[Ibogaine] sergey response

Jeff G jeffgallop at gmail.com
Wed Dec 18 14:11:18 CST 2013


You gonna share, or are your natural pills a secret?
On Dec 18, 2013 12:10 PM, "N Babic" <nikobabic at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I have all natural pills to subside and get rid of opiate withdrawals ..
> Average time 3 weeks
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 18, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "Sergey Sibirian" <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Val,
>
> Well, when I switch, I'll still continue getting my methadone from the
> pharmacy.
> It's absolutely free in Canada.
> That only line of the reasons I love this country that became my home.
> The system is far from perfect, but it's humane.
> There's a safety net for people in trouble, be it addiction, financial,
> psychological, etc…
> Also, the people here….
> Ah, I'm distracted!
> So yea, back to our rabbits ( a saying in russian, lol).
> So if Kratom isn't working, although I can be very tenacious, I'm not lost.
> Then there hydromorphone, which is basically pharma heroin, which I have
> access
> to. Btw, at one point there was a pilot project called NAOMI in Montreal:
> they were giving addicts heroin instead of methadone,-twice daily.
> So at one point they gave IV hydromorphone in a blind experiment (addicts
> didn't know) and tasked the users afterwards "what they took".
> Each and everyone said "heroin".
> I myself could not tell the difference when used freshly (on the long run
> there are subtle differences).
> So this hydro shit is obviously my last resort as a SAO….
> I'm trying to get clean you know.
> If I take it though, it'll be oral.
> The "convention" is signed and sealed with my girl for that matter.
> Oral only.
> lol!
>
> Sergey
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 12:17 AM, Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sergie,
>> I wonder if it would help if you started taking Kratom with Methadone to
>> lower your tolerance, keep getting lower on the methadone,  and then  just
>> go straight to Kratom, at a low methadone dose?
>>
>> I just am scared for you to go on SAOs for an entire 3 months.
>>
>> I was told it is only Bufenorphine you need to wait 3 months, Methadone
>> was 2-3 weeks.
>>
>> I am no expert it is just a thought.
>> It is very scary that you have to transfer to SAOs
>> At the end of 3 months I felt that if I had to wait any longer I probably
>> would have shot up. (Which I have never done)
>>
>> I sincerely wish you the best Sergie,  Trust your instinct .
>>
>> Lotsof Love, Val
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> @Sister. How long Is it recommended for someone to be off Methadone
>> before Ibogaine?
>>  On Dec 17, 2013 8:51 PM, "Sergey Sibirian" <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Danielle,
>>>
>>> For me, the worst part of any opioid WD is the anxiety.
>>> ANXIETY.
>>> And that's a very pale word for it.
>>> It's that feeling that is the nemesis of the "opiated fuzzy satisfied I
>>> don't care it's all fine" feeling.
>>> My eyes feel like they don't belong in my skull, everything is bleak,
>>> sounds and light are biting, I'm cold and miserable.… I could go on
>>> forever, and even then I won't describe the WDs well enough for an outsider
>>> to even start to comprehend.
>>> Every opioid user will understand me however.
>>> The spine, the stomach, the chills, the running nose/eyes/++, the
>>> diarrhoea, all those
>>> pretty things come AFTER this intense feeling of hell for me.
>>>
>>> As for Methadone VS other opioids….
>>> I have a lot of experience in this sh!t unfortunately.
>>> When I was younger, I would do cold-turkey at least twice a year,
>>> sometimes every 3 months..
>>> And I would come off all kinds of ops….
>>> But for me, they pretty much sum up in two categories:
>>> SHORT ACTING and
>>> LONG ACTING
>>> The feeling was the exact same for me, just with short acting would be
>>> much, much more intense BUT also much, much shorter.
>>> And that says everything I guess…
>>> NOBODY is able to endure this torture for more then, I don't know, 10
>>> days?
>>> But then with Heroin, the WDs become less and less horrible every
>>> passing day, and that gives you strength.
>>> As for long-acting…
>>> I never fully did one.
>>> I went maybe 10 days without methadone, and that was unbearable.
>>> Not coz it's any different, BUT COZ IT DOESN'T F#@$%!G END!!!!!!!
>>>
>>> I'll try Kratom, see if I can switch.
>>> Where I am now, whatever happens, I have an exit.
>>> There simply isn't one with "relapse" on it.
>>> It doesn't exist, at least at the moment.
>>>
>>> Wish you well
>>> Sergey
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 10:12 PM, danielle <danielle6175 at sbcglobal.net>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sergey I know I'm not an expert but have you considered tapering down a
>>>> little more from 42 mgs before your jumping off point?  If I had it to do
>>>> over again I would have tapered to a SOLID 10 mgs maybe even 5 mgs.
>>>>  There's no way to really explain the COMPLETE AGONY of that experience.
>>>>  Any word I can think of seems trite in comparison to the torture of that
>>>> crash.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't know that kind of misery existed.  I now have a healthy HORROR
>>>>  of ever touching Methadone again.  I don't mean to sound discouraging but
>>>> that was by far the WORST EXPERIENCE OF MY LIFE (as far as "sickness"
>>>> goes).  ALL of my insides become ALIVE with relentlessly slithering,
>>>> cutting, spasming, cramping convulsions.  It was an infestation of painful
>>>> foulness...I get nauseous thinking about it.
>>>>
>>>> I know Kratom is promising but it really couldn't hurt anything to
>>>> taper down a little more.  If you move forward with this plan and things
>>>> become unbearable DON'T BE A HERO...just go back to a taper.  I wouldn't
>>>> wish what I went through on my worst enemy and your dear to me so please be
>>>> careful.
>>>>
>>>> Plus; after all the work you've put in to this I so so so so want you
>>>> to have a HUUUUUGE success story!  You deserve it...
>>>>
>>>> Sincerest concern and BEST WISHES,
>>>>
>>>>  Danielle
>>>>
>>>>   ------------------------------
>>>>  *From:* Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
>>>> *To:* The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 16, 2013 6:22 PM
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] sergey response
>>>>
>>>> Star,
>>>>
>>>> thank you for the kind words.
>>>> :D
>>>>
>>>> Ok, I see now, about your son.
>>>> Wow, it must be such a relief.
>>>> I don't have children yet, although I dream about having identical
>>>> twins.
>>>> But I have animals, a dog and a cat, which I really love.
>>>> I know it's a very pale comparison, but nevertheless, I can relate to
>>>> caring about someone. I have a girl that I love.
>>>>
>>>> So 6 month of abuse and a year on Sub.
>>>> That's great news, NOW THAT HE'S CLEAN.
>>>> I mean, from what I researched and saw with my own eyes, the point of
>>>> no return
>>>> for brain chemistry starts from a year'n'half-2 years of heavy abuse.
>>>> But even then, somebody who abused for 5 years or someone who abused
>>>> for 15,
>>>> there's a big difference in their brain's ability to recover, I'm sure
>>>> of that.
>>>> It's the same concept for everything and anything:
>>>> the longer you abuse, the higher the price to pay.
>>>>
>>>> Wish you well
>>>> Sergey
>>>>
>>>> P.S Im ordering Kratom next week, see how it works and if I can jump to
>>>> it
>>>> from 42 mls of Methadone.
>>>> Worst case I can get Hydromorphs, which is really WORST CASE.
>>>> The only difference between hydro and Heroin, is that hydro comes in a
>>>> pill and is sold
>>>> in a pharmacy, none other.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 7:55 PM, star ray <earthshealing at hotmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sergey, you are such a nice dude, I wish my oldest son that is 34 just
>>>> had a big hunk of your kindness, oh well that's the way it goes... well
>>>> Sergey,  Christian, the 29 years old was using sao's (lots) for 6 months or
>>>> longer, then he went to sub, wow, he would overtake that it was crazy... I
>>>> of course knew nothing then about any of this so I was pretty clueless, I
>>>> think he took the sub about 8 months to a year before his first
>>>> ibo treatment so it wasn't a really long time, i think he was clean about a
>>>> year and relapsed for about 4 months on sub ... so he really did not have a
>>>> long history. of abuse.  He researched ibogaine to death and was excited to
>>>> do it, of course until he actually did it, he had a pertty hard time with
>>>> it, it wasn't any picnic for sure....now, after thinking about it longer,
>>>> these people that go to a treatment center probably have to get in and out
>>>> of there in about 5 days so to make sure they are all healed it makes sense
>>>> to be off sub 3 months... plus depending on how long they were on sub would
>>>> make a difference.  It would be nice if there was some chart time of use of
>>>> sub and time to be off sao's for ibo treatemnt................ but maybe i
>>>> dont know what i am talking about  hahaha
>>>>
>>>> It would be nice for sister to respond to this..... girlfriend????
>>>>
>>>> Well Serge, i can't wait til you do your treatment, you are certainly
>>>> preparing yourself for it, great researching!!
>>>>
>>>> Happy Holidays to you!!  xoxo  Star
>>>>
>>>> Star,
>>>>
>>>> Hey Star!
>>>> Wish you the best this time of year, happy holidays to you and people
>>>> close
>>>> to you.
>>>>
>>>> What you say about HCL VS TA/PA is pretty much the conclusion I came to.
>>>> That Ibogaine/HCL is the real addiction interrupter, kind of does all
>>>> the
>>>> "body/brain work" in that sphere, seems very likely from everything I
>>>> researched and heard.
>>>> And TA/PA has all the other Iboga alkaloids that give a person more
>>>> spiritually.
>>>> Makes sense since the original Iboga plant is NOT only Ibogaine.
>>>> Bwiti do root bark and they are the original shamans of Ibo plant.
>>>>
>>>> Now concerning the switch to SAO's and the waiting time prior to flood?.
>>>> > From what I understand, THE LONGER one is on long-life opioids such as
>>>> Sub or Methadone, the longer the switch.
>>>> Makes sense as well.
>>>> Long life opioids rob the brain of it's ability to adapt and steal it's
>>>> reference point
>>>> in regards to normal endorphine functioning.
>>>> With SAO's the brain re-adapts to being "sick", so rediscovers it's
>>>> reference point.
>>>> I weigh in my age VS time of abuse, which is 32 to 15?.
>>>> Well, I guess I'm still young, but then I've abused drugs for half my
>>>> life.
>>>> I think I'll go with a month and a half?.
>>>> Seems reasonable.
>>>> I think 3 months should be for the worst case scenario.
>>>> I hope I calculate it right.
>>>>
>>>> If I might ask, what's your son's ratio for "age VS abuse" time?
>>>> 2 weeks seems way too fast.
>>>> I mean, the Subs WD, the pure physical ones, I'm not even mentioning
>>>> PAWS,
>>>> last like a month and a half at the very least. That's how long it takes
>>>> the brain to re-adapt half-way?
>>>> So I think the minimum for long-life ops should be at the very least a
>>>> month.
>>>> But, like you said, what do I know?
>>>> :D
>>>> I haven't even done my own flood yet.
>>>> All I do is research and gather in vivo experiences and opinions of
>>>> those
>>>> who have
>>>> a similar life-story.
>>>> It's pretty useful though.
>>>>
>>>> Ok Star, I'll talk to you soon.
>>>> Wish you well
>>>> Sergey
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Sergey
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