[Ibogaine] Post Ibo

Sergey Sibirian sibirianfox at gmail.com
Wed Dec 11 14:46:39 CST 2013


Danielle,

Extremists tend to be addicts.
Addicts tend to be extremists.

i don't know which one comes first. T
The addict?
The extremist?

They're very much, very much related obviously.

Peace

Sergey


On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 4:37 AM, danielle <danielle6175 at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> I'm awake again...don't worry as soon as I start sleeping; which I'm told
> one day will happen, I'll cease to be a non stop presence here.  Meanwhile
> bare with me as expressing my thoughts helps to pull my brain out of hyper
> overdrive.
> I spent a lot of time reading through the archives and honestly there's
> about 3 great novels AT LEAST wrapped up in those bad boys.  PLUS I'm gonna
> have to say that people with the "disease" (vice, struggle, monkey,
> whatever...) of addiction are very seriously funny (in that order).  I'm
> not kidding; the questions, and the fights, and the rants and the
> hysterical verbal mushroom clouds (I'm guilty of that last one) are a
> comedians dream come true for original material.
>
> Anyways; I have a question regarding Post Ibogaine Life:  I've got things
> somewhat handled physically.  Ya know the painful part of withdrawal is
> behind me. BUT if I were to step back and be real with myself about my
> expectations I must say that one of the most important, HOPES I have in
> this treatment is that it free's me from the insatiable vortex that's
> ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS there weather I'm actively engaged in a
> spiral/addiction or not.  I'm mean; my flavor of the week is opiates but if
> it isn't that it's something else that I take to the umpteenth level of a
> manic extreme.  If I had to put into one word the satisfaction I get when a
> high is settling in; it's that I feel "complete".  Seriously it fills this
> CONSTANT unrelenting NEEEEEEEEEEED that has been a part of me since I can
> remember.  NO MATTER where I am, what I'm doing, or who I'm with, this
> swirling abyss is there.  It's more pronounced when I have a lot of stress,
> but really; my life could be PERFECT and it will still be there taunting
> me.  Is that the rest of my life?  Is the rest of my life making sure that
> my schedule is so jam packed, and my mind is so occupied that I don't have
> the time, strength or energy to stop and acknowledge the wolf in my soul?
>  If that's the case; I don't see that as freedom, or peace.  Maybe frantic
> denial, but not real healing.
>
>
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> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 13:17:33 -0500
> From: Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Help in Alberta?
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> Hi Linda,
>
> My name is Sergey.
> there is a clinic not far from you, relatively,-it's in Vancouver.
> There's also one in Toronto.
>
> I'm in Montreal and I've been researching Ibo for at least a year.
> So all the info I meticulously collected over this period is yours, just
> ask.
>
> There are certain ways/protocols to follow before a Ibo flood.
> A very, very important point to grasp, is that what Ibo does,
> is it interrupts the bio-neurological addiction.
> The physical part, so to speak.
>
> But it's not a magic wand.
> Addiction involves MUCH, MUCH more then the physical part.
> It is also a sickness of the soul, the mind.
>
> Other then that there is a protocol to follow to greatly increase the
> chances
> of success.
> If your son is on a LONG acting opioid, such as methadone or Subaxone,
> it is strongly advised to switch to a SHORT acting opioid, or SAO, for AT
> LEAST
> 2 months before Ibo.
>
> Let me give you some research material.
> Look, inform yourself.
>
> Ibogamind.com
> http://iceers.org/use-of-iboga.php#.UqEUBqUzL1p
> http://opioidaddiction.weebly.com
> http://www.ibogaine.org/index.html
> http://www.ibogaworld.com
> subsux.com
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proglumide
> http://www.myeboga.org
> Ibo fatalities- Google
> Search<https://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=Ken+alper+iceers>
> http://ibogalife.com/iboga-judgement-day-iceers/
> http://kratomassociation.org
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUPFHF8khxY&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PL1DF6F7219910257B
>
> I myself am still preparing for Ibo, although it's been a while I'm not
> using.
> There are people here who have been clean for long periods of time through
> the root.
> You'll meet them, they are always eager to help people in need.
> Jim, Jeff, Sister, Randy, Chris, Matt, Mi go and many others whom I forgot
> to mention.
>
>
> Good luck.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Linda Fleming <linel.linda at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Another lock up and talk will not work !! I have been researching
> ibogaine
> > after seeing
> > A documentary on tv. I know it could help my son ! He is desperate to
> stop
> > opiates !!
> > Does anyone know of a clinic or person who would administer ibogaine in
> > Alberta????
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> Hi Danielle,
>
> I believe it is against the law to give an addict any drug for detox other
> than sub or met as far as opiates go but maybe the Dr will go along with
> you.  If you have any pain or injury you may have a better chance for he
> might be able to say I was treating her for whatever for pain not addiction
> and could have a legitimate reason.
>
> Wish ya the best,
>
>   - JIM
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 3:32 AM, danielle yates
> <danielle6175 at sbcglobal.net>wrote:
>
> > Okay; I'm sorry for talking so much but I have NOTHING to do in the
> middle
> > of the night and I haven't slept in 4 months (due to the whole; clean
> > livin' trial run I'm doing) so just bare with me.
> > @ Annette; I've been stressing on your behalf because it is a roll of
> dice
> > as to how your Doc App is going to go on Monday.  The outcome depends on
> if
> > this Doc is comfortable taking on your case.  Also how much exposure they
> > have to addiction and addiction medicine.  Some docs won't touch these
> sort
> > of cases with a 10 ft. pole.
> > Right as I was about to throw back 15-20 Tylenol PM's I thought of the
> > PERFECT answer for you!
> > The recruiting for the 18-MC trials are STARTING in January!!  It's here
> > in CA in San Carlos and it's with Savant HWP.
> > They will be recruiting for people with a Morphine addiction and testing
> > this new drug on them.  I'll pm you all the correspondence and contact
> info
> > I have.  SO; what I'm thinking is before your app arm yourself with a
> > simple, well researched  Plan...Most Doctors like it when their patients
> > are their own advocates as long as the patient is still willing to listen
> > to the Docs idea's and be compliant (it's a fine line when it comes to
> this
> > type of communication so tread lightly).  I don't actually know what the
> > path from this to Ibogaine would be as 18-MC is basically an extract of
> > Ibogaine...nor do I know if your the time table of your methadone use
> will
> > be a factor.  It's an option to consider.  I promised the CEO I'd have my
> > "addiction pendulum" swinging in the morphine directions in 2014 but
> > hopefully that a promise I get to break. : )
> > Is your Doc a male/female?  How old?  What's their specialty?...(I'll
> > explain why I want to know in a sec).
> > If there is anyone on here with more credible or detailed info than me
> > feel free to speak up.  I'm a novice in this stuff so it won't hurt my
> > feelings if what I'm suggesting is in someway harmful and I'm not seeing
> it.
> > Okay; good night everyone!  Have sweet dreams!
> > Danielle
> >
> >
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> > inside MindVox? (Annette Dilucchio) 3. Re: side note on Heroin music
> > (Sergey) (Sergey Sibirian)
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> > Message: 1 Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 11:00:23 -0800 (PST) From: danielle
> yates To: "
> > ibogaine at mindvox.com"  Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Annette, Sergey,
> > Isabelle...everyone Message-ID: <
> > 1386442823.79011.YahooMailNeo at web184306.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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> > text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" @ Randy; I thought you were oddly
> > quiet...not that we've ever interacted one-on-one but I've enjoyed
> reading
> > your comments. ?I understand the complacency thing. ?I have a bad habit
> of
> > putting my head in the sand when the whirlwind starts to blow. ? Also;
> has
> > anyone heard from Mi Go? ?I forgot if he mentioned when he'll be back.
> ?Mi
> > Go if you read this I'm givin you a shout out! ?You are missed and I hope
> > you're ?having a nice/safe trip. ?Be good!? @ Annette; I know it's crazy
> > scary downsizing from methadone...to be honest I have no idea what the
> doc
> > will say. ?For now cut those 'dones in 1/2 so you can be prepared for the
> > worst case scenario. ?Whatever the outcome; your health must come first.
> > ?For me; these downshifts or "tapering" phases have been when I've been
> the
> > most vulnerable to a binge (of one form or another) and believe me I
> > fascinate myself at how creative I can be in "going out in a BLAAAAAZE OF
> > GLORAAAY!!! (I like to keep my Husbands life exciting)...Anywhoooo; ?If
> you
> > end up getting "thrown from the next" in regards to your access to
> > maintenance/tapering drugs do you have a good support system at home? ?I
> > don't know any easy way out of this. ?I stopped Methadone "cold turkey"
> > which WAS NOT the smartest thing I've ever done. ?Now that it's in my
> rear
> > view mirror I can say with complete confidence that all your energy, and
> > youthful vibrancy will come back at MACH 10 hyper drive... it's just that
> > you'll pretty much feel like the Queen Of Satan for about 3 months before
> > that happens. ?Well I did anyways. ?Which is where places like this forum
> > come in. ?I've had ya'll duct taped to me for quite a while. ?It helps me
> > when I start to pay too much attention to mischief, and then I feel like
> > there eye's on me...: ) Also; this is the deal on aging. ?It's ridiculous
> > for us to worry about aging while were in our 30's. ?PLUS;?40's is the
> new
> > 30's and these two decades are our prime! ?Let's not miss out on the
> phase
> > of life we're in because of the IRRELEVANT parts of our culture that
> shame
> > us on age and body image. ?They only have as much power as we allow. ?I
> > plan to have as much fun as humanly possible transitioning from Cat to
> > Cougar and I don't think I'll apologize for that. ?In other words "enjoy
> > the season your in". ? @ Jim; I'm off to unisolate myself. : )...one of
> my
> > favorite social pass times is cornering poor unsuspecting women in the
> > Sauna at my Gym and telling them my life story. ?It's like free
> therapy...:
> > ) ?Seriously; girl locker room talk makes the menfolk look like
> saints... @
> > Sergey I LOVED reading the links on Intelligence. ?You can learn a lot
> > about yourself that way. ?I have a ZERO score on the Math/Logic
> > description. ?Common Sense is overrated...(jk) Have a great weekend
> > everyone! ?I'll let you know if anything salacious or scandalous happens
> at
> > the Gym...I'm sorry but I need to find my adrenaline rush somewhere now
> > that I'm a livin all "healthy". ?The boredom is enough to kill me!
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> > Message: 1 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 10:48:43 -0800 (PST) From: danielle
> yates To: "
> > ibogaine at mindvox.com"  Subject: [Ibogaine] how do I get friends
> validated
> > inside MindVox? Message-ID: <
> > 1386355723.984.YahooMailNeo at web184306.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type:
> > text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This is a test. ?This is only a
> test...did
> > my reply just hit one thread or did it resend the whole list out? ?I'm
> not
> > that incredibly savvy with technology. ?Not because I can't figure it
> out;
> > more so because I don't care. ?But; in the hopes of not jamming everyones
> > email traffic, did I do this right? ?I was just going down the archive
> and
> > replying as that was a way better way to track and read...whoops.
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> > 449833F8-647B-4EB9-AEBC-14EB01F3EA39 at gmail.com> Content-Type:
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> > charset="utf-8" I agree with Sergey on the needle thing. When I decided
> to
> > try heroin, I had been on drugs already for ten years but I had reached a
> > point where I did not care if I lived or died. My boyfriend that I lived
> > with had just bought me a brand new Z-4 but he was an addict as well, and
> > had kicked me out of the house more than once, I was estranged from my
> > family and I hated my life. I was raised better than to be a junkie. I
> > swear it is this knowledge that has fed the insecurity that being an
> addict
> > breeds in me today. I simply never had a skeleton in my closet to blame
> my
> > addictive behaviors on. The worst thing that could happen to a person
> (that
> > has happened to me) IMHO is that they could be a "functioning addict"
> their
> > entire life. It is like I've managed to get by with all of my teeth in
> tact
> > (the last dentist I went to told me I must have half a million dollars of
> > dental work in my mouth), graduate from college, have a child, a nice
> condo
> > to live in, always a nice car to drive, etc. AL L bc I've had the perfect
> > enablers to keep me afloat. Instead of feeling accomplished at 39 years
> > old, I feel like I am still about 18 years old.? Well maybe 21
> mentally.? I
> > am a young person trapped in what feels like a suddenlyolder woman's
> body.
> > Seems like out of no where I have aches when I get up, I am able to nap
> on
> > command, I am getting gray hair!!! Ahhhh!! I thought I'd never get old
> and
> > I didn't start to feel it till about a year ago. Now that I think about
> it,
> > this whole thing was exaggerated ten fold by my switching off of suboxone
> > three months ago!! I'm afraid I'll never have the energy I need to get
> off
> > of opiates completely. Probably ditching my 60 MGs of Prozac a month ago
> > was a contributing factor. Anyway.. The reason I'm piping up is this. Is
> it
> > not something that doctors understand that to get opiate free, it would
> be
> > in the patients best interest to quit or jump off from SAOs vs. sub or
> > methadone? Am I wrong to assume that the goal is to get off of the long
> > acting ones whether you are doing an ibogaine treatment or not? Isn't it
> > easier on your body regardless? Why does it seem like the ibogaine list
> > knows this but the medical field helps addicts to quit with only
> methadone
> > or suboxone?? I am down to two 10 mg methadone pills and plan to see a dr
> > Monday to ask for an Rx for SAOS to ween off methadone. Is he gonna laugh
> > in my face?? Also... At Sergey where can I learn more about the different
> > kinds of intelligence? That was very interesting to me:-D . Thanks in
> > advance!? Danielle hang in there!? And you are doing good. Don't forget
> to
> > acknowledge your progress. Like you told me ..it's baby steps in the
> right
> > direction (life). May the odds be always in the favor of each and every
> one
> > of you! Annette Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone On Dec 6, 2013,
> at
> > 12:02 PM, Sergey Sibirian  wrote: Jim, others?. Anyone who can stick a
> > needle full of soul-devouring, body-rotting poison inside his vein
> doesn't
> > love himself. Or doesn't love himself ENOUGH. Or doesn't love himself
> YET.
> > Or """"? ? ? ""? ? ? """? ? ? AS A WHOLE. Or, either, etc, etc? But the
> > "NOT LOVE" is always there. I watched a BBC docu recently about IQ and
> > different types of intelligence. In short, the conclusion was that IQ
> test
> > is pretty much BS in terms of assessing A person's intelligence. WHY???
> > BECAUSE THERE ARE AT LEAST 7 TYPES OF INTELLIGENCES, plus sub-groups...
> 1.1
> > Musical 1.2 Spatial 1.3 Verbal?linguistic 1.4 Logical?mathematical 1.5
> > Bodily?kinesthetic 1.6 Interpersonal 1.7 Intrapersonal 1.8 Naturalistic
> 1.9
> > Existential So to measure a person's intelligence with a standardized,
> VERY
> > narrow calibrated IQ test is like?. I don't know? It's like saying a car
> is
> > good or bad by measuring how fast it can reach 100 km/h. 3 sec? Great! 10
> > sec? Boooo!!!?. But then there's the reliability, the design, the resale
> > value, the spaciousness, the longevity of life, the maintenance cost,
> etc,
> > etc?. So my point is: WE ALL HAVE OUR STRONG SIDE. BUT THE SOCIETY JUDGES
> > YOUR "SUCCESS" BY THE AMOUNT OF MONEY YOU HAVE IN YOUR BANK. By the house
> > you live in, the car you drive, the number of vacations you can afford,
> the
> > size of the diamond ring your wife has? The society is sick. Or I prefer
> > "NOT YET EVOLVED ENOUGH" Like a child. If every individual was given a
> > chance to become HIS STRONGEST in life, TO DEVELOP HIS TALENT, TO BE
> > APPRECIATED AND LOVED, NEEDED BY SOCIETY?.. We judge ourselves through
> the
> > eyes of others. It took me some time to fully understand that one? If
> every
> > individual was given a place depending on his talent. I keep saying IF,
> IF,
> > IF. I SHOULD SAY "WHEN". WHEN EVERY INDIVIDUAL?. We are evolving as
> humans.
> > Like I told Danielle, just 200 years ago, a man had to plow 12 hours a
> day
> > and would die by the age of 40, a complete wreck? Today we have countries
> > like Canada, where medical care is free for everyone, and where the poor
> > have a safety net (welfare, shelters, food banks?) Internet. Man on the
> > moon, probes on Mars, Venus, Moons of Jupiter, one probe is even leaving
> > our solar system. Human genome project. Artificial limbs DNA sequencing
> > Bio-printing, promise of replacement organs and limbs FROM YOUR OWN
> > stem-cells. SO ON!!! One day this period will be looked upon as medieval
> > times, as something ephemeral, unreal, forgotten in the past and buried
> > with the barbaric ancestors?. Phew! I get carried away with this type of
> > subjects. Wish you well people Sergey > On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:28 PM,
> Jim
> > Hadey3  wrote: > > Hi Danielle, > > >>> we are learning & evolving! I
> > never understood addiction being referred to as a "disease"? <<< > > Some
> > people says it is a disease some say it is being weak.? People who are
> > diabetics take a shot two or three times a day because they have sugar
> > diabetes but addicts can not take a shot or two a day because they need
> > it.? If your feeling down and out, lonely, depressed, angry, etc and ya
> > take a shot of heroin you feel much better.? Kind of a strange analogy of
> > course we know that don't work all that well.? > > >>> What am I not
> facing
> > or dealing with that is causing me to run?" Inevitably that thought
> process
> > brings me to rehashing memories that I still don't know how to
> understand.
> > <<< > > I am just a guy on the internet and not a shrink but on the
> problem
> > above you may need professional help like a therapist or something.? It
> is
> > causing you a lot of pain, suffering and mental anguish.? Try it out for
> a
> > month and see if it helps - just and idea. > > >>> ... Which starts a
> self
> > destructive spiral of trying to make sense or find closure on things that
> > will never unhappen. <<< > > To me you sound like a very unhappy person
> > with a lot of problems.? I really do not like to talk about NA and things
> > like that on this forum.? I bring it up only because two days ago we had
> > the subject 'Do you love yourself?'.? Kind of a strange topic and many
> > addicts did not love themselves, could this be a problem for you??? A guy
> > said what I have heard before - You forgive others why not forgive
> > yourself?? Or God (if you believe - not going there)? forgives others and
> > he will forgive you too.? I am not going to ask what you did that was so
> > bad but I doubt you ever killed anyone or ran over anyone with a car on
> > purpose and I bet you never robbed a bank or shoot up a school full of
> > kids.? I don't think your as bad a person as you think, your letter was
> > beautiful, it also showed intelligence.? You just got to get yourself on
> > the right track.? I am not a shrink or therapist but I do feel your
> pain.?
> > How do you get on the right track I have no idea.? I guess it is
> different
> > for each person and set of problems they face and may very well be trial
> > and error? therapists, shrinks, meetings, etc.? > > Are you by any chance
> > isolating?? I was down to using $10 of heroin a month - a month.? I
> wanted
> > to be off completely but I had to use once month or have w/d symptoms.?
> > Sister told me I was isolating and to go to a meeting and it was so
> strange
> > that I went.? After all I am not the type to go to a meeting because some
> > chick 100s of miles away told me to but for some reason I did.? I still
> > shot up once a month for 5 months and have been free for 2.5 years. > > I
> > wish you the best and hope you find happiness, yeah finding happiness is
> > pretty hard now a daz, maybe that's why we used dope.? Please keep
> trying,
> > get help, talk to people on this forum as I found this forum has been
> very
> > helpful.? This is not a regular forum but you know that.? BTW - nice
> baby.
> > > > Best, > >? - JIM > > > > Which starts a self destructive spiral of
> > trying to make sense or find closure on things that will never unhappen.
> >
> > > >> On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 11:12 AM, danielle yates  wrote: >> @
> > Annette; I know it wasn't funny but when you shared your "Green Gatorade"
> > warning I did accidentally laugh some of my coffee into my nose.? NOT
> > because addiction is funny; but when you just step back and think about
> the
> > things we are willing to do to fix ourselves it's a dark comedy.? Except
> > it's happening to us so it isn't funny.? Hang in there honey...I have no
> > logistical advice but I got your back.? You don't even want to know some
> of
> > things I was willing to do to get my hands on Ibogaine (I'll p.m. you the
> > Saga).? There was something so intoxicating about the hope of being freed
> > from the torture of my compulsions.? There still is...? P.S.? I will
> never
> > look @ green Gatorade the same again. >> >> @ Sergey; thank God we are
> > learning & evolving!? I never understood addiction being referred to as a
> > "disease" but I can absolutely see how a physiological, genetic,
> chemical,
> > and/or environmental predisposition can create a perfect storm.? I
> watched
> > a Documentary about the opiate epidemic in Afghanistan.? Sadly; their
> rehab
> > clinics were very primitive.? I felt their approach was well meaning but
> > their whole recovery model was centered around shame and toughening up,
> > with a condemning religious overtures thrown in.? Maybe they didn't get
> the
> > memo on how an addict will beat themselves down and damn themselves to
> Hell
> > far better than any external source so if confessing and embracing that
> > their a piece of shit would've solved their problem they'd have put this
> > behind them a long time ago.? >> >> Evidence based information that not
> > only offers cause & effect understanding but nuts-and-bolts practical
> > application are the most refreshing and effective sources of change for
> > me.? Also; this type of human interaction where I'm in a safe, loving
> > environment but completely transparent. That's a whole new concept for me
> > and I love it. >> >> @ Isabelle if you could look through your computer
> and
> > have seen me after your encouraging words to Eddie you would have seen me
> > giving you a Standing Ovation Whooping Round-of-Applause.? Every word you
> > said resonated with me...I know you were talking to Eddie but there was a
> > lot of wisdom I had no problem applying to me.? I hope you speak up
> more!?
> > >> >> So let me ask you this:? I want a genuine Body, Soul, and Spirit
> > recovery.? Right now I'm on a "clean streak" but I'm by no means
> > liberated.? My brain, emotions, body, EVERYTHING is just waiting for
> when I
> > get to "check out again."? If I told myself that I was never going to
> abuse
> > whatever it is again I'd probably give myself a nervous breakdown because
> > the life sentence of being trapped in my own head uninterrupted is a fate
> > worse than death to me and I mean that literally.? I'll go in these
> cycles
> > where I get so frustrated with all my dysfunction and I feel panicked to
> > fix myself so I'll think to myself: "What is it that brought me to this
> > place?? What am I not facing or dealing with that is causing me to run?"?
> > Inevitably that thought process brings me to rehashing memories that I
> > still don't know how to understand.? Which starts a self destructive
> spiral
> > of trying to make sense or find closure on things that will never
> > unhappen.? They will be trapped in my fucking skull foreve r.? No matter
> > where I go they be there...ready for me to remember.? So then I slip
> into a
> > victim mentality, and I know I'm doing it but usually by this stage of
> the
> > spiral I'm so pissed about everything I just feel like I just relived
> that
> > I feel justified in the fact that there were some legitimate sadistic
> > fucking bullshit that I need to get over.? Then I ping pong from victim
> > mentality to anger because when I feel angry I feel strong.? Almost all
> the
> > other form of emotions make me feel weak, which makes me feel scared
> which
> > makes me furious!!? Are you seeing the cycle here?? So how do I reconcile
> > the undealt with factors that "feed my need" without caving into the
> victim
> > mentality, self hatred, self destructive, or despairing way of thinking??
> > How do I wrap my mind around my history, present, or future without
> sending
> > myself into a full blown tail spin YET being real with myself about the
> > factors that I need to acknowledge? >> From: "
> ibogaine-request at mindvox.com"
> >  >> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com >> Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 5:45 PM
> > >> Subject: Ibogaine Digest, Vol 70, Issue 8 >> >> Send Ibogaine mailing
> > list submissions to ibogaine at mindvox.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via
> > the World Wide Web, visit
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> > Today's Topics: 1. Re: how do I get friends validated inside MindVox?
> (Jim
> > Hadey3) 2. Re: (no subject) (Sergey Sibirian) 3. Re: how do I get friends
> > validated inside MindVox? (Valarie) 4. Re: side note on Heroin music
> > (Sergey Sibirian) 5. Re: (no subject) (Valarie) 6. Re: Anyone remember???
> > (Sergey Sibirian) 7. Re: Ibogaine affordably? (Sergey Sibirian) 8. Re:
> (no
> > subject) (Valarie) 9. Re: how do I get friends validated inside MindVox?
> > (Pat Gallina) 10. Re: how do I get friends validated inside MindVox? (Pat
> > Gallina) 11. Re: side note on heroin m usic (Danielle) (Sergey Sibirian)
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Message: 1 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 13:30:30 -0500 From: Jim Hadey3 To: The
> > Ibogaine List Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how do I get friends validated
> inside
> > MindVox? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi
> Pat
> > In all due respect you should learn more before taking it. In answer to
> > your question you compute you dose like this: 180 weight ----- == 82
> > (rounded) KG 2.2 Amount you want to take - you convert grams to
> milligrams
> > by multiplying by 1000. Example 1 gram weighs 1000 mg 2 grams weighs 2000
> > mg 1.5 grams weight 1500 mg So take you weight into grams and divide into
> > the amount of HCL you think you want to take. We will use 2 grams for an
> > example 2000 MG Which is two grams ------ 82 divide by weight in KG and
> you
> > get 24.69 mg/kg - way too high You are looking for an number between 15
> and
> > 20. Now lets use 1.5 gm which is 1500 mg 1500 ------ = 18.29 so round to
> > 18.3 g m 82 For me 18.3 grams did the trick, done cracked ma head, but
> > everything is OK now. I would not want to go any higher it was the
> perfect
> > dose for me. Being an addict we all want more or the highest dose we can
> > get. It depends on what your trying to kick, if you trying to kick Sub or
> > Methadone you will most likely fail, most who have tried that failed.
> They
> > tried hard too but after feeling so weak and bad you just can't take it
> > anymore. Also, don't think your now clean and can use now and then for
> that
> > will not work, ask anybody. Again you should learn a bit more about the
> > drug for it is not like any other drug you have ever taken. This forum
> is a
> > good place to get info. I thinks a few yashoulds may be helpful so ya
> > should have an experienced sitter, ya should keep the puke bucket with
> you
> > at all times, ya should not expect to take it Friday and be at work
> Monday,
> > ya should not be taking any SSRIs or NIs and a bunch more. I wish you the
> > best of luck and I am sure the others on the forum do too. Ask any
> > questions before taking the Exp. Best, - JIM On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:36
> > AM, Pat Gallina wrote: > Hi friends, does anyone know what kind of dosage
> > if I take ibogaine > hydrochloride I don't know the amount of dosage I
> > should take I am make 35 > years old 180 pounds does anybody know what
> kind
> > of dosage I should take in > milligrams?? Thanks friends > > Sent from my
> > iPhone > > On Dec 4, 2013, at 9:46 PM, Valarie wrote: > > Jeff, Don't
> scare
> > me! Lol. > I still never found the email. Although I did see it with the
> > link Patrick > provided, so it must be my email account. > On Dec 4, 2013
> > 6:43 PM, "Jeff G" wrote: > >> I think it's an illuminati conspiracy
> Val....
> > >> Watch your back. >> Jeff >> On Dec 4, 2013 5:58 PM, "Valarie" wrote:
> >>
> > >>> Thanks Patrick, That must be what it is, because I still don't see it
> > on >>> my end. >>> How embarrassing I'm glad I didn't keep posting until
> I
> > saw it. >>> <3 Val >>> On Dec 4, 2013 9:28 AM, "Patrick K. Kroupa" wrote:
> > >>> >>>> You've actually posted it twice now. >>>> >>>> To see what
> > everybody else sees, look at the archives, which are: >>>>
> > http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/ >>>> >>>> For December, it'd
> > be: >>>>
> http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/2013-December/date.html>>>>
> >>>> You've sent 2 messages called "Silver" at this point. >>>> >>>>
> > There is occasional lag because the list is very large, new accounts >>>>
> > are added, old ones that unsubscribe or start bouncing are automagically
> > >>>> removed, but the membership has hovered at about 10,000 subscribers
> > for >>>> half a decade or so. >>>> >>>> Lag means: it may take 3 minutes
> > from the time you hit send, until the >>>> time everybody receives your
> > message, but there is never a time where it'll >>>> take hours or days,
> > unless there are technical problems, which can happen, >>>> but it tends
> to
> > happen for everybody, not just one person, and is at our >>>> end. There
> > haven't been any issues for a few months since we finished >>>> transiti
> > oning the list to new servers. >>>> >>>> Not seeing your own posts can
> > relate to either your own list settings >>>> -- you've told the mailing
> > list not to send duplicate copies, and mail you >>>> back your own posts
> > which are already sitting in your Sent mail box -- or >>>> how you've
> > configured your email client (look in your spam folder, if >>>> they're
> in
> > there, check them and mark them as Not Spam). >>>> >>>> On Dec 4, 2013,
> at
> > 11:15 AM, Valarie wrote: >>>> >>>> > A new thread from me? >>>> > Weird,
> I
> > don't see it anywhere, I see Silver's post asking Patrick >>>> how to
> post
> > that's it. >>>> > Thank you for letting me know. >>>> > <3 Val >>>> >
> >>>>
> > > On Dec 4, 2013 8:13 AM, "junkboy64" wrote: >>>> > It posted. I saw it
> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first
> > nationwide 4G network. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -------- Original
> > message -------- >>>> > From: Valarie >>>> > Date: 12/04/2013 8:11 AM
> > (GMT-07:00) >>>> > To: The Ibogaine List >>>> > Subject: Re : [Ibogaine]
> > how do I get friends validated inside MindVox? >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > I
> > created a new post on Monday night and it still hasn't posted. >>>> > So
> I
> > re-sent it last night and it still has not posted. >>>> > I double
> checked
> > my email, it shows I sent it right. >>>> > Is this happening to anyone
> > else? >>>> > <3 Val >>>> > >>>> > On Dec 3, 2013 3:22 PM, "Vector Vector"
> > >>>> wrote: >>>> > Ok duh I missed invite friends the first 15 times it
> got
> > mentioned >>>> ;-) Thanks, that clarified a lot. >>>> >>>> >>>> -=[)
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> > -0500 From: Sergey Sibirian To: The Ibogaine List Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]
> > (no subject) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Val,
> to
> > be honest Val, I'm not sure which video Jim is referring to? I post a lot
> > of stuff, much of which is just annoying? :D (it might be the "Detox or
> > Die" video) Sergey ? On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 4:03 AM, Valarie wrote: > Jim
> > you do your homework! . > Sergie I must have missed the video Jim is
> > referring to, can you repost it > or just email it to me? Thank you. > <3
> > Val > On Dec 1, 2013 12:39 AM, "Randy Faulconer" wrote: > >> Jim is the
> man
> > >> >> Randy >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 12:47 AM, Sergey Sibirian
> > wrote: >> >>> Jim! >>> >>> I just put a bright star next to this
> particular
> > thread. >>> SO i can easily spot itpo >>> Honestly though, what you did,
> > the research you carried out is simply >>> priceless. >>> Or there is a
> > price: HOURS OF MY TIME. >>> >>> Plus, to be able to spot the right/mot
> > relevant info is nothing short of >>> serious skill >>> >>> Thanks agsin.
> > >>> >>> Sergey >>> >>> So I'm early grateful. >>> I'll go through every
> > link >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Jim Hadey3 wrote: >>>
> > >>>> >>>> Hi Serge, >>>> >>>> Google reverse opiate tolerance this is the
> > first page. >>>> >>>> (opioids) Is it possible to reverse opioid tole
> > rance? - Bluelight >>>> >>>>
> >
> www.bluelight.ru/vb/.../637458-Is-it-possible-to-reverse-opioid-toleranc.
> ..
> > >>>> ? >>>> >>>> >>>> Aug 15, 2012 - 25 posts - ?17 authors >>>> I often
> > hear people say the only thing that can reverse tolerance to >>>> opioids
> > is time without taking the drug, or that you can only slow the >>>>
> > ...(opioids) Using naloxone to counter tolerance 14 posts May 11, 2012
> >>>>
> > DXM - The Opiate Addicts's Miracle Drug, PLEASE READ 25 posts Aug 18,
> >>>>
> > 2010 >>>> NMDA antagonists for tolerance, a collection of the ... 25
> posts
> > May 5, >>>> 2010 >>>> Preventing/reducing opiate tolerance 25 posts Jul
> 10,
> > 2007 >>>> More results from www.bluelight.ru >>>> >>>> Tryptophan
> loading
> > may reverse tolerance to opiate analgesics in ... >>>>
> > www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7454382? >>>> >>>> by Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 -
> > ?Cited by 55 - ?Related articles >>>> Five patients on chronic opiate
> > medication to treat low-back and leg >>>> pain were determined to have
> > developed opiate tolerance on the ? basis of >>>> their failure to ...
> >>>>
> > Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing Receptor Sensitivity ... >>>>
> > www.drugs-forum.com ? ... ? DRUG-FORUMS ? Opiates & Opioids? >>>> >>>>
> > >>>> Oct 11, 2008 - 26 posts - ?1 author >>>> Pharmacology - Opioid
> > Tolerance: Reversing Receptor Sensitivity ... and >>>> can prevent or
> even
> > reverse the development of tolerance to opioid >>>> ...Tolerance - Does
> > tolerance never fully go away? 9 posts Sep 6, 2012 >>>> Combinations -
> > Dandelion Root for Opiate Tolerance 2 posts Jan 11, 2011 >>>> Addiction -
> > Resetting a Kratom tolerance 26 posts Apr 8, 2010 >>>> Effects - Possible
> > reverse tolerance? 10 posts Jan 28, 2010 >>>> More results from
> > www.drugs-forum.com >>>> >>>> Reversing Opioid Tolerance - Chronic Pain
> -
> > HealingWell.com Forum >>>> www.healingwell.com ? ... ? Diseases &
> > Conditions ? Chronic Pain? >>>> >>>> >>>> May 23, 2010 - 8 posts - ?4
> > authors >>>> I have been using opioid (tramadol, hydrocodone and
> oxycodone)
> > for 6 >>>> years, ... Though ? there are drugs to permanently reverse
> > tolerance for ... >>>> Changing concepts of opioid tolerance >>>>
> > www.painresearch.utah.edu/cancerpain/ch20.html? >>>> >>>> >>>> What
> these
> > classical studies showed is that tolerance does develop to >>>> opioid
> > ..... are associated with dramatic reduction in pain and rapid >>>>
> > reversal of tolerance. >>>> Opioids, Cannabinoids, and reverse tolerance
> -
> > Social Anxiety Forum >>>> www.socialanxietysupport.com ? ... ? Recovery
> ?
> > Medication? >>>> >>>> >>>> Nov 11, 2010 - 14 posts - ?8 authors >>>>
> > According to this research video, they found that THC can synergize >>>>
> > with Opioids and decrease and even reverse opioid tolerance. I got my ...
> > >>>> Does anything other than TIME lower tolerance? [Archive ... >>>>
> > forum.opiophile.org/archive/index.php/t-1447.html? >>>> >>>> >>>> Feb 8,
> > 2006 - 16 posts - ?11 authors >>>> The drugs-Hydroxyzine(produces a rough
> > "doubling" of opiate effects ... >>>> effectiveness AND the
> > prevention/reversal of tolerance thr ough the use ... >>>> [PDF] >>>>
> > Inhibition of opiate tolerance by non-competitive N ... - Deep Blue >>>>
> > deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/.../0000783.pdf?...1?
> > >>>> >>>> >>>> by KA Trujillo - ?1994 - ?Related articles >>>> The NMDA
> > antagonists were found to inhibit the development but not the >>>>
> > expression of opiate tolerance; i.e. they were able to prevent but not
> >>>>
> > reverse tolerance. >>>> This can prevent or even reverse opiate
> tolerance.
> > It's also an opiate >>>> ... >>>>
> > www.reddit.com/r/.../this_can_prevent_or_even_reverse_opiate_toleranc...
> > >>>> ? >>>> >>>> Aug 4, 2009 - This can prevent or even reverse opiate
> > tolerance. It's >>>> also an opiate potentiator and is not a controlled
> > substance in the U.S. >>>> but its no longer ... >>>> Tryptophan loading
> > may reverse tolerance to opiate ... - ScienceDirect >>>>
> > www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0304395980900044? >>>> >>>> by
> > Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related articles >>>> Mar 27, 2003
> -
> > Fiv e patients on chronic opiate medication to treat >>>> low-back and
> leg
> > pain were determined to have developed opiate tolerance on >>>> the basis
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> > -0800 From: Valarie To: The Ibogaine List Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how do
> I
> > get friends validated inside MindVox? Message-ID: Content-Type:
> text/plain;
> > charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Pat, To figure out your dosage you can go to
> > http://www.doraweiner.org/ That is the foundation Howard Lotsof founded.
> > Lotsof Love, Val On Dec 5, 2013 8:52 AM, "Pat Gallina" wrote: > Hi
> friends,
> > does anyone know what kind of dosage if I take ibogaine > hydrochloride I
> > don't know the amount of dosage I should take I am make 35 > years old
> 180
> > pounds does anybody know what kind of dosage I should take in >
> > milligrams?? Thanks friends > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 4, 2013,
> at
> > 9:46 PM, Valarie wrote: > > Jeff, Don't scare me! Lol. > I still never
> > found the email. Although I did see it with the link Patrick > provided,
> so
> > it must be my email account. > On Dec 4, 2013 6 :43 PM, "Jeff G" wrote: >
> > >> I think it's an illuminati conspiracy Val.... >> Watch your back. >>
> > Jeff >> On Dec 4, 2013 5:58 PM, "Valarie" wrote: >> >>> Thanks Patrick,
> > That must be what it is, because I still don't see it on >>> my end. >>>
> > How embarrassing I'm glad I didn't keep posting until I saw it. >>> <3
> Val
> > >>> On Dec 4, 2013 9:28 AM, "Patrick K. Kroupa" wrote: >>> >>>> You've
> > actually posted it twice now. >>>> >>>> To see what everybody else sees,
> > look at the archives, which are: >>>>
> > http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/ >>>> >>>> For December, it'd
> > be: >>>>
> http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/2013-December/date.html>>>>
> >>>> You've sent 2 messages called "Silver" at this point. >>>> >>>>
> > There is occasional lag because the list is very large, new accounts >>>>
> > are added, old ones that unsubscribe or start bouncing are automagically
> > >>>> removed, but the membership has hovered at about 10,000 subscribers
> > for >>>> half a decade or so. >>>> >>>> Lag means: it ma y take 3 minutes
> > from the time you hit send, until the >>>> time everybody receives your
> > message, but there is never a time where it'll >>>> take hours or days,
> > unless there are technical problems, which can happen, >>>> but it tends
> to
> > happen for everybody, not just one person, and is at our >>>> end. There
> > haven't been any issues for a few months since we finished >>>>
> > transitioning the list to new servers. >>>> >>>> Not seeing your own
> posts
> > can relate to either your own list settings >>>> -- you've told the
> mailing
> > list not to send duplicate copies, and mail you >>>> back your own posts
> > which are already sitting in your Sent mail box -- or >>>> how you've
> > configured your email client (look in your spam folder, if >>>> they're
> in
> > there, check them and mark them as Not Spam). >>>> >>>> On Dec 4, 2013,
> at
> > 11:15 AM, Valarie wrote: >>>> >>>> > A new thread from me? >>>> > Weird,
> I
> > don't see it anywhere, I see Silver's post asking Patrick >>>> how to
> post
> > that's it. >>>> > Thank you f or letting me know. >>>> > <3 Val >>>> >
> >>>>
> > > On Dec 4, 2013 8:13 AM, "junkboy64" wrote: >>>> > It posted. I saw it
> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first
> > nationwide 4G network. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -------- Original
> > message -------- >>>> > From: Valarie >>>> > Date: 12/04/2013 8:11 AM
> > (GMT-07:00) >>>> > To: The Ibogaine List >>>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]
> how
> > do I get friends validated inside MindVox? >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > I
> created a
> > new post on Monday night and it still hasn't posted. >>>> > So I re-sent
> it
> > last night and it still has not posted. >>>> > I double checked my email,
> > it shows I sent it right. >>>> > Is this happening to anyone else? >>>> >
> > <3 Val >>>> > >>>> > On Dec 3, 2013 3:22 PM, "Vector Vector" >>>> wrote:
> > >>>> > Ok duh I missed invite friends the first 15 times it got mentioned
> > >>>> ;-) Thanks, that clarified a lot. >>>> >>>> >>>> -=[) :::::::
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> > From: Sergey Sibirian To: The Ibogaine List Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] side
> > note on Heroin music Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain;
> > charset="windows-1252" Danielle, In a very short version, I'd like to
> tell
> > you that our society has reached the level of evolution of a 5 year old.
> > Maybe less. And that's a crude comparison. Our society is primitive and
> > centred around self adoration, consumerism, and separation/seclusion. But
> > we are evolving. Just 200 years ago people would plow land 12/24 and die
> at
> > 40 years old. Today we have countries like Canada, where healthcare is
> free
> > and a safety-net for the most vulnerable in society is in place. There's
> > internet. We went to the moon, mars, Venus jupiter, and one of our probes
> > is leaving the solar system?. Robots are getting into our homes. The
> human
> > genome has been sequenced. Life expectancy doesn't stop increasing. Etc.,
> > Etc., Etc,?. As soon as we pass on to the next l evel as a species, as a
> > society, things will be different. It might not happen in our life-time,
> > but it is inevitable. Wish you well Stay positive, nature balances things
> > out. Sergey On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 10:57 PM, danielle yates wrote: > >
> > Okay; I have to say I got a HUUUUUUUGE education on the Heroin Music >
> > forum. I've never used Heroin but I feel opiates in general are headed
> in >
> > the same direction so I like to here or see what people that are
> struggling
> > > or overcoming are listening to. > > DISCLAIMER ~ NO ONE IS ALOUD TO
> LAUGH
> > AT ME!!! (Deep cleansing breath > in) Honest to God; I had no idea who
> any
> > of them were. Mostly in regards > to never hearing their music. Of
> course I
> > know who John Lennon is but I > had no idea he had a song called "Cold
> > Turkey". Most especially I didn't > know who Alice In Chains are (they
> were
> > around during my teen years). I > have no idea how I missed that (in my
> > adult life). The reason for my lack > of exposure, is I was raised in a
> > community very ? similar to the Amish as > I've mentioned before. For
> those
> > who don't know what that is, it's > basically a very strict, and
> > disciplined lifestyle centered around the > Christian Faith. I had no
> T.V.,
> > NO secular music, no pants (for females) > and all the other stuff. > >
> > When I watched the AIC video I was like; "HOLY HELL WHO'S THE BEAUTIFUL >
> > BLOND DUDE?" I mean really; he had that whole Greek God thang goin ON!
> So >
> > naturally I googled his name (Layne Staley) because I wanted to stalk >
> > him...er; um, I mean hear more of his music. ; ) > > I CAN'T BELIEVE HE'S
> > DEAD!! I know you all dealt with that about 10 years > ago; but let me
> have
> > this. What a sad waste of friggin talent and beauty! > His story is so
> > depressing! He went to 13 different rehab centers and > then gave up. At
> > one point he told one of his band mates that; "he wasn't > coming back
> from
> > this. This is it." (referring to Heroin) That statement > ferments and
> > oozes despair...a despair I'm sure many of us have felt while ? >
> > contending with the same demons. > > Clearly I need a crash course on the
> > Grunge time period as I was in Church > while all that was going on (not
> by
> > my own free will). Well wait; I was > in Church mostly. The rest of the
> > time I was in Sin City learning about > all the things I wasn't supposed
> to
> > look at. : D > > So this is my question: Was Ibogaine available or known
> in
> > those social > circles? Was the concept of a "maintenance program" with
> > methadone or sub > being utilized? Did rehabs have meds to allow for a
> > detox that didn't > involve wanting to off yourself? Feel free to
> volunteer
> > any pertinent > details. > > This begs the question; who has died or is
> > curled up in their home, more > consumed with feeding their habit than
> > getting busy with the God given > gifts they have? What if one of those
> > fatalities would've found a cure for > Cancer? What if one of those lives
> > could have made the difference between > war and peace in the Middle East
> > Crisis? What about all the beautiful > ? babies that will never take
> their
> > first breadth, or the love stories that > were robbed of their season to
> > bloom? It's beyond my ability to wrap my > mind around the catastrophic
> > damage that happens every where, all the time, > on a daily basis because
> > of addiction. > > It makes me so utterly sad to think about. > > > > >
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> > Iboga Vissions (Valarie) > 2. Re: wanna say goodbye, wanna wish you all
> > nice xmas, happy > new year and everything! (Valarie) > 3. Re: wanna say
> > goodbye, wanna wish you all nice xmas, happy > new year and everything!
> > (Jeff G) > 4. Re: Homeland (Valarie) > 5. Re: Homeland (Nyc Labret?) > 6.
> > Re: Homeland (Jim Hadey3) > 7. (no subject) (Jim Hadey3) > 8. eddie (star
> > ray) > 9. Re: Homeland (Sergey Sibirian) > 10. Re: wanna say goodbye,
> wanna
> > wish you all nice xmas, happy > new year and everything! (Sergey
> Sibirian)
> > > 11. Star, Val and all (danielle yates) > 12. Re: (no subject) (Sergey
> > Sibirian) > 13. Re: Homeland (Randy Faulconer) > 14. Re: (no subject)
> > (Randy Faulconer) > 15. Re: (no subject) (Jim Hadey3) > 16. Re: (no
> > subject) (Valarie) > 17. Re: eddie (Eddie Caceres) > 18. Re: eddie (Jim
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> > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:38:26 -0800 > From: Valarie > To:
> > The Ibogaine L ist > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga Vissions >
> Message-ID: >
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Leo, I definitely
> > agree with Sergie. > It is very dangerous to stop taking benzodiazepine
> > before you do ibogaine, > do to risk of seizures. > This one ibogaine
> > facility I called told me to stop taking xanex one week > before my
> > treatment which is absolutely CRAZY and I told them that they > were
> going
> > to kill someone. > Once I found out about Ibogaine I made a hard decision
> > to go from Xanex to > Colonzapam. I have had plenty of seizures due to
> > benzodiazepine > withdrawal, and had to be careful. > I don't know if the
> > Ibogaine helped with not needing as much but my benzo > intake has gone
> > down significantly since I did my treatment. > I am actually only taking
> > half of the dose which is prescribed to me, and > find it easier to taper
> > since I did my ibogaine treatment. > Because I had to take the colonzapam
> > during my treatment I did not have > very many visions, Ibogaine of
> course
> > was still greatly beneficial as I am > now off opiots after 13 years of
> > use. > I hope to be completely off the colonzapam within 3 months and
> would
> > like > to do Ibogaine again for spiritual purposes. > Which is why I
> asked
> > about HCL vs TA. > > Lotsof Love, Val > On Nov 30, 2013 7:54 AM, "Sergey
> > Sibirian" wrote: > > > Val, Leo > > > > Benzos addiction is by far the
> > worst IN TERMS OF PHYSICAL DEPENDANCY. > > I'm not talking ADDICTION AS A
> > WHOLE. > > From what I read and researched, Ibo does NOT reset benzo
> > addiction. > > And it makes sense, to me at least. > > If opioids fuck
> with
> > the endorphine system in our brain, the benzos fuck > > with > > Our
> brains
> > much more basic system: homeostasys and GABBA. > > Homeostatys is
> basically
> > a state of balance the brain has to maintain at > > any price between the
> > "up" and "down" states. > > Between stimulation/action and
> > depression/deactivation. > > And this is exactly what delirium tremens
> is:
> > > > The brain has been long "down" stimul ated by alcohol, which also
> acts
> > on > > GABBA receptors. > > So when a person abruptly stops drinking, the
> > "up" part of brain is > > active, while the "down" waits for alcohol to
> do
> > its job. > > The result is a loss of balance in favor of the "up", and
> > delirium > tremens > > sets in. > > Convulsions, hallucinations, and
> > ultimately possible coma or death... > > > > With heroin/opioids, no
> matter
> > the severity of WD, there's no danger of > > death. > > With GABBA
> > agonists, such as benzos and alcohol, there is. > > All that to point out
> > that benzo addiction is very serious and in my > > humble opinion, should
> > NEVER be interrupted > > But rather tapered down. > > But then again, I'm
> > no expert on benzo addiction, although I've > personally > > witnessed
> two
> > persons being brought to the hospital > > In state of coma due to alcohol
> > WD. > > That pretty much shocked me so I did some research and NEVER
> touch
> > > benzos. > > > > Wish you well > > > > Sergey > > > > > > On Saturday,
> 30
> > November 20 13, leomroz24 wrote: > > > >> So it did help you with the
> Benzo
> > dt's? I have heard from some people > >> that it does not take away the
> > withdrawals from benzo and also I have > heard > >> many people getting
> rid
> > of there addiction since it took them to the > root > >> of why they had
> > anxiety to begin with. I have been on benzo's for 7 > years > >> or so
> and
> > have cut my dose down to about 1mg per day, sometimes less > but I > >>
> > just cant seem to kick these damn things. > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Nov 30,
> > 2013 at 1:48 AM, Valarie wrote: > >> > >>> As most of you know I did not
> > get very many visions during my ibogaine > >>> treatment which was a
> > disappointment to me. > >>> Since I did Ibogaine I have cut my Colonzapam
> > intake in half from 6mgs > >>> to 3 mgs. > >>> Before treatment and
> > tapering to Colonzapam I had been on 6-14mgs of > >>> xanex a day for
> over
> > 10years > >>> I am sure this is why bidding get very many visions. > >>>
> I
> > plan to be off the colonzapam completely in about 3 months ? and want >
> to
> > > >>> do another treatment > >>> Should I get the TA or HCL again? > >>>
> My
> > boyfriend will probably watch me since my favorite person in the > >>>
> > world who treated me lives in a different state. > >>> I heard the TA is
> > more for visions, and HCL is more for the addiction > >>> is this true? >
> > >>> Thanks for your continued help. > >>> Lotsof Love, Val > >>> > >>> >
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> > 2013 11:06:43 -0800 > From: Valarie > To: The Ibogaine List > Subject:
> Re:
> > [Ibogaine] wanna say goodbye, wanna wish you all nice > xmas, happy new
> > year and everything! > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain;
> > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Have a nice trip MiGo! > Love ya, Val > On Nov
> 30,
> > 2013 7:39 AM, "Mi Go" wrote: > > > hey good people from the forum, > > >
> >
> > first of all i really appreciate to be member of that forum, first time
> i >
> > > found a forum or people with a lot of knowledge about that plant and >
> >
> > medicine where im much interested in, its really hard often to get any >
> >
> > usefull information! > > > > i wanna say thx for all the replies and
> infos
> > i got til now and wish you > > all a happy xmas etc. etc. i dont know if
> i
> > have any inet connection > there > > where i go, i have a doubt on that
> > hehe, anyway i will log in, as often > its > > possible, > > > > stand
> > strong and take care everybody, have fun and k eep up the good work, > >
> > maybe you can sent me over some positive vibes every often, i will do
> the >
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> > 2013 11:09:01 -0800 > From: Jeff G > To: The Ibogaine List > Subject: Re:
> > [Ibogaine] wanna say goodbye, wanna wish you all nice > xmas, happy new
> > year and everything! > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain;
> > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Good luck... > Stay safe. > Freak Freely! >
> Peace
> > > JeffG > On Nov 30, 2013 7:09 AM, "Mi Go" wrote: > > > hey good people
> > from the forum, > > > > first of all i really appreciate t o be member of
> > that forum, first time i > > found a forum or people with a lot of
> > knowledge about that plant and > > medicine where im much interested in,
> > its really hard often to get any > > usefull information! > > > > i wanna
> > say thx for all the replies and infos i got til now and wish you > > all
> a
> > happy xmas etc. etc. i dont know if i have any inet connection > there >
> >
> > where i go, i have a doubt on that hehe, anyway i will log in, as often >
> > its > > possible, > > > > stand strong and take care everybody, have fun
> > and keep up the good work, > > maybe you can sent me over some positive
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> > 2013 11:09:36 -0800 > From: Valarie > To: The Ibogaine List > Subject:
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> > [Ibogaine] Homeland > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain;
> > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Wow Eddie, You have a lot going on. When I was
> on
> > Subutex my depression got > really bad the 2nd year. I hope you continue
> to
> > post on here, and I will > keep you in my thoughts. > Lotsof Love, Val >
> On
> > Nov 30, 2013 7:24 AM, "Eddie Caceres" wrote: > > > Hey Serg > > Long
> story
> > I'll try keep it short. Was an H addict for some time used > > everything
> > under the sun coke, ups, crack, acid, got clean in 1990 ( > rehab) > >
> > after trying countless detoxes and col turkey. Stood clean and sober
> thru >
> > > 12 step programs for 21 yrs. Had an injury in my job that required >
> > shoulder > > surgery. Didn't really abuse the meds vics,Percocet. But the
> > monster was > > released. And I'm hooked tried the done for a while
> 2mons 3
> > 0mgs couldn't > > deal with that shit. So I tried this wonder drug
> subutex
> > so I thought > been > > on it since about 6months 2-3mg a day even though
> > my doctor wanted me on > > 8-16 a day. Can't tell you the world of
> > depression I'm in. But I've been > > researching ibo spoke to Buddy,
> Sister
> > and the guy that was on the Hbo > > program for ibo (vice). EKG was good
> > but my liver is in bad shape (hepc > +) > > can't really afford to go to
> a
> > clinic but most of all I can't even break > > the news to my family. I've
> > been hiding my addiction. But we all know > what > > doesn't come out in
> > the wash comes out in the rinse.lol. I truly respect > > you all on this
> > forum and know what I have to do but drugs and > > procrastination is a
> > mother -ucker. And no one in a 12 step program would > > even understand
> > Ibo so I don't mention it to them. I consider myself a > > spiritual
> person
> > and been relying on that a lot . Got a good job good > > family but
> > emotionally I'm falling apart. Especially after experiencing > all > >
> > those years without using. This disease is brutal to say the least. Hope
> >
> > I > > answered your question. Feel free to ask away I'm open to
> suggestion.
> > > P.S. > > I've been working out a bit since my shoulder is still messed
> > up. I've > been > > feeling better,my appetite is getting better and
> > started talking my > > vitamins again. I was big on that and had stopped.
> > Or one more thing I'm > > also a diabetic with an insulin pump. Love and
> > respect Ed. > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On Nov 29, 2013, at 10:36
> PM,
> > Sergey Sibirian > > wrote: > > > > Hi Eddie, > > > > How do you relate to
> > Ibo yourself? > > If you don't mind sharing. > > > > Wish you well > > >
> >
> > Sergey > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Eddie Caceres wrote:
> >
> > > > >> > >> Hi all. I'm Eddie been following this list for a while I just
> > don't > >> comment much. But respect you all. Just wanted to share that
> on
> > last > nights > >> episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one of the main
> > character H ooked > on > >> H and going thru bad wds so someone suggested
> > Ibogaine and they gave it > to > >> him. At least Hollywood acknowledges
> > it. Hooray. Peace > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> -=[) :::::::
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> > 2013 14:45:53 -0500 > From: Nyc Labret? > To: The Ibogaine List >
> Subject:
> > Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain;
> > charset="utf-8" > > Yours is a more common AA/NA story than you may
> > realize. > > This is anecdotal but when I was in those rooms in the late
> > 80s early/mid > 90s anecdotal lore was that the highest suicide rate was
> > among those with > +20 years of sobriety. > > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at
> > 2:09 PM, Valarie wrote: > > > Wow Eddie, You have a lot going on. When I
> > was on Subutex my depression > > got really bad the 2nd year. I hope you
> > continue to post on here, and I > > will keep you in my thoughts. > >
> > Lotsof Love, Val > > On Nov 30, 2013 7:24 AM, "Eddie Caceres" wrote: > >
> >
> > >> Hey Serg > >>? Long story I'll try keep it short. Was an H addict for
> > some time used > >> everything under the sun coke, ups, crack, acid, got
> > clean in 1990 ( > rehab) > >> after trying countless detoxes and col
> > turkey. Stood clean and sober > thru > >> 12 step programs for 21 yrs.
> Had
> > an injury in my job that required > shoulder > >> surgery. Didn't really
> > abuse the meds vics,Percocet. But the monster was > >> released. And I'm
> > hooked tried the done for a while 2mons 30mgs couldn't > >> deal with
> that
> > shit. So I tried this wonder drug subutex so I thought > been > >> on it
> > since about 6months 2-3mg a day even though my doctor wanted me on > >>
> > 8-16 a day. Can't tell you the world of depression I'm in. But I've been
> >
> > >> researching ibo spoke to Buddy, Sister and the guy that was on the
> Hbo >
> > >> program for ibo (vice). EKG was good but my liver is in bad shape
> (hepc
> > > +) > >> can't really afford to go to a clinic but most of all I can't
> > even break > >> the news to my family. I've been hiding my addiction. But
> > we all know > what > >> doesn't come out in the wash comes out in the
> > rinse.lol. I truly respect > >> you all on this forum and know what I
> have
> > to do but drugs and > >> procra stination is a mother -ucker. And no one
> in
> > a 12 step program > would > >> even understand Ibo so I don't mention it
> to
> > them. I consider myself a > >> spiritual person and been relying on that
> a
> > lot . Got a good job good > >> family but emotionally I'm falling apart.
> > Especially after experiencing > all > >> those years without using. This
> > disease is brutal to say the least. > Hope I > >> answered your question.
> > Feel free to ask away I'm open to suggestion. > P.S. > >> I've been
> working
> > out a bit since my shoulder is still messed up. I've > been > >> feeling
> > better,my appetite is getting better and started talking my > >> vitamins
> > again. I was big on that and had stopped. Or one more thing I'm > >>
> also a
> > diabetic with an insulin pump. Love and respect Ed. > >> > >> Sent from
> my
> > iPad > >> > >> On Nov 29, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Sergey Sibirian > >> wrote:
> >
> > >> > >> Hi Eddie, > >> > >> How do you relate to Ibo yourself? > >> If
> you
> > don't mind sharing. > >> > >> Wish you well > >> > >> Serg ey > >> > >> >
> > >> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Eddie Caceres > wrote: > >> > >>> >
> >>>
> > Hi all. I'm Eddie been following this list for a while I just don't > >>>
> > comment much. But respect you all. Just wanted to share that on last >
> > nights > >>> episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one of the main
> > character > Hooked on > >>> H and going thru bad wds so someone suggested
> > Ibogaine and they gave > it to > >>> him. At least Hollywood acknowledges
> > it. Hooray. Peace > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> -=[) :::::::
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> > 2013 15:06:27 -0500 > From: Jim Hadey3 > To: The Ibogaine List > Subject:
> > Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain;
> > charset="utf-8" > > Hi Eddie, > > Yeah once you get hooked on opiates it
> > does n ot take much to get it > rekindled. Since you used to use H you
> know
> > what the early symptoms of w/d > are and you will have cravings and have
> > the urge; you could say your back > to square one but this time it will
> be
> > a little different. Most people no > matter how hard they try can not get
> > off that wonderful Sub; they got to go > to SAOs (short acting opiates -
> > perks, codiene, oxy and morphine) for 3 > months they do an Ibo detox.
> That
> > is you take SAOs and try to get as low > as you can get, but no Sub or
> > Methadone for they are too long lasting. If > you try and skip the SAO
> step
> > your setting yourself up for failure. That > is just what I have heard
> for
> > I never been on Sub and glad. > > Best, > > - JIM > > > > On Sat, Nov 30,
> > 2013 at 2:45 PM, Nyc Labret? >wrote: > > > Yours is a more common AA/NA
> > story than you may realize. > > > > This is anecdotal but when I was in
> > those rooms in the late 80s early/mid > > 90s anecdotal lore was that the
> > highest suicide rate was among those with > ? > +20 years of sobriety. >
> >
> > > > > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Valarie wrote: > > > >> Wow
> Eddie,
> > You have a lot going on. When I was on Subutex my depression > >> got
> > really bad the 2nd year. I hope you continue to post on here, and I > >>
> > will keep you in my thoughts. > >> Lotsof Love, Val > >> On Nov 30, 2013
> > 7:24 AM, "Eddie Caceres" wrote: > >> > >>> Hey Serg > >>> Long story I'll
> > try keep it short. Was an H addict for some time used > >>> everything
> > under the sun coke, ups, crack, acid, got clean in 1990 ( > rehab) > >>>
> > after trying countless detoxes and col turkey. Stood clean and sober >
> thru
> > > >>> 12 step programs for 21 yrs. Had an injury in my job that required
> >
> > shoulder > >>> surgery. Didn't really abuse the meds vics,Percocet. But
> the
> > monster > was > >>> released. And I'm hooked tried the done for a while
> > 2mons 30mgs > couldn't > >>> deal with that shit. So I tried this wonder
> > drug subutex so I thought > been > >>> on it since about 6months 2-3mg a
> > day even tho ugh my doctor wanted me > on > >>> 8-16 a day. Can't tell
> you
> > the world of depression I'm in. But I've > been > >>> researching ibo
> spoke
> > to Buddy, Sister and the guy that was on the Hbo > >>> program for ibo
> > (vice). EKG was good but my liver is in bad shape > (hepc +) > >>> can't
> > really afford to go to a clinic but most of all I can't even > break >
> >>>
> > the news to my family. I've been hiding my addiction. But we all know >
> > what > >>> doesn't come out in the wash comes out in the rinse.lol. I
> truly
> > > respect > >>> you all on this forum and know what I have to do but
> drugs
> > and > >>> procrastination is a mother -ucker. And no one in a 12 step
> > program > would > >>> even understand Ibo so I don't mention it to them.
> I
> > consider myself a > >>> spiritual person and been relying on that a lot .
> > Got a good job good > >>> family but emotionally I'm falling apart.
> > Especially after > experiencing all > >>> those years without using. This
> > disease is brutal to say the least. > Hope I > >>> answe red your
> question.
> > Feel free to ask away I'm open to suggestion. > P.S. > >>> I've been
> > working out a bit since my shoulder is still messed up. I've > been > >>>
> > feeling better,my appetite is getting better and started talking my > >>>
> > vitamins again. I was big on that and had stopped. Or one more thing >
> I'm
> > > >>> also a diabetic with an insulin pump. Love and respect Ed. > >>> >
> > >>> Sent from my iPad > >>> > >>> On Nov 29, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Sergey
> > Sibirian > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Eddie, > >>> > >>> How do you relate
> > to Ibo yourself? > >>> If you don't mind sharing. > >>> > >>> Wish you
> well
> > > >>> > >>> Sergey > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM,
> Eddie
> > Caceres > wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Hi all. I'm Eddie been following
> this
> > list for a while I just don't > >>>> comment much. But respect you all.
> > Just wanted to share that on last > nights > >>>> episode of Homeland on
> > Showtime showed one of the main character > Hooked on > >>>> H and going
> > thru bad wds so someone ? suggested Ibogaine and they gave > it to > >>>>
> > him. At least Hollywood acknowledges it. Hooray. Peace > >>>> Sent from
> my
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> > 2013 15:15:46 -0500 > From: Jim Hadey3 > To: Ibogaine > Subject:
> [Ibogaine]
> > (no subject) > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > > Hi Serge, > > Google reverse opiate tolerance this is the first page.
> > >
> > (opioids) Is it possible to reverse opioid tolerance? - Bluelight >
> www.bluelight.ru/vb/.../637458-Is-it
> > -possible-to-reverse-opioid-toleranc<
> http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/.../637458-Is-it-possible-to-reverse-opioid-toleranc
> >..
> > > .? > > > Aug 15, 2012 - 25 posts - ?17 authors > I often hear people
> say
> > the only thing that can reverse tolerance to > opioids is time without
> > taking the drug, or that you can only slow the > ...(opioids) Using
> > naloxone to counter tolerance 14 posts May 11, 2012 > DXM - The Opiate
> > Addicts's Miracle Drug, PLEASE READ 25 posts Aug 18, 2010 > NMDA
> > antagonists for tolerance, a collection of the ... 25 posts May 5, >
> 2010 >
> > Preventing/reducing opiate tolerance 25 posts Jul 10, 2007 > More results
> > from www.bluelight.ru > > Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to
> > opiate analgesics in ... > www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7454382? > > by Y
> > Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related articles > Five patients on
> > chronic opiate medication to treat low-back and leg pain > were
> determined
> > to have developed opiate tolerance on the basis of their > failure to
> ... >
> > Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing Receptor Sensitivity ... >
> > www.drugs-forum.com ? ... ? DRUG-FORUMS ? Opiates & Opioids? > > > Oct
> > 11, 2008 - 26 posts - ?1 author > Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance:
> > Reversing Receptor Sensitivity ... and can > prevent or even reverse the
> > development of tolerance to opioid ...Tolerance > - Does tolerance never
> > fully go away? 9 posts Sep 6, 2012 > Combinations - Dandelion Root for
> > Opiate Tolerance 2 posts Jan 11, 2011 > Addiction - Resetting a Kratom
> > tolerance 26 posts Apr 8, 2010 > Effects - Possible reverse tolerance? 10
> > posts Jan 28, 2010 > More results from www.drugs-forum.com > > Reversing
> > Opioid Tolerance - Chronic Pain - HealingWell.com Forum >
> > www.healingwell.com ? ... ? Diseases & Conditions ? Chronic Pain? > > >
> > May 23, 2010 - 8 posts - ?4 authors > I have been using opioid (tramadol,
> > hydrocodone and oxycodone) for 6 years, > ... Though there are drugs to
> > permanently reverse tolerance for ... > Changing concepts of opioid
> > tolerance > www.painresearch.utah.edu/cancerpain/ch20.html? > > > What
> > these classical studies showed is that tolerance does develop to > opioid
> > ..... are associated with dramatic reduction in pain and rapid > reversal
> > of tolerance. > Opioids, Cannabinoids, and reverse tolerance - Social
> > Anxiety Forum > www.socialanxietysupport.com ? ... ? Recovery ?
> > Medication? > > > Nov 11, 2010 - 14 posts - ?8 authors > According to
> this
> > research video, they found that THC can synergize with > Opioids and
> > decrease and even reverse opioid tolerance. I got my ... > Does anything
> > other than TIME lower tolerance? [Archive ... >
> > forum.opiophile.org/archive/index.php/t-1447.html? > > > Feb 8, 2006 -
> 16
> > posts - ?11 authors > The drugs-Hydroxyzine(produces a rough "doubling"
> of
> > opiate effects ... > effectiveness AND the prevention/reversal of
> tolerance
> > through the use ... > [PDF] > Inhibition of opiate tolerance by
> > non-competitive N ... - Deep Blue >
> > deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/.../0000783.pdf?...1? >
> >
> > > by KA Trujillo - ?1994 - ?Related articles > The NMDA antagonists were
> > found to inhibit the development but not the > expression of opiate
> > tolerance; i.e. they were able to prevent but not > reverse tolerance. >
> > This can prevent or even reverse opiate tolerance. It's also an opiate
> ...
> > >
> www.reddit.com/r/.../this_can_prevent_or_even_reverse_opiate_toleranc...?
> > > > Aug 4, 2009 - This can prevent or even reverse opiate tolerance. It's
> > also > an opiate potentiator and is not a controlled substance in the
> U.S.
> > but its > no longer ... > Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to
> > opiate ... - ScienceDirect >
> > www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0304395980900044? > > by Y
> > Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related articles > Mar 27, 2003 -
> Five
> > patients on chronic opiate medication to treat low-back > and leg pain
> were
> > determined to have developed opiate tolerance on the > basis of ... >
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> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 30 Nov
> > 2013 18:42:39 -0600 > From: star ray > To: "ibogaine at mindvox.com" >
> > Subject: [Ibogaine] eddie > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain;
> > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hey Eddie, I pretty much have the same story you
> > do, did some crazy drugs > when young, got pregnant and straight for 25
> > years.. had three surgeries, > right knee, left knee (made it through
> those
> > with no pain pills and > constant pain) Finally the rotator cuff shoulder
> > surgery was the breaking > point. Had to take 1 vicoprophen to go through
> > rehab, and then started > taking some daily. I never have taken a lot of
> > anything but just enough to > mess me up, been battling with that for
> seven
> > years and i have hep > c.......I have done ibogaine a few times and it
> > always helped and also > helped my liver and reduced my viral load and
> > enzymes. i am currently off > a low dose of suboxone (.25 mg) for about
> 16
> > days, just plain > tired....anyway good luck o n your journey... are you
> > still on subutex?? > > Val and junkboy.... what nice messages, you are
> the
> > best > > peace and love, STAR > > > -------------- next part
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> > 2013 20:32:35 -0500 > From: Sergey Sibirian > To: The Ibogaine List >
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland > Message-ID: > > Content-Type:
> > text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Eddie, > > I hear you. > 20 years
> > of sobriety is already saying a lot about you. > Every life story is
> > unique, contrary to an opinion I saw above, and a > person's suffering
> > cannot be measured in comparison to anothers. > That's my opinion. > >
> Hep
> > C and Diabetes are a big weight, I can only imagine. > So does that mean
> > you cannot use Ibo? > There are compounds being isolated from Iboga,
> which
> > are BELIEVED to be > responsible for WD interuption. > MC-18 is one of
> > those. > There's some interesting info about the subject on >
> Ibogamind.com
> > > Very resourceful website: stands out from the rest FOR ME. > > I wish
> you
> > well Eddie, we'll talk more. > > Sergey > > On Friday, 29 November 2013,
> > Eddie Caceres wrote: > > > Hey Serg > > Long story I'll try keep it
> short.
> > Was an H addict for some time used > > everything under the sun coke,
> ups,
> > crack, acid, got clean in 1990 ( > rehab) > > after trying countless
> > detoxes and col turkey. Stood clean and sober thru > > 12 step programs
> for
> > 21 yrs. Had an injury in my job that required > shoulder > > surgery.
> > Didn't really abuse the meds vics,Percocet. But the monster was > >
> > released. And I'm hooked tried the done for a while 2mons 30mgs couldn't
> >
> > > deal with that shit. So I tried this wonder drug subutex so I thought >
> > been > > on it since about 6months 2-3mg a day even though my doctor
> wanted
> > me on > > 8-16 a day. Can't tell you the world of depression I'm in. But
> > I'v e been > > researching ibo spoke to Buddy, Sister and the guy that
> was
> > on the Hbo > > program for ibo (vice). EKG was good but my liver is in
> bad
> > shape (hepc > +) > > can't really afford to go to a clinic but most of
> all
> > I can't even break > > the news to my family. I've been hiding my
> > addiction. But we all know > what > > doesn't come out in the wash comes
> > out in the rinse.lol. I truly respect > > you all on this forum and know
> > what I have to do but drugs and > > procrastination is a mother -ucker.
> And
> > no one in a 12 step program would > > even understand Ibo so I don't
> > mention it to them. I consider myself a > > spiritual person and been
> > relying on that a lot . Got a good job good > > family but emotionally
> I'm
> > falling apart. Especially after experiencing > all > > those years
> without
> > using. This disease is brutal to say the least. Hope > I > > answered
> your
> > question. Feel free to ask away I'm open to suggestion. > P.S. > > I've
> > been working out a bit since my shoulder is still me ssed up. I've >
> been >
> > > feeling better,my appetite is getting better and started talking my > >
> > vitamins again. I was big on that and had stopped. Or one more thing I'm
> >
> > > also a diabetic with an insulin pump. Love and respect Ed. > > > > Sent
> > from my iPad > > > > On Nov 29, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Sergey Sibirian
> 'cvml', '
> > sibirianfox at gmail.com');>> > > wrote: > > > > Hi Eddie, > > > > How do
> > you relate to Ibo yourself? > > If you don't mind sharing. > > > > Wish
> you
> > well > > > > Sergey > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Eddie
> > Caceres 'cvml', 'ebrvwarr at aol.com');> > > > wrote: > > > >> > >> Hi all.
> > I'm Eddie been following this list for a while I just don't > >> comment
> > much. But respect you all. Just wanted to share that on last > nights >
> >>
> > episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one of the main character Hooked >
> > on > >> H and going thru bad wds so someone suggested Ibogaine and they
> > gave it > to > >> him. At least Hollywood acknowledges it. Hooray. Peace
> >
> > >> Sent from my ? iPhone > >> > >> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List
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> > 2013 20:40:10 -0500 > From: Sergey Sibirian > To: The Ibogaine List >
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] wanna say goodbye, wanna wish you all nice >
> xmas,
> > happy new year and everything! > Message-ID: > > Content-Type:
> text/plain;
> > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Mi go, > > Mi go, mein freund! > Ich wunsche dir
> > ein freuliche Weinachten und viel Spass! > > Enjoy yourself and the new
> > year. > > Sergey > > On Saturday, 30 November 2013, Mi Go wrote: > > >
> hey
> > good people from the forum, > > > > first of all i really appreciate to
> be
> > member of that forum, first time i > > found a forum or people with a lot
> > of knowledge about that plant and > > medicine where im much interested
> in,
> > its really hard often to get any > > usefull information! > > > > i wanna
> > say thx for all the replies and infos i got til now and wish you > > all
> a
> > happy xmas etc. etc. i dont know if i have any inet connection > there >
> >
> > where i go, i have a doubt on that hehe, anyway i will log in, as often >
> > its > > possible, > > > > stand strong and take care everybody, have fun
> > and keep up the good work, > > maybe you can sent me over some positive
> > vibes every often, i will do the > > same!! > > > -------------- next
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> > 2013 10:51:53 -0800 (PST) > From: danielle yates > To: "
> > ibogaine at mindvox.com" > Subject: [Ibogaine] Star, Val and all >
> > Message-ID: > <
> 1385837513.43534.YahooMailNeo at web184302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello... > Star and
> > Val thanks for the kind words, I've considered Kratom. ?Right now > it's
> a
> > white knuckle ride with nothing...other than a face plant before >
> > Thanksgiving. ?I'm under no illusions about how temporary my current
> state
> > > of "clean" will be if I don't implement real, tangible intervention.
> ?All
> > I > know is I'm taking bb steps...(as advised on this very forum). > >
> Also
> > to those that shared your Thanksgiving thoughts I think you're >
> incredibly
> > inspirational and I'm so, so, so very glad that I don't have to > be
> alone
> > when facing major obstacles that seem overwhelming. ?If it weren't > for
> > you Trail Blazers I don't think I would even attempt such a harrowing >
> > journey. ? > @ Eddie, Hello and nice to meet you. > > > >
> > ________________________________ > From: "ibogaine-request at mindvox.com"
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> > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 10:00 AM >
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> > > Today's Topics: > > ? 1. Re: Iboganights (junkboy) > ? 2. Re:
> Iboganights
> > (Valarie) > ? 3. Re: Danielle (Valarie) > ? 4. Re: Iboganights (Sergey
> > Sibirian) > ? 5. Re: Homeland (Valarie) > ? 6. Anyone remember?? ?
> (Sergey
> > Sibirian) > ? 7. Re: Homeland (Sergey Sibirian) > ? 8. Re: Homeland (Nyc
> > Labret?) > ? 9. Iboga Vissions (Valarie) > ? 10. Re: Iboga Vissions
> > (leomroz24) > ? 11. Re: Homeland (Eddie Caceres) > ? 12. wanna say
> goodbye,
> > wanna wish you all nice xmas,??? happy new > ? ? ? year and everything!
> (Mi
> > Go) > ? 13. Re: Iboga Vissions (Sergey Sibirian) > ? 14. Re: IBOGA SEEDS
> > (Chris Jenks) > > >
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> >
> > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 11:43:53 -0700 > From: junkboy > To:
> > The Ibogaine List > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboganights > Message-ID: >
> ???
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > jeffg, > im glad you
> > posted being grateful. it helped me to remember how grateful i > am to
> not
> > have that damned monkey on my back anymore. this list has helped > me a
> > ton. thanks for everyone who has reached out and helped me on my >
> journey
> > from being a drug addicted crazy person to a clean crazy person. >
> ibogaine
> > is de finitely a tool that has helped change my life. it actually > did
> not
> > FIX me.. it just helped me along on my journey. > ? ive learned that i
> have
> > to do the work to help myself, to find something > that fills that
> > emptiness that is inside me that wants to be filled with > drugs, self
> > destructive behavior, and chaos. im working to overcome myself. > its not
> > an easy process, but so far has been totally worth it. > i like quick
> > fixes. well, im learning that there there are no quick fixes. > quoting
> > from NA its one day at a time. > plugging away at my issues, trying to
> let
> > go of beliefs that are not > working, and letting other people into my
> > heart seems to be working for me. > other than a stint earler this year
> > involving the emergency room, morphine > and a take home script of
> perc's,
> > its been good. > i want to say thank you to everyone on this list,
> everyone
> > who has emailed > me privately and chatted with me, my wife who can
> somehow
> > put up with me, > my NA group, and others who have h elped take this
> > broken, sad, depressed > and desperate shell of a human being, and helped
> > me to grow into a person > who is healing and becoming whole again. >
> there
> > is hope. > all it takes is a little work every day. > some support > some
> > love. > some taking, > some giving > some compromise, > some pain, > some
> > compassion > some random acts of kindness > and a letting go of hate,
> self
> > loathing, pride, and thinking you are the > cock of the walk. > your
> not..
> > just human like all the rest of us.. > love you guys and gals.. >
> junkboy >
> > > > On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Jeff G wrote: > > > Saw this inside
> > mindvox, thought it might be something the list here > would > > like to
> > see. > > Sergey?? > > > > http://iboganights.co.uk/ > > > > And happy
> > thanksgiving to all of you, I'm grateful for you, this list, > and > >
> for
> > being unsprung from my methadone habit....and for finally seeing that > >
> > all the 'reasons' I had to be high were basically full of shit. > >
> > Sometimes I wish I didn 't, but mostly I'm really glad. > > Peace > >
> JeffG
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> > 2013 15:12:13 -0800 > From: Valarie > To: The Ibogaine List > Subject:
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> > [Ibogaine] Iboganights > Message-ID: > ??? > Content-Type: text/plain;
> > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Yes, Thank you too all who have helped me get
> > clean and stay clean. > Ibogaine was a big part in my recovery. > I have
> > gone cold turkey plenty of times but once I had been on Methadone >
> > maintenance then Sub maintenance then methadone again then Sub again all
> of
> > > these maintenance for 12 years left ? me to afraid to detox. > If it
> were
> > not for Ibogaine I would have never got off that merry go round. > In
> order
> > for me to stay clean I am going to an outpatient program from > 10-1pm
> then
> > I go to a place called the Wellness Center from 1-5pm and it > gets dark
> so
> > early now because of daylights savings it's already dark by > 5pm, > I go
> > home have dinner then go to bed, so my day is now full. Before I could >
> > not stop thinking about getting high, Now I am keeping myself busy. You
> all
> > > kept telling me but I was being lazy . > Thank you to everyone on this
> > list. I could not have gotten sober without > you. > Now I get to go on
> > here to keep my recovery going with all your help and > help others by
> > sharing my experience. You can get off Methadone! You can > get off Sub!
> >
> > You don't need to go back to heroin and end up dying to do ibogaine you
> can
> > > use kratom for that short time. Then depending on how your provider
> feels
> > > detox from that or they might put you on a SAO for a couple days .
> Then >
> > Ibogaine!!!!! > Don't let the 3 months scare you. > Love you all. >
> Lotsof
> > Love, Val > On Nov 29, 2013 11:28 AM, "junkboy" wrote: > > > jeffg, > >
> im
> > glad you posted being grateful. it helped me to remember how grateful >
> i >
> > > am to not have that damned monkey on my back anymore. this list has >
> > helped > > me a ton. thanks for everyone who has reached out and helped
> me
> > on my > > journey from being a drug addicted crazy person to a clean
> crazy
> > person. > > ibogaine is definitely a tool that has helped change my life.
> > it actually > > did not FIX me.. it just helped me along on my journey. >
> > >? ? ive learned that i have to do the work to help myself, to find > >
> > something that fills that emptiness that is inside me that wants to be >
> >
> > filled with drugs, self destructive behavior, and chaos. im working to >
> >
> > overcome myself. its not an easy process, but so far has been totally >
> > worth > > it. > > i like quick fixes. well, im learning that there there
> > are no quick > fixes. > > ? quoting from NA its one day at a time. > >
> > plugging away at my issues, trying to let go of beliefs that are not > >
> > working, and letting other people into my heart seems to be working for >
> > me. > > other than a stint earler this year involving the emergency
> room, >
> > morphine > > and a take home script of perc's, its been good. > > i want
> to
> > say thank you t
> > ...
> >
> > [Message clipped]
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> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 17:01:27 -0800
> From: Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Help in Alberta?
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> Hi Linda,
> I have been off opiots once I did my treatment on Halloween of this year. I
> had been on Methadone and Suboxone maintenance for 13 years and was afraid
> to detox.
> After I did my treatment I was laying around at home a lot and didn't know
> how to be opiot free so I started an intense outpatient program that has
> put me on a schedule.
> Because I had been on Subutex for a few years before treatment I had to
> switch to SAOs like morphine, Vicodin, etc.... I also used Kratom which is
> a completely legal herb.
> I also found out about Ibogaine on a documentary on HBO, then started
> researching within 6 months I did my treatment.
> The only way I was able to make it and fully understand what I should not
> be taking such as SSRIs, was due to the support on this list.
> If you would like to give more information on your son,  the people on this
> list WILL help you.
>
> Lotsof Love, Val
>
> P.S Ibogaine is not a scary experience.
> On Dec 8, 2013 9:28 AM, "Linda Fleming" <linel.linda at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Another lock up and talk will not work !! I have been researching
> ibogaine
> > after seeing
> > A documentary on tv. I know it could help my son ! He is desperate to
> stop
> > opiates !!
> > Does anyone know of a clinic or person who would administer ibogaine in
> > Alberta????
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
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> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 04:55:27 -0800 (PST)
> From: Chris Jenks <chris at jenks.us>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] IBOGA SEEDS
> Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1312090451240.32476 at ace.sift.us>
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>   Dear Friends,
>
>   The seeds from Emmanuel Lih arrived at the post office about a week ago
> as a properly tracked registered letter, and I just picked it up today. It
> contains 50 intact seeds (just as I paid for), along with two that seem
> like they might be split and a few crumbs. So the purchase seemed to go
> well. I will have to report back on viability in a month or so.
>
>   Yours,
>
>     Chris
>
> On Sat, 30 Nov 2013, Chris Jenks wrote:
>
> >  Dear Friends,
> >
> >  I'm in the middle of purchasing iboga seeds from Emmanuel Lih. His
> price is
> > typical, and one advantage is that his seeds come from cultivated plants
> so
> > their harvest won't interfere with wild iboga propagation. These were
> paid
> > for October 22nd but shipping to South Africa is very slow and I didn't
> > suspect a problem until November 16th, when the package had to be resent
> > because of a problem at the Cameroon post office. That problem made us
> even,
> > since Emmanuel was hassled when picking up payment because Western Union
> > charged me dollars when I clearly specified euros on the form.
> >
> >  From the start I intended to write a complete report of my seed
> purchasing
> > experiences once my transactions are complete, but wanted to post what I
> have
> > in response to this thread.
> >
> >  I don't recommend having the seeds come in the pods because iboga seems
> to
> > stay viable even when dried and the pods are likely to spoil before
> arriving
> > from Cameroon, or get unwanted attention from customs. The viability of
> fresh
> > but separated seeds from CerberusExtract.com has been over 50%.
> >
> >  There is a lot of recent information about growing iboga on facebook if
> > anyone is planning to study this seriously. If you want to start with
> the
> > discussions on my page my facebook id is chris.jenks.129
> >
> >  Yours,
> >
> >    Chris
> >
> > On Thu, 28 Nov 2013, Valarie wrote:
> >
> >> YES!
> >>
> >> On Nov 28, 2013 12:33 PM, "Sergey Sibirian" <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>      Emmanuel,
> >> seeds to plant...
> >> Of course!
> >> I mean, I would love to,?
> >> but I don't want to impose or intrude?
> >> I'm kind of new here.
> >>
> >> Sergey
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:45 AM, M. Emmanuel Lih <
> kedjutimber at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>      I have seeds harvested. Anybody needs to plant???
> >>
> >>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 11:28:40 -0800 (PST)
> From: danielle yates <danielle6175 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "ibogaine at mindvox.com" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Subject: [Ibogaine] Lightbulb Moment
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> Serg,
>
> Ha, ha...LOVE the accent (seriously). ?Ok; I'm off to educate myself. ?
>
> Danielle
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