[Ibogaine] Hi its Val :)

Sergey Sibirian sibirianfox at gmail.com
Mon Dec 16 16:28:33 CST 2013


I see you fixed your computer.

I'm happy to have you back.

Wanted to share my opinion about this new "extreme harm reduction approach".

You see, I personally came to a conclusion that the government has simply
given-up more or less in regards to addicts, especially hard-drug users.
And the statistic is a cold-blooded b!tch: up to 5% will not return to
using, and that
number plummets with age, or exposure to "using" (2 years of rat-race or
12, see?)
But the statistic is only valid IN CURRENT CONTEXT, which today offers
pretty much
replacement therapy or 12 steps to users/addicts.
So this new S.M.A.R.T. approach just follows the official line: "let them
use, there's
no hope anyway, they'll die with a syringe in their arm."

That is why I was so keen to show mindvox people the Bayesian formula,
instead of the
cynical, cold-blooded, blind statistic approach.
The formula,-which revolutionized every major field today btw,- takes into
account YOUR CURRENT STATS: your progress, your efforts, changes, etc, etc…
So its DYNAMIC, it changes over time, for worst or better, DEPENDING on
what you're doing.

Also, if there was more treatments available, the blind statistic would
certainly change.
Just imagine Ibogaine becomes legal for opioid-addiction today, and
clinical trials and studies are in progress.
In 20 years from now, do you think the statistics for opioid-addicts would
still be around
2-3% of success???
Of course not, the number would climb to 15-20%.
Let's see how it goes in New-Zealand, speaking of…

Happy holidays and all the best in new year-2014.

On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com> wrote:

> That is what so irritating about the program I am in, they call you
> "clean" and the person is being prescribed their drug of choice.
> But they are telling me I need to quit smoking Cannabis which is ALSO
> being  PRESCRIBED to me, and truly is helping control my anxiety and pain.
> It Bullshit!
> I don't want to put ANY pharmaceuticals in my body!
> Anyways that's my bitch fest for the day.
> Lotsof Love, Val
> On Dec 15, 2013 7:08 AM, "Jim Hadey3" <jimhadey3 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Val,
>> Yes, you can take drugs Rx by a Dr like Norco or Xanax, but your playing
>> with fire, while it may be ok with NA they are addictive and you have had
>> trouble with both.  The problem with opiates is when used as directed you
>> become hooked, don't matter if you got them from the drug store or the guy
>> on the street.  Just so ya know if your using Sub or Met your not
>> considered clean for you still have an addiction problem, now if your
>> getting them from the street your dirty.  The opiates are for pain when
>> prescribed by a Dr.
>> If you can stick with the program you got a good chance of salvaging the
>> rest of your life.  And I congratulate on the progress you have made.  So
>> you have slight cravings not the overwhelming kind, that's Great.
>> Nice Hug,
>>   - JIM
>> On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Jim Hadey3 <jimhadey3 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Val and assorted creatures,
>>> If anyone wants to get on the list send them this link.
>>> mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine
>>> Then go to where ya got to go.
>>> Best,
>>>   -JIM
>>> On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 12:29 AM, Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hey guys, I hope you are all well.
>>>> I haven't been on here because my phone decided not to let me text, I
>>>> broke my laptop, then to top it all off I can't even use my husbands
>>>> computer because I forgot my email password!
>>>> So I have to do everything on this stupid Nook that I hate! And just
>>>> told me I have 15% power left, errrr......
>>>> I am doing very well.
>>>> There is a kid that is in my outpatient program who is there by his own
>>>> will , but is basicaly white knuckling it.
>>>> He NEEDS to be on this list!!! But I dont know how I even got on here?
>>>> I was on xanex and opiots back then.
>>>> How can I direct him here?
>>>> Thanks everyone for all your love and support . I will be on more once
>>>> I figure out what my password is or if somehow I can change it through my
>>>> Nook.
>>>> I am doing GREAT! and staying busy.
>>>> Lotsof Love, Val
>>>> P.S   I miss you guys and gals!
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*Wish you well*

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