[Ibogaine] Any tips on finding a good post-ibo counselor in MA/NH?

Dan McDonald mutex77 at yahoo.com
Tue Mar 12 13:05:45 EDT 2013

Thank you so much for all that info! And if you wouldnt mind sending me the contact info i'd really appreciate it. I didnt even think about skype sessions! That could work really well for me, I work in IT and have some weird hours. 

I definitely want a psychologist and not a psychiatrist. I think I can make alot of progress by having someone guide me through things, and I dont want to be taking drugs of any kind every day if at all possible. 

I was wondering what CBT was, I saw that thrown around alot when googling councelors.  Ive been in treatment in one form or another since the late 90s and CBT works very well for me, I just didnt know what it was called;. Ive never had a counselor that even knew what ibogaine was. They all seem to think its the same as those "rapid detox" naltrexone horror story things, And when I tell them what it really is its met with doubt and even ridicule. Im used to it. 

Im open to trying transendental psychotherapy as well so ill look around for it, but I dont know if I'll be able to find it. 

Again thank you for the info!

--- On Tue, 3/12/13, fallen eden <falleneden1 at gmail.com> wrote:

From: fallen eden <falleneden1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Any tips on finding a good post-ibo counselor in MA/NH?
To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 12, 2013, 9:26 AM

I can help you out; my bachelors in is psychology and I was confused at first like you after treatment finding someone for me. Since you're not the NA type, I highly suggest you learn about the different "schools of thought" in psychology. Also, it's very important to understand the major difference between a PSYCHOLOGIST and PSYCHIATRIST. You ought to start off with a psychologist- if necessary, a good psychologist may refer you to a psychiatrist. Psychologists go through four years training in a bachelors of psychology, then two more years in either a Master's degree, or jump straight to two years with a Ph.D and a subsequent "residency" like in medical school where they are overseen by an already licensed psychologist, but see patients alone like a normal practitioner. Some psychologists obtain all three degrees, though the master's degree is essentially irrelevant if the practitioner has their research degree (Ph.D.) Before people argue with me over
 that, I was repeatedly told by professors to skip a Master's and go straight to my Ph.D. Any licensed psychologist must, however, possess at least a Master's degree in order to practice.

Psychiatrists, on the other hand, are MEDICAL DOCTORS who spent only about one year specializing in psychology at the end of their standard medical schooling. This means psychiatrists know comparatively little about therapy (in my experience, they know nearly nothing) and instead treat problems like your family doctor would by prescribing multiple medications. Psychiatrists have one, maybe two years max study in psychology while psychologists have studied psychology for anywhere from 6-8 years- Don't be fooled into thinking psychiatrists are "better" because of all the fancy degrees on their wall.

Psychologist or therapist?

Yes, these are also different types of practitioners. Therapists don't require as much training as psychologists, so I strongly recommend a licensed psychologist.
Now, to what you really need to know- the most common "schools" of psychology. In general, we tend to meet two "types" of psychologists. These are Freudian and Cognitive Behavioral psychologists mostly, though I believe Transcendental psychology is gaining ground. Freudians are your typical lie-down-on-couch types that rarely talk back to you much or offer feedback, and often say, "Go on.." and "I see." Or, "Tell me about your childhood." And, "How did that make you feel?" without offering you advice- you might as well talk to a wall with most of them frankly. (Keep in mind that this school of thought believes you would have liked to kill your mother to have sex with your father, or vice versa.. Hmmm...) They tend to avoid at all costs telling you what they think your problems are as well, which I find ridiculous. This form of therapy does not emphasize fast results and you become "chained" to the therapy so to speak. I personally think it's like paying
 to speak to the wall.

A newer system, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, emphasises quick results- Find your problem, attack it, and send you off on your way compared to other forms of therapy that would have you going there for decades without much improvement. One drawback, however, is that CBT therapists tend to be very grounded and scientific, and may or may not find the idea of ibogaine appealing unless you showed up with a stack of research studies in your hand. This form of therapy uses hands-on methods like meditation, yoga, progressive muscle relaxation, biofeedback, desensitization therapy, and frequent "homework" for you to complete in between sessions to help both you and the therapist assess how your therapy is going and what direction to take next to help you as quickly as possible.

Transcendental psychology is far more open to the use of healing plants, meditation, yoga, hypnosis, spirituality, etc. Stanislov Grof is a famous transcendental author. One major drawback, however, is that it can be difficult to find these kinds of practitioners.

I happen to know two ibogaine-friendly psychologists near my area, and one conducts Skype sessions! She is an interesting mix of multiple schools of thought and very "out of the box" in her methods. I can give you her contact info and you could try a video Skype session via your computer or phone and see if perhaps she is a good match. Both people have seen Rite of Passage and were genuinely impressed, though I think only one conducts Skype sessions- She gravitates more towards the Transcendental spectrum however and could be worth a shot. I'd suggest contacting her before your treatment so that she can see the change pre and post treatment, and also already knows you and your background. I'll send her general info to you as well as let her know that someone on the east coast may be in need of Skype sessions. She also works internationally, so she might have someone in mind for you in your area as well! I'll let you know, good luck!

And uh.. How come nobody else tried to offer advice here? Post ibo counseling is crucial; are you all asleep? Uh sorry it just feels that way much of the time..

On Mar 11, 2013 10:29 AM, "Dan McDonald" <mutex77 at yahoo.com> wrote:


> Ive been planning on taking ibogaine for the 2nd time (1st time was 3 or 4 years ago, and bad things were going on in my life so sobriety didnt last long) but I really want to have a good councilor in place before I do it. I have insurance.


> Ive seen some great councilors, some ok, and some that gave advice that was just really really bad. I know it may take going to a few till I find one that clicks, but i'd like to eliminate the really bad ones at least.


> Any tips on finding one other than randomly choosing a name from a list? Perhaps a website that has reviews for them? Someone knows of someone they'd recommend (or someone to avoid!) in Northern MA/Southern NH?


> Before someone suggests just going to AA/NA meetings, not my thing really. I get infinitely more out of individual counseling.


> Thanks!


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