[Ibogaine] Annette, Sergey, Isabelle...everyone

Sergey Sibirian sibirianfox at gmail.com
Sat Dec 7 09:53:53 CST 2013


Annette,

About different kinds of intelligence….
Did you download the
*TRANSMISSION* program?
For torrents?

If yes, lmk and I'll send you a few links for BBC Horizon documentaries
that will (hopefully)
blow your hat off.
:)
The one about different kinds of intelligence is there too.
They take 7 people from COMPLETELY different backgrounds and compare their
OVERALL
intelligence.
Let me tell you that it's not the Harvard graduate that wins…

The other thing:
There are also different kind of ages.
Physical one. (you said you're 39)
EMOTIONAL ONE.

Well, the emotional age stops evolving when we start using drugs, hard
drugs that freeze our development.
When you stop drugs, you're at a mental age of when you started them.
In my case, 14 years old.

Wish you well

Sergey


On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Annette Dilucchio <dilucch at gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree with Sergey on the needle thing. When I decided to try heroin, I
> had been on drugs already for ten years but I had reached a point where I
> did not care if I lived or died. My boyfriend that I lived with had just
> bought me a brand new Z-4 but he was an addict as well, and had kicked me
> out of the house more than once, I was estranged from my family and I hated
> my life. I was raised better than to be a junkie. I swear it is this
> knowledge that has fed the insecurity that being an addict breeds in me
> today. I simply never had a skeleton in my closet to blame my addictive
> behaviors on. The worst thing that could happen to a person (that has
> happened to me) IMHO is that they could be a "functioning addict" their
> entire life. It is like I've managed to get by with all of my teeth in tact
> (the last dentist I went to told me I must have half a million dollars of
> dental work in my mouth), graduate from college, have a child, a nice condo
> to live in, always a nice car to drive, etc. ALL bc I've had the perfect
> enablers to keep me afloat. Instead of feeling accomplished at 39 years
> old, I feel like I am still about 18 years old.  Well maybe 21 mentally.  I
> am a young person trapped in what feels like a suddenlyolder woman's body.
> Seems like out of no where I have aches when I get up, I am able to nap on
> command, I am getting gray hair!!! Ahhhh!! I thought I'd never get old and
> I didn't start to feel it till about a year ago. Now that I think about it,
> this whole thing was exaggerated ten fold by my switching off of suboxone
> three months ago!! I'm afraid I'll never have the energy I need to get off
> of opiates completely. Probably ditching my 60 MGs of Prozac a month ago
> was a contributing factor.
> Anyway.. The reason I'm piping up is this. Is it not something that
> doctors understand that to get opiate free, it would be in the patients
> best interest to quit or jump off from SAOs vs. sub or methadone? Am I
> wrong to assume that the goal is to get off of the long acting ones whether
> you are doing an ibogaine treatment or not? Isn't it easier on your body
> regardless? Why does it seem like the ibogaine list knows this but the
> medical field helps addicts to quit with only methadone or suboxone?  I am
> down to two 10 mg methadone pills and plan to see a dr Monday to ask for an
> Rx for SAOS to ween off methadone. Is he gonna laugh in my face?  Also...
> At Sergey where can I learn more about the different kinds of intelligence?
> That was very interesting to me:-D .
> Thanks in advance!
> Danielle hang in there!  And you are doing good. Don't forget to
> acknowledge your progress. Like you told me ..it's baby steps in the right
> direction (life).
> May the odds be always in the favor of each and every one of you!
> Annette
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 6, 2013, at 12:02 PM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Jim, others….
>
> Anyone who can stick a needle full of soul-devouring, body-rotting poison
> inside his vein doesn't love himself.
> Or doesn't love himself ENOUGH.
> Or doesn't love himself YET.
> Or """"       ""      """      AS A WHOLE.
> Or, either, etc, etc…
> But the "NOT LOVE" is always there.
>
> I watched a BBC docu recently about IQ and different types of intelligence.
> In short, the conclusion was that IQ test is pretty much BS in terms of
> assessing A person's intelligence.
> WHY???
> BECAUSE THERE ARE AT LEAST 7 TYPES OF INTELLIGENCES, plus sub-groups...
>
>    - 1.1 Musical<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_multiple_intelligences#Musical>
>    - 1.2 Spatial<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_multiple_intelligences#Spatial>
>    - 1.3 Verbal–linguistic<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_multiple_intelligences#Verbal.E2.80.93linguistic>
>    - 1.4 Logical–mathematical<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_multiple_intelligences#Logical.E2.80.93mathematical>
>    - 1.5 Bodily–kinesthetic<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_multiple_intelligences#Bodily.E2.80.93kinesthetic>
>    - 1.6 Interpersonal<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_multiple_intelligences#Interpersonal>
>    - 1.7 Intrapersonal<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_multiple_intelligences#Intrapersonal>
>    - 1.8 Naturalistic<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_multiple_intelligences#Naturalistic>
>    - 1.9 Existential<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_multiple_intelligences#Existential>
>
>
> So to measure a person's intelligence with a standardized, VERY narrow
> calibrated IQ test is like….
> I don't know…
> It's like saying a car is good or bad by measuring how fast it can reach
> 100 km/h.
> 3 sec? Great!
> 10 sec? Boooo!!!….
> But then there's the reliability, the design, the resale value, the
> spaciousness, the longevity of life, the maintenance cost, etc, etc….
>
> So my point is: WE ALL HAVE OUR STRONG SIDE.
> BUT THE SOCIETY JUDGES YOUR "SUCCESS" BY THE AMOUNT OF MONEY YOU HAVE IN
> YOUR BANK.
> By the house you live in, the car you drive, the number of vacations you
> can afford, the size of the diamond ring your wife has…
>
> The society is sick. Or I prefer "NOT YET EVOLVED ENOUGH"
> Like a child.
>
> If every individual was given a chance to become HIS STRONGEST in life, TO
> DEVELOP HIS TALENT,
> TO BE APPRECIATED AND LOVED, NEEDED BY SOCIETY…..
> We judge ourselves through the eyes of others.
> It took me some time to fully understand that one…
> If every individual was given a place depending on his talent.
> I keep saying IF, IF, IF.
> I SHOULD SAY "WHEN".
> WHEN EVERY INDIVIDUAL….
> We are evolving as humans.
> Like I told Danielle, just 200 years ago, a man had to plow 12 hours a day
> and would die by the age of 40, a complete wreck…
> Today we have countries like Canada, where medical care is free for
> everyone, and where the poor have a safety net (welfare, shelters, food
> banks…)
> Internet.
> Man on the moon, probes on Mars, Venus, Moons of Jupiter, one probe is
> even leaving our solar system.
> Human genome project.
> Artificial limbs
> DNA sequencing
> Bio-printing, promise of replacement organs and limbs FROM YOUR OWN
> stem-cells.
> SO ON!!!
>
> One day this period will be looked upon as medieval times, as something
> ephemeral, unreal, forgotten in the past and buried with
> the barbaric ancestors….
>
> Phew!
> I get carried away with this type of subjects.
>
> Wish you well people
>
> Sergey
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Jim Hadey3 <jimhadey3 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Danielle,
>>
>> >>> we are learning & evolving! I never understood addiction being
>> referred to as a "disease"   <<<
>>
>> Some people says it is a disease some say it is being weak.  People who
>> are diabetics take a shot two or three times a day because they have sugar
>> diabetes but addicts can not take a shot or two a day because they need it.
>>  If your feeling down and out, lonely, depressed, angry, etc and ya take a
>> shot of heroin you feel much better.  Kind of a strange analogy of course
>> we know that don't work all that well.
>>
>> >>> What am I not facing or dealing with that is causing me to run?"
>> Inevitably that thought process brings me to rehashing memories that I
>> still don't know how to understand. <<<
>>
>> I am just a guy on the internet and not a shrink but on the problem above
>> you may need professional help like a therapist or something.  It is
>> causing you a lot of pain, suffering and mental anguish.  Try it out for a
>> month and see if it helps - just and idea.
>>
>> >>> ... Which starts a self destructive spiral of trying to make sense or
>> find closure on things that will never unhappen. <<<
>>
>> To me you sound like a very unhappy person with a lot of problems.  I
>> really do not like to talk about NA and things like that on this forum.  I
>> bring it up only because two days ago we had the subject 'Do you love
>> yourself?'.  Kind of a strange topic and many addicts did not love
>> themselves, could this be a problem for you??  A guy said what I have heard
>> before - You forgive others why not forgive yourself?  Or God (if you
>> believe - not going there)  forgives others and he will forgive you too.  I
>> am not going to ask what you did that was so bad but I doubt you ever
>> killed anyone or ran over anyone with a car on purpose and I bet you never
>> robbed a bank or shoot up a school full of kids.  I don't think your as bad
>> a person as you think, your letter was beautiful, it also showed
>> intelligence.  You just got to get yourself on the right track.  I am not a
>> shrink or therapist but I do feel your pain.  How do you get on the right
>> track I have no idea.  I guess it is different for each person and set of
>> problems they face and may very well be trial and error  therapists,
>> shrinks, meetings, etc.
>>
>> Are you by any chance isolating?  I was down to using $10 of heroin a
>> month - a month.  I wanted to be off completely but I had to use once month
>> or have w/d symptoms.  Sister told me I was isolating and to go to a
>> meeting and it was so strange that I went.  After all I am not the type to
>> go to a meeting because some chick 100s of miles away told me to but for
>> some reason I did.  I still shot up once a month for 5 months and have been
>> free for 2.5 years.
>>
>> I wish you the best and hope you find happiness, yeah finding happiness
>> is pretty hard now a daz, maybe that's why we used dope.  Please keep
>> trying, get help, talk to people on this forum as I found this forum has
>> been very helpful.  This is not a regular forum but you know that.  BTW -
>> nice baby.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>   - JIM
>>
>>
>>
>> Which starts a self destructive spiral of trying to make sense or find
>> closure on things that will never unhappen.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 11:12 AM, danielle yates <
>> danielle6175 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> @ Annette; I know it wasn't funny but when you shared your "Green
>>> Gatorade" warning I did accidentally laugh some of my coffee into my nose.
>>>  NOT because addiction is funny; but when you just step back and think
>>> about the things we are willing to do to fix ourselves it's a dark comedy.
>>>  Except it's happening to us so it isn't funny.  Hang in there honey...I
>>> have no logistical advice but I got your back.  You don't even want to know
>>> some of things I was willing to do to get my hands on Ibogaine (I'll p.m.
>>> you the Saga).  There was something so intoxicating about the hope of being
>>> freed from the torture of my compulsions.  There still is...  P.S.  I will
>>> never look @ green Gatorade the same again.
>>>
>>> @ Sergey; thank God we are learning & evolving!  I never understood
>>> addiction being referred to as a "disease" but I can absolutely see how a
>>> physiological, genetic, chemical, and/or environmental predisposition can
>>> create a perfect storm.  I watched a Documentary about the opiate
>>> epidemic in Afghanistan.  Sadly; their rehab clinics were very
>>> primitive.  I felt their approach was well meaning but their whole recovery
>>> model was centered around shame and toughening up, with a condemning
>>> religious overtures thrown in.  Maybe they didn't get the memo on how
>>> an addict will beat themselves down and damn themselves to Hell far better
>>> than any external source so if confessing and embracing that their a
>>> piece of shit would've solved their problem they'd have put this behind
>>> them a long time ago.
>>>
>>> Evidence based information that not only offers cause & effect
>>> understanding but nuts-and-bolts practical application are the most
>>> refreshing and effective sources of change for me.  Also; this type of
>>> human interaction where I'm in a safe, loving environment but completely
>>> transparent. That's a whole new concept for me and I love it.
>>>
>>> @ Isabelle if you could look through your computer and have seen me
>>> after your encouraging words to Eddie you would have seen me giving you a
>>> Standing Ovation Whooping Round-of-Applause.  Every word you said resonated
>>> with me...I know you were talking to Eddie but there was a lot of wisdom I
>>> had no problem applying to me.  I hope you speak up more!
>>>
>>> So let me ask you this:  I want a genuine Body, Soul, and Spirit
>>> recovery.  Right now I'm on a "clean streak" but I'm by no means liberated.
>>>  My brain, emotions, body, EVERYTHING is just waiting for when I get to
>>> "check out again."  If I told myself that I was never going to abuse
>>> whatever it is again I'd probably give myself a nervous breakdown because
>>> the life sentence of being trapped in my own head uninterrupted is a fate
>>> worse than death to me and I mean that literally.  I'll go in these cycles
>>> where I get so frustrated with all my dysfunction and I feel panicked to
>>> fix myself so I'll think to myself: "What is it that brought me to this
>>> place?  What am I not facing or dealing with that is causing me to run?"
>>>  Inevitably that thought process brings me to rehashing memories that I
>>> still don't know how to understand.  Which starts a self destructive spiral
>>> of trying to make sense or find closure on things that will never
>>> unhappen.  They will be trapped in my fucking skull forever.  No matter
>>> where I go they be there...ready for me to remember.  So then I slip into a
>>> victim mentality, and I know I'm doing it but usually by this stage of the
>>> spiral I'm so pissed about everything I just feel like I just relived that
>>> I feel justified in the fact that there were some legitimate sadistic
>>> fucking bullshit that I need to get over.  Then I ping pong from victim
>>> mentality to anger because when I feel angry I feel strong.  Almost all the
>>> other form of emotions make me feel weak, which makes me feel scared which
>>> makes me furious!!  Are you seeing the cycle here?  So how do I reconcile
>>> the undealt with factors that "feed my need" without caving into the
>>> victim mentality, self hatred, self destructive, or despairing way of
>>> thinking?  How do I wrap my mind around my history, present, or future
>>> without sending myself into a full blown tail spin YET being real with
>>> myself about the factors that I need to acknowledge?
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>>> Re: side note on heroin music (Danielle) (Sergey Sibirian)
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>>> Message: 1 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 13:30:30 -0500 From: Jim Hadey3  To:
>>> The Ibogaine List  Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how do I get friends
>>> validated inside MindVox? Message-ID:  Content-Type: text/plain; charset
>>> ="iso-8859-1" Hi Pat In all due respect you should learn more before
>>> taking it. In answer to your question you compute you dose like this: 180
>>> weight ----- == 82 (rounded) KG 2.2 Amount you want to take - you convert
>>> grams to milligrams by multiplying by 1000. Example 1 gram weighs 1000 mg 2
>>> grams weighs 2000 mg 1.5 grams weight 1500 mg So take you weight into grams
>>> and divide into the amount of HCL you think you want to take. We will
>>> use 2 grams for an example 2000 MG Which is two grams ------ 82 divide by
>>> weight in KG and you get 24.69 mg/kg - way too high You are looking for an
>>> number between 15 and 20. Now lets use 1.5 gm which is 1500 mg 1500 ------
>>> = 18.29 so round to 18.3 gm 82 For me 18.3 grams did the trick, done
>>> cracked ma head, but everything is OK now. I would not want to go any
>>> higher it was the perfect dose for me. Being an addict we all want more or
>>> the highest dose we can get. It depends on what your trying to kick, if you
>>> trying to kick Sub or Methadone you will most likely fail, most who have
>>> tried that failed. They tried hard too but after feeling so weak and bad
>>> you just can't take it anymore. Also, don't think your now clean and can
>>> use now and then for that will not work, ask anybody. Again you should
>>> learn a bit more about the drug for it is not like any other drug you have
>>> ever taken. This forum is a good place to get info. I thinks a few
>>> yashoulds may be helpful so ya should have an experienced sitter, ya
>>> should keep the puke bucket with you at all times, ya should not expect to
>>> take it Friday and be at work Monday, ya should not be taking any SSRIsor
>>> NIs and a bunch more. I wish you the best of luck and I am sure the
>>> others on the forum do too. Ask any questions before taking the Exp. Best,
>>> - JIM On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:36 AM, Pat Gallina  wrote: > Hi
>>> friends, does anyone know what kind of dosage if I take ibogaine >
>>> hydrochloride I don't know the amount of dosage I should take I am make 35
>>> > years old 180 pounds does anybody know what kind of dosage I should take
>>> in > milligrams?? Thanks friends > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 4,
>>> 2013, at 9:46 PM, Valarie  wrote: > > Jeff, Don't scare me! Lol. > I
>>> still never found the email. Although I did see it with the link Patrick >
>>> provided, so it must be my email account. > On Dec 4, 2013 6:43 PM, "Jeff
>>> G"  wrote: > >> I think it's an illuminati conspiracy Val.... >> Watch
>>> your back. >> Jeff >> On Dec 4, 2013 5:58 PM, "Valarie"  wrote: >> >>>
>>> Thanks Patrick, That must be what it is, because I still don't see it on
>>> >>> my end. >>> How embarrassing I'm glad I didn't keep posting until I saw
>>> it. >>> <3 Val >>> On Dec 4, 2013 9:28 AM, "Patrick K. Kroupa"  wrote:
>>> >>> >>>> You've actually posted it twice now. >>>> >>>> To see what
>>> everybody else sees, look at the archives, which are: >>>>
>>> http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/ >>>> >>>> For December, it'd
>>> be: >>>>
>>> http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/2013-December/date.html >>>>
>>> >>>> You've sent 2 messages called "Silver" at this point. >>>> >>>> There
>>> is occasional lag because the list is very large, new accounts >>>> are
>>> added, old ones that unsubscribe or start bouncing are automagically>>>> removed, but the membership has hovered at about 10,000 subscribers
>>> for >>>> half a decade or so. >>>> >>>> Lag means: it may take 3 minutes
>>> from the time you hit send, until the >>>> time everybody receives your
>>> message, but there is never a time where it'll >>>> take hours or days,
>>> unless there are technical problems, which can happen, >>>> but it tends to
>>> happen for everybody, not just one person, and is at our >>>> end. There
>>> haven't been any issues for a few months since we finished >>>>
>>> transitioning the list to new servers. >>>> >>>> Not seeing your own posts
>>> can relate to either your own list settings >>>> -- you've told the mailing
>>> list not to send duplicate copies, and mail you >>>> back your own posts
>>> which are already sitting in your Sent mail box -- or >>>> how you've
>>> configured your email client (look in your spam folder, if >>>> they're in
>>> there, check them and mark them as Not Spam). >>>> >>>> On Dec 4, 2013, at
>>> 11:15 AM, Valarie  wrote: >>>> >>>> > A new thread from me? >>>> >
>>> Weird, I don't see it anywhere, I see Silver's post asking Patrick >>>> how
>>> to post that's it. >>>> > Thank you for letting me know. >>>> > <3 Val >>>>
>>> > >>>> > On Dec 4, 2013 8:13 AM, "junkboy64"  wrote: >>>> > It posted.
>>> I saw it >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first
>>> nationwide 4G network. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -------- Original
>>> message -------- >>>> > From: Valarie  >>>> > Date: 12/04/2013 8:11 AM
>>> (GMT-07:00) >>>> > To: The Ibogaine List  >>>> > Subject: Re:
>>> [Ibogaine] how do I get friends validated inside MindVox? >>>> > >>>> >
>>> >>>> > I created a new post on Monday night and it still hasn't posted.
>>> >>>> > So I re-sent it last night and it still has not posted. >>>> > I
>>> double checked my email, it shows I sent it right. >>>> > Is this happening
>>> to anyone else? >>>> > <3 Val >>>> > >>>> > On Dec 3, 2013 3:22 PM, "Vector
>>> Vector"  >>>> wrote: >>>> > Ok duh I missed invite friends the first 15
>>> times it got mentioned >>>> ;-) Thanks, that clarified a lot. >>>> >>>>
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>>> utf-8" Val, to be honest Val, I'm not sure which video Jim is referring
>>> to? I post a lot of stuff, much of which is just annoying? :D (it might be
>>> the "Detox or Die" video) Sergey On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 4:03 AM, Valarie wrote: > Jim you do your homework! . >
>>> Sergie I must have missed the video Jim is referring to, can you repostit > or just email it to me? Thank you. > <3 Val > On Dec 1, 2013 12:39 AM,
>>> "Randy Faulconer"  wrote: > >> Jim is the man >> >> Randy >> >> >> On
>>> Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 12:47 AM, Sergey Sibirian wrote: >> >>> Jim! >>>
>>> >>> I just put a bright star next to this particular thread. >>> SO i can
>>> easily spot itpo >>> Honestly though, what you did, the research you
>>> carried out is simply >>> priceless. >>> Or there is a price: HOURS OF MY
>>> TIME. >>> >>> Plus, to be able to spot the right/mot relevant info is
>>> nothing short of >>> serious skill >>> >>> Thanks agsin. >>> >>> Sergey
>>> >>> >>> So I'm early grateful. >>> I'll go through every link >>> >>> >>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Jim Hadey3  wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi
>>> Serge, >>>> >>>> Google reverse opiate tolerance this is the first
>>> page. >>>> >>>> (opioids) Is it possible to reverse opioid tolerance? -
>>> Bluelight >>>> >>>>
>>> www.bluelight.ru/vb/.../637458-Is-it-possible-to-reverse-opioid-toleranc...
>>> >>>> ? >>>> >>>> >>>> Aug 15, 2012 - 25 posts - ?17 authors >>>> I often
>>> hear people say the only thing that can reverse tolerance to >>>>
>>> opioids is time without taking the drug, or that you can only slow the
>>> >>>> ...(opioids) Using naloxone to counter tolerance 14 posts May 11,
>>> 2012 >>>> DXM - The Opiate Addicts's Miracle Drug, PLEASE READ 25 posts
>>> Aug 18, >>>> 2010 >>>> NMDA antagonists for tolerance, a collection of
>>> the ... 25 posts May 5, >>>> 2010 >>>> Preventing/reducing opiate tolerance
>>> 25 posts Jul 10, 2007 >>>> More results from www.bluelight.ru >>>> >>>>
>>> Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to opiate analgesics in ...
>>> >>>> www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7454382? >>>> >>>> by Y Hosobuchi -
>>> ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related articles >>>> Five patients on chronic
>>> opiate medication to treat low-back and leg >>>> pain were determined to
>>> have developed opiate tolerance on the basis of >>>> their failure to ...
>>> >>>> Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing Receptor Sensitivity ...
>>> >>>> www.drugs-forum.com ? ... ? DRUG-FORUMS ? Opiates & Opioids? >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> Oct 11, 2008 - 26 posts - ?1 author >>>> Pharmacology - Opioid
>>> Tolerance: Reversing Receptor Sensitivity ... and >>>> can prevent or even
>>> reverse the development of tolerance to opioid >>>> ...Tolerance - Does
>>> tolerance never fully go away? 9 posts Sep 6, 2012 >>>> Combinations -
>>> Dandelion Root for Opiate Tolerance 2 posts Jan 11, 2011 >>>> Addiction -
>>> Resetting a Kratom tolerance 26 posts Apr 8, 2010 >>>> Effects -
>>> Possible reverse tolerance? 10 posts Jan 28, 2010 >>>> More results from
>>> www.drugs-forum.com >>>> >>>> Reversing Opioid Tolerance - Chronic Pain
>>> - HealingWell.com Forum >>>> www.healingwell.com ? ... ? Diseases &
>>> Conditions ? Chronic Pain? >>>> >>>> >>>> May 23, 2010 - 8 posts - ?4
>>> authors >>>> I have been using opioid (tramadol, hydrocodone and
>>> oxycodone) for 6 >>>> years, ... Though there are drugs to permanently
>>> reverse tolerance for ... >>>> Changing concepts of opioid tolerance >>>>
>>> www.painresearch.utah.edu/cancerpain/ch20.html? >>>> >>>> >>>> What
>>> these classical studies showed is that tolerance does develop to >>>>
>>> opioid ..... are associated with dramatic reduction in pain and rapid >>>>
>>> reversal of tolerance. >>>> Opioids, Cannabinoids, and reverse
>>> tolerance - Social Anxiety Forum >>>> www.socialanxietysupport.com ?
>>> ... ? Recovery ? Medication? >>>> >>>> >>>> Nov 11, 2010 - 14 posts - ?8
>>> authors >>>> According to this research video, they found that THC can
>>> synergize >>>> with Opioids and decrease and even reverse opioid
>>> tolerance. I got my ... >>>> Does anything other than TIME lower tolerance?
>>> [Archive ... >>>> forum.opiophile.org/archive/index.php/t-1447.html?
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Feb 8, 2006 - 16 posts - ?11 authors >>>> The drugs-
>>> Hydroxyzine(produces a rough "doubling" of opiate effects ... >>>>
>>> effectiveness AND the prevention/reversal of tolerance through the use ...
>>> >>>> [PDF] >>>> Inhibition of opiate tolerance by non-competitive N ...
>>> - Deep Blue >>>>
>>> deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/.../0000783.pdf?...1?
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> by KA Trujillo - ?1994 - ?Related articles >>>> The NMDAantagonists were found to inhibit the development but not the >>>>
>>> expression of opiate tolerance; i.e. they were able to prevent but not >>>>
>>> reverse tolerance. >>>> This can prevent or even reverse opiate tolerance.
>>> It's also an opiate >>>> ... >>>>
>>> www.reddit.com/r/.../this_can_prevent_or_even_reverse_opiate_toleranc...
>>> >>>> ? >>>> >>>> Aug 4, 2009 - This can prevent or even reverse opiate
>>> tolerance. It's >>>> also an opiate potentiator and is not a controlled
>>> substance in the U.S. >>>> but its no longer ... >>>> Tryptophanloading may reverse tolerance to opiate ... -
>>> ScienceDirect >>>>
>>> www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0304395980900044? >>>> >>>>
>>> by Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related articles >>>> Mar 27,
>>> 2003 - Five patients on chronic opiate medication to treat >>>> low-back
>>> and leg pain were determined to have developed opiate tolerance on >>>> the
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>>> -0800 From: Valarie  To: The Ibogaine List  Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how
>>> do I get friends validated inside MindVox? Message-ID:  Content-Type:
>>> text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Pat, To figure out your dosage you
>>> can go to http://www.doraweiner.org/ That is the foundation Howard
>>> Lotsof founded. Lotsof Love, Val On Dec 5, 2013 8:52 AM, "Pat Gallina" wrote: > Hi friends, does anyone know what kind of dosage if I take
>>> ibogaine > hydrochloride I don't know the amount of dosage I should take I
>>> am make 35 > years old 180 pounds does anybody know what kind of dosage I
>>> should take in > milligrams?? Thanks friends > > Sent from my iPhone >
>>> > On Dec 4, 2013, at 9:46 PM, Valarie  wrote: > > Jeff, Don't scare me!
>>> Lol. > I still never found the email. Although I did see it with the
>>> link Patrick > provided, so it must be my email account. > On Dec 4, 2013
>>> 6:43 PM, "Jeff G"  wrote: > >> I think it's an illuminati conspiracy
>>> Val.... >> Watch your back. >> Jeff >> On Dec 4, 2013 5:58 PM, "Valarie" wrote: >> >>> Thanks Patrick, That must be what it is, because I still
>>> don't see it on >>> my end. >>> How embarrassing I'm glad I didn't keep
>>> posting until I saw it. >>> <3 Val >>> On Dec 4, 2013 9:28 AM, "Patrick K.
>>> Kroupa"  wrote: >>> >>>> You've actually posted it twice now. >>>> >>>>
>>> To see what everybody else sees, look at the archives, which are: >>>>
>>> http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/ >>>> >>>> For December, it'd
>>> be: >>>>
>>> http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/2013-December/date.html >>>>
>>> >>>> You've sent 2 messages called "Silver" at this point. >>>> >>>> There
>>> is occasional lag because the list is very large, new accounts >>>> are
>>> added, old ones that unsubscribe or start bouncing are automagically>>>> removed, but the membership has hovered at about 10,000 subscribers
>>> for >>>> half a decade or so. >>>> >>>> Lag means: it may take 3 minutes
>>> from the time you hit send, until the >>>> time everybody receives your
>>> message, but there is never a time where it'll >>>> take hours or days,
>>> unless there are technical problems, which can happen, >>>> but it tends to
>>> happen for everybody, not just one person, and is at our >>>> end. There
>>> haven't been any issues for a few months since we finished >>>>
>>> transitioning the list to new servers. >>>> >>>> Not seeing your own posts
>>> can relate to either your own list settings >>>> -- you've told the mailing
>>> list not to send duplicate copies, and mail you >>>> back your own posts
>>> which are already sitting in your Sent mail box -- or >>>> how you've
>>> configured your email client (look in your spam folder, if >>>> they're in
>>> there, check them and mark them as Not Spam). >>>> >>>> On Dec 4, 2013, at
>>> 11:15 AM, Valarie  wrote: >>>> >>>> > A new thread from me? >>>> >
>>> Weird, I don't see it anywhere, I see Silver's post asking Patrick >>>> how
>>> to post that's it. >>>> > Thank you for letting me know. >>>> > <3 Val >>>>
>>> > >>>> > On Dec 4, 2013 8:13 AM, "junkboy64"  wrote: >>>> > It posted.
>>> I saw it >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first
>>> nationwide 4G network. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -------- Original
>>> message -------- >>>> > From: Valarie  >>>> > Date: 12/04/2013 8:11 AM
>>> (GMT-07:00) >>>> > To: The Ibogaine List  >>>> > Subject: Re:
>>> [Ibogaine] how do I get friends validated inside MindVox? >>>> > >>>> >
>>> >>>> > I created a new post on Monday night and it still hasn't posted.
>>> >>>> > So I re-sent it last night and it still has not posted. >>>> > I
>>> double checked my email, it shows I sent it right. >>>> > Is this happening
>>> to anyone else? >>>> > <3 Val >>>> > >>>> > On Dec 3, 2013 3:22 PM, "Vector
>>> Vector"  >>>> wrote: >>>> > Ok duh I missed invite friends the first 15
>>> times it got mentioned >>>> ;-) Thanks, that clarified a lot. >>>> >>>>
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>>> -0500 From: Sergey Sibirian  To: The Ibogaine List  Subject: Re:
>>> [Ibogaine] side note on Heroin music Message-ID:  Content-Type:
>>> text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Danielle, In a very short version,
>>> I'd like to tell you that our society has reached the level of evolution of
>>> a 5 year old. Maybe less. And that's a crude comparison. Our society is
>>> primitive and centred around self adoration, consumerism, and
>>> separation/seclusion. But we are evolving. Just 200 years ago people would
>>> plow land 12/24 and die at 40 years old. Today we have countries like
>>> Canada, where healthcare is free and a safety-net for the most
>>> vulnerable in society is in place. There's internet. We went to the
>>> moon, mars, Venus jupiter, and one of our probes is leaving the solar
>>> system?. Robots are getting into our homes. The human genome has been
>>> sequenced. Life expectancy doesn't stop increasing. Etc., Etc., Etc,?. As
>>> soon as we pass on to the next level as a species, as a society, things
>>> will be different. It might not happen in our life-time, but it is
>>> inevitable. Wish you well Stay positive, nature balances things out. Sergey
>>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 10:57 PM, danielle yates wrote: > > Okay; I have
>>> to say I got a HUUUUUUUGE education on the Heroin Music > forum. I've
>>> never used Heroin but I feel opiates in general are headed in > the same
>>> direction so I like to here or see what people that are struggling > or
>>> overcoming are listening to. > > DISCLAIMER ~ NO ONE IS ALOUD TO LAUGH AT
>>> ME!!! (Deep cleansing breath > in) Honest to God; I had no idea who any of
>>> them were. Mostly in regards > to never hearing their music. Of course I
>>> know who John Lennon is but I > had no idea he had a song called "Cold
>>> Turkey". Most especially I didn't > know who Alice In Chains are (they were
>>> around during my teen years). I > have no idea how I missed that (in my
>>> adult life). The reason for my lack > of exposure, is I was raised in a
>>> community very similar to the Amish as > I've mentioned before. For those
>>> who don't know what that is, it's > basically a very strict, and
>>> disciplined lifestyle centered around the > Christian Faith. I had no T.V.,
>>> NO secular music, no pants (for females) > and all the other stuff. > >
>>> When I watched the AIC video I was like; "HOLY HELL WHO'S THE BEAUTIFUL
>>> > BLOND DUDE?" I mean really; he had that whole Greek God thang goinON! So > naturally I
>>> googled his name (Layne Staley) because I wanted to stalk > him...er;
>>> um, I mean hear more of his music. ; ) > > I CAN'T BELIEVE HE'S DEAD!! I
>>> know you all dealt with that about 10 years > ago; but let me have this.
>>> What a sad waste of friggin talent and beauty! > His story is so
>>> depressing! He went to 13 different rehab centers and > then gave up. At
>>> one point he told one of his band mates that; "he wasn't > coming back from
>>> this. This is it." (referring to Heroin) That statement > ferments and
>>> oozes despair...a despair I'm sure many of us have felt while > contending
>>> with the same demons. > > Clearly I need a crash course on the Grunge time
>>> period as I was in Church > while all that was going on (not by my own free
>>> will). Well wait; I was > in Church mostly. The rest of the time I was in
>>> Sin City learning about > all the things I wasn't supposed to look at. : D
>>> > > So this is my question: Was Ibogaine available or known in those social
>>> > circles? Was the concept of a "maintenance program" with methadone or sub
>>> > being utilized? Did rehabs have meds to allow for a detox that didn't
>>> > involve wanting to off yourself? Feel free to volunteer any pertinent >
>>> details. > > This begs the question; who has died or is curled up in their
>>> home, more > consumed with feeding their habit than getting busy with the
>>> God given > gifts they have? What if one of those fatalities would've found
>>> a cure for > Cancer? What if one of those lives could have made the
>>> difference between > war and peace in the Middle East Crisis? What about
>>> all the beautiful > babies that will never take their first breadth, or the
>>> love stories that > were robbed of their season to bloom? It's beyond my
>>> ability to wrap my > mind around the catastrophic damage that happens every
>>> where, all the time, > on a daily basis because of addiction. > > It makes
>>> me so utterly sad to think about. > > > > > ------------------------------
>>> > *From:* "ibogaine-request at mindvox.com"  > *To:* ibogaine at mindvox.com> *Sent:* Sunday, December 1, 2013 10:00 AM > *Subject:* Ibogaine Digest,
>>> Vol 70, Issue 1 > > Send Ibogaine mailing list submissions to >
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>>> digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Iboga Vissions (Valarie) >
>>> 2. Re: wanna say goodbye, wanna wish you all nice xmas, happy > new
>>> year and everything! (Valarie) > 3. Re: wanna say goodbye, wanna wish you
>>> all nice xmas, happy > new year and everything! (Jeff G) > 4. Re:
>>> Homeland (Valarie) > 5. Re: Homeland (Nyc Labret?) > 6. Re: Homeland
>>> (Jim Hadey3) > 7. (no subject) (Jim Hadey3) > 8. eddie (star ray) > 9.
>>> Re: Homeland (Sergey Sibirian) > 10. Re: wanna say goodbye, wanna wish
>>> you all nice xmas, happy > new year and everything! (Sergey Sibirian) >
>>> 11. Star, Val and all (danielle yates) > 12. Re: (no subject) (Sergey
>>> Sibirian) > 13. Re: Homeland (Randy Faulconer) > 14. Re: (no subject)
>>> (Randy Faulconer) > 15. Re: (no subject) (Jim Hadey3) > 16. Re: (no
>>> subject) (Valarie) > 17. Re: eddie (Eddie Caceres) > 18. Re: eddie (Jim
>>> Hadey3) > > >
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >
>>> Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:38:26 -0800 > From: Valarie  >
>>> To: The Ibogaine List  > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga Vissions >
>>> Message-ID: >  > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi
>>> Leo, I definitely agree with Sergie. > It is very dangerous to stop
>>> taking benzodiazepine before you do ibogaine, > do to risk of seizures.
>>> > This one ibogaine facility I called told me to stop taking xanex one
>>> week > before my treatment which is absolutely CRAZY and I told them that
>>> they > were going to kill someone. > Once I found out about Ibogaine I made
>>> a hard decision to go from Xanex to > Colonzapam. I have had plenty of
>>> seizures due to benzodiazepine > withdrawal, and had to be careful. > I
>>> don't know if the Ibogaine helped with not needing as much but my benzo> intake has gone down significantly since I did my treatment. > I am
>>> actually only taking half of the dose which is prescribed to me, and > find
>>> it easier to taper since I did my ibogaine treatment. > Because I had to
>>> take the colonzapam during my treatment I did not have > very many
>>> visions, Ibogaine of course was still greatly beneficial as I am > now off
>>> opiots after 13 years of use. > I hope to be completely off the
>>> colonzapam within 3 months and would like > to do Ibogaine again for
>>> spiritual purposes. > Which is why I asked about HCL vs TA. > > LotsofLove, Val > On Nov 30, 2013 7:54 AM, "Sergey
>>> Sibirian"  wrote: > > > Val, Leo > > > > Benzos addiction is by far the
>>> worst IN TERMS OF PHYSICAL DEPENDANCY. > > I'm not talking ADDICTION AS
>>> A WHOLE. > > From what I read and researched, Ibo does NOT reset benzoaddiction. > > And it makes sense, to me at least. > > If
>>> opioids fuck with the endorphine system in our brain, the benzos fuck >
>>> > with > > Our brains much more basic system: homeostasys and GABBA. >
>>> > Homeostatys is basically a state of balance the brain has to maintain
>>> at > > any price between the "up" and "down" states. > > Between
>>> stimulation/action and depression/deactivation. > > And this is exactly
>>> what delirium tremens is: > > The brain has been long "down" stimulated
>>> by alcohol, which also acts on > > GABBA receptors. > > So when a
>>> person abruptly stops drinking, the "up" part of brain is > > active, while
>>> the "down" waits for alcohol to do its job. > > The result is a loss of
>>> balance in favor of the "up", and delirium > tremens > > sets in. > >
>>> Convulsions, hallucinations, and ultimately possible coma or death... > > >
>>> > With heroin/opioids, no matter the severity of WD, there's no danger
>>> of > > death. > > With GABBA agonists, such as benzos and alcohol,
>>> there is. > > All that to point out that benzo addiction is very
>>> serious and in my > > humble opinion, should NEVER be interrupted > > But
>>> rather tapered down. > > But then again, I'm no expert on benzoaddiction, although I've > personally > > witnessed two persons being
>>> brought to the hospital > > In state of coma due to alcohol WD. > >
>>> That pretty much shocked me so I did some research and NEVER touch >
>>> benzos. > > > > Wish you well > > > > Sergey > > > > > > On Saturday,
>>> 30 November 2013, leomroz24 wrote: > > > >> So it did help you with the
>>> Benzo dt's? I have heard from some people > >> that it does not take
>>> away the withdrawals from benzo and also I have > heard > >> many
>>> people getting rid of there addiction since it took them to the > root > >>
>>> of why they had anxiety to begin with. I have been on benzo's for 7 >
>>> years > >> or so and have cut my dose down to about 1mg per day, sometimes
>>> less > but I > >> just cant seem to kick these damn things. > >> > >> > >>
>>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Valarie  wrote: > >> > >>> As most of
>>> you know I did not get very many visions during my ibogaine > >>> treatment
>>> which was a disappointment to me. > >>> Since I did Ibogaine I have cut my
>>> Colonzapam intake in half from 6mgs > >>> to 3 mgs. > >>> Before
>>> treatment and tapering to Colonzapam I had been on 6-14mgs of > >>>
>>> xanex a day for over 10years > >>> I am sure this is why bidding get
>>> very many visions. > >>> I plan to be off the colonzapam completely in
>>> about 3 months and want > to > >>> do another treatment > >>> Should I get
>>> the TA or HCL again? > >>> My boyfriend will probably watch me since my
>>> favorite person in the > >>> world who treated me lives in a different
>>> state. > >>> I heard the TA is more for visions, and HCL is more for
>>> the addiction > >>> is this true? > >>> Thanks for your continued help. >
>>> >>> Lotsof Love, Val > >>> > >>> > >>> -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine
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>>> 2013 11:06:43 -0800 > From: Valarie  > To: The Ibogaine List  >
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] wanna say goodbye, wanna wish you all nice >
>>> xmas, happy new year and everything! > Message-ID: >  > Content-Type:
>>> text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Have a nice trip MiGo! > Love ya,
>>> Val > On Nov 30, 2013 7:39 AM, "Mi Go"  wrote: > > > hey good people
>>> from the forum, > > > > first of all i really appreciate to be member of
>>> that forum, first time i > > found a forum or people with a lot of
>>> knowledge about that plant and > > medicine where im much interested
>>> in, its really hard often to get any > > usefull information! > > > > i
>>> wanna say thx for all the replies and infos i got til now and wish you
>>> > > all a happy xmas etc. etc. i dont know if i have any inetconnection > there > > where i go, i have a doubt on that
>>> hehe, anyway i will log in, as often > its > > possible, > > > > stand
>>> strong and take care everybody, have fun and keep up the good work, > >
>>> maybe you can sent me over some positive vibes every often, i will do the >
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>>> 2013 11:09:01 -0800 > From: Jeff G  > To: The Ibogaine List  > Subject:
>>> Re: [Ibogaine] wanna say goodbye, wanna wish you all nice > xmas, happy
>>> new year and everything! > Message-ID: >  > Content-Type: text/plain;
>>> charset="iso-8859-1" > > Good luck... > Stay safe. > Freak Freely! >
>>> Peace > JeffG > On Nov 30, 2013 7:09 AM, "Mi Go"  wrote: > > > hey good
>>> people from the forum, > > > > first of all i really appreciate to be
>>> member of that forum, first time i > > found a forum or people with a lot
>>> of knowledge about that plant and > > medicine where im much interested
>>> in, its really hard often to get any > > usefull information! > > > > i
>>> wanna say thx for all the replies and infos i got til now and wish you
>>> > > all a happy xmas etc. etc. i dont know if i have any inetconnection > there > > where i go, i have a doubt on that
>>> hehe, anyway i will log in, as often > its > > possible, > > > > stand
>>> strong and take care everybody, have fun and keep up the good work, > >
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>>> 2013 11:09:36 -0800 > From: Valarie  > To: The Ibogaine List  >
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland > Message-ID: >  > Content-Type:
>>> text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Wow Eddie, You have a lot going
>>> on. When I was on Subutex my depression got > really bad the 2nd year.
>>> I hope you continue to post on here, and I will > keep you in my thoughts.
>>> > Lotsof Love, Val > On Nov 30, 2013 7:24 AM, "Eddie Caceres"  wrote: >
>>> > > Hey Serg > > Long story I'll try keep it short. Was an H addict for
>>> some time used > > everything under the sun coke, ups, crack, acid, got
>>> clean in 1990 ( > rehab) > > after trying countless detoxes and col turkey.
>>> Stood clean and sober thru > > 12 step programs for 21 yrs. Had an
>>> injury in my job that required > shoulder > > surgery. Didn't really abuse
>>> the meds vics,Percocet. But the monster was > > released. And I'm
>>> hooked tried the done for a while 2mons 30mgs couldn't > > deal with
>>> that shit. So I tried this wonder drug subutex so I thought > been > >
>>> on it since about 6months 2-3mg a day even though my doctor wanted me on >
>>> > 8-16 a day. Can't tell you the world of depression I'm in. But I've been
>>> > > researching ibo spoke to Buddy, Sister and the guy that was on the
>>> Hbo > > program for ibo (vice). EKG was good but my liver is in bad
>>> shape (hepc > +) > > can't really afford to go to a clinic but most of
>>> all I can't even break > > the news to my family. I've been hiding my
>>> addiction. But we all know > what > > doesn't come out in the wash comes
>>> out in the rinse.lol. I truly respect > > you all on this forum and
>>> know what I have to do but drugs and > > procrastination is a mother -
>>> ucker. And no one in a 12 step program would > > even understand Ibo so
>>> I don't mention it to them. I consider myself a > > spiritual person and
>>> been relying on that a lot . Got a good job good > > family but emotionally
>>> I'm falling apart. Especially after experiencing > all > > those years
>>> without using. This disease is brutal to say the least. Hope > I > >
>>> answered your question. Feel free to ask away I'm open to suggestion. >
>>> P.S. > > I've been working out a bit since my shoulder is still messed up.
>>> I've > been > > feeling better,my appetite is getting better and started
>>> talking my > > vitamins again. I was big on that and had stopped. Or one
>>> more thing I'm > > also a diabetic with an insulin pump. Love and respect
>>> Ed. > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On Nov 29, 2013, at 10:36 PM,
>>> Sergey Sibirian  > > wrote: > > > > Hi Eddie, > > > > How do you relate
>>> to Ibo yourself? > > If you don't mind sharing. > > > > Wish you well > > >
>>> > Sergey > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Eddie Caceres wrote: > > > >> > >> Hi all. I'm Eddie been following this list for a while
>>> I just don't > >> comment much. But respect you all. Just wanted to share
>>> that on last > nights > >> episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one of
>>> the main character Hooked > on > >> H and going thru bad wds so someone
>>> suggested Ibogaine and they gave it > to > >> him. At least Hollywood
>>> acknowledges it. Hooray. Peace > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> -=[)
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>>> 2013 14:45:53 -0500 > From: Nyc Labret?  > To: The Ibogaine List  >
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland > Message-ID: >  > Content-Type:
>>> text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Yours is a more common AA/NA story than you
>>> may realize. > > This is anecdotal but when I was in those rooms in the
>>> late 80s early/mid > 90s anecdotal lore was that the highest suicide rate
>>> was among those with > +20 years of sobriety. > > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at
>>> 2:09 PM, Valarie  wrote: > > > Wow Eddie, You have a lot going on. When
>>> I was on Subutex my depression > > got really bad the 2nd year. I hope you
>>> continue to post on here, and I > > will keep you in my thoughts. > >
>>> Lotsof Love, Val > > On Nov 30, 2013 7:24 AM, "Eddie Caceres"  wrote: >
>>> > > >> Hey Serg > >> Long story I'll try keep it short. Was an H addict for
>>> some time used > >> everything under the sun coke, ups, crack, acid, got
>>> clean in 1990 ( > rehab) > >> after trying countless detoxes and col
>>> turkey. Stood clean and sober > thru > >> 12 step programs for 21 yrs. Had
>>> an injury in my job that required > shoulder > >> surgery. Didn't really
>>> abuse the meds vics,Percocet. But the monster was > >> released. And I'm
>>> hooked tried the done for a while 2mons 30mgs couldn't > >> deal with that
>>> shit. So I tried this wonder drug subutex so I thought > been > >> on it
>>> since about 6months 2-3mg a day even though my doctor wanted me on > >>
>>> 8-16 a day. Can't tell you the world of depression I'm in. But I've been >
>>> >> researching ibo spoke to Buddy, Sister and the guy that was on the Hbo >
>>> >> program for ibo (vice). EKG was good but my liver is in bad shape (hepc
>>> > +) > >> can't really afford to go to a clinic but most of all I can't
>>> even break > >> the news to my family. I've been hiding my addiction. But
>>> we all know > what > >> doesn't come out in the wash comes out in the
>>> rinse.lol. I truly respect > >> you all on this forum and know what I have
>>> to do but drugs and > >> procrastination is a mother -ucker. And no one in
>>> a 12 step program > would > >> even understand Ibo so I don't mention it to
>>> them. I consider myself a > >> spiritual person and been relying on that a
>>> lot . Got a good job good > >> family but emotionally I'm falling apart.
>>> Especially after experiencing > all > >> those years without using. This
>>> disease is brutal to say the least. > Hope I > >> answered your question.
>>> Feel free to ask away I'm open to suggestion. > P.S. > >> I've been working
>>> out a bit since my shoulder is still messed up. I've > been > >> feeling
>>> better,my appetite is getting better and started talking my > >> vitamins
>>> again. I was big on that and had stopped. Or one more thing I'm > >> also a
>>> diabetic with an insulin pump. Love and respect Ed. > >> > >> Sent from my
>>> iPad > >> > >> On Nov 29, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Sergey Sibirian  > >>
>>> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Eddie, > >> > >> How do you relate to Ibo yourself? >
>>> >> If you don't mind sharing. > >> > >> Wish you well > >> > >> Sergey > >>
>>> > >> > >> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Eddie Caceres  > wrote: > >>
>>> > >>> > >>> Hi all. I'm Eddie been following this list for a while I just
>>> don't > >>> comment much. But respect you all. Just wanted to share that on
>>> last > nights > >>> episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one of the main
>>> character > Hooked on > >>> H and going thru bad wds so someone suggested
>>> Ibogaine and they gave > it to > >>> him. At least Hollywood acknowledges
>>> it. Hooray. Peace > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> -=[) :::::::
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>>> 2013 15:06:27 -0500 > From: Jim Hadey3  > To: The Ibogaine List  >
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland > Message-ID: >  > Content-Type:
>>> text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Eddie, > > Yeah once you get hooked on
>>> opiates it does not take much to get it > rekindled. Since you used to use
>>> H you know what the early symptoms of w/d > are and you will have cravings
>>> and have the urge; you could say your back > to square one but this time it
>>> will be a little different. Most people no > matter how hard they try can
>>> not get off that wonderful Sub; they got to go > to SAOs (short acting
>>> opiates - perks, codiene, oxy and morphine) for 3 > months they do an Ibo
>>> detox. That is you take SAOs and try to get as low > as you can get, but no
>>> Sub or Methadone for they are too long lasting. If > you try and skip the
>>> SAO step your setting yourself up for failure. That > is just what I have
>>> heard for I never been on Sub and glad. > > Best, > > - JIM > > > > On Sat,
>>> Nov 30, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Nyc Labret?  >wrote: > > > Yours is a more
>>> common AA/NA story than you may realize. > > > > This is anecdotal but when
>>> I was in those rooms in the late 80s early/mid > > 90s anecdotal lore was
>>> that the highest suicide rate was among those with > > +20 years of
>>> sobriety. > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Valarie  wrote:
>>> > > > >> Wow Eddie, You have a lot going on. When I was on Subutex my
>>> depression > >> got really bad the 2nd year. I hope you continue to post on
>>> here, and I > >> will keep you in my thoughts. > >> Lotsof Love, Val > >>
>>> On Nov 30, 2013 7:24 AM, "Eddie Caceres"  wrote: > >> > >>> Hey Serg >
>>> >>> Long story I'll try keep it short. Was an H addict for some time used >
>>> >>> everything under the sun coke, ups, crack, acid, got clean in 1990 ( >
>>> rehab) > >>> after trying countless detoxes and col turkey. Stood clean and
>>> sober > thru > >>> 12 step programs for 21 yrs. Had an injury in my job
>>> that required > shoulder > >>> surgery. Didn't really abuse the meds
>>> vics,Percocet. But the monster > was > >>> released. And I'm hooked tried
>>> the done for a while 2mons 30mgs > couldn't > >>> deal with that shit. So I
>>> tried this wonder drug subutex so I thought > been > >>> on it since about
>>> 6months 2-3mg a day even though my doctor wanted me > on > >>> 8-16 a day.
>>> Can't tell you the world of depression I'm in. But I've > been > >>>
>>> researching ibo spoke to Buddy, Sister and the guy that was on the Hbo >
>>> >>> program for ibo (vice). EKG was good but my liver is in bad shape >
>>> (hepc +) > >>> can't really afford to go to a clinic but most of all I
>>> can't even > break > >>> the news to my family. I've been hiding my
>>> addiction. But we all know > what > >>> doesn't come out in the wash comes
>>> out in the rinse.lol. I truly > respect > >>> you all on this forum and
>>> know what I have to do but drugs and > >>> procrastination is a mother
>>> -ucker. And no one in a 12 step program > would > >>> even understand Ibo
>>> so I don't mention it to them. I consider myself a > >>> spiritual person
>>> and been relying on that a lot . Got a good job good > >>> family but
>>> emotionally I'm falling apart. Especially after > experiencing all > >>>
>>> those years without using. This disease is brutal to say the least. > Hope
>>> I > >>> answered your question. Feel free to ask away I'm open to
>>> suggestion. > P.S. > >>> I've been working out a bit since my shoulder is
>>> still messed up. I've > been > >>> feeling better,my appetite is getting
>>> better and started talking my > >>> vitamins again. I was big on that and
>>> had stopped. Or one more thing > I'm > >>> also a diabetic with an insulin
>>> pump. Love and respect Ed. > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPad > >>> > >>> On Nov
>>> 29, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Sergey Sibirian  > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi
>>> Eddie, > >>> > >>> How do you relate to Ibo yourself? > >>> If you don't
>>> mind sharing. > >>> > >>> Wish you well > >>> > >>> Sergey > >>> > >>> >
>>> >>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Eddie Caceres  > wrote: > >>> >
>>> >>>> > >>>> Hi all. I'm Eddie been following this list for a while I just
>>> don't > >>>> comment much. But respect you all. Just wanted to share that
>>> on last > nights > >>>> episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one of the
>>> main character > Hooked on > >>>> H and going thru bad wds so someone
>>> suggested Ibogaine and they gave > it to > >>>> him. At least Hollywood
>>> acknowledges it. Hooray. Peace > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>>
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>>> 2013 15:15:46 -0500 > From: Jim Hadey3  > To: Ibogaine  > Subject:
>>> [Ibogaine] (no subject) > Message-ID: >  > Content-Type: text/plain;
>>> charset="utf-8" > > Hi Serge, > > Google reverse opiate tolerance this is
>>> the first page. > > (opioids) Is it possible to reverse opioid tolerance? -
>>> Bluelight >
>>> www.bluelight.ru/vb/.../637458-Is-it-possible-to-reverse-opioid-toleranc..
>>> > .? > > > Aug 15, 2012 - 25 posts - ?17 authors > I often hear people say
>>> the only thing that can reverse tolerance to > opioids is time without
>>> taking the drug, or that you can only slow the > ...(opioids) Using
>>> naloxone to counter tolerance 14 posts May 11, 2012 > DXM - The Opiate
>>> Addicts's Miracle Drug, PLEASE READ 25 posts Aug 18, 2010 > NMDA
>>> antagonists for tolerance, a collection of the ... 25 posts May 5, > 2010 >
>>> Preventing/reducing opiate tolerance 25 posts Jul 10, 2007 > More results
>>> from www.bluelight.ru > > Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to
>>> opiate analgesics in ... > www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7454382? > > by
>>> Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related articles > Five patients on
>>> chronic opiate medication to treat low-back and leg pain > were determined
>>> to have developed opiate tolerance on the basis of their > failure to ... >
>>> Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing Receptor Sensitivity ... >
>>> www.drugs-forum.com ? ... ? DRUG-FORUMS ? Opiates & Opioids? > > > Oct
>>> 11, 2008 - 26 posts - ?1 author > Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance:
>>> Reversing Receptor Sensitivity ... and can > prevent or even reverse the
>>> development of tolerance to opioid ...Tolerance > - Does tolerance never
>>> fully go away? 9 posts Sep 6, 2012 > Combinations - Dandelion Root for
>>> Opiate Tolerance 2 posts Jan 11, 2011 > Addiction - Resetting a Kratom
>>> tolerance 26 posts Apr 8, 2010 > Effects - Possible reverse tolerance? 10
>>> posts Jan 28, 2010 > More results from www.drugs-forum.com > >
>>> Reversing Opioid Tolerance - Chronic Pain - HealingWell.com Forum >
>>> www.healingwell.com ? ... ? Diseases & Conditions ? Chronic Pain? > > >
>>> May 23, 2010 - 8 posts - ?4 authors > I have been using opioid (tramadol,
>>> hydrocodone and oxycodone) for 6 years, > ... Though there are drugs to
>>> permanently reverse tolerance for ... > Changing concepts of opioid
>>> tolerance > www.painresearch.utah.edu/cancerpain/ch20.html? > > > What
>>> these classical studies showed is that tolerance does develop to > opioid
>>> ..... are associated with dramatic reduction in pain and rapid > reversal
>>> of tolerance. > Opioids, Cannabinoids, and reverse tolerance - Social
>>> Anxiety Forum > www.socialanxietysupport.com ? ... ? Recovery ?
>>> Medication? > > > Nov 11, 2010 - 14 posts - ?8 authors > According to this
>>> research video, they found that THC can synergize with > Opioids and
>>> decrease and even reverse opioid tolerance. I got my ... > Does anything
>>> other than TIME lower tolerance? [Archive ... >
>>> forum.opiophile.org/archive/index.php/t-1447.html? > > > Feb 8, 2006 -
>>> 16 posts - ?11 authors > The drugs-Hydroxyzine(produces a rough "doubling"
>>> of opiate effects ... > effectiveness AND the prevention/reversal of
>>> tolerance through the use ... > [PDF] > Inhibition of opiate tolerance by
>>> non-competitive N ... - Deep Blue >
>>> deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/.../0000783.pdf?...1? >
>>> > > by KA Trujillo - ?1994 - ?Related articles > The NMDA antagonists were
>>> found to inhibit the development but not the > expression of opiate
>>> tolerance; i.e. they were able to prevent but not > reverse tolerance. >
>>> This can prevent or even reverse opiate tolerance. It's also an opiate ...
>>> >
>>> www.reddit.com/r/.../this_can_prevent_or_even_reverse_opiate_toleranc...?
>>> > > Aug 4, 2009 - This can prevent or even reverse opiate tolerance. It's
>>> also > an opiate potentiator and is not a controlled substance in the U.S.
>>> but its > no longer ... > Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to
>>> opiate ... - ScienceDirect >
>>> www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0304395980900044? > > by Y
>>> Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related articles > Mar 27, 2003 - Five
>>> patients on chronic opiate medication to treat low-back > and leg pain were
>>> determined to have developed opiate tolerance on the > basis of ... >
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>>> 2013 18:42:39 -0600 > From: star ray  > To: "ibogaine at mindvox.com"  >
>>> Subject: [Ibogaine] eddie > Message-ID:  > Content-Type: text/plain;
>>> charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hey Eddie, I pretty much have the same story you
>>> do, did some crazy drugs > when young, got pregnant and straight for 25
>>> years.. had three surgeries, > right knee, left knee (made it through those
>>> with no pain pills and > constant pain) Finally the rotator cuff shoulder
>>> surgery was the breaking > point. Had to take 1 vicoprophen to go through
>>> rehab, and then started > taking some daily. I never have taken a lot of
>>> anything but just enough to > mess me up, been battling with that for seven
>>> years and i have hep > c.......I have done ibogaine a few times and it
>>> always helped and also > helped my liver and reduced my viral load and
>>> enzymes. i am currently off > a low dose of suboxone (.25 mg) for about 16
>>> days, just plain > tired....anyway good luck on your journey... are you
>>> still on subutex?? > > Val and junkboy.... what nice messages, you are the
>>> best > > peace and love, STAR > > > -------------- next part --------------
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>>> 2013 20:32:35 -0500 > From: Sergey Sibirian  > To: The Ibogaine List  >
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland > Message-ID: >  > Content-Type:
>>> text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Eddie, > > I hear you. > 20 years
>>> of sobriety is already saying a lot about you. > Every life story is
>>> unique, contrary to an opinion I saw above, and a > person's suffering
>>> cannot be measured in comparison to anothers. > That's my opinion. > > Hep
>>> C and Diabetes are a big weight, I can only imagine. > So does that mean
>>> you cannot use Ibo? > There are compounds being isolated from Iboga, which
>>> are BELIEVED to be > responsible for WD interuption. > MC-18 is one of
>>> those. > There's some interesting info about the subject on >
>>> Ibogamind.com > Very resourceful website: stands out from the rest FOR
>>> ME. > > I wish you well Eddie, we'll talk more. > > Sergey > > On Friday,
>>> 29 November 2013, Eddie Caceres wrote: > > > Hey Serg > > Long story I'll
>>> try keep it short. Was an H addict for some time used > > everything under
>>> the sun coke, ups, crack, acid, got clean in 1990 ( > rehab) > > after
>>> trying countless detoxes and col turkey. Stood clean and sober thru > > 12
>>> step programs for 21 yrs. Had an injury in my job that required > shoulder
>>> > > surgery. Didn't really abuse the meds vics,Percocet. But the monster
>>> was > > released. And I'm hooked tried the done for a while 2mons 30mgs
>>> couldn't > > deal with that shit. So I tried this wonder drug subutex so I
>>> thought > been > > on it since about 6months 2-3mg a day even though my
>>> doctor wanted me on > > 8-16 a day. Can't tell you the world of depression
>>> I'm in. But I've been > > researching ibo spoke to Buddy, Sister and the
>>> guy that was on the Hbo > > program for ibo (vice). EKG was good but my
>>> liver is in bad shape (hepc > +) > > can't really afford to go to a clinic
>>> but most of all I can't even break > > the news to my family. I've been
>>> hiding my addiction. But we all know > what > > doesn't come out in the
>>> wash comes out in the rinse.lol. I truly respect > > you all on this forum
>>> and know what I have to do but drugs and > > procrastination is a mother
>>> -ucker. And no one in a 12 step program would > > even understand Ibo so I
>>> don't mention it to them. I consider myself a > > spiritual person and been
>>> relying on that a lot . Got a good job good > > family but emotionally I'm
>>> falling apart. Especially after experiencing > all > > those years without
>>> using. This disease is brutal to say the least. Hope > I > > answered your
>>> question. Feel free to ask away I'm open to suggestion. > P.S. > > I've
>>> been working out a bit since my shoulder is still messed up. I've > been >
>>> > feeling better,my appetite is getting better and started talking my > >
>>> vitamins again. I was big on that and had stopped. Or one more thing I'm >
>>> > also a diabetic with an insulin pump. Love and respect Ed. > > > > Sent
>>> from my iPad > > > > On Nov 29, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Sergey Sibirian 'cvml', '
>>> sibirianfox at gmail.com');>> > > wrote: > > > > Hi Eddie, > > > > How do
>>> you relate to Ibo yourself? > > If you don't mind sharing. > > > > Wish you
>>> well > > > > Sergey > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Eddie
>>> Caceres  'cvml', 'ebrvwarr at aol.com');> > > > wrote: > > > >> > >> Hi
>>> all. I'm Eddie been following this list for a while I just don't > >>
>>> comment much. But respect you all. Just wanted to share that on last >
>>> nights > >> episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one of the main
>>> character Hooked > on > >> H and going thru bad wds so someone suggested
>>> Ibogaine and they gave it > to > >> him. At least Hollywood acknowledges
>>> it. Hooray. Peace > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> -=[) ::::::: MindVox |
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>>> 2013 20:40:10 -0500 > From: Sergey Sibirian  > To: The Ibogaine List  >
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] wanna say goodbye, wanna wish you all nice > xmas,
>>> happy new year and everything! > Message-ID: >  > Content-Type:
>>> text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Mi go, > > Mi go, mein freund! > Ich
>>> wunsche dir ein freuliche Weinachten und viel Spass! > > Enjoy yourself and
>>> the new year. > > Sergey > > On Saturday, 30 November 2013, Mi Go wrote: >
>>> > > hey good people from the forum, > > > > first of all i really
>>> appreciate to be member of that forum, first time i > > found a forum or
>>> people with a lot of knowledge about that plant and > > medicine where im
>>> much interested in, its really hard often to get any > > usefull
>>> information! > > > > i wanna say thx for all the replies and infos i got
>>> til now and wish you > > all a happy xmas etc. etc. i dont know if i have
>>> any inet connection > there > > where i go, i have a doubt on that hehe,
>>> anyway i will log in, as often > its > > possible, > > > > stand strong and
>>> take care everybody, have fun and keep up the good work, > > maybe you can
>>> sent me over some positive vibes every often, i will do the > > same!! > >
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>>> 2013 10:51:53 -0800 (PST) > From: danielle yates  > To: "
>>> ibogaine at mindvox.com"  > Subject: [Ibogaine] Star, Val and all >
>>> Message-ID: > <
>>> 1385837513.43534.YahooMailNeo at web184302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> >
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello... > Star and Val
>>> thanks for the kind words, I've considered Kratom. ?Right now > it's a
>>> white knuckle ride with nothing...other than a face plant before >
>>> Thanksgiving. ?I'm under no illusions about how temporary my current state
>>> > of "clean" will be if I don't implement real, tangible intervention. ?All
>>> I > know is I'm taking bb steps...(as advised on this very forum). > > Also
>>> to those that shared your Thanksgiving thoughts I think you're > incredibly
>>> inspirational and I'm so, so, so very glad that I don't have to > be alone
>>> when facing major obstacles that seem overwhelming. ?If it weren't > for
>>> you Trail Blazers I don't think I would even attempt such a harrowing >
>>> journey. ? > @ Eddie, Hello and nice to meet you. > > > >
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>>> Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 11:43:53 -0700 > From: junkboy  >
>>> To: The Ibogaine List  > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboganights >
>>> Message-ID: > ???  > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >
>>> jeffg, > im glad you posted being grateful. it helped me to remember how
>>> grateful i > am to not have that damned monkey on my back anymore. this
>>> list has helped > me a ton. thanks for everyone who has reached out and
>>> helped me on my > journey from being a drug addicted crazy person to a
>>> clean crazy person. > ibogaine is definitely a tool that has helped change
>>> my life. it actually > did not FIX me.. it just helped me along on my
>>> journey. > ? ive learned that i have to do the work to help myself, to find
>>> something > that fills that emptiness that is inside me that wants to be
>>> filled with > drugs, self destructive behavior, and chaos. im working to
>>> overcome myself. > its not an easy process, but so far has been totally
>>> worth it. > i like quick fixes. well, im learning that there there are no
>>> quick fixes. > quoting from NA its one day at a time. > plugging away at my
>>> issues, trying to let go of beliefs that are not > working, and letting
>>> other people into my heart seems to be working for me. > other than a stint
>>> earler this year involving the emergency room, morphine > and a take home
>>> script of perc's, its been good. > i want to say thank you to everyone on
>>> this list, everyone who has emailed > me privately and chatted with me, my
>>> wife who can somehow put up with me, > my NA group, and others who have
>>> helped take this broken, sad, depressed > and desperate shell of a human
>>> being, and helped me to grow into a person > who is healing and becoming
>>> whole again. > there is hope. > all it takes is a little work every day. >
>>> some support > some love. > some taking, > some giving > some compromise, >
>>> some pain, > some compassion > some random acts of kindness > and a letting
>>> go of hate, self loathing, pride, and thinking you are the > cock of the
>>> walk. > your not.. just human like all the rest of us.. > love you guys and
>>> gals.. > junkboy > > > On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Jeff G  wrote:
>>> > > > Saw this inside mindvox, thought it might be something the list here
>>> > would > > like to see. > > Sergey?? > > > > http://iboganights.co.uk/> > > > And happy thanksgiving to all of you, I'm grateful for you, this
>>> list, > and > > for being unsprung from my methadone habit....and for
>>> finally seeing that > > all the 'reasons' I had to be high were basically
>>> full of shit. > > Sometimes I wish I didn't, but mostly I'm really glad. >
>>> > Peace > > JeffG > > > > > >? -=[) ::::::: MindVox | Ibogaine | List
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>>> 2013 15:12:13 -0800 > From: Valarie  > To: The Ibogaine List  >
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboganights > Message-ID: > ???  >
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Yes, Thank you too all
>>> who have helped me get clean and stay clean. > Ibogaine was a big part in
>>> my recovery. > I have gone cold turkey plenty of times but once I had been
>>> on Methadone > maintenance then Sub maintenance then methadone again then
>>> Sub again all of > these maintenance for 12 years left me to afraid to
>>> detox. > If it were not for Ibogaine I would have never got off that merry
>>> go round. > In order for me to stay clean I am going to an outpatient
>>> program from > 10-1pm then I go to a place called the Wellness Center from
>>> 1-5pm and it > gets dark so early now because of daylights savings it's
>>> already dark by > 5pm, > I go home have dinner then go to bed, so my day is
>>> now full. Before I could > not stop thinking about getting high, Now I am
>>> keeping myself busy. You all > kept telling me but I was being lazy . >
>>> Thank you to everyone on this list. I could not have gotten sober without >
>>> you. > Now I get to go on here to keep my recovery going with all your help
>>> and > help others by sharing my experience. You can get off Methadone! You
>>> can > get off Sub! > You don't need to go back to heroin and end up dying
>>> to do ibogaine you can > use kratom for that short time. Then depending on
>>> how your provider feels > detox from that or they might put you on a SAO
>>> for a couple days. Then > Ibogaine!!!!! > Don't let the 3 months scare you.
>>> > Love you all. > Lotsof Love, Val > On Nov 29, 2013 11:28 AM, "junkboy" wrote: > > > jeffg, > > im glad you posted being grateful. it helped me to
>>> remember how grateful > i > > am to not have that damned monkey on my back
>>> anymore. this list has > helped > > me a ton. thanks for everyone who has
>>> reached out and helped me on my > > journey from being a drug addicted
>>> crazy person to a clean crazy person. > > ibogaine is definitely a tool
>>> that has helped change my life. it actually > > did not FIX me.. it just
>>> helped me along on my journey. > >? ? ive learned that i have to do the
>>> work to help myself, to find > > something that fills that emptiness that
>>> is inside me that wants to be > > filled with drugs, self destructive
>>> behavior, and chaos. im working to > > overcome myself. its not an easy
>>> process, but so far has been totally > worth > > it. > > i like quick
>>> fixes. well, im learning that there there are no quick > fixes. > > quoting
>>> from NA its one day at a time. > > plugging away at my issues, trying to
>>> let go of beliefs that are not > > working, and letting other people into
>>> my heart seems to be working for > me. > > other than a stint earler this
>>> year involving the emergency room, > morphine > > and a take home script of
>>> perc's, its been good. > > i want to say thank you to everyone on this
>>> list, everyone who has > emailed > > me privately and chatted with me, my
>>> wife who can somehow put up with me, > > my NA group, and others who have
>>> helped take this broken, sad, depressed > > and desperate shell of a human
>>> being, and helped me to grow into a person > > who is healing and becoming
>>> whole again. > > there is hope. > > all it takes is a little work every
>>> day. > > some support > > some love. > > some taking, > > some giving > >
>>> some compromise, > > some pain, > > some compassion > > some random acts of
>>> kindness > > and a letting go of hate, self loathing, pride, and thinking
>>> you are the > > cock of the walk. > > your not.. just human like all the
>>> rest of us.. > > love you guys and gals.. > > junkboy > > > > > > On Fri,
>>> Nov 29, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Jeff G  wrote: > > > >> Saw this inside
>>> mindvox, thought it might be something the list here > >> would like to
>>> see. > >> Sergey?? > >> > >> http://iboganights.co.uk/ > >> > >> And
>>> happy thanksgiving to all of you, I'm grateful for you, this list, > >> and
>>> for being unsprung from my methadone habit....and for finally seeing > >>
>>> that all the 'reasons' I had to be high were basically full of shit. > >>
>>> Sometimes I wish I didn't, but mostly I'm really glad. > >> Peace > >>
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>>> 2013 15:24:05 -0800 > From: Valarie  > To: The Ibogaine List  >
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Danielle > Message-ID: > ???  > Content-Type:
>>> text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Daniel, I don't know if you have
>>> looked into this but it is safer then > going on pills that will be abused
>>> and not to mention expensive, or go to > heroin. > Kratomassociation.org> I know of a few people personally who are staying off Methadone this way,
>>> > and I personally used it to help me get off Subutex, untill I had a >
>>> seizure.? If you have a history of seizures high doses of Kratom can make >
>>> you easily seizure susceptible. > Lotsof Love, Val > On Nov 28, 2013 5:33
>>> PM, "star ray"  wrote: > > > > > Wow Danielle, thanks for sharing your
>>> story....you have been through > > alot... now personally i am not sure how
>>> long you have to be off > methadone > > to have a successful ibogaine
>>> treatment but i am sure someone on this > list > > knows... I think
>>> ibogaine is definitely a good idea for you... whatever > you > > do, if
>>> ibogaine is your plan, do not go back on methadone or suboxone!!!! > > > >
>>> Happy Thanksgiving, gotta go , my son and i are bonding over a movie > > >
>>> > LOVE and hang in there,? STAR > > > > > >? -=[) ::::::: MindVox |
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