[Ibogaine] Help in Alberta?

Jim Hadey3 jimhadey3 at gmail.com
Fri Dec 13 16:25:56 CST 2013


Hi Serg,

There is one sitter who uses extract and has been doing so for years but
the rest like the HCL for it is consistent in purity.  The extract can
change potency depending on weather and soil conditions.

  - JIM



On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 4:54 PM, junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com> wrote:

> i think extract works better... just my opinion.. hcl is cleaner and
> easier, but the extract does more.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Jim,
>>
>> Now this is an excellent break-up of the different sorts/forms of Ibo out
>> there.
>>
>> I, for instance, couldn't get a clear answer prior to this on "what is
>> the difference???"
>>
>> Plus I learned there's a PA on top of TA.
>> Are those to similar in making but simply different in purity?
>> This is how I understood it.
>>
>> Plus I finally made up my choice about flood molecule.
>> It'll be HCL, no way I'll take anything else.
>> For the boosters though, I want to definitely
>> see how the other alkaloids in the root affect me.
>>
>> Usually a plant contains just the right set of ingredients for it's
>> purpose, which is initially shamanic.
>> So it looks like addiction-interruption is to be best treated with HCL.
>>
>> Did you meet people who flooded more then once and
>> preferred Extracts or root bark to HCL?
>>
>> Wish you to spend the holidays the way you intended and the best to you
>> and people close to you.
>>
>> Sergey
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Jim Hadey3 <jimhadey3 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Annette,
>>>
>>> You get the plant and scrape off the root bark thus getting root bark
>>> which is apx 5% Ibogaine alkaloids and used for boosters rather than a full
>>> Exp.  It is also hard on the system and should not be taken in 20 mg doses
>>> for detox, IMO.
>>>
>>> TA is when you run the root bark through chemicals and then with an
>>> alkaloid substance and get a crude form of Ibogaine about 50%.  Not really
>>> good for a flood but will do but it will be rough going.
>>>
>>> PA pretty good it is about 80% to 90% and some like it better than the
>>> HCL, much stronger than the TA.
>>>
>>> Most sitters and people I know like the HCL for it is cleaner and has
>>> less of the other alkaloids that can make ya sick.  I spent 72 hours
>>> detoxing in bed with an extract and 20 hours or so on the HCL which is why
>>> I like it better.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>   - JIM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Annette,
>>>>
>>>> Nah… it's mostly the opposite it seems.
>>>> IBOGAINE is the most precious ingredient when it comes to addiction
>>>> interruption.
>>>> And HCL is a pure chemical extract.
>>>>
>>>> That is what I found out through researching ONLY.
>>>> So I CANNOT CONFIRM IN VIVO.
>>>> I hope others who tries both can add to the conversation.
>>>>
>>>> Wish you well
>>>>
>>>> Sergey
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Annette Dilucchio <dilucch at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Can whoever explains this also explain what Ibogaine TA is? Why is it
>>>>> only $75 a gram like the price of the needed 20grams of root bark? And the
>>>>> hcl is $225?  I thought the alkaloids were what made this plant have the
>>>>> miraculous potential to reset your brain chemistry???
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 10, 2013, at 8:23 PM, junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> extract usually has all the alkaloids present rather than just
>>>>> ibogaine hcl...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Sergey Sibirian <
>>>>> sibirianfox at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Junkboy,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> what exactly is the difference between
>>>>>> Extract and Hcl?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (to be honest I thought its the same.
>>>>>> I thought there is the root bark and HCL. Now it adds a third party
>>>>>> to the equation:
>>>>>> extract…)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sergey
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 6:48 PM, junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> myself and everyone that has eaten the roobark has puked IF they ate
>>>>>>> over a soup spoon full of rootbark.. i think you tend to puke less on the
>>>>>>> extract or hcl.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Sergey Sibirian <
>>>>>>> sibirianfox at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Junkboy,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do I get it right?
>>>>>>>> From root bark you puke more then from hcl?
>>>>>>>> It's not the first time I hear it..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can relate to psychedelic mushrooms.
>>>>>>>> If you ingest the mushroom itself, you puke (more chance at least).
>>>>>>>> But if you infuse, make tea from the shroom, you don't puke.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is that the same concept?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sergey
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 1:12 PM, junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you can take it, but be prepared to puke... the most anyone i know
>>>>>>>>> has been able to keep down is a soup spoon full.. i put it in capsules..
>>>>>>>>> put it in a blender first so the large chunks are turned into powder.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 6:22 PM, Pat Gallina <patgallina at icloud.com
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi friends, I've tried hcl before but never rootbark! I ordered
>>>>>>>>>> the 20gram package and it looks like wood chips!! Does anyone know how to
>>>>>>>>>> take it???
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2013, at 8:01 PM, Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Linda,
>>>>>>>>>> I have been off opiots once I did my treatment on Halloween of
>>>>>>>>>> this year. I had been on Methadone and Suboxone maintenance for 13 years
>>>>>>>>>> and was afraid to detox.
>>>>>>>>>> After I did my treatment I was laying around at home a lot and
>>>>>>>>>> didn't know how to be opiot free so I started an intense outpatient program
>>>>>>>>>> that has put me on a schedule.
>>>>>>>>>> Because I had been on Subutex for a few years before treatment I
>>>>>>>>>> had to switch to SAOs like morphine, Vicodin, etc.... I also used Kratom
>>>>>>>>>> which is a completely legal herb.
>>>>>>>>>> I also found out about Ibogaine on a documentary on HBO, then
>>>>>>>>>> started researching within 6 months I did my treatment.
>>>>>>>>>> The only way I was able to make it and fully understand what I
>>>>>>>>>> should not be taking such as SSRIs, was due to the support on this list.
>>>>>>>>>> If you would like to give more information on your son,  the
>>>>>>>>>> people on this list WILL help you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lotsof Love, Val
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> P.S Ibogaine is not a scary experience.
>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2013 9:28 AM, "Linda Fleming" <linel.linda at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Another lock up and talk will not work !! I have been
>>>>>>>>>>> researching ibogaine after seeing
>>>>>>>>>>> A documentary on tv. I know it could help my son ! He is
>>>>>>>>>>> desperate to stop opiates !!
>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone know of a clinic or person who would administer
>>>>>>>>>>> ibogaine in Alberta????
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
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