i dont need to leave to asia for taking drugs, my gouvernment is
>>> giving me for free here, if id like to, (i could choose from atleast 8
>>> different opiates, most time saos, subutex or methadone)
>>> 2. i know well in which conditions iv been when i was addicted and it
>>> was more than hell on earth for me, as for everyone
>>> 3. LIFE IS BEAUTIFULL WHEN SOBER, WITH ALL DIFFICULTIES YOU HAVE TO
>>> CONFRONT!!!
>>>
>>> a thing which helped me much all the time was to understand that each
>>> negative situation in my life, has also its positive, its just hard to
>>> understand when your in the shit and full neagative, but its like that,
>>> often we need just a bit of patience (a thing which addicted people dont
>>> have at all that hehe)
>>>
>>> Segey talking from DMT, (iv seen on another thread), i dont wanna tell
>>> anyone to mix substances or anything, i just wanna talk from my own
>>> personal experience, on the 3rd day of my ibogaine treatment (100% HCL) i
>>> took ayahuasca, well with my own words, its was the most beautiful,
>>> peaceful, and harmonic thing i ever felt and wittnessed, ( i personally
>>> thought always, there wont be another substance more strong than opiates to
>>> me!!!) for me personal, ibogaine and ayahuasca are both substances you
>>> should take out of a good reason, that arent medicines you want to take
>>> everyday, you take em for going further if your hooked somehow or if you
>>> want to know something deep inside of you,or getting rid of addiction
>>>
>>> for me ibogaine and ayuha really working on that parts in your soul, you
>>> cant come close by yourself, because those things are sooo deeply hidden,
>>> if anyone is interested i can write my visions and things i went through,
>>> and again i dont wanna tell here anyone to mix randomly substances, i did a
>>> lot of preparation before my treatments, psychological, as physically and
>>> had people arround me which knew what they where doing
>>>
>>> Blesses, Migo
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/11/4 Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> Mi Go,
>>>>
>>>> I've been to Bavaria for 3 and a half LOOONG years, all "im knast"….
>>>> I'll never forget.
>>>>
>>>> You're right, there's nothing more thrilling, to me at least, then
>>>> travel our beautiful planet earth, see other continents, cultures.
>>>> The only minus is that it's heart-breaking more often then not to see
>>>> all the injustice and abuse done in third world countries, to humans AND to
>>>> nature.
>>>>
>>>> I've seen this documentary about Chinese fisherman on a big boat
>>>> catching small sharks.
>>>> They catch them by the thousands and all they do IS CUT OF THEIR
>>>> FINS,-so the gourmet rat-bastards can have their "shark-fin soup,- and
>>>> THROW THE FINLESS BLEEDING SHARK BACK INTO THE OCEAN.
>>>> LIKE THAT ALL DAY LONG, EVERY DAY, EVERY WEEK, EVERY MONTH…..
>>>> I got such rage building up when I talk about it.
>>>> I would gladly blast that boat the fuck into pieces with some russian
>>>> rocket launcher, but I know it will NOT solve the problem…
>>>> And examples like that are in the thousands.
>>>>
>>>> But, the good part is that the earth, GAIA, will regulate that shit.
>>>> The more you fuck things up, the more you disrupt the balance and
>>>> THERE'S A PRICE TO PAY.
>>>> Tsunamis, earthquakes, solar storms, holes in the ozone layer, etc,
>>>> etc….
>>>> There's a self-regulating process on earth, and those who live by
>>>> "after us the deluge" will hopefully pay in this lifetime.
>>>>
>>>> But enough with the sad shit.
>>>> Where are you going to Asia?
>>>> How long, what's the plan?
>>>> Lmk, I'm also a huge fan of traveling.
>>>>
>>>> Wish you well
>>>>
>>>> Sergey
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Mi Go <migoletto75 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> no worries Sergey,
>>>>>
>>>>> i didnt write that in anyway to affend you, you are right it is the
>>>>> most conservative state in germany, i mean i know a lot bavarians, but i
>>>>> never heard from draconian punishments like that, what doesnt mean that i
>>>>> dont believe you, when you witnessed it!
>>>>>
>>>>> its in austria the same, if someone tells to the police you have sold
>>>>> them a certain amount over a time, they do a count and depends on the
>>>>> circumstances you go into jail (Untersuchungshaft) immediatlybut in most
>>>>> cases not for a long time, anyway each minute is too long, i was lucky i
>>>>> never made that experience, thx to god,
>>>>>
>>>>> as for the language thing i would describe it like that hehe, each
>>>>> village in austria has a certain different dialect or slang, if i talk
>>>>> fully slang, western part austrians cant understand me hehe, neither
>>>>> germans or bavarians hehe, its amazing, next village is 2 km far from mine
>>>>> and people there pronounce the words completely different,
>>>>>
>>>>> im sorry again i think i got to deep into the "Hitler was austrian"
>>>>> thing, cause i cant hear it anymore, especially for having had quiet a lot
>>>>> of problems with nazis or racists, call em however you like!
>>>>>
>>>>> How long ago is that back you was in bavaria, Sergey?, We have a own
>>>>> task force in austria and its in germany as well, its called
>>>>> verfassungsschutz and it observes the right corners, they got all liberty
>>>>> to do what they want
>>>>>
>>>>> In the end addiction is a horrible illnes and is recognized as that,
>>>>> but it doesnt get treated as a illness and thats sad in the year 2013, in
>>>>> my opinion, and jail is never a solution, its different, it just harms you
>>>>> more and it gets worse.......
>>>>>
>>>>> Have a nice evening and sorry for calling you an american hehehe, im
>>>>> sooo happy to leave from europe soon to asia, you cant imagine, travelling
>>>>> is my drug since im clean and its amazing!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Migo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2013/10/28 Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mi go,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A few corrections:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) I AM RUSSIAN, so my ancestors did not nuke hiroshima neither did
>>>>>> they engage in Vietnam war. Those are americans you meant…
>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) Bayerische and Austrian accents are VERY similar, at least they
>>>>>> are two MOST close accents if you compare to any other ones, like Schweize
>>>>>> or Hoch-Deutch…
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3) *They DO hand out incredible sentences in Bavaria. *
>>>>>> *I PERSONALLY SAW AT LEAST 50 people doing 5 years and more for VERY
>>>>>> SMALL QUANTITIES OF HEROIN. Of course, the charge was not ONLY possession,
>>>>>> but also "INTENT TO SELL", although there's a big catch...*
>>>>>> One particular guy, with whom I was a neighbour was doing 10 years
>>>>>> for half a gram…
>>>>>> What's astonishing, is that the police only need "Auszeige", meaning
>>>>>> a testimonial from a witness to charge you.
>>>>>> MEANING THAT IF YOU BUY HEROIN FROM ME AND DECIDE TO "RAT" ME OUT,
>>>>>> ALL YOU HAVE TO SAY IS "I WAS BUYING A  GRAM A DAY FOR THE LAST YEAR FROM
>>>>>> SERGEY"
>>>>>> *THE POLICE THEN CHARGES ME FOR "SELLING" 365 GRAMS OF HEROIN, SAME
>>>>>> AS IF THEY CAUGHT ME WITH IT!!!*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And believe me, I could NEVER ON EARTH believe that such practices
>>>>>> are possible in a civilized part of WESTERN EUROPE, until I
>>>>>> *PERSONALLY* *met dozens, even hundreds of people with similar
>>>>>> stories. I EVEN READ THEIR OFFICIAL COURT PAPERS.*
>>>>>>  I changed 6 jails in Bavaria during my 3/half year sentence and I
>>>>>> learned German to a very descent level….
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I could tell you incredible stories that I PERSONALLY WITNESSED.
>>>>>> *A guy riding a bicycle drunk gets 8 month. A BICYCLE!!! NO VICTIMS!*
>>>>>> *A guy riding a train without a ticket: 3 months*
>>>>>> *A guy punching another guy in the nose: 3 years.*
>>>>>> *I SAW THEIR PAPERS.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, that Bavaria state is the worst conservative, cold, snob,
>>>>>> robotized,soulless pieces of shit people I ever met.
>>>>>> And I usually never judge a WHOLE NATION, only individuals.
>>>>>> But there is something about the Bavarian mentality that is simply
>>>>>> too utterly disgusting to me…
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So that's my personal experience, I am sure many people would
>>>>>> disagree.
>>>>>> The sentences are still a fact.
>>>>>> *Btw, how do you like the following: I PERSONALLY GOT 3 MONTHS ADDED
>>>>>> TO MY SENTENCE FOR TELLING A GUARD THAT "THE WAR IS OVER AND ITS NOT A
>>>>>> CONCENTRATION CAMP" (he was mistreating a fellow inmate)???*
>>>>>> The judge started the hearing by saying "this is not Ukraine here and
>>>>>> you will behave!!!"
>>>>>> ???!!!
>>>>>> I had witnesses from other inmates that would confirm that the guard
>>>>>> invented most of what I allegedly said, and I already did 3 weeks in the
>>>>>> "hole" prior to finding out that I will have a court case as well. There's
>>>>>> a law in Germany that forbids any reference to the "3rd Riech"…
>>>>>> *How do you like 2 guys going to court from jail to get extra time
>>>>>> for "not having payed taxes on alcohol production"???*
>>>>>> *They were making home wine in jail and got caught. After doing 4
>>>>>> weeks in the "hole", they went to court*….
>>>>>>  How do you like the jail administration falsifying my urine test
>>>>>> just because they were sure I used? They put THC and HEROIN in there, while
>>>>>> I used Subatex (buprenorphine doesn't show as as heroin, never on earth)
>>>>>> and I did NOT smoke pot, never in jail (it shows in urine up to two month,
>>>>>> which is way too stressful…)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :(
>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wish you well
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sergey
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Mi Go <migoletto75 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Sergey,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  they dont have the same accent as austrians fyi, sorry, and what
>>>>>>> does it matter on that with Hitler was austrian???!!! im austrian and
>>>>>>> hitler was an idiot,  no doubt, wow i dont know how long we have to still
>>>>>>> pay for that (there where dictators even more worse than hitler, which i
>>>>>>> dont mean as an excuse dont get me wrong on that pls, i could aslo say wow,
>>>>>>> your ancients robbed the land of indians off, nuking bombs in hiroshima and
>>>>>>> nagasaki, the vietnam war, afghanistan etc. etc. but its past and no one
>>>>>>> can do anything against. We are all together just puppets, the strings do
>>>>>>> others pull  and btw there are way more nazis in the us than in germany and
>>>>>>> austria together, dont get me wrong, when i was teenager we kicked nazis in
>>>>>>> the nuts every weekend, im just simple tired hearing always about nazis,
>>>>>>> hitler etc. etc. on a list where people should get help for theyr addiction,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but yes you picked out the worst region in germany, thats for sure,
>>>>>>> nothing to say about that hehe,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i dont know when you lived there, but you dont go to jail for 10
>>>>>>> years of possesing a half g, there is a thing we call substitution, where
>>>>>>> they put you from Heroin (which is in my opinion the  opiate which could be
>>>>>>> cured best) but the pharmalobbys have to live too, you know,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i really got addicted hard when i went to substitution, we got here
>>>>>>> about 6 to 10 different saos to choose (Substitol, Mundidol, Vendal,
>>>>>>> Compensan, Codidol, Subutex and last but not least Methadon, if i would go
>>>>>>> now to my doctor, in about half an hour i would have a recipt in my hands
>>>>>>> for the dose of 1 months morphium). Main problem is that those morphine
>>>>>>> retardines should be swallowed, but you also can cook them up and fix it,
>>>>>>> there is wax and i dont know what ingredients in, which are for sure not
>>>>>>> healthy to fix them, my last years before getting clean i was on a daily
>>>>>>> dose of 1600mg Morphium i.v.  the only opiate i could tapper down with was
>>>>>>> methadone, i went down from a dose from 155mg monthly 5 mg, the withdrawl
>>>>>>> was really not that hard,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i went after to switzerland to do the Neuro Jet methode, its a thing
>>>>>>> where small electric vibes stimulates your body own endorphines up to 100%,
>>>>>>> after having hanging that thing on my, my withdrawlsymptoms felt down to
>>>>>>> lets say 10%, it was amazing, i slept everyday 9 hours, but it wasnt a
>>>>>>> tiredness comfortable, i felt really confused,i went there on mondy and
>>>>>>> left the center at friday, the amazing thing was when the endorphine
>>>>>>> morphines went down, the dopamine raised, i had a feeling like on coke, but
>>>>>>> way more intense and stronger,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for me that is a methode to get rid of your bodywithdrawls, but it
>>>>>>> doesnt do any work on the brain, so at the end you maybe have still
>>>>>>> restless legs for a few days, but the major problem which is the psych,
>>>>>>> didnt get solved, i struggled for 4 years, clean, but full of depressions
>>>>>>> and anxiety, Ibogain is so far the best medicine (or better said a godgiven
>>>>>>> tool) to get rid of any addictions and going on with a normal life on a
>>>>>>> normal base,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have a nice day Sergey, i didnt write anything to harm you!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2013/10/25 Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nyc, Jim....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> there are conservatives in Holland that make US look like hippies?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wonder how they co-exist with legal drugs and prostitution, as
>>>>>>>> well as the biggest port in Europe,-Rotterdam,- through which most legal
>>>>>>>> and illegal stuff comes through...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Those fuckers are everywhere, but Texas AND BAVARIA, IN GERMANY.
>>>>>>>> BAVARIA!!!
>>>>>>>> I did 3 and a half years inside in that province...
>>>>>>>> They have the same accent as the Austrians, where Hitler is from.
>>>>>>>> They make BMW, as well as.... ah! a quote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "...The motorcycle <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle> and
>>>>>>>> automobile <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile> makers BMW<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW>
>>>>>>>>  (*Bayerische Motoren-Werke*, or Bavarian Motor Works) and Audi,
>>>>>>>> Allianz, Grundig <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grundig> (consumer
>>>>>>>> electronics), Siemens (electricity, telephones, informatics,
>>>>>>>> medical instruments), Continental<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_AG> (Automotive
>>>>>>>> Tire and Electronics), Adidas, Puma<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puma_AG>
>>>>>>>> , HypoVereinsbank (UniCredit Group), Infineon and Krauss-Maffei
>>>>>>>> Wegmann <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krauss-Maffei> have (or had)
>>>>>>>> a Bavarian industrial base..."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I saw hundreds of people in jail...
>>>>>>>> 3 months for riding a train without a ticket
>>>>>>>> 10 years for half a gram of heroin (first offence)
>>>>>>>> 8 months for riding A BIKE WHILE BEING UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF
>>>>>>>> ALCOHOL (drunk)
>>>>>>>> 2 and a half years for punching a guy in the nose.
>>>>>>>> Etc, etc, etc... These are the most notable that I remember.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I hate these fuckers! Texas should be their "brother-state". I'm
>>>>>>>> sure it is.
>>>>>>>> I HATE BAVARIA. I HATE MUNICH. I HATE SOUTHERN GERMANY.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All that while I usually NEVER judge a nation, only individuals.
>>>>>>>> ONLY INDIVIDUALS. But in case of Bavaria I make an exception.
>>>>>>>> These rat-bastards are robots...
>>>>>>>> Btw, I got 3'n'half years for a credit card fraud. In Canada I
>>>>>>>> would get probation, or a couple months...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway, those times are over, just sharing thoughts with people
>>>>>>>> here...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sergey
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 5:32 AM, Nyc Labretš <
>>>>>>>> digitalcomponents at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This time last year I took on a caretaking job looking after a
>>>>>>>>> bull terrier dog for a fellow writer, who writes about the same subject I
>>>>>>>>> do on establishing National basic income and accelerating technology as it
>>>>>>>>> relates to the automated workplace, who travels to conferences and who also
>>>>>>>>> picked up a ghostwriting job while I was there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This was in the Netherlands in a town called Voorburg just outside
>>>>>>>>> of the legislative capital of the Netherlands which we all know as The
>>>>>>>>> Hague, or Den Haag.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Very, very conservative place, it makes Washington DC look like a
>>>>>>>>> hippie commune.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know this because I have an aunt on my mothers side who
>>>>>>>>> coincidentally enough lived all of 3 klicks away from dudes flat, pretty
>>>>>>>>> much walking\biking distance, and who I have I have been visiting for
>>>>>>>>> almost the last 50 years.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What I did not know when I took on the job is that dude was on
>>>>>>>>> Dutch social welfare which covered his rent for the last 20 years, gave him
>>>>>>>>> the Dutch version of food stamps which worked out to approximately €50 a
>>>>>>>>> week, a bit more than what we Americans get, free gym membership, free high
>>>>>>>>> speed broadband Internet with speeds that were just under 100 Mbps and
>>>>>>>>> about €200 worth of pocket money a month.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Pretty sweet deal all around for him.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nice work if you can get it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Sergey Sibirian <
>>>>>>>>> sibirianfox at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Never on earth.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Unless they eat in a free shelter kind of place, and have a
>>>>>>>>>> homeless life-style...
>>>>>>>>>> I may be exaggerating a bit, but a 1000$ in western Europe is
>>>>>>>>>> equivalent to
>>>>>>>>>> 600-700$ in US.
>>>>>>>>>> Try paying rent, eating and putting clothes on for that sum.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Any country that joined the EU has seen inflation/escalation to
>>>>>>>>>> match the rest of EU. After all, there's no border and distances are small,
>>>>>>>>>> so if life is 5 times cheaper in Slovenia (example) which is couple hours
>>>>>>>>>> from "Schwarzeneger"s Graz (Austria), everyone would just shop there.
>>>>>>>>>> Which is not the case.
>>>>>>>>>> Prices vary a little bit, but overall, EU is a single entity.
>>>>>>>>>> Federally and economically.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1000$...
>>>>>>>>>> You won't starve, but I'm not sure if that can be called Life.
>>>>>>>>>> With a capital.
>>>>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My opinion. All rights reserved!
>>>>>>>>>> :')
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sergey
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Jim Hadey3 <jimhadey3 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Sergey,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Could a person live in one of the countries like Holland on
>>>>>>>>>>> $1000 per month.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> - JIM
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 2:44 AM, Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow NYC, that is awesome that you are able to help people this
>>>>>>>>>>>> way.
>>>>>>>>>>>> <3 Val
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2013 11:18 PM, "Nyc Labretš" <
>>>>>>>>>>>> digitalcomponents at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Sergey Sibirian <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sibirianfox at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ......
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seriously, in my opinion, I don't see how a guy in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yougoslavia can physically be of assistance to an addict in USA (I hope I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have the geographic right)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For starters ibogaine is a schedule one drug and illegal in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> United States which is why there are no treatment facilities here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> More than one underground provider and their clients have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> risked arrest doing treatments in the US.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't personally experienced it but I am sure that being
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in prison sober is probably not a lot of fun for anybody.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So there is that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Planned in advance round-trip transportation from the east
>>>>>>>>>>>>> coast of the US to Maribor, Slovenia, which is one town over from Arnold
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Schwarzenegger's hometown of Graz Austria, can be arranged for under
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thousand dollars.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now once one of Marko's clients/initiates get there Marko has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a separate apartment for him to administer treatments. I was kind of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new to photography and time so my photos aren't all that great but here is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a batch that I just uploaded that will give you a sense of it:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://flic.kr/s/aHsjLaLudk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As you can see it is not a palace.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, that said, it is a clean, and secure location where a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> person can stay for a few days for the before, during and after, which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> generally at a minimal a three-day process but ideally is closer to a week
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so the initiate can decompress.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My experience with ibogaine is that it is very physically
>>>>>>>>>>>>> taxing in a person really needs at least a day or two after to collect
>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves and get their bearings as they start their new life.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For what it is it is perfect and I don't see how it can be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> improved on, Marko did an awesome job of putting this together.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Local food is very reasonably priced both in the markets and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the restaurants and there is more than one decent cafés with Internet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> access within walking distance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also almost everybody speaks English so language barrier
>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues aren't as severe there as they are elsewhere in Europe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now as far as what the treatment itself will actually cost you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is a conversation that a potential client/initiate needs to discuss
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Marko directly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My understanding is that he is one of the more reasonable
>>>>>>>>>>>>> treatment providers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Also, saying "Yougoslavia became Slovenia" is like saying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "USSR became Ukraine"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yougoslavia became the following countries: Bosnia and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herzegovina<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnia_and_Herzegovina>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> , Croatia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatia>, Kosovo<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Kosovo>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> , Macedonia<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_(country)>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> , Montenegro <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montenegro>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Serbia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbia>, Slovenia<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovenia>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Each one a separate legal entity as well as ethnicity in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most cases...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Umm, thank you, for the history lesson.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am half Yugoslavian and am also entitled to Slovenian
>>>>>>>>>>>>> citizenship along with my German and American citizenship, but since I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> already have my US and German passports I haven't pursued.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been traveling back and forth to Yugoslavia's since the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> year 1964 to stay and visit with my grandparents, did that every other
>>>>>>>>>>>>> year, for 20 years, until I started college in 1984.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So to me it will always be Yugoslavia.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And then, how would a guy who's still in the rat-race of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> addiction travel to another side of our planet to seek help from somebody
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who was recommended by another "somebody" on the web?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not just "somebody" on the web, thank you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My affiliation with the Yippies, who I am in almost daily
>>>>>>>>>>>>> contact on Facebook, with goes back to May of 1979, when unbeknownst to my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> oblivious 15 year old runaway self they were just beginning to do the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pioneering work on ibogaine with Howard Lotsof, who, though I sadly never
>>>>>>>>>>>>> got to meet him, I grew up less than a mile from in Staten Island.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My last mailing address in the US before I moved to Europe in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2009 was three houses down from where Howard was living at the time on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oxford Place before he passed away.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Feel free to ask Aron Kay about me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And this is in NO WAY to diminish what this Marco Resinovic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is doing or has or will accomplish.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just common sense from a guy who himself is in the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position, looking for a transformation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My 5cent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergey
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Glad to have helped cleared all this up for you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Matt S. <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ibogamail at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Hey NYC, I figured you had dropped off the list your own
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> self.  What happened to Germany?  If I had escaped to expat status I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't come back.  I'm surprised you did.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/19/2013 10:06 PM, Nyc Labretš wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kristy,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  My name is Nyc, nice to meet you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know a guy named Marko who lives in my father's hometown
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Maribor, Yugoslavia, who I have personally met in November 2008 when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was traveling there with my mother, who has done hundreds of successful
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> treatments, who has a stellar reputation in our Ibogaine community.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  This is the Wikipedia entry on what Marko has been doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacrament_of_Transition
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Also I would suggest getting in touch with the guy who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs this list, Patrick Kroupa, and ask him to vouch for Marko as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Marko has dropped off of the list in recent years but he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is still very much active and you seem to me to be a classical textbook
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case of a ideal candidate if there ever was one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  If everything is planned out in advance, i.e. booking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tickets and setting up a travel itinerary, it's pretty cheap to get to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maribor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  You need to plan for at least a week in Yugoslavia, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is called Slovenia today, Marko has a separate apartment set up for people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to stay in which helps to keep costs low, .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  If you have not done so already your very first step is to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a hold of your US passport, the cost for that is roughly $100.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  There are a lot more details to cover and it would be best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if you would call me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I live in Washington DC and I can be reached at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 202-696-8313.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I currently have a whole host of obligations and I will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not be free to travel until early next year but when that time comes I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planning on going back to Yugoslavia anyway to visit with some of my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> father's family and if you're up for I can at least get you there and make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the proper introductions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Kindest regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Nyc Labretš
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Kristy Heddinger <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kristy1176 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been following this site for months now and I feel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like you need to be a chemist to understand it, but what I really want is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> help I'm on 80 milligrams of methadone I've been on it for 4 years now I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terrified to go through withdrawal I've been a heroin and cocaine addict
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for about 16 years now I'm 36 years old I live in Maryland and I don't have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $10,000 cash 2 hand over to one of these clinics in a foreign country that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know if they can even be trusted is there any way you can give me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information in layman's terms or somewhere I can go in the US where someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can help me do this the ibogaine detox. It seems like you are very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledgeable and kind and I just want a chance to start my life chemical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free. I just feel trapped with no way or help to do it. I do have a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thousand dollars,  but I'm terrified to go to some country where I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know anyone with all that cash on me please give me guidance or help. Thank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.  Kristy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nyc Labretš, HMFIC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Digital Komponents Produktions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DC Büro 202-696-8313
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NYC Büro: 1-917-720-4276
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>>>>>>>>> Digital Komponents Produktions
>>>>>>>>> DC Büro 202-696-8313
>>>>>>>>> NYC Büro: 1-917-720-4276
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