[Ibogaine] 18-MC Clinical trials.

Jim Hadey3 jimhadey3 at gmail.com
Wed Dec 11 22:04:07 CST 2013


Hi Sis,

If a person has a prolonged qt would it be detected during a normal EKG?
 If it goes too low will a defib help?  Do most places monitor it during
detox?

Just Curious,

  - JIM



On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 10:05 PM, sister <sistereboga at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Qt intervals part of cardiac electrical current  The P Q R S T waves.
>  Prolong qt interval is the time it takes from q wave to t wave.  I would
> draw one but not that savvy on pc.  I know you've seen it some where.
>
> I don't know what else to say but the plant iboga does not knock opiates
> off the receptor.  For instance, the substance Narcan will push the opiate
> off the receptor.
>
> Adding ibogaine on top of methadone and many other meds/substance can
> cause the time from q wave to t wave slow to point of death.  Hopefully
> ones lucky enough to get treated before death.  Treatment as far as I know
> is to pace the heart mechanically.
> Does this clarify?
> Sister
>
> On Dec 11, 2013, at 3:50 PM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Sister,
>
> Can you you please do me (and others I assume) a favour
> and re-write that post in English?
> IN ENGLISH.
>
> I'm asking not to be hard or whatnot, but coz I want to know your opinion
> on
> this matter.
>
> What exactly is "prolonged QT"?
>
> Then, the following sentence makes no sense TO ME, I don't know about
> others…
> "...Second reason... Long acting, ibo does not push opiated off receptor
> site.  So how effective of you want tx to be?
>
> I know no one ask but sorta sensitive about this , I lost a friend for her
> inpatients, misinformation given to her about safety of mixing the two
> substances.  Unnessasary death.
> "
>
> Which "two substances"?
>
> Peace
>
> Sergey
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Sister <sistereboga at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Well.. My take is this .  We KNOW methadone has high potential to prolong
>> qt.  it's documented by way too many studies.  As an er nurse seen many
>> times methadone addicts coming in complaining of sudden onset of severe
>> tiredness, weakness etc.  On assessment new med added.    Then do EKG and
>> find prolong qt.  what ever new med stopped.  We also know ibogaine can
>> also prolong qt, So increasing risk for death.
>> Second reason... Long acting, ibo does not push opiated off receptor
>> site.  So how effective of you want tx to be?
>>
>> I know no one ask but sorta sensitive about this , I lost a friend for
>> her inpatients, misinformation given to her about safety of mixing the two
>> substances.  Unnessasary death.
>>
>> Smooth journey,
>> Sister
>>
>> On Dec 10, 2013, at 5:20 PM, junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> sub is worse the methadone in my opinion.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Annette Dilucchio <dilucch at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Just wanted to share this response I rec'd when I volunteered myself as
>>> a subject in the clinical trials scheduled to begin next month on 18-MC.
>>>  From what I make of it, the participants who will determine the safety of
>>> this drug for addiction will not be in active addiction but rather healthy
>>> individuals who've agreed to take the medication in order to document the
>>> resulting physical side effects.
>>>
>>> As for me, Danielle thank you once again for your always comical and
>>> well thought out input on my circumstances. I got called into work for my
>>> mom last minute yesterday so my Dr.'s Appt has been rescheduled  for
>>> Thursday. Which gives me time to think about how to get something useful
>>> out of my visit. O-o  I got another month of methadone which knowing what I
>>> know now feels more like a sentence of doom than any kind of relief. I
>>> cannot believe I've signed on for another month of this unforgiving poison.
>>> Does suboxone do what methadone does to your tolerance of opiates? Or does
>>> it just HANG AROUND FOR 3 months??? I cannot decide which is the lesser of
>>> these two evils. Why doesn't David Graham mention Short-Acting Opiates in
>>> his successful ibogaine EXP? Anyhoo- hope all is well.
>>>
>>> Sincerely-  Annette
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>> *From:* Stephen Hurst <slhurst at savanthwp.com>
>>> *Date:* December 9, 2013 at 3:43:20 PM PST
>>> *To:* Annette Dilucchio <dilucch at gmail.com>
>>> *Subject:* *Re: Clinical trials.*
>>>
>>> Dear Annette,
>>>
>>> Thank you for your interest in Savant HWP and our
>>> addiction medicine project.  Unfortunately, it will be a while before
>>> 18-MC is available to patients in the US.  Human studies begin early next
>>> year but the initial trials will be in healthy volunteers in an effort to
>>> determine safe dosage levels before treating patients.  Our first
>>> obligation is to be sure the drug is not harmful and it will take at
>>> least
>>> a
>>> year to establish safety before treating patients.  I encourage you to
>>> check our website from time to time where we will post information about
>>> clinical trials as it becomes available.  In the meantime, we wish you
>>> all
>>> the best in your recovery efforts.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephen L. Hurst, JD
>>> President & CEO
>>> Savant HWP, Inc.
>>> 655 Skyway Road, Suite 212
>>> San Carlos, CA 94070
>>>
>>>
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> *Wish you well*
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> Sergey
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