[Ibogaine] Affordable Ibogaine Treatment Help,answer to Jim,
sara119 at xs4all.nl
Mon Jul 29 10:37:43 CDT 2013
>"Okay, so, you're
> treating people without requiring any medical tests whatsoever, you have no idea what their pre-existing medical
> conditions happen to be, except for what the patient is already aware of and has chosen to disclose... and then you're
> whacking them with megadoses of ibogaine, ibogaine extract, some flowers you found growing in your garden because
> they're pretty and blue, and you happen to like the color blue, and after all of this, you're also dumping 15 other
> psychoactive plants into the mix. Do you have any idea whatsoever what the pharmacokinetics of that huge tangled-up
> <SplaT> happen to be? Basically, what you're doing here, is Completely Fucking Crazy, and trying to unravel what all
> of this shit does to the body and brain, is making my head hurt."
My understanding is proven to be true, I have seen the improvement in People lives, which is not so crazy after all.
It is normal here, on this list, that some arrogant person who has no idea at all what I do, will try to discredit me.
anyway, after 14 years other people came up with this, so when there are more people thinking the same, that becomes
acceptable and not call crazy at all, the person who wrote that comment is Completely Fucking crazy himself I hope his
heart will hurt long enough until publicly apology. beside I have never force anyone to come to me to take anything or
to believe in what I do or how I do it.Most of the people who come here,have seen others who have been with me and got
New studies show that psilocybin removes the trauma and fear from memories in the minds of mice, and even stimulates
the growth of a significant amount of new brain cells.
Studies from The University of South Florida indicate that psilocin (or psilocybin, which metabolizes into psilocin),
found in shrooms, triggers new brain cell growth, and erases frightening memories from mice. Mice trained to fear
electric shock when hearing a noise associated with the shock, stopped reacting in fear to the noise when given a
small dose of psilocybin, much more quickly, in contrast to mice given no psilocybin. They simply lost their fear,
exclaimed the co-author of the study, Dr. Juan Sanchez-Ramos, a professor of movement disorders.
Much more research could be done by ordinary people and professors alike, if the US government and other too powerful
governments werent at war with their own citizens over drugs. Psilocybin mushrooms, or shrooms of course, are
illegal in the United States, and illegal in other countries simply because the US and western powers bullied them
into compliance or persuaded them by some means we dont know of. Psilocybin mushrooms are a genus of mushroom, called
psilocybe. Such mushrooms that fall into this genus are Psilocybe Cubensis, or Psilocybe Bispora.
People are eager to look into the idea of using Psilocybin Mushrooms to cure PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder),
chronic depression, and a wide range of other mental and physical ailments, so we will just have to get government off
our backs to do so. These mushrooms are harmless, cannot cause overdose, cannot cause death (unless you become
frightened and hurt yourself on accident, but that is extremely rare and potentially unheard of, and is the case for
almost any psychoactive substance).
Despite its harmlessness, amazing medical potential, and ability to produce phenomenal spiritual/mystical experiences,
the gangs of government have nearly all banned Psilocybin Mushrooms. Therefore, for our prosperity, we must peacefully
resist unjust laws like this, and use miracle products of the earth such as cannabis and psilocybin mushrooms
regardless, until the laws are deemed as ridiculous as they are, and no longer enforced.
To further illustrate these studies, they showed that mice treated with low doses of psilocybin had significant growth
of new brain cells, because psilocin binds to a brain receptor that stimulates new brain cell growth, and short term
memory formation. When the people regularly participate in civil disobedience and do what they will as long as it
hurts nobody, without the tyrannical permission of the federal government, when we disobey those laws that inhibit us,
then we can find out if we can use psilocybin to replace Prozac , the mass murder pill used to treat depression that
pollutes our water and causes fish to unusually murder other fish.
The science behind psilocybin treating depression is, depressed individuals typically have over active medial
prefrontal cortex regions of the brain, and psilocybin eases this, and makes the brain function normally here.
Psilocybin, and Psilocybin mushrooms, promote emotional stability and well being, can induce profound spiritual
experiences, have been used for thousands of years medicinally, and it is now completely proven that they are
beneficial and harmless.
This can more than likely be finally an effective, non dangerous or pharmaceutical treatment for PTSD too, because it
curbs the brains traumatic association with the images, sounds, and sensory memories from a traumatic experience.
Shrooms promote health and normal brain function, despite that being the exact opposite of what mainstream news and
culture has fed you for years, because of the criminal government we are forced to put up with. Not to mention,
Psilocybin is extremely chemically close to the neurotransmitters found in our brains, like serotonin.
There's the ibogaine fatalities list that Lee Albert put together and then a lot of people quoted, the problem is he
> put it together by going on this list and asking for info, so the only info in there is what was publicly known or
> peeps volunteered. It's not too complete. I am not in the middle of the whole ibogaine 'community' and even I know
> about at least 10 more deaths over the years, nobody who has a dead body seems to be that interested in reporting it,
> wonder why ;-)
> Quoting Patric's excellent ibo history document: http://ibogaine.mindvox.com
> 'On one end of the spectrum, are extremely high-tech, results-oriented ibogaine clinics, which attempt to blend and
> fuse the best of all possible paradigms, resulting in a treatment experience which is both respectful of the spiritual
> and entheogenic nature of ibogaine, while providing an extremely all-encompassing safety-net comprised of the very
> best that medicine and science have to offer. Needless to say, this can get pretty expensive, and your insurance is
> not gonna be paying the bills.
> At the other end of the scale are people who work with ibogaine utilizing a purely shamanic paradigm. They have no
> formal medical training, quite often they are working with ibogaine extract â as opposed to the purified HCl â
> which contains all the alkaloids present within Tabernanthe iboga (of which ibogaine is merely one), and providing
> their patients with other entheogenic compounds before and after dosing, to provide a more holistic synergy.
> From a scientific and medical perspective, what they're doing can be some seriously scary shit.
> Yet... some of the most improbable success-stories, originate within exactly this paradigm. And surprisingly few
> people have dropped dead utilizing this methodology, while laying on someone's couch in Eastern Europe, or tripping in
> Gabon. On the flipside, a little over half of all known ibogaine-related fatalities on planet Earth, have occurred in
> medically-supervised ibogaine treatment clinics, under the care of MD.'s.
> What does all of this mean? Who knows. God loves idiots, crazy people, and little children. When it's Your Time to Go
> Into The Light, it's just your time <Shrug>. Or, possibly, there's a lot to be said for shamanism, which cannot be
> quantified by our present level of medical and scientific understanding.
> It also means that new ibogaine treatment clinics are opening pretty much constantly. This is another upside and
> downside, to ibogaine being a completely unregulated and unrestricted molecule in most parts of the world. Nobody
> needs to undergo any special training in order to work with ibogaine. All you really need to do in order to open an
> ibogaine clinic, is figure out where to get some ibogaine. <Presto> You're no longer just a resort hotel, new-age
> health spa, or whacky schizotypal person with an apartment/house/seKreT Lair located in TheMiddleOfFuckingNowhere,
> Planet Earth; you are now an Ibogaine Treatment Provider. Hooray!'
> From: sister <sistereboga at yahoo.com>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Affordable Ibogaine Treatment Help,answer to Jim,
> Well...I know of a few UG' gone south and the public unaware.Â I know of a few DIY that ended in death that the press
> don't cover.Â Not sure why...the last the news paper was called by the mother along with DEA.Â Nothing brought to
> the public eye on that one either.Â Not sure what's going on behind close doors though.Â Also I think you need to
> take into account the clinic see more clients.Â Law of averages come into play here.Â Most UG providers only do one
> at a time due to lack of staff and safety reasons, (most).Â
> I understand UG not coming forth to share a negative outcome.Â I wish there was a way to keep records safely, a place
> to report them too for learning purposes.Â The more we share the more we all learn.
> Hope your drama ends soon for you.Â
> On Jul 28, 2013, at 8:50 AM, "Sara Glatt" <sara119 at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> it is possible that you are right, I am not sureÂ that it is so easy to hide people.
>> Not sure that's true Sarah, I think the UG's that go south are easier too hide.
>>> On Jul 28, 2013, at 7:50 AM, "Sara Glatt" <sara119 at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>>> hi Jim,
>>>> You are right! I have helped lots more the 1000 people in many ways, to have the experience.
>>>> As soon as I get over the situation I am at right now, my setting will change,
>>>> then I will be able to help more people safely.
>>>> anyway, I wonder why most ibogaine death happened in clinics?
>>>> You know Sara you very well saved many lives.Â How many treatment have you
>>>>> done, 100, 500, 1000?Â How many would be dead now if they did not go
>>>>> through the experience?Â A lot of people do not thing like that.Â It can be
>>>>> ironic in a way, do people fly to another country to get a certain surgeon,
>>>>> well you could say people from all over the world come to you,Â If one Dr
>>>>> would start doing treatments in a country in which it is legal it would
>>>>> catch on, it would have to.
>>>>> Very Best,
>>>>> - JIM
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Sara Glatt <sara119 at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>>>>> Thanks Jim, Jeff and Sister.
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