[Ibogaine] 18-MC Clinical trials.

Sergey Sibirian sibirianfox at gmail.com
Sat Dec 14 13:26:51 CST 2013


Sister,

Yea, I see….
New thing comes in, error and trial, now better.

Imagine what happens in 10-15 years, in, let's take the best,-New Zealand.
It's legal to prescribe and there are people studying in, ALL kinds of
people,
with DATA to follow, then results.

Sergey


On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 1:13 PM, sister <sistereboga at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Lol...not mandatory to have anyone with you.   Also when a lot of the info
> was printed not sure they were avail to public.  Not sure mind you.  When
> iboga was first brough to public we didn't know what we know now.   Much
> has changed as far as what's considered safe.   Hell, remember the docu
> where demetri treated a guy stright off 220mg meth, nearly died right on
> film.   Folk are more cautious in what they put in print now.  The problem
> is can't remove what was put on net 10 yrs ago.  Many still look at that as
> gospel.
>
> Sister
>
> On Dec 14, 2013, at 12:53 PM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> More….
>
> *Defibrillation* is a common treatment for life-threatening cardiac
> dysrhythmias <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiac_dysrhythmia>, ventricular
> fibrillation <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ventricular_fibrillation> and
> pulseless ventricular tachycardia<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ventricular_tachycardia>.
> Defibrillation consists of delivering a therapeutic dose of electrical
> energy to the heart with a device called a *defibrillator*. This
> depolarizes a critical mass of the heart muscle, terminates the dysrhythmia
> and allows normal sinus rhythm<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_sinus_rhythm> to
> be reestablished by the body's natural pacemaker<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiac_pacemaker>,
> in the sinoatrial node <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinoatrial_node> of
> the heart. Defibrillators can be external, transvenous, or implanted<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implant_(medicine)>,
> depending on the type of device used or needed. Some external units, known
> as automated external defibrillators<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_external_defibrillator> (AEDs),
> *automate the diagnosis of treatable rhythms, meaning that lay responders
> or bystanders are able to use them successfully with little or no training
> at all*.
>
> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> I wonder if it really works for Ibo floods, and if yes,
> why is it not on the "MANDATORY" list of any Ibo flood??…
>
> Sergey
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Sister,
>>
>> done.
>>
>> It's always so "in my face" when somebody tells me "google it"
>> :D
>>
>> Jeff once sent me a link where it actually says: "Here, let me google
>> that for you"
>> an arrow does the writing+plus search and I get the right page in the end.
>> Very funny and ingenious.
>> I actually want to find out how to send people links like that, its fun.
>>
>> So…
>>
>> An *automated external defibrillator (AED)* is a portable<http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/portable>
>>  electronic device <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_device> that
>> automatically diagnoses the potentially life threatening cardiac<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiac>
>> arrhythmias <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrhythmia> of ventricular
>> fibrillation <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ventricular_fibrillation> and ventricular
>> tachycardia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ventricular_tachycardia> in a
>> patient <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient>,[1]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_external_defibrillator#cite_note-AHA1-1> and
>> is able to treat them through defibrillation<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defibrillation>,
>> the application of electrical therapy which stops the arrhythmia, allowing
>> the heart to reestablish an effective rhythm.
>>
>> With simple audio and visual commands, AEDs are designed to be simple to
>> use for the layman <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Layman>, and the use of
>> AEDs is taught in many first aid <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_aid>
>> ,first responder <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_responder>, and basic
>> life support <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_life_support> (BLS)
>> level cardiopulmonary resuscitation<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiopulmonary_resuscitation> (CPR)
>> classes.[2]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_external_defibrillator#cite_note-2>
>>
>>
>> Yep, yep….
>>
>> Got it.
>>
>> HOW MUCH IS A USED ONE SHOULD COST????
>>
>>
>> Tnx
>>
>> Sergey
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 11:51 AM, sister <sistereboga at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ok. Found it.
>>> As far as what causes these arrythmias.  Since they were not present
>>> prior, iboga is my guess.
>>> Google aed, o2 is oxygen
>>>
>>> Recognizing arrhythmia's took me yrs of working in ER/ICU.  But checking
>>> pulse over  a full min is how along with bp etc
>>> Sister
>>>
>>> On Dec 13, 2013, at 2:36 PM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> SISTER!!!!
>>>
>>> This is EXACTLY, EXACTLY, EXACTLY
>>> did I say exactly?
>>> the kind of info I was trying to squeeze out of you.
>>>
>>> Now THAT HERE is an email I will put aside as it contains at least
>>> 3-4 precious détails I was looking for.
>>>
>>> I thought women were difficult...
>>> But now I`ve discovered a new breed: women nurses...
>>> :D
>>>
>>> Back to business.
>>>
>>> 1) The 3 cases with dangerous arrythmias/long QT you`re mentioning,
>>> do you have any idea what was the root-cause for this to occur?
>>> Are there ANY SIGNS prior to treatment that would indicate a red/yellow
>>> flag???
>>>
>>> 2)...Bought aed, o2, more emergecy meds...``
>>> What`s aed and o2?
>>> 3) No, a defib/aed does not correct qt, only converts v-fib, asystoli,
>>> etc.
>>> What`s converts to V-FIB?
>>>
>>> Sister, look, I think I`m being persistent a bit too much.
>>> But you are a rare find, and having real expertise in an experimental,
>>> underground field is a blessing, especially that it saves lives when
>>> done right.
>>> So I`ll just ask you to bear with me.
>>> I promise that after I do my flood, which I`ll film,
>>> I`ll be a freakin monument to `flood done right`.
>>> At least I intend to, and I`ll do my best.
>>>
>>> Wish you well
>>>
>>> Sergey
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:42 AM, sister <sistereboga at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes it shows on EKG.  Dosn't actually mean a abn. EKG if asymptomatic.
>>>>  I watched three floods with continuos monitoring.   All three had
>>>> arrhythmia's, all three had a time of longer qt intervals (about12-16 hours
>>>> in).  All three did convert back to baseline at the 20-36 hour, some after
>>>> 72 hours. All three began with ekgs that were perfect.  If one of them qt
>>>> was longer then should have been prior or had another substance in system
>>>> that could contribute...I fear death would of been end result.  Healthy
>>>> will compensate.  If too compromised the body can not compensate fast
>>>> enough, crash is eminent.
>>>>
>>>> I was much more confident prior to seeing these three floods on a
>>>> cardiac monitor.  Since these experiences I've tighten up on my safety
>>>> standards, My screening, my explanation to client and honesty of risk.
>>>> Bought aed, o2, more emergecy meds.
>>>>
>>>> I know providers that don't even know how to take blood pressures or
>>>> know what's normal hr is, don't recognize an irreg heart rate if it slapped
>>>> them in the face.  So no, all "clinics" do not monitor or have any medical
>>>> back up around.  Many do. I know providers who don't have any emergency
>>>> equipment, no emergency training.  Hell, some using dope themselves but
>>>> need to make a living and choose to do this or continues too.  I know when
>>>> I was using if I was in a dark room for 10-36 hours I'd be nodded out for
>>>> sure.  Hell, wouldn't last 4 hours.  Hard enough treating someone clean.
>>>> I know of deaths that didn't make the research...they are hidden. Some
>>>> get out to public, some don't.  I am sure there are many deaths I'm not
>>>> aware of that others know about.
>>>>
>>>> No, a defib/aed does not correct qt, only converts v-fib, asystoli,
>>>> etc.  Only way I am aware to treat qt's too long is with a pacemaker.   I
>>>> know of a case that the man was being paced a week later in ICU after a dyi
>>>> and following suggestion of those who don't understand cardiac, instructed
>>>> on doses, told to do rectal dosing I think.  Not sure if he lived as I
>>>> choose not to get involved since he was in hospital. Wasn't involved from
>>>> the get.   Nothing more to contribute to help him really anyways.  He was
>>>> where he should be if any chance to survive at all.
>>>>
>>>> Blows me away how quick folks will tell another they have not assessed,
>>>> seen EKG, know their medical history or even met in person yet giving
>>>> instructions on how to do a flood.
>>>> There are very few I'd let flood me. Didn't feel this way till I sat
>>>> with a few myself.  I sorta wished I was not aware of dangers, what really
>>>> happens cardiac wise.  Now I do know I get no reprieve.  Not that ignorance
>>>> is blessed, maybe bliss.
>>>>
>>>> So I won't get involved with diy's.  I'm sure being a RN I'd be held to
>>>> a different standard then non medical.  Plus...I feel we are all have
>>>> worth.    I've stopped correcting all the misinformation.  Dosnt change
>>>> anything anyways.  I've written a few who I know do give Bad instructions,
>>>> nothing changed.  Not even a response back.  Do I feel we should have the
>>>> right to put what we want in our own bodies, yes I do.  At your own risk
>>>> though.  Shouldn't be bringing another down with them.
>>>> Even when info's been given by those who are respected involved with
>>>> plant, see same shit being said.   At ibo conference it was said that ta is
>>>> not a good choice for addiction.  I think the term they used was "dirty".
>>>>  Yet still being sold to laymen, instruction including ta along with Hcl at
>>>> doses that freak me out.  Even here, where most are involved, aware.  But
>>>> they're not present.  Death happens they are not responsible.  No sweat off
>>>> them.
>>>> I would hope that if one chooses to give "how too" advice they take the
>>>> responsibility to know what they are talking about.  At least know what
>>>> info is out there.  Here these MD's take the time to give presentation (for
>>>> free) maybe wise to listen?  I get not paying attention to me, I'm just a
>>>> nurse.
>>>>
>>>> Very happy these clinical trials are being done.  Maybe save some
>>>> lives.  I'm one that does hope this tool eventually is in the hands of
>>>> medically trained personal.  Unlike what I hear from some..I do want this
>>>> legal in the USA and done in a real clinical setting.  I hope I see it in
>>>> my lifetime.  I'll be the first to fill out app for the job.
>>>> Sister
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Jim Hadey3 <jimhadey3 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Sis,
>>>>
>>>> If a person has a prolonged qt would it be detected during a normal
>>>> EKG?  If it goes too low will a defib help?  Do most places monitor it
>>>> during detox?
>>>>
>>>> Just Curious,
>>>>
>>>>   - JIM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 10:05 PM, sister <sistereboga at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Qt intervals part of cardiac electrical current  The P Q R S T waves.
>>>>>  Prolong qt interval is the time it takes from q wave to t wave.  I would
>>>>> draw one but not that savvy on pc.  I know you've seen it some where.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know what else to say but the plant iboga does not knock
>>>>> opiates off the receptor.  For instance, the substance Narcan will push the
>>>>> opiate off the receptor.
>>>>>
>>>>> Adding ibogaine on top of methadone and many other meds/substance can
>>>>> cause the time from q wave to t wave slow to point of death.  Hopefully
>>>>> ones lucky enough to get treated before death.  Treatment as far as I know
>>>>> is to pace the heart mechanically.
>>>>> Does this clarify?
>>>>> Sister
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 3:50 PM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sister,
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you you please do me (and others I assume) a favour
>>>>> and re-write that post in English?
>>>>> IN ENGLISH.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm asking not to be hard or whatnot, but coz I want to know your
>>>>> opinion on
>>>>> this matter.
>>>>>
>>>>> What exactly is "prolonged QT"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Then, the following sentence makes no sense TO ME, I don't know about
>>>>> others…
>>>>> "...Second reason... Long acting, ibo does not push opiated off
>>>>> receptor site.  So how effective of you want tx to be?
>>>>>
>>>>> I know no one ask but sorta sensitive about this , I lost a friend for
>>>>> her inpatients, misinformation given to her about safety of mixing the two
>>>>> substances.  Unnessasary death.
>>>>> "
>>>>>
>>>>>  Which "two substances"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Peace
>>>>>
>>>>> Sergey
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Sister <sistereboga at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well.. My take is this .  We KNOW methadone has high potential to
>>>>>> prolong qt.  it's documented by way too many studies.  As an er nurse seen
>>>>>> many times methadone addicts coming in complaining of sudden onset of
>>>>>> severe tiredness, weakness etc.  On assessment new med added.    Then do
>>>>>> EKG and find prolong qt.  what ever new med stopped.  We also know ibogaine
>>>>>> can also prolong qt, So increasing risk for death.
>>>>>> Second reason... Long acting, ibo does not push opiated off receptor
>>>>>> site.  So how effective of you want tx to be?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know no one ask but sorta sensitive about this , I lost a friend
>>>>>> for her inpatients, misinformation given to her about safety of mixing the
>>>>>> two substances.  Unnessasary death.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Smooth journey,
>>>>>> Sister
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 10, 2013, at 5:20 PM, junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sub is worse the methadone in my opinion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Annette Dilucchio <dilucch at gmail.com
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just wanted to share this response I rec'd when I volunteered myself
>>>>>>> as a subject in the clinical trials scheduled to begin next month on 18-MC.
>>>>>>>  From what I make of it, the participants who will determine the safety of
>>>>>>> this drug for addiction will not be in active addiction but rather healthy
>>>>>>> individuals who've agreed to take the medication in order to document the
>>>>>>> resulting physical side effects.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for me, Danielle thank you once again for your always comical and
>>>>>>> well thought out input on my circumstances. I got called into work for my
>>>>>>> mom last minute yesterday so my Dr.'s Appt has been rescheduled  for
>>>>>>> Thursday. Which gives me time to think about how to get something useful
>>>>>>> out of my visit. O-o  I got another month of methadone which knowing what I
>>>>>>> know now feels more like a sentence of doom than any kind of relief. I
>>>>>>> cannot believe I've signed on for another month of this unforgiving poison.
>>>>>>> Does suboxone do what methadone does to your tolerance of opiates? Or does
>>>>>>> it just HANG AROUND FOR 3 months??? I cannot decide which is the lesser of
>>>>>>> these two evils. Why doesn't David Graham mention Short-Acting Opiates in
>>>>>>> his successful ibogaine EXP? Anyhoo- hope all is well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sincerely-  Annette
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Stephen Hurst <slhurst at savanthwp.com>
>>>>>>> *Date:* December 9, 2013 at 3:43:20 PM PST
>>>>>>> *To:* Annette Dilucchio <dilucch at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* *Re: Clinical trials.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Annette,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you for your interest in Savant HWP and our
>>>>>>> addiction medicine project.  Unfortunately, it will be a while before
>>>>>>> 18-MC is available to patients in the US.  Human studies begin early
>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>> year but the initial trials will be in healthy volunteers in an
>>>>>>> effort to
>>>>>>> determine safe dosage levels before treating patients.  Our first
>>>>>>> obligation is to be sure the drug is not harmful and it will take at
>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> year to establish safety before treating patients.  I encourage you
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> check our website from time to time where we will post information
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> clinical trials as it becomes available.  In the meantime, we wish
>>>>>>> you all
>>>>>>> the best in your recovery efforts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stephen L. Hurst, JD
>>>>>>> President & CEO
>>>>>>> Savant HWP, Inc.
>>>>>>> 655 Skyway Road, Suite 212
>>>>>>> San Carlos, CA 94070
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Sergey
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