[Ibogaine] SSRI/SNRI's after Ibo treatment

Sergey Sibirian sibirianfox at gmail.com
Mon Dec 16 15:29:30 CST 2013


Hi Jim,

Very interesting.
There is no file attached though.
It looks like that from my side:
Truth_About_Antidepressants_Chemical_Imbalance_Psychology

Was this supposed to be the file or do I have to do something else?

Thanks
Sergey



On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Jim Hadey3 <jimhadey3 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> How would they know if your are
> low on serotonin as they Never
> test for it?? I am going to attach
> a file, it is a Real Audio but can
> be played with VLC player. It is
> very interesting. It seems that
> Google will not accept the file so
> Google
>
> Truth_About_Antidepressants_Chemical_Imbalance_Psychology
>
> It is a good one for antidepressants
> and SSRI info
>
> Best,
>
> - JIM
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Matt,
>>
>> Placebo effect is a hugely powerful thing, no doubt here.
>> I think it's proof that the mind controls the body, and not the other way
>> around.
>> The other way around you get a zomby, not a human.
>> Just like in "active hard-drug abuse", the individual looses control of
>> this, and becomes a good example of today's "resident evil".
>>
>> But….
>> Try giving a junky a placebo instead of his fix.
>> It's also exactly what Ken Alper says in his documentary/presentation
>> about the ways Ibogaine effect the brain.
>> He says "try selling a fake dummy-package somewhere in Brooklin (instead
>> of heroin), come back the next day and see how long you live".
>> Funny stuff.
>> He says that to assess "placebo VS Ibogaine" in addiction interruption to
>> prove Ibogaine actually works.
>>
>> So I'm bringing these examples to make a point.
>> Depression is very different from one individual to another.
>> In many cases there are a lot of underlying issues, just like in
>> addiction.
>> Both are very complex illnesses, where mind, body and soul are
>> inter-related…
>>
>> But there are depression cases where there is a very strong imbalance of
>> neurotransmitters involved.
>> Serotonin and etc.
>> For these people in particular, I doubt very much that a placebo would
>> work.
>> They need at the very least a "sunshine therapy",-natural or lamps,- to
>> boost serotonin production, and if that doesn't help, the only option left
>> seems to be lithium or other SSRI's…
>>
>> That's what I learned, what do you think?
>>
>> Wish you well
>>  Sergey
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Matt S. <ibogamail at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> HI Edward
>>>
>>> As you know I have some experience with what you are discussing. I have
>>> researched depression treatments fairly extensively and the evidence
>>> suggests that whatever you believe will help, actually will help.  Which
>>> further suggests that basically the power of belief (or suggestion if you
>>> like) can itself overcome depression.  SSRI's are slightly better than
>>> placebo but the slight difference is very likely due to the fact that in a
>>> double blind trial, people who get the actual SSRI know it from the side
>>> effects.  So knowing they got the real drug instead of the placebo gives
>>> them the slight "belief boost" which makes the SSRI out perform placebo.
>>>  Knowing all of this, I too also still find them effective, or at least I
>>> did the last time I was on them.  But I also know that for me depression is
>>> cyclical and that literally doing nothing will eventually still result in
>>> the depression going away in time.  But doing nothing is not actually what
>>> I do. Although you would have to wait for the SSRI's to clear your system I
>>> am still an advocate for aya for depression.  I have also heard it does
>>> good things for alcoholism.  If I had to guess I would say that your
>>> depression is probably not entirely without connection to your inability to
>>> control your drinking.
>>>
>>> You might also try 1000 or 2000 units of vitamin D a day to see if that
>>> helps any.  You probably know about the correlation between low vitamin D
>>> and depression although I do have to mention that the way they measure what
>>> is considered normal for D levels is a bit suspect.  They changed what the
>>> consider a normal range and alls of a sudden lots of people are
>>> "deficient".  Any time something like that happens you have to question the
>>> entire methodology.  Still though, might be worth the experiment if it
>>> helps you.
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/12/2013 9:04 AM, Edward W. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sister,
>>>>
>>>> The occasional binge drinking I have never been able to over come,
>>>> unfortunately.  I have to disagree with you about SSRI/SNRI's being no
>>>> better than a placebo.  In my experience there is a noticeable difference
>>>> when I'm influenced by the chemical, compared to not being on them.  The
>>>> main differences are with the irritability and obsessive thinking and
>>>> behaviors.  I have tried 5-HTP, St. John's Wort, Kanna and SAMe with those
>>>> never having the same effect as an SSRI/SNRI.  I am currently seeing a
>>>> fairly good psychiatrist who seems to be open to alternative therapies, as
>>>> well.  CBT and low voltage electric shock sound interesting.  I appreciate
>>>> the advice Sister.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks and peace.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/12/2013 8:54 AM, sister wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What have you done so far to help yourself?  Are you drinking?  Have
>>>>> you seen a therapist to try and get to base of why your depressed?  Tried
>>>>> cbt?  Done any research of what's available other then constant pills?  New
>>>>> stuff out there.   If I had depression that  affected me to point I'd
>>>>> consider taking antifuckets with so many studies they do no better then a
>>>>> placebo I'd consider the Low voltage electic shock.  Shows very promising.
>>>>>  But before I'd go to that extreme I'd cover all other vases first.  But
>>>>> that's just me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sister
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Dec 12, 2013, at 10:37 AM, "Edward W." <edwardw at mtciep.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No doubt Sister, I agree.  I was just curious as to how many on the
>>>>>> list still require synthetic antidepressants even after an Ibo treatment.
>>>>>>  I remember a few years ago I said I would never again be on SSRI/SNRI's
>>>>>> after a harsh withdrawal.  I use to be able to function without them fairly
>>>>>> well, but now it doesn't seem so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Edward W.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On 12/12/2013 8:26 AM, sister wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm not sure that's a simple question.  So many variables to
>>>>>>> consider.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sister
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  On Dec 12, 2013, at 10:12 AM, "Edward W." <edwardw at mtciep.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was just curious as to how many on the list currently see a need
>>>>>>>> for using SSRI/SNRI's after an Ibo treatment. I do understand there is
>>>>>>>> usually a 1-3 month period in which noribogaine acts as an antidepressant
>>>>>>>> for some, but after this alkaloid is eliminated from the body, how common
>>>>>>>> is it that an SSRI/SNRI is still needed? Personally I've come to the point
>>>>>>>> now where I need a synthetic SSRI/SNRI to function.  I've never went
>>>>>>>> through a full flood, only a low dose experience with root bark.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks and Peace to all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Edward W.
>>>>>>>>
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