[Ibogaine] sergey response

Annette Dilucchio dilucch at gmail.com
Sat Dec 21 02:47:18 CST 2013


Ummm. Duh.  The "(:" was what I was using of yours friend. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 20, 2013, at 7:20 PM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com> wrote:

Annette,

@ is actually Danielle's thing, if I remember correctly…

I just have the trivial "your name,…" approach, plus the signature…
Routine, you know.

:)
Sergey


> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Annette Dilucchio <dilucch at gmail.com> wrote:
> @jeff as Sergey would say :) 
> 
> Annette
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 18, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Jeff G <jeffgallop at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> You gonna share, or are your natural pills a secret?
> 
>> On Dec 18, 2013 12:10 PM, "N Babic" <nikobabic at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I have all natural pills to subside and get rid of opiate withdrawals .. Average time 3 weeks
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 18, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "Sergey Sibirian" <sibirianfox at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Val,
>>> 
>>> Well, when I switch, I'll still continue getting my methadone from the pharmacy.
>>> It's absolutely free in Canada.
>>> That only line of the reasons I love this country that became my home.
>>> The system is far from perfect, but it's humane.
>>> There's a safety net for people in trouble, be it addiction, financial, psychological, etc…
>>> Also, the people here….
>>> Ah, I'm distracted!
>>> So yea, back to our rabbits ( a saying in russian, lol).
>>> So if Kratom isn't working, although I can be very tenacious, I'm not lost.
>>> Then there hydromorphone, which is basically pharma heroin, which I have access
>>> to. Btw, at one point there was a pilot project called NAOMI in Montreal:
>>> they were giving addicts heroin instead of methadone,-twice daily.
>>> So at one point they gave IV hydromorphone in a blind experiment (addicts didn't know) and tasked the users afterwards "what they took".
>>> Each and everyone said "heroin".
>>> I myself could not tell the difference when used freshly (on the long run there are subtle differences).
>>> So this hydro shit is obviously my last resort as a SAO….
>>> I'm trying to get clean you know.
>>> If I take it though, it'll be oral.
>>> The "convention" is signed and sealed with my girl for that matter.
>>> Oral only.
>>> lol!
>>> 
>>> Sergey
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 12:17 AM, Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Sergie, 
>>>> I wonder if it would help if you started taking Kratom with Methadone to lower your tolerance, keep getting lower on the methadone,  and then  just go straight to Kratom, at a low methadone dose?
>>>> 
>>>> I just am scared for you to go on SAOs for an entire 3 months.
>>>> 
>>>> I was told it is only Bufenorphine you need to wait 3 months, Methadone was 2-3 weeks.
>>>> 
>>>> I am no expert it is just a thought.
>>>> It is very scary that you have to transfer to SAOs
>>>> At the end of 3 months I felt that if I had to wait any longer I probably would have shot up. (Which I have never done)
>>>> 
>>>> I sincerely wish you the best Sergie,  Trust your instinct .
>>>> 
>>>> Lotsof Love, Val
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> @Sister. How long Is it recommended for someone to be off Methadone before Ibogaine? 
>>>>> On Dec 17, 2013 8:51 PM, "Sergey Sibirian" <sibirianfox at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Danielle,
>>>>> 
>>>>> For me, the worst part of any opioid WD is the anxiety.
>>>>> ANXIETY.
>>>>> And that's a very pale word for it.
>>>>> It's that feeling that is the nemesis of the "opiated fuzzy satisfied I don't care it's all fine" feeling.
>>>>> My eyes feel like they don't belong in my skull, everything is bleak, sounds and light are biting, I'm cold and miserable.… I could go on forever, and even then I won't describe the WDs well enough for an outsider to even start to comprehend.
>>>>> Every opioid user will understand me however.
>>>>> The spine, the stomach, the chills, the running nose/eyes/++, the diarrhoea, all those
>>>>> pretty things come AFTER this intense feeling of hell for me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As for Methadone VS other opioids….
>>>>> I have a lot of experience in this sh!t unfortunately.
>>>>> When I was younger, I would do cold-turkey at least twice a year, sometimes every 3 months..
>>>>> And I would come off all kinds of ops….
>>>>> But for me, they pretty much sum up in two categories:
>>>>> SHORT ACTING and
>>>>> LONG ACTING
>>>>> The feeling was the exact same for me, just with short acting would be much, much more intense BUT also much, much shorter.
>>>>> And that says everything I guess…
>>>>> NOBODY is able to endure this torture for more then, I don't know, 10 days?
>>>>> But then with Heroin, the WDs become less and less horrible every passing day, and that gives you strength.
>>>>> As for long-acting…
>>>>> I never fully did one.
>>>>> I went maybe 10 days without methadone, and that was unbearable.
>>>>> Not coz it's any different, BUT COZ IT DOESN'T F#@$%!G END!!!!!!!
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll try Kratom, see if I can switch.
>>>>> Where I am now, whatever happens, I have an exit.
>>>>> There simply isn't one with "relapse" on it.
>>>>> It doesn't exist, at least at the moment.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wish you well
>>>>> Sergey
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 10:12 PM, danielle <danielle6175 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Sergey I know I'm not an expert but have you considered tapering down a little more from 42 mgs before your jumping off point?  If I had it to do over again I would have tapered to a SOLID 10 mgs maybe even 5 mgs.  There's no way to really explain the COMPLETE AGONY of that experience.  Any word I can think of seems trite in comparison to the torture of that crash.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I didn't know that kind of misery existed.  I now have a healthy HORROR  of ever touching Methadone again.  I don't mean to sound discouraging but that was by far the WORST EXPERIENCE OF MY LIFE (as far as "sickness" goes).  ALL of my insides become ALIVE with relentlessly slithering, cutting, spasming, cramping convulsions.  It was an infestation of painful foulness...I get nauseous thinking about it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I know Kratom is promising but it really couldn't hurt anything to taper down a little more.  If you move forward with this plan and things become unbearable DON'T BE A HERO...just go back to a taper.  I wouldn't wish what I went through on my worst enemy and your dear to me so please be careful.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Plus; after all the work you've put in to this I so so so so want you to have a HUUUUUGE success story!  You deserve it...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sincerest concern and BEST WISHES,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Danielle 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com> 
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 6:22 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sergey response
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Star,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> thank you for the kind words.
>>>>>> :D
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ok, I see now, about your son.
>>>>>> Wow, it must be such a relief.
>>>>>> I don't have children yet, although I dream about having identical twins.
>>>>>> But I have animals, a dog and a cat, which I really love.
>>>>>> I know it's a very pale comparison, but nevertheless, I can relate to
>>>>>> caring about someone. I have a girl that I love.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So 6 month of abuse and a year on Sub.
>>>>>> That's great news, NOW THAT HE'S CLEAN.
>>>>>> I mean, from what I researched and saw with my own eyes, the point of no return
>>>>>> for brain chemistry starts from a year'n'half-2 years of heavy abuse.
>>>>>> But even then, somebody who abused for 5 years or someone who abused for 15,
>>>>>> there's a big difference in their brain's ability to recover, I'm sure of that.
>>>>>> It's the same concept for everything and anything:
>>>>>> the longer you abuse, the higher the price to pay.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Wish you well
>>>>>> Sergey
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> P.S Im ordering Kratom next week, see how it works and if I can jump to it
>>>>>> from 42 mls of Methadone.
>>>>>> Worst case I can get Hydromorphs, which is really WORST CASE.
>>>>>> The only difference between hydro and Heroin, is that hydro comes in a pill and is sold
>>>>>> in a pharmacy, none other.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 7:55 PM, star ray <earthshealing at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Sergey, you are such a nice dude, I wish my oldest son that is 34 just had a big hunk of your kindness, oh well that's the way it goes... well Sergey,  Christian, the 29 years old was using sao's (lots) for 6 months or longer, then he went to sub, wow, he would overtake that it was crazy... I of course knew nothing then about any of this so I was pretty clueless, I think he took the sub about 8 months to a year before his first ibo treatment so it wasn't a really long time, i think he was clean about a year and relapsed for about 4 months on sub ... so he really did not have a long history. of abuse.  He researched ibogaine to death and was excited to do it, of course until he actually did it, he had a pertty hard time with it, it wasn't any picnic for sure....now, after thinking about it longer,  these people that go to a treatment center probably have to get in and out of there in about 5 days so to make sure they are all healed it makes sense to be off sub 3 months... plus depending on how long they were on sub would make a difference.  It would be nice if there was some chart time of use of sub and time to be off sao's for ibo treatemnt................ but maybe i dont know what i am talking about  hahaha
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> It would be nice for sister to respond to this..... girlfriend????
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Well Serge, i can't wait til you do your treatment, you are certainly preparing yourself for it, great researching!!
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Happy Holidays to you!!  xoxo  Star
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Star,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hey Star!
>>>>>> Wish you the best this time of year, happy holidays to you and people close
>>>>>> to you.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What you say about HCL VS TA/PA is pretty much the conclusion I came to.
>>>>>> That Ibogaine/HCL is the real addiction interrupter, kind of does all the
>>>>>> "body/brain work" in that sphere, seems very likely from everything I
>>>>>> researched and heard.
>>>>>> And TA/PA has all the other Iboga alkaloids that give a person more
>>>>>> spiritually.
>>>>>> Makes sense since the original Iboga plant is NOT only Ibogaine.
>>>>>> Bwiti do root bark and they are the original shamans of Ibo plant.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Now concerning the switch to SAO's and the waiting time prior to flood?.
>>>>>> > From what I understand, THE LONGER one is on long-life opioids such as
>>>>>> Sub or Methadone, the longer the switch.
>>>>>> Makes sense as well.
>>>>>> Long life opioids rob the brain of it's ability to adapt and steal it's
>>>>>> reference point
>>>>>> in regards to normal endorphine functioning.
>>>>>> With SAO's the brain re-adapts to being "sick", so rediscovers it's
>>>>>> reference point.
>>>>>> I weigh in my age VS time of abuse, which is 32 to 15?.
>>>>>> Well, I guess I'm still young, but then I've abused drugs for half my life.
>>>>>> I think I'll go with a month and a half?.
>>>>>> Seems reasonable.
>>>>>> I think 3 months should be for the worst case scenario.
>>>>>> I hope I calculate it right.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If I might ask, what's your son's ratio for "age VS abuse" time?
>>>>>> 2 weeks seems way too fast.
>>>>>> I mean, the Subs WD, the pure physical ones, I'm not even mentioning PAWS,
>>>>>> last like a month and a half at the very least. That's how long it takes
>>>>>> the brain to re-adapt half-way?
>>>>>> So I think the minimum for long-life ops should be at the very least a
>>>>>> month.
>>>>>> But, like you said, what do I know?
>>>>>> :D
>>>>>> I haven't even done my own flood yet.
>>>>>> All I do is research and gather in vivo experiences and opinions of those
>>>>>> who have
>>>>>> a similar life-story.
>>>>>> It's pretty useful though.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ok Star, I'll talk to you soon.
>>>>>> Wish you well
>>>>>> Sergey
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>       
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sergey
>>>>>> 
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>>>>> Wish you well
>>>>>       
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sergey
>>>>> 
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>>> Sergey
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