[Ibogaine] Post Ibo

Jeff G jeffgallop at gmail.com
Wed Dec 11 13:51:01 CST 2013


No
That hole that right now seems will be empty and wanting forever will
slowly fill in....with what is kind of up to you, but even if you do
nothing it will fill a bit.
Ibogaine will certainly speed things up, and take away your constant
craving for a while....And make you feel so much better.
You need to get your man on board and do some medicine girl.
There are good medically responsible places in Mexico that both you and he
will feel safe with.
Your in a great place to do it and it won't take you long to bounce back
after ad you've done the hard part already.
Go for it!
Peace
JeffG
On Dec 11, 2013 8:58 AM, "danielle" <danielle6175 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I'm awake again...don't worry as soon as I start sleeping; which I'm told
> one day will happen, I'll cease to be a non stop presence here.  Meanwhile
> bare with me as expressing my thoughts helps to pull my brain out of hyper
> overdrive.
> I spent a lot of time reading through the archives and honestly there's
> about 3 great novels AT LEAST wrapped up in those bad boys.  PLUS I'm gonna
> have to say that people with the "disease" (vice, struggle, monkey,
> whatever...) of addiction are very seriously funny (in that order).  I'm
> not kidding; the questions, and the fights, and the rants and the
> hysterical verbal mushroom clouds (I'm guilty of that last one) are a
> comedians dream come true for original material.
>
> Anyways; I have a question regarding Post Ibogaine Life:  I've got things
> somewhat handled physically.  Ya know the painful part of withdrawal is
> behind me. BUT if I were to step back and be real with myself about my
> expectations I must say that one of the most important, HOPES I have in
> this treatment is that it free's me from the insatiable vortex that's
> ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS there weather I'm actively engaged in a
> spiral/addiction or not.  I'm mean; my flavor of the week is opiates but if
> it isn't that it's something else that I take to the umpteenth level of a
> manic extreme.  If I had to put into one word the satisfaction I get when a
> high is settling in; it's that I feel "complete".  Seriously it fills this
> CONSTANT unrelenting NEEEEEEEEEEED that has been a part of me since I can
> remember.  NO MATTER where I am, what I'm doing, or who I'm with, this
> swirling abyss is there.  It's more pronounced when I have a lot of stress,
> but really; my life could be PERFECT and it will still be there taunting
> me.  Is that the rest of my life?  Is the rest of my life making sure that
> my schedule is so jam packed, and my mind is so occupied that I don't have
> the time, strength or energy to stop and acknowledge the wolf in my soul?
>  If that's the case; I don't see that as freedom, or peace.  Maybe frantic
> denial, but not real healing.
>
>
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>   1. Re: Help in Alberta? (Sergey Sibirian)
>   2. Re: Lightbulb Moment (Jim Hadey3)
>   3. Re: Help in Alberta? (Valarie)
>   4. Re: IBOGA SEEDS (Chris Jenks)
>   5. Lightbulb Moment (danielle yates)
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> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 13:17:33 -0500
> From: Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Help in Alberta?
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> Hi Linda,
>
> My name is Sergey.
> there is a clinic not far from you, relatively,-it's in Vancouver.
> There's also one in Toronto.
>
> I'm in Montreal and I've been researching Ibo for at least a year.
> So all the info I meticulously collected over this period is yours, just
> ask.
>
> There are certain ways/protocols to follow before a Ibo flood.
> A very, very important point to grasp, is that what Ibo does,
> is it interrupts the bio-neurological addiction.
> The physical part, so to speak.
>
> But it's not a magic wand.
> Addiction involves MUCH, MUCH more then the physical part.
> It is also a sickness of the soul, the mind.
>
> Other then that there is a protocol to follow to greatly increase the
> chances
> of success.
> If your son is on a LONG acting opioid, such as methadone or Subaxone,
> it is strongly advised to switch to a SHORT acting opioid, or SAO, for AT
> LEAST
> 2 months before Ibo.
>
> Let me give you some research material.
> Look, inform yourself.
>
> Ibogamind.com
> http://iceers.org/use-of-iboga.php#.UqEUBqUzL1p
> http://opioidaddiction.weebly.com
> http://www.ibogaine.org/index.html
> http://www.ibogaworld.com
> subsux.com
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proglumide
> http://www.myeboga.org
> Ibo fatalities- Google
> Search<https://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=Ken+alper+iceers>
> http://ibogalife.com/iboga-judgement-day-iceers/
> http://kratomassociation.org
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUPFHF8khxY&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PL1DF6F7219910257B
>
> I myself am still preparing for Ibo, although it's been a while I'm not
> using.
> There are people here who have been clean for long periods of time through
> the root.
> You'll meet them, they are always eager to help people in need.
> Jim, Jeff, Sister, Randy, Chris, Matt, Mi go and many others whom I forgot
> to mention.
>
>
> Good luck.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Linda Fleming <linel.linda at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Another lock up and talk will not work !! I have been researching
> ibogaine
> > after seeing
> > A documentary on tv. I know it could help my son ! He is desperate to
> stop
> > opiates !!
> > Does anyone know of a clinic or person who would administer ibogaine in
> > Alberta????
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> Hi Danielle,
>
> I believe it is against the law to give an addict any drug for detox other
> than sub or met as far as opiates go but maybe the Dr will go along with
> you.  If you have any pain or injury you may have a better chance for he
> might be able to say I was treating her for whatever for pain not addiction
> and could have a legitimate reason.
>
> Wish ya the best,
>
>   - JIM
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 3:32 AM, danielle yates
> <danielle6175 at sbcglobal.net>wrote:
>
> > Okay; I'm sorry for talking so much but I have NOTHING to do in the
> middle
> > of the night and I haven't slept in 4 months (due to the whole; clean
> > livin' trial run I'm doing) so just bare with me.
> > @ Annette; I've been stressing on your behalf because it is a roll of
> dice
> > as to how your Doc App is going to go on Monday.  The outcome depends on
> if
> > this Doc is comfortable taking on your case.  Also how much exposure they
> > have to addiction and addiction medicine.  Some docs won't touch these
> sort
> > of cases with a 10 ft. pole.
> > Right as I was about to throw back 15-20 Tylenol PM's I thought of the
> > PERFECT answer for you!
> > The recruiting for the 18-MC trials are STARTING in January!!  It's here
> > in CA in San Carlos and it's with Savant HWP.
> > They will be recruiting for people with a Morphine addiction and testing
> > this new drug on them.  I'll pm you all the correspondence and contact
> info
> > I have.  SO; what I'm thinking is before your app arm yourself with a
> > simple, well researched  Plan...Most Doctors like it when their patients
> > are their own advocates as long as the patient is still willing to listen
> > to the Docs idea's and be compliant (it's a fine line when it comes to
> this
> > type of communication so tread lightly).  I don't actually know what the
> > path from this to Ibogaine would be as 18-MC is basically an extract of
> > Ibogaine...nor do I know if your the time table of your methadone use
> will
> > be a factor.  It's an option to consider.  I promised the CEO I'd have my
> > "addiction pendulum" swinging in the morphine directions in 2014 but
> > hopefully that a promise I get to break. : )
> > Is your Doc a male/female?  How old?  What's their specialty?...(I'll
> > explain why I want to know in a sec).
> > If there is anyone on here with more credible or detailed info than me
> > feel free to speak up.  I'm a novice in this stuff so it won't hurt my
> > feelings if what I'm suggesting is in someway harmful and I'm not seeing
> it.
> > Okay; good night everyone!  Have sweet dreams!
> > Danielle
> >
> >
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> > inside MindVox? (Annette Dilucchio) 3. Re: side note on Heroin music
> > (Sergey) (Sergey Sibirian)
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> > Message: 1 Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 11:00:23 -0800 (PST) From: danielle
> yates To: "
> > ibogaine at mindvox.com"  Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Annette, Sergey,
> > Isabelle...everyone Message-ID: <
> > 1386442823.79011.YahooMailNeo at web184306.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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> > text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" @ Randy; I thought you were oddly
> > quiet...not that we've ever interacted one-on-one but I've enjoyed
> reading
> > your comments. ?I understand the complacency thing. ?I have a bad habit
> of
> > putting my head in the sand when the whirlwind starts to blow. ? Also;
> has
> > anyone heard from Mi Go? ?I forgot if he mentioned when he'll be back.
> ?Mi
> > Go if you read this I'm givin you a shout out! ?You are missed and I hope
> > you're ?having a nice/safe trip. ?Be good!? @ Annette; I know it's crazy
> > scary downsizing from methadone...to be honest I have no idea what the
> doc
> > will say. ?For now cut those 'dones in 1/2 so you can be prepared for the
> > worst case scenario. ?Whatever the outcome; your health must come first.
> > ?For me; these downshifts or "tapering" phases have been when I've been
> the
> > most vulnerable to a binge (of one form or another) and believe me I
> > fascinate myself at how creative I can be in "going out in a BLAAAAAZE OF
> > GLORAAAY!!! (I like to keep my Husbands life exciting)...Anywhoooo; ?If
> you
> > end up getting "thrown from the next" in regards to your access to
> > maintenance/tapering drugs do you have a good support system at home? ?I
> > don't know any easy way out of this. ?I stopped Methadone "cold turkey"
> > which WAS NOT the smartest thing I've ever done. ?Now that it's in my
> rear
> > view mirror I can say with complete confidence that all your energy, and
> > youthful vibrancy will come back at MACH 10 hyper drive... it's just that
> > you'll pretty much feel like the Queen Of Satan for about 3 months before
> > that happens. ?Well I did anyways. ?Which is where places like this forum
> > come in. ?I've had ya'll duct taped to me for quite a while. ?It helps me
> > when I start to pay too much attention to mischief, and then I feel like
> > there eye's on me...: ) Also; this is the deal on aging. ?It's ridiculous
> > for us to worry about aging while were in our 30's. ?PLUS;?40's is the
> new
> > 30's and these two decades are our prime! ?Let's not miss out on the
> phase
> > of life we're in because of the IRRELEVANT parts of our culture that
> shame
> > us on age and body image. ?They only have as much power as we allow. ?I
> > plan to have as much fun as humanly possible transitioning from Cat to
> > Cougar and I don't think I'll apologize for that. ?In other words "enjoy
> > the season your in". ? @ Jim; I'm off to unisolate myself. : )...one of
> my
> > favorite social pass times is cornering poor unsuspecting women in the
> > Sauna at my Gym and telling them my life story. ?It's like free
> therapy...:
> > ) ?Seriously; girl locker room talk makes the menfolk look like
> saints... @
> > Sergey I LOVED reading the links on Intelligence. ?You can learn a lot
> > about yourself that way. ?I have a ZERO score on the Math/Logic
> > description. ?Common Sense is overrated...(jk) Have a great weekend
> > everyone! ?I'll let you know if anything salacious or scandalous happens
> at
> > the Gym...I'm sorry but I need to find my adrenaline rush somewhere now
> > that I'm a livin all "healthy". ?The boredom is enough to kill me!
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> I
> > get friends validated inside MindVox? ? ? ? (Randy Faulconer) ? 6. Re:
> how
> > do I get friends validated inside MindVox? ? ? ? (Randy Faulconer) ? 7.
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> > Message: 1 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 10:48:43 -0800 (PST) From: danielle
> yates To: "
> > ibogaine at mindvox.com"  Subject: [Ibogaine] how do I get friends
> validated
> > inside MindVox? Message-ID: <
> > 1386355723.984.YahooMailNeo at web184306.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type:
> > text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This is a test. ?This is only a
> test...did
> > my reply just hit one thread or did it resend the whole list out? ?I'm
> not
> > that incredibly savvy with technology. ?Not because I can't figure it
> out;
> > more so because I don't care. ?But; in the hopes of not jamming everyones
> > email traffic, did I do this right? ?I was just going down the archive
> and
> > replying as that was a way better way to track and read...whoops.
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> > 449833F8-647B-4EB9-AEBC-14EB01F3EA39 at gmail.com> Content-Type:
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> > charset="utf-8" I agree with Sergey on the needle thing. When I decided
> to
> > try heroin, I had been on drugs already for ten years but I had reached a
> > point where I did not care if I lived or died. My boyfriend that I lived
> > with had just bought me a brand new Z-4 but he was an addict as well, and
> > had kicked me out of the house more than once, I was estranged from my
> > family and I hated my life. I was raised better than to be a junkie. I
> > swear it is this knowledge that has fed the insecurity that being an
> addict
> > breeds in me today. I simply never had a skeleton in my closet to blame
> my
> > addictive behaviors on. The worst thing that could happen to a person
> (that
> > has happened to me) IMHO is that they could be a "functioning addict"
> their
> > entire life. It is like I've managed to get by with all of my teeth in
> tact
> > (the last dentist I went to told me I must have half a million dollars of
> > dental work in my mouth), graduate from college, have a child, a nice
> condo
> > to live in, always a nice car to drive, etc. AL L bc I've had the perfect
> > enablers to keep me afloat. Instead of feeling accomplished at 39 years
> > old, I feel like I am still about 18 years old.? Well maybe 21
> mentally.? I
> > am a young person trapped in what feels like a suddenlyolder woman's
> body.
> > Seems like out of no where I have aches when I get up, I am able to nap
> on
> > command, I am getting gray hair!!! Ahhhh!! I thought I'd never get old
> and
> > I didn't start to feel it till about a year ago. Now that I think about
> it,
> > this whole thing was exaggerated ten fold by my switching off of suboxone
> > three months ago!! I'm afraid I'll never have the energy I need to get
> off
> > of opiates completely. Probably ditching my 60 MGs of Prozac a month ago
> > was a contributing factor. Anyway.. The reason I'm piping up is this. Is
> it
> > not something that doctors understand that to get opiate free, it would
> be
> > in the patients best interest to quit or jump off from SAOs vs. sub or
> > methadone? Am I wrong to assume that the goal is to get off of the long
> > acting ones whether you are doing an ibogaine treatment or not? Isn't it
> > easier on your body regardless? Why does it seem like the ibogaine list
> > knows this but the medical field helps addicts to quit with only
> methadone
> > or suboxone?? I am down to two 10 mg methadone pills and plan to see a dr
> > Monday to ask for an Rx for SAOS to ween off methadone. Is he gonna laugh
> > in my face?? Also... At Sergey where can I learn more about the different
> > kinds of intelligence? That was very interesting to me:-D . Thanks in
> > advance!? Danielle hang in there!? And you are doing good. Don't forget
> to
> > acknowledge your progress. Like you told me ..it's baby steps in the
> right
> > direction (life). May the odds be always in the favor of each and every
> one
> > of you! Annette Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone On Dec 6, 2013,
> at
> > 12:02 PM, Sergey Sibirian  wrote: Jim, others?. Anyone who can stick a
> > needle full of soul-devouring, body-rotting poison inside his vein
> doesn't
> > love himself. Or doesn't love himself ENOUGH. Or doesn't love himself
> YET.
> > Or """"? ? ? ""? ? ? """? ? ? AS A WHOLE. Or, either, etc, etc? But the
> > "NOT LOVE" is always there. I watched a BBC docu recently about IQ and
> > different types of intelligence. In short, the conclusion was that IQ
> test
> > is pretty much BS in terms of assessing A person's intelligence. WHY???
> > BECAUSE THERE ARE AT LEAST 7 TYPES OF INTELLIGENCES, plus sub-groups...
> 1.1
> > Musical 1.2 Spatial 1.3 Verbal?linguistic 1.4 Logical?mathematical 1.5
> > Bodily?kinesthetic 1.6 Interpersonal 1.7 Intrapersonal 1.8 Naturalistic
> 1.9
> > Existential So to measure a person's intelligence with a standardized,
> VERY
> > narrow calibrated IQ test is like?. I don't know? It's like saying a car
> is
> > good or bad by measuring how fast it can reach 100 km/h. 3 sec? Great! 10
> > sec? Boooo!!!?. But then there's the reliability, the design, the resale
> > value, the spaciousness, the longevity of life, the maintenance cost,
> etc,
> > etc?. So my point is: WE ALL HAVE OUR STRONG SIDE. BUT THE SOCIETY JUDGES
> > YOUR "SUCCESS" BY THE AMOUNT OF MONEY YOU HAVE IN YOUR BANK. By the house
> > you live in, the car you drive, the number of vacations you can afford,
> the
> > size of the diamond ring your wife has? The society is sick. Or I prefer
> > "NOT YET EVOLVED ENOUGH" Like a child. If every individual was given a
> > chance to become HIS STRONGEST in life, TO DEVELOP HIS TALENT, TO BE
> > APPRECIATED AND LOVED, NEEDED BY SOCIETY?.. We judge ourselves through
> the
> > eyes of others. It took me some time to fully understand that one? If
> every
> > individual was given a place depending on his talent. I keep saying IF,
> IF,
> > IF. I SHOULD SAY "WHEN". WHEN EVERY INDIVIDUAL?. We are evolving as
> humans.
> > Like I told Danielle, just 200 years ago, a man had to plow 12 hours a
> day
> > and would die by the age of 40, a complete wreck? Today we have countries
> > like Canada, where medical care is free for everyone, and where the poor
> > have a safety net (welfare, shelters, food banks?) Internet. Man on the
> > moon, probes on Mars, Venus, Moons of Jupiter, one probe is even leaving
> > our solar system. Human genome project. Artificial limbs DNA sequencing
> > Bio-printing, promise of replacement organs and limbs FROM YOUR OWN
> > stem-cells. SO ON!!! One day this period will be looked upon as medieval
> > times, as something ephemeral, unreal, forgotten in the past and buried
> > with the barbaric ancestors?. Phew! I get carried away with this type of
> > subjects. Wish you well people Sergey > On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:28 PM,
> Jim
> > Hadey3  wrote: > > Hi Danielle, > > >>> we are learning & evolving! I
> > never understood addiction being referred to as a "disease"? <<< > > Some
> > people says it is a disease some say it is being weak.? People who are
> > diabetics take a shot two or three times a day because they have sugar
> > diabetes but addicts can not take a shot or two a day because they need
> > it.? If your feeling down and out, lonely, depressed, angry, etc and ya
> > take a shot of heroin you feel much better.? Kind of a strange analogy of
> > course we know that don't work all that well.? > > >>> What am I not
> facing
> > or dealing with that is causing me to run?" Inevitably that thought
> process
> > brings me to rehashing memories that I still don't know how to
> understand.
> > <<< > > I am just a guy on the internet and not a shrink but on the
> problem
> > above you may need professional help like a therapist or something.? It
> is
> > causing you a lot of pain, suffering and mental anguish.? Try it out for
> a
> > month and see if it helps - just and idea. > > >>> ... Which starts a
> self
> > destructive spiral of trying to make sense or find closure on things that
> > will never unhappen. <<< > > To me you sound like a very unhappy person
> > with a lot of problems.? I really do not like to talk about NA and things
> > like that on this forum.? I bring it up only because two days ago we had
> > the subject 'Do you love yourself?'.? Kind of a strange topic and many
> > addicts did not love themselves, could this be a problem for you??? A guy
> > said what I have heard before - You forgive others why not forgive
> > yourself?? Or God (if you believe - not going there)? forgives others and
> > he will forgive you too.? I am not going to ask what you did that was so
> > bad but I doubt you ever killed anyone or ran over anyone with a car on
> > purpose and I bet you never robbed a bank or shoot up a school full of
> > kids.? I don't think your as bad a person as you think, your letter was
> > beautiful, it also showed intelligence.? You just got to get yourself on
> > the right track.? I am not a shrink or therapist but I do feel your
> pain.?
> > How do you get on the right track I have no idea.? I guess it is
> different
> > for each person and set of problems they face and may very well be trial
> > and error? therapists, shrinks, meetings, etc.? > > Are you by any chance
> > isolating?? I was down to using $10 of heroin a month - a month.? I
> wanted
> > to be off completely but I had to use once month or have w/d symptoms.?
> > Sister told me I was isolating and to go to a meeting and it was so
> strange
> > that I went.? After all I am not the type to go to a meeting because some
> > chick 100s of miles away told me to but for some reason I did.? I still
> > shot up once a month for 5 months and have been free for 2.5 years. > > I
> > wish you the best and hope you find happiness, yeah finding happiness is
> > pretty hard now a daz, maybe that's why we used dope.? Please keep
> trying,
> > get help, talk to people on this forum as I found this forum has been
> very
> > helpful.? This is not a regular forum but you know that.? BTW - nice
> baby.
> > > > Best, > >? - JIM > > > > Which starts a self destructive spiral of
> > trying to make sense or find closure on things that will never unhappen.
> >
> > > >> On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 11:12 AM, danielle yates  wrote: >> @
> > Annette; I know it wasn't funny but when you shared your "Green Gatorade"
> > warning I did accidentally laugh some of my coffee into my nose.? NOT
> > because addiction is funny; but when you just step back and think about
> the
> > things we are willing to do to fix ourselves it's a dark comedy.? Except
> > it's happening to us so it isn't funny.? Hang in there honey...I have no
> > logistical advice but I got your back.? You don't even want to know some
> of
> > things I was willing to do to get my hands on Ibogaine (I'll p.m. you the
> > Saga).? There was something so intoxicating about the hope of being freed
> > from the torture of my compulsions.? There still is...? P.S.? I will
> never
> > look @ green Gatorade the same again. >> >> @ Sergey; thank God we are
> > learning & evolving!? I never understood addiction being referred to as a
> > "disease" but I can absolutely see how a physiological, genetic,
> chemical,
> > and/or environmental predisposition can create a perfect storm.? I
> watched
> > a Documentary about the opiate epidemic in Afghanistan.? Sadly; their
> rehab
> > clinics were very primitive.? I felt their approach was well meaning but
> > their whole recovery model was centered around shame and toughening up,
> > with a condemning religious overtures thrown in.? Maybe they didn't get
> the
> > memo on how an addict will beat themselves down and damn themselves to
> Hell
> > far better than any external source so if confessing and embracing that
> > their a piece of shit would've solved their problem they'd have put this
> > behind them a long time ago.? >> >> Evidence based information that not
> > only offers cause & effect understanding but nuts-and-bolts practical
> > application are the most refreshing and effective sources of change for
> > me.? Also; this type of human interaction where I'm in a safe, loving
> > environment but completely transparent. That's a whole new concept for me
> > and I love it. >> >> @ Isabelle if you could look through your computer
> and
> > have seen me after your encouraging words to Eddie you would have seen me
> > giving you a Standing Ovation Whooping Round-of-Applause.? Every word you
> > said resonated with me...I know you were talking to Eddie but there was a
> > lot of wisdom I had no problem applying to me.? I hope you speak up
> more!?
> > >> >> So let me ask you this:? I want a genuine Body, Soul, and Spirit
> > recovery.? Right now I'm on a "clean streak" but I'm by no means
> > liberated.? My brain, emotions, body, EVERYTHING is just waiting for
> when I
> > get to "check out again."? If I told myself that I was never going to
> abuse
> > whatever it is again I'd probably give myself a nervous breakdown because
> > the life sentence of being trapped in my own head uninterrupted is a fate
> > worse than death to me and I mean that literally.? I'll go in these
> cycles
> > where I get so frustrated with all my dysfunction and I feel panicked to
> > fix myself so I'll think to myself: "What is it that brought me to this
> > place?? What am I not facing or dealing with that is causing me to run?"?
> > Inevitably that thought process brings me to rehashing memories that I
> > still don't know how to understand.? Which starts a self destructive
> spiral
> > of trying to make sense or find closure on things that will never
> > unhappen.? They will be trapped in my fucking skull foreve r.? No matter
> > where I go they be there...ready for me to remember.? So then I slip
> into a
> > victim mentality, and I know I'm doing it but usually by this stage of
> the
> > spiral I'm so pissed about everything I just feel like I just relived
> that
> > I feel justified in the fact that there were some legitimate sadistic
> > fucking bullshit that I need to get over.? Then I ping pong from victim
> > mentality to anger because when I feel angry I feel strong.? Almost all
> the
> > other form of emotions make me feel weak, which makes me feel scared
> which
> > makes me furious!!? Are you seeing the cycle here?? So how do I reconcile
> > the undealt with factors that "feed my need" without caving into the
> victim
> > mentality, self hatred, self destructive, or despairing way of thinking??
> > How do I wrap my mind around my history, present, or future without
> sending
> > myself into a full blown tail spin YET being real with myself about the
> > factors that I need to acknowledge? >> From: "
> ibogaine-request at mindvox.com"
> >  >> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com >> Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 5:45 PM
> > >> Subject: Ibogaine Digest, Vol 70, Issue 8 >> >> Send Ibogaine mailing
> > list submissions to ibogaine at mindvox.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via
> > the World Wide Web, visit
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> > Today's Topics: 1. Re: how do I get friends validated inside MindVox?
> (Jim
> > Hadey3) 2. Re: (no subject) (Sergey Sibirian) 3. Re: how do I get friends
> > validated inside MindVox? (Valarie) 4. Re: side note on Heroin music
> > (Sergey Sibirian) 5. Re: (no subject) (Valarie) 6. Re: Anyone remember???
> > (Sergey Sibirian) 7. Re: Ibogaine affordably? (Sergey Sibirian) 8. Re:
> (no
> > subject) (Valarie) 9. Re: how do I get friends validated inside MindVox?
> > (Pat Gallina) 10. Re: how do I get friends validated inside MindVox? (Pat
> > Gallina) 11. Re: side note on heroin m usic (Danielle) (Sergey Sibirian)
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Message: 1 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 13:30:30 -0500 From: Jim Hadey3 To: The
> > Ibogaine List Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how do I get friends validated
> inside
> > MindVox? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi
> Pat
> > In all due respect you should learn more before taking it. In answer to
> > your question you compute you dose like this: 180 weight ----- == 82
> > (rounded) KG 2.2 Amount you want to take - you convert grams to
> milligrams
> > by multiplying by 1000. Example 1 gram weighs 1000 mg 2 grams weighs 2000
> > mg 1.5 grams weight 1500 mg So take you weight into grams and divide into
> > the amount of HCL you think you want to take. We will use 2 grams for an
> > example 2000 MG Which is two grams ------ 82 divide by weight in KG and
> you
> > get 24.69 mg/kg - way too high You are looking for an number between 15
> and
> > 20. Now lets use 1.5 gm which is 1500 mg 1500 ------ = 18.29 so round to
> > 18.3 g m 82 For me 18.3 grams did the trick, done cracked ma head, but
> > everything is OK now. I would not want to go any higher it was the
> perfect
> > dose for me. Being an addict we all want more or the highest dose we can
> > get. It depends on what your trying to kick, if you trying to kick Sub or
> > Methadone you will most likely fail, most who have tried that failed.
> They
> > tried hard too but after feeling so weak and bad you just can't take it
> > anymore. Also, don't think your now clean and can use now and then for
> that
> > will not work, ask anybody. Again you should learn a bit more about the
> > drug for it is not like any other drug you have ever taken. This forum
> is a
> > good place to get info. I thinks a few yashoulds may be helpful so ya
> > should have an experienced sitter, ya should keep the puke bucket with
> you
> > at all times, ya should not expect to take it Friday and be at work
> Monday,
> > ya should not be taking any SSRIs or NIs and a bunch more. I wish you the
> > best of luck and I am sure the others on the forum do too. Ask any
> > questions before taking the Exp. Best, - JIM On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:36
> > AM, Pat Gallina wrote: > Hi friends, does anyone know what kind of dosage
> > if I take ibogaine > hydrochloride I don't know the amount of dosage I
> > should take I am make 35 > years old 180 pounds does anybody know what
> kind
> > of dosage I should take in > milligrams?? Thanks friends > > Sent from my
> > iPhone > > On Dec 4, 2013, at 9:46 PM, Valarie wrote: > > Jeff, Don't
> scare
> > me! Lol. > I still never found the email. Although I did see it with the
> > link Patrick > provided, so it must be my email account. > On Dec 4, 2013
> > 6:43 PM, "Jeff G" wrote: > >> I think it's an illuminati conspiracy
> Val....
> > >> Watch your back. >> Jeff >> On Dec 4, 2013 5:58 PM, "Valarie" wrote:
> >>
> > >>> Thanks Patrick, That must be what it is, because I still don't see it
> > on >>> my end. >>> How embarrassing I'm glad I didn't keep posting until
> I
> > saw it. >>> <3 Val >>> On Dec 4, 2013 9:28 AM, "Patrick K. Kroupa" wrote:
> > >>> >>>> You've actually posted it twice now. >>>> >>>> To see what
> > everybody else sees, look at the archives, which are: >>>>
> > http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/ >>>> >>>> For December, it'd
> > be: >>>>
> http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/2013-December/date.html>>>>
> >>>> You've sent 2 messages called "Silver" at this point. >>>> >>>>
> > There is occasional lag because the list is very large, new accounts >>>>
> > are added, old ones that unsubscribe or start bouncing are automagically
> > >>>> removed, but the membership has hovered at about 10,000 subscribers
> > for >>>> half a decade or so. >>>> >>>> Lag means: it may take 3 minutes
> > from the time you hit send, until the >>>> time everybody receives your
> > message, but there is never a time where it'll >>>> take hours or days,
> > unless there are technical problems, which can happen, >>>> but it tends
> to
> > happen for everybody, not just one person, and is at our >>>> end. There
> > haven't been any issues for a few months since we finished >>>> transiti
> > oning the list to new servers. >>>> >>>> Not seeing your own posts can
> > relate to either your own list settings >>>> -- you've told the mailing
> > list not to send duplicate copies, and mail you >>>> back your own posts
> > which are already sitting in your Sent mail box -- or >>>> how you've
> > configured your email client (look in your spam folder, if >>>> they're
> in
> > there, check them and mark them as Not Spam). >>>> >>>> On Dec 4, 2013,
> at
> > 11:15 AM, Valarie wrote: >>>> >>>> > A new thread from me? >>>> > Weird,
> I
> > don't see it anywhere, I see Silver's post asking Patrick >>>> how to
> post
> > that's it. >>>> > Thank you for letting me know. >>>> > <3 Val >>>> >
> >>>>
> > > On Dec 4, 2013 8:13 AM, "junkboy64" wrote: >>>> > It posted. I saw it
> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first
> > nationwide 4G network. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -------- Original
> > message -------- >>>> > From: Valarie >>>> > Date: 12/04/2013 8:11 AM
> > (GMT-07:00) >>>> > To: The Ibogaine List >>>> > Subject: Re : [Ibogaine]
> > how do I get friends validated inside MindVox? >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > I
> > created a new post on Monday night and it still hasn't posted. >>>> > So
> I
> > re-sent it last night and it still has not posted. >>>> > I double
> checked
> > my email, it shows I sent it right. >>>> > Is this happening to anyone
> > else? >>>> > <3 Val >>>> > >>>> > On Dec 3, 2013 3:22 PM, "Vector Vector"
> > >>>> wrote: >>>> > Ok duh I missed invite friends the first 15 times it
> got
> > mentioned >>>> ;-) Thanks, that clarified a lot. >>>> >>>> >>>> -=[)
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> > -0500 From: Sergey Sibirian To: The Ibogaine List Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]
> > (no subject) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Val,
> to
> > be honest Val, I'm not sure which video Jim is referring to? I post a lot
> > of stuff, much of which is just annoying? :D (it might be the "Detox or
> > Die" video) Sergey ? On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 4:03 AM, Valarie wrote: > Jim
> > you do your homework! . > Sergie I must have missed the video Jim is
> > referring to, can you repost it > or just email it to me? Thank you. > <3
> > Val > On Dec 1, 2013 12:39 AM, "Randy Faulconer" wrote: > >> Jim is the
> man
> > >> >> Randy >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 12:47 AM, Sergey Sibirian
> > wrote: >> >>> Jim! >>> >>> I just put a bright star next to this
> particular
> > thread. >>> SO i can easily spot itpo >>> Honestly though, what you did,
> > the research you carried out is simply >>> priceless. >>> Or there is a
> > price: HOURS OF MY TIME. >>> >>> Plus, to be able to spot the right/mot
> > relevant info is nothing short of >>> serious skill >>> >>> Thanks agsin.
> > >>> >>> Sergey >>> >>> So I'm early grateful. >>> I'll go through every
> > link >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Jim Hadey3 wrote: >>>
> > >>>> >>>> Hi Serge, >>>> >>>> Google reverse opiate tolerance this is the
> > first page. >>>> >>>> (opioids) Is it possible to reverse opioid tole
> > rance? - Bluelight >>>> >>>>
> >
> www.bluelight.ru/vb/.../637458-Is-it-possible-to-reverse-opioid-toleranc.
> ..
> > >>>> ? >>>> >>>> >>>> Aug 15, 2012 - 25 posts - ?17 authors >>>> I often
> > hear people say the only thing that can reverse tolerance to >>>> opioids
> > is time without taking the drug, or that you can only slow the >>>>
> > ...(opioids) Using naloxone to counter tolerance 14 posts May 11, 2012
> >>>>
> > DXM - The Opiate Addicts's Miracle Drug, PLEASE READ 25 posts Aug 18,
> >>>>
> > 2010 >>>> NMDA antagonists for tolerance, a collection of the ... 25
> posts
> > May 5, >>>> 2010 >>>> Preventing/reducing opiate tolerance 25 posts Jul
> 10,
> > 2007 >>>> More results from www.bluelight.ru >>>> >>>> Tryptophan
> loading
> > may reverse tolerance to opiate analgesics in ... >>>>
> > www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7454382? >>>> >>>> by Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 -
> > ?Cited by 55 - ?Related articles >>>> Five patients on chronic opiate
> > medication to treat low-back and leg >>>> pain were determined to have
> > developed opiate tolerance on the ? basis of >>>> their failure to ...
> >>>>
> > Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing Receptor Sensitivity ... >>>>
> > www.drugs-forum.com ? ... ? DRUG-FORUMS ? Opiates & Opioids? >>>> >>>>
> > >>>> Oct 11, 2008 - 26 posts - ?1 author >>>> Pharmacology - Opioid
> > Tolerance: Reversing Receptor Sensitivity ... and >>>> can prevent or
> even
> > reverse the development of tolerance to opioid >>>> ...Tolerance - Does
> > tolerance never fully go away? 9 posts Sep 6, 2012 >>>> Combinations -
> > Dandelion Root for Opiate Tolerance 2 posts Jan 11, 2011 >>>> Addiction -
> > Resetting a Kratom tolerance 26 posts Apr 8, 2010 >>>> Effects - Possible
> > reverse tolerance? 10 posts Jan 28, 2010 >>>> More results from
> > www.drugs-forum.com >>>> >>>> Reversing Opioid Tolerance - Chronic Pain
> -
> > HealingWell.com Forum >>>> www.healingwell.com ? ... ? Diseases &
> > Conditions ? Chronic Pain? >>>> >>>> >>>> May 23, 2010 - 8 posts - ?4
> > authors >>>> I have been using opioid (tramadol, hydrocodone and
> oxycodone)
> > for 6 >>>> years, ... Though ? there are drugs to permanently reverse
> > tolerance for ... >>>> Changing concepts of opioid tolerance >>>>
> > www.painresearch.utah.edu/cancerpain/ch20.html? >>>> >>>> >>>> What
> these
> > classical studies showed is that tolerance does develop to >>>> opioid
> > ..... are associated with dramatic reduction in pain and rapid >>>>
> > reversal of tolerance. >>>> Opioids, Cannabinoids, and reverse tolerance
> -
> > Social Anxiety Forum >>>> www.socialanxietysupport.com ? ... ? Recovery
> ?
> > Medication? >>>> >>>> >>>> Nov 11, 2010 - 14 posts - ?8 authors >>>>
> > According to this research video, they found that THC can synergize >>>>
> > with Opioids and decrease and even reverse opioid tolerance. I got my ...
> > >>>> Does anything other than TIME lower tolerance? [Archive ... >>>>
> > forum.opiophile.org/archive/index.php/t-1447.html? >>>> >>>> >>>> Feb 8,
> > 2006 - 16 posts - ?11 authors >>>> The drugs-Hydroxyzine(produces a rough
> > "doubling" of opiate effects ... >>>> effectiveness AND the
> > prevention/reversal of tolerance thr ough the use ... >>>> [PDF] >>>>
> > Inhibition of opiate tolerance by non-competitive N ... - Deep Blue >>>>
> > deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/.../0000783.pdf?...1?
> > >>>> >>>> >>>> by KA Trujillo - ?1994 - ?Related articles >>>> The NMDA
> > antagonists were found to inhibit the development but not the >>>>
> > expression of opiate tolerance; i.e. they were able to prevent but not
> >>>>
> > reverse tolerance. >>>> This can prevent or even reverse opiate
> tolerance.
> > It's also an opiate >>>> ... >>>>
> > www.reddit.com/r/.../this_can_prevent_or_even_reverse_opiate_toleranc...
> > >>>> ? >>>> >>>> Aug 4, 2009 - This can prevent or even reverse opiate
> > tolerance. It's >>>> also an opiate potentiator and is not a controlled
> > substance in the U.S. >>>> but its no longer ... >>>> Tryptophan loading
> > may reverse tolerance to opiate ... - ScienceDirect >>>>
> > www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0304395980900044? >>>> >>>> by
> > Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related articles >>>> Mar 27, 2003
> -
> > Fiv e patients on chronic opiate medication to treat >>>> low-back and
> leg
> > pain were determined to have developed opiate tolerance on >>>> the basis
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> > -0800 From: Valarie To: The Ibogaine List Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how do
> I
> > get friends validated inside MindVox? Message-ID: Content-Type:
> text/plain;
> > charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Pat, To figure out your dosage you can go to
> > http://www.doraweiner.org/ That is the foundation Howard Lotsof founded.
> > Lotsof Love, Val On Dec 5, 2013 8:52 AM, "Pat Gallina" wrote: > Hi
> friends,
> > does anyone know what kind of dosage if I take ibogaine > hydrochloride I
> > don't know the amount of dosage I should take I am make 35 > years old
> 180
> > pounds does anybody know what kind of dosage I should take in >
> > milligrams?? Thanks friends > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 4, 2013,
> at
> > 9:46 PM, Valarie wrote: > > Jeff, Don't scare me! Lol. > I still never
> > found the email. Although I did see it with the link Patrick > provided,
> so
> > it must be my email account. > On Dec 4, 2013 6 :43 PM, "Jeff G" wrote: >
> > >> I think it's an illuminati conspiracy Val.... >> Watch your back. >>
> > Jeff >> On Dec 4, 2013 5:58 PM, "Valarie" wrote: >> >>> Thanks Patrick,
> > That must be what it is, because I still don't see it on >>> my end. >>>
> > How embarrassing I'm glad I didn't keep posting until I saw it. >>> <3
> Val
> > >>> On Dec 4, 2013 9:28 AM, "Patrick K. Kroupa" wrote: >>> >>>> You've
> > actually posted it twice now. >>>> >>>> To see what everybody else sees,
> > look at the archives, which are: >>>>
> > http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/ >>>> >>>> For December, it'd
> > be: >>>>
> http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/2013-December/date.html>>>>
> >>>> You've sent 2 messages called "Silver" at this point. >>>> >>>>
> > There is occasional lag because the list is very large, new accounts >>>>
> > are added, old ones that unsubscribe or start bouncing are automagically
> > >>>> removed, but the membership has hovered at about 10,000 subscribers
> > for >>>> half a decade or so. >>>> >>>> Lag means: it ma y take 3 minutes
> > from the time you hit send, until the >>>> time everybody receives your
> > message, but there is never a time where it'll >>>> take hours or days,
> > unless there are technical problems, which can happen, >>>> but it tends
> to
> > happen for everybody, not just one person, and is at our >>>> end. There
> > haven't been any issues for a few months since we finished >>>>
> > transitioning the list to new servers. >>>> >>>> Not seeing your own
> posts
> > can relate to either your own list settings >>>> -- you've told the
> mailing
> > list not to send duplicate copies, and mail you >>>> back your own posts
> > which are already sitting in your Sent mail box -- or >>>> how you've
> > configured your email client (look in your spam folder, if >>>> they're
> in
> > there, check them and mark them as Not Spam). >>>> >>>> On Dec 4, 2013,
> at
> > 11:15 AM, Valarie wrote: >>>> >>>> > A new thread from me? >>>> > Weird,
> I
> > don't see it anywhere, I see Silver's post asking Patrick >>>> how to
> post
> > that's it. >>>> > Thank you f or letting me know. >>>> > <3 Val >>>> >
> >>>>
> > > On Dec 4, 2013 8:13 AM, "junkboy64" wrote: >>>> > It posted. I saw it
> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first
> > nationwide 4G network. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -------- Original
> > message -------- >>>> > From: Valarie >>>> > Date: 12/04/2013 8:11 AM
> > (GMT-07:00) >>>> > To: The Ibogaine List >>>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]
> how
> > do I get friends validated inside MindVox? >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > I
> created a
> > new post on Monday night and it still hasn't posted. >>>> > So I re-sent
> it
> > last night and it still has not posted. >>>> > I double checked my email,
> > it shows I sent it right. >>>> > Is this happening to anyone else? >>>> >
> > <3 Val >>>> > >>>> > On Dec 3, 2013 3:22 PM, "Vector Vector" >>>> wrote:
> > >>>> > Ok duh I missed invite friends the first 15 times it got mentioned
> > >>>> ;-) Thanks, that clarified a lot. >>>> >>>> >>>> -=[) :::::::
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> > From: Sergey Sibirian To: The Ibogaine List Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] side
> > note on Heroin music Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain;
> > charset="windows-1252" Danielle, In a very short version, I'd like to
> tell
> > you that our society has reached the level of evolution of a 5 year old.
> > Maybe less. And that's a crude comparison. Our society is primitive and
> > centred around self adoration, consumerism, and separation/seclusion. But
> > we are evolving. Just 200 years ago people would plow land 12/24 and die
> at
> > 40 years old. Today we have countries like Canada, where healthcare is
> free
> > and a safety-net for the most vulnerable in society is in place. There's
> > internet. We went to the moon, mars, Venus jupiter, and one of our probes
> > is leaving the solar system?. Robots are getting into our homes. The
> human
> > genome has been sequenced. Life expectancy doesn't stop increasing. Etc.,
> > Etc., Etc,?. As soon as we pass on to the next l evel as a species, as a
> > society, things will be different. It might not happen in our life-time,
> > but it is inevitable. Wish you well Stay positive, nature balances things
> > out. Sergey On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 10:57 PM, danielle yates wrote: > >
> > Okay; I have to say I got a HUUUUUUUGE education on the Heroin Music >
> > forum. I've never used Heroin but I feel opiates in general are headed
> in >
> > the same direction so I like to here or see what people that are
> struggling
> > > or overcoming are listening to. > > DISCLAIMER ~ NO ONE IS ALOUD TO
> LAUGH
> > AT ME!!! (Deep cleansing breath > in) Honest to God; I had no idea who
> any
> > of them were. Mostly in regards > to never hearing their music. Of
> course I
> > know who John Lennon is but I > had no idea he had a song called "Cold
> > Turkey". Most especially I didn't > know who Alice In Chains are (they
> were
> > around during my teen years). I > have no idea how I missed that (in my
> > adult life). The reason for my lack > of exposure, is I was raised in a
> > community very ? similar to the Amish as > I've mentioned before. For
> those
> > who don't know what that is, it's > basically a very strict, and
> > disciplined lifestyle centered around the > Christian Faith. I had no
> T.V.,
> > NO secular music, no pants (for females) > and all the other stuff. > >
> > When I watched the AIC video I was like; "HOLY HELL WHO'S THE BEAUTIFUL >
> > BLOND DUDE?" I mean really; he had that whole Greek God thang goin ON!
> So >
> > naturally I googled his name (Layne Staley) because I wanted to stalk >
> > him...er; um, I mean hear more of his music. ; ) > > I CAN'T BELIEVE HE'S
> > DEAD!! I know you all dealt with that about 10 years > ago; but let me
> have
> > this. What a sad waste of friggin talent and beauty! > His story is so
> > depressing! He went to 13 different rehab centers and > then gave up. At
> > one point he told one of his band mates that; "he wasn't > coming back
> from
> > this. This is it." (referring to Heroin) That statement > ferments and
> > oozes despair...a despair I'm sure many of us have felt while ? >
> > contending with the same demons. > > Clearly I need a crash course on the
> > Grunge time period as I was in Church > while all that was going on (not
> by
> > my own free will). Well wait; I was > in Church mostly. The rest of the
> > time I was in Sin City learning about > all the things I wasn't supposed
> to
> > look at. : D > > So this is my question: Was Ibogaine available or known
> in
> > those social > circles? Was the concept of a "maintenance program" with
> > methadone or sub > being utilized? Did rehabs have meds to allow for a
> > detox that didn't > involve wanting to off yourself? Feel free to
> volunteer
> > any pertinent > details. > > This begs the question; who has died or is
> > curled up in their home, more > consumed with feeding their habit than
> > getting busy with the God given > gifts they have? What if one of those
> > fatalities would've found a cure for > Cancer? What if one of those lives
> > could have made the difference between > war and peace in the Middle East
> > Crisis? What about all the beautiful > ? babies that will never take
> their
> > first breadth, or the love stories that > were robbed of their season to
> > bloom? It's beyond my ability to wrap my > mind around the catastrophic
> > damage that happens every where, all the time, > on a daily basis because
> > of addiction. > > It makes me so utterly sad to think about. > > > > >
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> > Iboga Vissions (Valarie) > 2. Re: wanna say goodbye, wanna wish you all
> > nice xmas, happy > new year and everything! (Valarie) > 3. Re: wanna say
> > goodbye, wanna wish you all nice xmas, happy > new year and everything!
> > (Jeff G) > 4. Re: Homeland (Valarie) > 5. Re: Homeland (Nyc Labret?) > 6.
> > Re: Homeland (Jim Hadey3) > 7. (no subject) (Jim Hadey3) > 8. eddie (star
> > ray) > 9. Re: Homeland (Sergey Sibirian) > 10. Re: wanna say goodbye,
> wanna
> > wish you all nice xmas, happy > new year and everything! (Sergey
> Sibirian)
> > > 11. Star, Val and all (danielle yates) > 12. Re: (no subject) (Sergey
> > Sibirian) > 13. Re: Homeland (Randy Faulconer) > 14. Re: (no subject)
> > (Randy Faulconer) > 15. Re: (no subject) (Jim Hadey3) > 16. Re: (no
> > subject) (Valarie) > 17. Re: eddie (Eddie Caceres) > 18. Re: eddie (Jim
> > Hadey3) > > >
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> > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:38:26 -0800 > From: Valarie > To:
> > The Ibogaine L ist > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga Vissions >
> Message-ID: >
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Leo, I definitely
> > agree with Sergie. > It is very dangerous to stop taking benzodiazepine
> > before you do ibogaine, > do to risk of seizures. > This one ibogaine
> > facility I called told me to stop taking xanex one week > before my
> > treatment which is absolutely CRAZY and I told them that they > were
> going
> > to kill someone. > Once I found out about Ibogaine I made a hard decision
> > to go from Xanex to > Colonzapam. I have had plenty of seizures due to
> > benzodiazepine > withdrawal, and had to be careful. > I don't know if the
> > Ibogaine helped with not needing as much but my benzo > intake has gone
> > down significantly since I did my treatment. > I am actually only taking
> > half of the dose which is prescribed to me, and > find it easier to taper
> > since I did my ibogaine treatment. > Because I had to take the colonzapam
> > during my treatment I did not have > very many visions, Ibogaine of
> course
> > was still greatly beneficial as I am > now off opiots after 13 years of
> > use. > I hope to be completely off the colonzapam within 3 months and
> would
> > like > to do Ibogaine again for spiritual purposes. > Which is why I
> asked
> > about HCL vs TA. > > Lotsof Love, Val > On Nov 30, 2013 7:54 AM, "Sergey
> > Sibirian" wrote: > > > Val, Leo > > > > Benzos addiction is by far the
> > worst IN TERMS OF PHYSICAL DEPENDANCY. > > I'm not talking ADDICTION AS A
> > WHOLE. > > From what I read and researched, Ibo does NOT reset benzo
> > addiction. > > And it makes sense, to me at least. > > If opioids fuck
> with
> > the endorphine system in our brain, the benzos fuck > > with > > Our
> brains
> > much more basic system: homeostasys and GABBA. > > Homeostatys is
> basically
> > a state of balance the brain has to maintain at > > any price between the
> > "up" and "down" states. > > Between stimulation/action and
> > depression/deactivation. > > And this is exactly what delirium tremens
> is:
> > > > The brain has been long "down" stimul ated by alcohol, which also
> acts
> > on > > GABBA receptors. > > So when a person abruptly stops drinking, the
> > "up" part of brain is > > active, while the "down" waits for alcohol to
> do
> > its job. > > The result is a loss of balance in favor of the "up", and
> > delirium > tremens > > sets in. > > Convulsions, hallucinations, and
> > ultimately possible coma or death... > > > > With heroin/opioids, no
> matter
> > the severity of WD, there's no danger of > > death. > > With GABBA
> > agonists, such as benzos and alcohol, there is. > > All that to point out
> > that benzo addiction is very serious and in my > > humble opinion, should
> > NEVER be interrupted > > But rather tapered down. > > But then again, I'm
> > no expert on benzo addiction, although I've > personally > > witnessed
> two
> > persons being brought to the hospital > > In state of coma due to alcohol
> > WD. > > That pretty much shocked me so I did some research and NEVER
> touch
> > > benzos. > > > > Wish you well > > > > Sergey > > > > > > On Saturday,
> 30
> > November 20 13, leomroz24 wrote: > > > >> So it did help you with the
> Benzo
> > dt's? I have heard from some people > >> that it does not take away the
> > withdrawals from benzo and also I have > heard > >> many people getting
> rid
> > of there addiction since it took them to the > root > >> of why they had
> > anxiety to begin with. I have been on benzo's for 7 > years > >> or so
> and
> > have cut my dose down to about 1mg per day, sometimes less > but I > >>
> > just cant seem to kick these damn things. > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Nov 30,
> > 2013 at 1:48 AM, Valarie wrote: > >> > >>> As most of you know I did not
> > get very many visions during my ibogaine > >>> treatment which was a
> > disappointment to me. > >>> Since I did Ibogaine I have cut my Colonzapam
> > intake in half from 6mgs > >>> to 3 mgs. > >>> Before treatment and
> > tapering to Colonzapam I had been on 6-14mgs of > >>> xanex a day for
> over
> > 10years > >>> I am sure this is why bidding get very many visions. > >>>
> I
> > plan to be off the colonzapam completely in about 3 months ? and want >
> to
> > > >>> do another treatment > >>> Should I get the TA or HCL again? > >>>
> My
> > boyfriend will probably watch me since my favorite person in the > >>>
> > world who treated me lives in a different state. > >>> I heard the TA is
> > more for visions, and HCL is more for the addiction > >>> is this true? >
> > >>> Thanks for your continued help. > >>> Lotsof Love, Val > >>> > >>> >
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> > 2013 11:06:43 -0800 > From: Valarie > To: The Ibogaine List > Subject:
> Re:
> > [Ibogaine] wanna say goodbye, wanna wish you all nice > xmas, happy new
> > year and everything! > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain;
> > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Have a nice trip MiGo! > Love ya, Val > On Nov
> 30,
> > 2013 7:39 AM, "Mi Go" wrote: > > > hey good people from the forum, > > >
> >
> > first of all i really appreciate to be member of that forum, first time
> i >
> > > found a forum or people with a lot of knowledge about that plant and >
> >
> > medicine where im much interested in, its really hard often to get any >
> >
> > usefull information! > > > > i wanna say thx for all the replies and
> infos
> > i got til now and wish you > > all a happy xmas etc. etc. i dont know if
> i
> > have any inet connection > there > > where i go, i have a doubt on that
> > hehe, anyway i will log in, as often > its > > possible, > > > > stand
> > strong and take care everybody, have fun and k eep up the good work, > >
> > maybe you can sent me over some positive vibes every often, i will do
> the >
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> > 2013 11:09:01 -0800 > From: Jeff G > To: The Ibogaine List > Subject: Re:
> > [Ibogaine] wanna say goodbye, wanna wish you all nice > xmas, happy new
> > year and everything! > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain;
> > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Good luck... > Stay safe. > Freak Freely! >
> Peace
> > > JeffG > On Nov 30, 2013 7:09 AM, "Mi Go" wrote: > > > hey good people
> > from the forum, > > > > first of all i really appreciate t o be member of
> > that forum, first time i > > found a forum or people with a lot of
> > knowledge about that plant and > > medicine where im much interested in,
> > its really hard often to get any > > usefull information! > > > > i wanna
> > say thx for all the replies and infos i got til now and wish you > > all
> a
> > happy xmas etc. etc. i dont know if i have any inet connection > there >
> >
> > where i go, i have a doubt on that hehe, anyway i will log in, as often >
> > its > > possible, > > > > stand strong and take care everybody, have fun
> > and keep up the good work, > > maybe you can sent me over some positive
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> > 2013 11:09:36 -0800 > From: Valarie > To: The Ibogaine List > Subject:
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> > [Ibogaine] Homeland > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain;
> > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Wow Eddie, You have a lot going on. When I was
> on
> > Subutex my depression got > really bad the 2nd year. I hope you continue
> to
> > post on here, and I will > keep you in my thoughts. > Lotsof Love, Val >
> On
> > Nov 30, 2013 7:24 AM, "Eddie Caceres" wrote: > > > Hey Serg > > Long
> story
> > I'll try keep it short. Was an H addict for some time used > > everything
> > under the sun coke, ups, crack, acid, got clean in 1990 ( > rehab) > >
> > after trying countless detoxes and col turkey. Stood clean and sober
> thru >
> > > 12 step programs for 21 yrs. Had an injury in my job that required >
> > shoulder > > surgery. Didn't really abuse the meds vics,Percocet. But the
> > monster was > > released. And I'm hooked tried the done for a while
> 2mons 3
> > 0mgs couldn't > > deal with that shit. So I tried this wonder drug
> subutex
> > so I thought > been > > on it since about 6months 2-3mg a day even though
> > my doctor wanted me on > > 8-16 a day. Can't tell you the world of
> > depression I'm in. But I've been > > researching ibo spoke to Buddy,
> Sister
> > and the guy that was on the Hbo > > program for ibo (vice). EKG was good
> > but my liver is in bad shape (hepc > +) > > can't really afford to go to
> a
> > clinic but most of all I can't even break > > the news to my family. I've
> > been hiding my addiction. But we all know > what > > doesn't come out in
> > the wash comes out in the rinse.lol. I truly respect > > you all on this
> > forum and know what I have to do but drugs and > > procrastination is a
> > mother -ucker. And no one in a 12 step program would > > even understand
> > Ibo so I don't mention it to them. I consider myself a > > spiritual
> person
> > and been relying on that a lot . Got a good job good > > family but
> > emotionally I'm falling apart. Especially after experiencing > all > >
> > those years without using. This disease is brutal to say the least. Hope
> >
> > I > > answered your question. Feel free to ask away I'm open to
> suggestion.
> > > P.S. > > I've been working out a bit since my shoulder is still messed
> > up. I've > been > > feeling better,my appetite is getting better and
> > started talking my > > vitamins again. I was big on that and had stopped.
> > Or one more thing I'm > > also a diabetic with an insulin pump. Love and
> > respect Ed. > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On Nov 29, 2013, at 10:36
> PM,
> > Sergey Sibirian > > wrote: > > > > Hi Eddie, > > > > How do you relate to
> > Ibo yourself? > > If you don't mind sharing. > > > > Wish you well > > >
> >
> > Sergey > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Eddie Caceres wrote:
> >
> > > > >> > >> Hi all. I'm Eddie been following this list for a while I just
> > don't > >> comment much. But respect you all. Just wanted to share that
> on
> > last > nights > >> episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one of the main
> > character H ooked > on > >> H and going thru bad wds so someone suggested
> > Ibogaine and they gave it > to > >> him. At least Hollywood acknowledges
> > it. Hooray. Peace > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> -=[) :::::::
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> > 2013 14:45:53 -0500 > From: Nyc Labret? > To: The Ibogaine List >
> Subject:
> > Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain;
> > charset="utf-8" > > Yours is a more common AA/NA story than you may
> > realize. > > This is anecdotal but when I was in those rooms in the late
> > 80s early/mid > 90s anecdotal lore was that the highest suicide rate was
> > among those with > +20 years of sobriety. > > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at
> > 2:09 PM, Valarie wrote: > > > Wow Eddie, You have a lot going on. When I
> > was on Subutex my depression > > got really bad the 2nd year. I hope you
> > continue to post on here, and I > > will keep you in my thoughts. > >
> > Lotsof Love, Val > > On Nov 30, 2013 7:24 AM, "Eddie Caceres" wrote: > >
> >
> > >> Hey Serg > >>? Long story I'll try keep it short. Was an H addict for
> > some time used > >> everything under the sun coke, ups, crack, acid, got
> > clean in 1990 ( > rehab) > >> after trying countless detoxes and col
> > turkey. Stood clean and sober > thru > >> 12 step programs for 21 yrs.
> Had
> > an injury in my job that required > shoulder > >> surgery. Didn't really
> > abuse the meds vics,Percocet. But the monster was > >> released. And I'm
> > hooked tried the done for a while 2mons 30mgs couldn't > >> deal with
> that
> > shit. So I tried this wonder drug subutex so I thought > been > >> on it
> > since about 6months 2-3mg a day even though my doctor wanted me on > >>
> > 8-16 a day. Can't tell you the world of depression I'm in. But I've been
> >
> > >> researching ibo spoke to Buddy, Sister and the guy that was on the
> Hbo >
> > >> program for ibo (vice). EKG was good but my liver is in bad shape
> (hepc
> > > +) > >> can't really afford to go to a clinic but most of all I can't
> > even break > >> the news to my family. I've been hiding my addiction. But
> > we all know > what > >> doesn't come out in the wash comes out in the
> > rinse.lol. I truly respect > >> you all on this forum and know what I
> have
> > to do but drugs and > >> procra stination is a mother -ucker. And no one
> in
> > a 12 step program > would > >> even understand Ibo so I don't mention it
> to
> > them. I consider myself a > >> spiritual person and been relying on that
> a
> > lot . Got a good job good > >> family but emotionally I'm falling apart.
> > Especially after experiencing > all > >> those years without using. This
> > disease is brutal to say the least. > Hope I > >> answered your question.
> > Feel free to ask away I'm open to suggestion. > P.S. > >> I've been
> working
> > out a bit since my shoulder is still messed up. I've > been > >> feeling
> > better,my appetite is getting better and started talking my > >> vitamins
> > again. I was big on that and had stopped. Or one more thing I'm > >>
> also a
> > diabetic with an insulin pump. Love and respect Ed. > >> > >> Sent from
> my
> > iPad > >> > >> On Nov 29, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Sergey Sibirian > >> wrote:
> >
> > >> > >> Hi Eddie, > >> > >> How do you relate to Ibo yourself? > >> If
> you
> > don't mind sharing. > >> > >> Wish you well > >> > >> Serg ey > >> > >> >
> > >> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Eddie Caceres > wrote: > >> > >>> >
> >>>
> > Hi all. I'm Eddie been following this list for a while I just don't > >>>
> > comment much. But respect you all. Just wanted to share that on last >
> > nights > >>> episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one of the main
> > character > Hooked on > >>> H and going thru bad wds so someone suggested
> > Ibogaine and they gave > it to > >>> him. At least Hollywood acknowledges
> > it. Hooray. Peace > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> -=[) :::::::
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> > 2013 15:06:27 -0500 > From: Jim Hadey3 > To: The Ibogaine List > Subject:
> > Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain;
> > charset="utf-8" > > Hi Eddie, > > Yeah once you get hooked on opiates it
> > does n ot take much to get it > rekindled. Since you used to use H you
> know
> > what the early symptoms of w/d > are and you will have cravings and have
> > the urge; you could say your back > to square one but this time it will
> be
> > a little different. Most people no > matter how hard they try can not get
> > off that wonderful Sub; they got to go > to SAOs (short acting opiates -
> > perks, codiene, oxy and morphine) for 3 > months they do an Ibo detox.
> That
> > is you take SAOs and try to get as low > as you can get, but no Sub or
> > Methadone for they are too long lasting. If > you try and skip the SAO
> step
> > your setting yourself up for failure. That > is just what I have heard
> for
> > I never been on Sub and glad. > > Best, > > - JIM > > > > On Sat, Nov 30,
> > 2013 at 2:45 PM, Nyc Labret? >wrote: > > > Yours is a more common AA/NA
> > story than you may realize. > > > > This is anecdotal but when I was in
> > those rooms in the late 80s early/mid > > 90s anecdotal lore was that the
> > highest suicide rate was among those with > ? > +20 years of sobriety. >
> >
> > > > > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Valarie wrote: > > > >> Wow
> Eddie,
> > You have a lot going on. When I was on Subutex my depression > >> got
> > really bad the 2nd year. I hope you continue to post on here, and I > >>
> > will keep you in my thoughts. > >> Lotsof Love, Val > >> On Nov 30, 2013
> > 7:24 AM, "Eddie Caceres" wrote: > >> > >>> Hey Serg > >>> Long story I'll
> > try keep it short. Was an H addict for some time used > >>> everything
> > under the sun coke, ups, crack, acid, got clean in 1990 ( > rehab) > >>>
> > after trying countless detoxes and col turkey. Stood clean and sober >
> thru
> > > >>> 12 step programs for 21 yrs. Had an injury in my job that required
> >
> > shoulder > >>> surgery. Didn't really abuse the meds vics,Percocet. But
> the
> > monster > was > >>> released. And I'm hooked tried the done for a while
> > 2mons 30mgs > couldn't > >>> deal with that shit. So I tried this wonder
> > drug subutex so I thought > been > >>> on it since about 6months 2-3mg a
> > day even tho ugh my doctor wanted me > on > >>> 8-16 a day. Can't tell
> you
> > the world of depression I'm in. But I've > been > >>> researching ibo
> spoke
> > to Buddy, Sister and the guy that was on the Hbo > >>> program for ibo
> > (vice). EKG was good but my liver is in bad shape > (hepc +) > >>> can't
> > really afford to go to a clinic but most of all I can't even > break >
> >>>
> > the news to my family. I've been hiding my addiction. But we all know >
> > what > >>> doesn't come out in the wash comes out in the rinse.lol. I
> truly
> > > respect > >>> you all on this forum and know what I have to do but
> drugs
> > and > >>> procrastination is a mother -ucker. And no one in a 12 step
> > program > would > >>> even understand Ibo so I don't mention it to them.
> I
> > consider myself a > >>> spiritual person and been relying on that a lot .
> > Got a good job good > >>> family but emotionally I'm falling apart.
> > Especially after > experiencing all > >>> those years without using. This
> > disease is brutal to say the least. > Hope I > >>> answe red your
> question.
> > Feel free to ask away I'm open to suggestion. > P.S. > >>> I've been
> > working out a bit since my shoulder is still messed up. I've > been > >>>
> > feeling better,my appetite is getting better and started talking my > >>>
> > vitamins again. I was big on that and had stopped. Or one more thing >
> I'm
> > > >>> also a diabetic with an insulin pump. Love and respect Ed. > >>> >
> > >>> Sent from my iPad > >>> > >>> On Nov 29, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Sergey
> > Sibirian > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Eddie, > >>> > >>> How do you relate
> > to Ibo yourself? > >>> If you don't mind sharing. > >>> > >>> Wish you
> well
> > > >>> > >>> Sergey > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM,
> Eddie
> > Caceres > wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Hi all. I'm Eddie been following
> this
> > list for a while I just don't > >>>> comment much. But respect you all.
> > Just wanted to share that on last > nights > >>>> episode of Homeland on
> > Showtime showed one of the main character > Hooked on > >>>> H and going
> > thru bad wds so someone ? suggested Ibogaine and they gave > it to > >>>>
> > him. At least Hollywood acknowledges it. Hooray. Peace > >>>> Sent from
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