[Ibogaine] sergey response

Valarie val.needis at gmail.com
Thu Dec 26 15:10:49 CST 2013

Actually it was a big let down. I
would have much rather had some pills.
That's why it could have gotten bad so quick, never shot up and want to
keep it that way.
# Everyone This was Pre- Ibogaine treatment.

<3 Val
On Dec 26, 2013 5:41 AM, "Jim Hadey3" <jimhadey3 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Val,
> How did you like the heroin??
>   - JIM
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Good for you Sergie!
>> I have the same concerns as Danielle, I feel you girl. One time my
>> parents locked me in my room and tried to make me kick 90mgs of Methadone
>> that I had been on for 3 years! My mom would only  give me Advil every 8
>> hrs.
>> I ended up escaping my parents house and checked myself in to the Mental
>> Hospital , where they gave me my Methadone.  Horrible experience to say the
>> least.
>> Anyways I checked back at
>> http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=86136, (This is a good read
>> for anyone considering to stop Methadone Maintenance by switching to Kratom
>> )
>> Sergie, I know you have already read it, but here it is anyways.....  The
>> woman that is documented went from 55mgs of Methadone to Kratom, to
>> Ibogaine.
>> The only thing I can tell you through my own experience is it was quite
>> easy for me to switch from Sub to Kratom, but when I started using SAOs it
>> was very hard to control myself, and I was always running out, which led me
>> to heroin for the first time.
>> I'm glad I had my treatment in place, I  smoked H for 2 days. That could
>> have gotten out of control real fast. Thank God, I had all you here to show
>> me other options besides H.
>> I am happy that you have a plan in place!
>> You are worth it!
>> I am so excited for you!
>> Lotsof Love, Val
>>  Star,
>> thank you for the kind words.
>> :D
>> Ok, I see now, about your son.
>> Wow, it must be such a relief.
>> I don't have children yet, although I dream about having identical twins.
>> But I have animals, a dog and a cat, which I really love.
>> I know it's a very pale comparison, but nevertheless, I can relate to
>> caring about someone. I have a girl that I love.
>> So 6 month of abuse and a year on Sub.
>> That's great news, NOW THAT HE'S CLEAN.
>> I mean, from what I researched and saw with my own eyes, the point of no
>> return
>> for brain chemistry starts from a year'n'half-2 years of heavy abuse.
>> But even then, somebody who abused for 5 years or someone who abused for
>> 15,
>> there's a big difference in their brain's ability to recover, I'm sure of
>> that.
>> It's the same concept for everything and anything:
>> the longer you abuse, the higher the price to pay.
>> Wish you well
>> Sergey
>> P.S Im ordering Kratom next week, see how it works and if I can jump to it
>> from 42 mls of Methadone.
>> Worst case I can get Hydromorphs, which is really WORST CASE.
>> The only difference between hydro and Heroin, is that hydro comes in a
>> pill and is sold
>> in a pharmacy, none other.
>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 7:55 PM, star ray <earthshealing at hotmail.com>wrote:
>>> Sergey, you are such a nice dude, I wish my oldest son that is 34 just
>>> had a big hunk of your kindness, oh well that's the way it goes... well
>>> Sergey,  Christian, the 29 years old was using sao's (lots) for 6 months or
>>> longer, then he went to sub, wow, he would overtake that it was crazy... I
>>> of course knew nothing then about any of this so I was pretty clueless, I
>>> think he took the sub about 8 months to a year before his first
>>> ibo treatment so it wasn't a really long time, i think he was clean about a
>>> year and relapsed for about 4 months on sub ... so he really did not have a
>>> long history. of abuse.  He researched ibogaine to death and was excited to
>>> do it, of course until he actually did it, he had a pertty hard time with
>>> it, it wasn't any picnic for sure....now, after thinking about it longer,
>>> these people that go to a treatment center probably have to get in and out
>>> of there in about 5 days so to make sure they are all healed it makes sense
>>> to be off sub 3 months... plus depending on how long they were on sub would
>>> make a difference.  It would be nice if there was some chart time of use of
>>> sub and time to be off sao's for ibo treatemnt................ but maybe i
>>> dont know what i am talking about  hahaha
>>> It would be nice for sister to respond to this..... girlfriend????
>>> Well Serge, i can't wait til you do your treatment, you are certainly
>>> preparing yourself for it, great researching!!
>>> Happy Holidays to you!!  xoxo  Star
>>> Star,
>>> Hey Star!
>>> Wish you the best this time of year, happy holidays to you and people
>>> close
>>> to you.
>>> What you say about HCL VS TA/PA is pretty much the conclusion I came to.
>>> That Ibogaine/HCL is the real addiction interrupter, kind of does all the
>>> "body/brain work" in that sphere, seems very likely from everything I
>>> researched and heard.
>>> And TA/PA has all the other Iboga alkaloids that give a person more
>>> spiritually.
>>> Makes sense since the original Iboga plant is NOT only Ibogaine.
>>> Bwiti do root bark and they are the original shamans of Ibo plant.
>>> Now concerning the switch to SAO's and the waiting time prior to flood?.
>>> > From what I understand, THE LONGER one is on long-life opioids such as
>>> Sub or Methadone, the longer the switch.
>>> Makes sense as well.
>>> Long life opioids rob the brain of it's ability to adapt and steal it's
>>> reference point
>>> in regards to normal endorphine functioning.
>>> With SAO's the brain re-adapts to being "sick", so rediscovers it's
>>> reference point.
>>> I weigh in my age VS time of abuse, which is 32 to 15?.
>>> Well, I guess I'm still young, but then I've abused drugs for half my
>>> life.
>>> I think I'll go with a month and a half?.
>>> Seems reasonable.
>>> I think 3 months should be for the worst case scenario.
>>> I hope I calculate it right.
>>> If I might ask, what's your son's ratio for "age VS abuse" time?
>>> 2 weeks seems way too fast.
>>> I mean, the Subs WD, the pure physical ones, I'm not even mentioning
>>> PAWS,
>>> last like a month and a half at the very least. That's how long it takes
>>> the brain to re-adapt half-way?
>>> So I think the minimum for long-life ops should be at the very least a
>>> month.
>>> But, like you said, what do I know?
>>> :D
>>> I haven't even done my own flood yet.
>>> All I do is research and gather in vivo experiences and opinions of those
>>> who have
>>> a similar life-story.
>>> It's pretty useful though.
>>> Ok Star, I'll talk to you soon.
>>> Wish you well
>>> Sergey
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>> *Wish you well*
>> Sergey
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