[Ibogaine] TA or HCL
danielle6175 at sbcglobal.net
Mon Dec 16 11:28:56 CST 2013
I stopped taking Methadone at the tale end of August. 25-40 mgs depending on day; to zero overnight. I don't know if the Short Acting Opiates I was taking in the interim are a factor but I swear there are times I'm still feeling it squish out of my brain. It's most pronounced when I'm exercising. I'll get brief dizzy spells. Not like the room is spinning; but like everything shifts. Sometimes I'll get a tingly sensation in my lips, and a numbness in my tongue. I also still get hit with the rapid machine gun sneezing (it's SO ANNOYING). The hardest to deal with is what I'm supposing is "phantom pain"...I'm in serious deep shit if that's real and doesn't go away. I can't handle that forever.
The research I've read about how long Methadone stays in your system is conflicting. Plus I didn't just throw out the Methadone...during that same garbage dump I stopped taking 60 mgs of Cymbalta and 40 mgs of Prozac. I know the two antidepressants together is a Serotonin overkill; but you've read the part about me having an addictive personality right?
So my body was certainly crashing; and I don't have any graphs or charts to prove my suspicions but I'm fairly certain the residual stuff is the Methadone. My point is that it's a very tricky drug to speculate how long it takes to leave your system.
@ the people that have researched anti depressants; is the effectiveness they are supposed to have on chronic pain a placebo effect as well?
From: Jim Hadey3 <jimhadey3 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] TA or HCL
I do not know about your financial status but if possible do the 3 months so you do not have to repeat the Exp. As you know many people have taken Ibo several times. For me a w/d last at least a month with the first week and second being the worst but sill unable to sleep and that is on heroin.
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com> wrote:
>When I spoke with Eric Taub he told me 2 months off Sub and the chance that withdrawal would NOT come back was 75% and that percentage gets less and less the the shorter time you wait .
>I am glad I waited 3 months.
>Those statistics are documented.
>Bufenorophine is a lot different then Methadone.
>So it seems that if you only wait a few weeks you most likely will start to go through withdrawal Although there is still a small percentage that withdrawal won't come back. I'm happy your son was in that percentile.
>The problem is these Ibogaine detox facilities that say you only need 2 weeks off Sub the patient feels good at first and then a few days later when the patient comes home they are sick again.
>There already home by then, and most likely can't afford to go back to the facility. Or the person just doesn't believe that Ibogaine actually works.
>Bufenorophine binds the receptors in the brain , Ibogaine can not get in there to clear out a receptor that is still binded.
>That's how I understood it anyways.
>I'm sooooo happy you are doing well. Love you girl.
>Lotsof Love, Val
>On Dec 15, 2013 12:23 PM, "Sergey Sibirian" <sibirianfox at gmail.com> wrote:
>>Wish you the best this time of year, happy holidays to you and people close to you.
>>What you say about HCL VS TA/PA is pretty much the conclusion I came to.
>>That Ibogaine/HCL is the real addiction interrupter, kind of does all the "body/brain work" in that sphere, seems very likely from everything I researched and heard.
>>And TA/PA has all the other Iboga alkaloids that give a person more spiritually.
>>Makes sense since the original Iboga plant is NOT only Ibogaine.
>>Bwiti do root bark and they are the original shamans of Ibo plant.
>>Now concerning the switch to SAO's and the waiting time prior to flood….
>>From what I understand, THE LONGER one is on long-life opioids such as
>>Sub or Methadone, the longer the switch.
>>Makes sense as well.
>>Long life opioids rob the brain of it's ability to adapt and steal it's reference point
>>in regards to normal endorphine functioning.
>>With SAO's the brain re-adapts to being "sick", so rediscovers it's reference point.
>>I weigh in my age VS time of abuse, which is 32 to 15….
>>Well, I guess I'm still young, but then I've abused drugs for half my life.
>>I think I'll go with a month and a half….
>>I think 3 months should be for the worst case scenario.
>>I hope I calculate it right.
>>If I might ask, what's your son's ratio for "age VS abuse" time?
>>2 weeks seems way too fast.
>>I mean, the Subs WD, the pure physical ones, I'm not even mentioning PAWS,
>>last like a month and a half at the very least. That's how long it takes the brain to re-adapt half-way…
>>So I think the minimum for long-life ops should be at the very least a month.
>>But, like you said, what do I know?
>>I haven't even done my own flood yet.
>>All I do is research and gather in vivo experiences and opinions of those who have
>>a similar life-story.
>>It's pretty useful though.
>>Ok Star, I'll talk to you soon.
>>Wish you well
>>On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 7:11 PM, star ray <earthshealing at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>I would recommended 3/4 hcl and 1/4 TA, I also got more out of the TA flood but I think the HCL really heals the body more, such as other problems, parasites, intestinal crud, candida, etc.... I believe the HCL heals every organ in the body. The TA provided more visions, etc.... I used the TA for boosters.
>>>I think HCL is used for people that have a severe addiction....my situation was a little different, no heavy addiction, mine was more of a dependency issue....................... for spiritual purposes, I would say TA.
>>>None of it is easy on the body but I am sure it is much easier for a younger person!!!!!!! At least that is what I have seen on UTube, but then you have someone that has been on sub or methadone and does HCL and is in bed for a week..... that does happen. My own son was in bed for 4 straight days and did not talk til the 4th day.... he was coming off sub, now he treated 2 weeks off sub but had to have another big booster after about 5 days... but it worked for him, he relapsed after about 6 months and retreated and has been straight for two years (THANK THE POWERS ABOVE) I think 3 months is really stretching it for the time to be off sub but I know there are people who have more experience with this. Now I did talk to another provider and she has never waited three months to treat post sub and has had wonderful results. I guess the safer way to go with the best shot to a positive outcome is to wait... but I don't really think it is a
great idea to be on SAO's that long UNLESS one is taking a very minimal amount... OK, but what do I know HAHAHA
>>>Good luck to all and LOVE, Star
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