[Ibogaine] how do I get friends validated inside MindVox?

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Wed Dec 4 09:53:33 CST 2013


It posted. I saw it


From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network.

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From: Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com> 
Date: 12/04/2013  8:11 AM  (GMT-07:00) 
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com> 
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how do I get friends validated inside MindVox? 
 
I created a new post on Monday night and it still hasn't posted.
So I re-sent it last night and it still has not posted. 
I double checked my email, it shows I sent it right.
Is this happening to anyone else?
<3 Val

On Dec 3, 2013 3:22 PM, "Vector Vector" <vector620022002 at yahoo.com> wrote:
Ok duh I missed invite friends the first 15 times it got mentioned ;-) Thanks, that clarified a lot.

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On Mon, 12/2/13, Patrick K. Kroupa <digital at phantom.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] how do I get friends validated inside MindVox?
 To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
 Date: Monday, December 2, 2013, 5:02 PM


 On Dec 2, 2013, at 12:32 PM, Vector Vector <vector620022002 at yahoo.com>
 wrote:

 [...]

 > you have validated at least 250 people, looking at
 what’s being posted at least 2/3rds of them are not
 ibogaine people at all,

 Well ... MindVox isn't the ibogaine list; it's not really
 our primary focus, as has been mentioned about 101 times
 ...  ibogaine falls under the auspices of one of my
 weird hobbies that's tolerated, but it's really not why
 anybody else who's part of MindVox Corp is working on our
 project.

 We will continue running the list.  We will continue
 supporting ibogaine within the system and provide forums and
 resources.  We have never monetized ibogaine, our
 expectations moving forward are that ibogaine will be
 responsible for 0% of our bottom line, thus, it's not really
 that urgent to anybody else.

 > I hope I covered everything. #1, whether you personally
 find it deeply important and I'm guessing not, you are the
 only "living" site that ranks on page 1 of google.
 Everything else in there is a historical site which has been
 shut down or sees updates once every 5 years. You're
 accepting logins but not validating them. Could you guys
 please fix.

 We're in alpha, moving towards perpetual beta.  A lot
 of code has changed recently, more people have been
 validated to test the system and catch any problems we've
 missed.  The people who are inside right now are either
 friends, have received invitations, or they are entirely
 self-selected.

 When people register and request accounts, and then write a
 message that's 15 pages long and basically includes their
 entire life history, "...and my mom, my nephew, and then
 when I was 12 I was followed home by a vicodin, and after
 this..." does anybody carefully read all of this, well,
 no... it's too long and we lack the time, but obviously it's
 important for you to be inside, so b'okay then, account
 activated.

 That's it.  That covers all the new people who are
 activated and had no special invites; they invited
 themselves and let us know why it's important for them to be
 inside.  Okay, we feel ya, so's, welcome, you're
 validated.

 > #2 how do I invite people and get them validated. I do
 not understand your criteria for who gets validated, there
 are total noobs inside who saw ibogaine on homeland
 arriving, but you haven't validated anybody I have told to
 login.

 Read above, plus, also, d00d... this question has been
 answered about 5 times inside the system.  Generate an
 invite code and send it to the people you wanna
 invite.  Hit your profile page, and select >>
 Invite Friends.  That's it.  This places the
 account into a completely separate queue from the main
 registrations, and gets it activated within 24 hours. 
 YOU have the power to do that, you don't need any special
 action on our part.

 Here's the latest instance of this exact question, being
 answered, yet another time: http://www.mindvox.com/pg/post/7434

 Every account that's validated right now can invite up to 10
 additional people.

 > #3 will the ibogaine conferences be readable from
 outside MindVox, you said you were working on this, you got
 it working for blogs and pix about 10 days ago, when the
 forums?

 We're running as a semi-permeable walled garden.  The
 default for EVERYTHING is running in paranoid mode. 
 Everything inside MindVox, stays inside MindVox and does not
 index, UNLESS *you* understand what is happening, and YOU
 take a specific series of actions to enable indexing of your
 content by changing your privacy settings, so Google and
 other search engines pick it up.

 The code enabling this for individual users was finished
 about 2 weeks ago, the code to allow this for Forums is
 almost done, the main remaining problem is somehow visually
 indicating the state of a Forum so that people who post to
 it, have awareness that IT IS AN OPEN FORUM which is WORLD
 READABLE.  There are additional variables, because,
 what happens when a person who wants all their shit to
 remain inside MindVox only, posts to an open forum?  We
 have to filter it, go down the list of participants in any
 given thread, and then nonexist content from the people who
 don't want their replies to index out.

 All of this is a response to years and years and years of
 hysterical email from people, which could all be summed up
 as: "OMFG, I just posted a bunch of crazy shit using my real
 name and sent out to everybody on the list!@#!@!!  Can
 you plZ undo that!?!?!?"

 To which the answer is-

 [1]: No, no we can't.  It is a public email list,
 anybody can sign up for it, this is how you found it in the
 first place.  You read all the BOLD RED LETTERS telling
 you this, then clicked okay, then you validated your account
 and indicated you understood all of this, and then you want
 ahead and did something silly anyway.  Sorry, we can't
 undo it.  We do not store your name, we have no idea
 what the fuck it even is, the list  just takes that
 information from however you have set up your email headers;
 we cannot reach out into everybody's mailbox and remove the
 shit you wish you hand't sent.  Sorry, but it's all
 you.

 plus, also,

 [2]: We're not your secretary.  You took it upon
 yourself to do all this.  You read the warnings, you
 said you understood what's happening, then you went ahead
 and posted whatever you posted and now somebody else who is
 not getting paid for their time is supposed to try and undo
 whatever bullshit you did.

 It's an email list, deal with it.  It works pretty much
 the same way as every other email list.

 MindVox is a lot different.  You can change what name
 is visible inside, you can delete your content, because it's
 your content stored in an SQL dbase, not sent out into
 people's email.  Your personal email address is NOT
 visible to anybody, unless you specifically take an action
 to make it visible.  Nobody knows who you are, unless
 you specifically go out of your way to let them know.

 Your choices.  What's happening, is just a lot more
 obvious, and under YOUR control.

 There's one caveat to all of the above: if people have email
 notifications going, or saved searches, RSS or push
 notifications, where the system is mailing them all content
 related to, for instance, "ibogaine" then you can't delete
 that either, because the mail system sends it out the moment
 you hit [SEND/POST].  Then it sends an update that this
 content was deleted or edited, but we cannot reach into
 people's email and destroy the content you wish you hadn't
 posted.  Welcome to teh int3rnetZ!@#!1!

 One additional note would be: even when your content is
 immediately sent out due to the way individual users have
 configured their notifications- it still does not include
 your email address, and just uses whatever name you have
 chosen to make publicly visible.  Some of your privacy
 is maintained even if you have no idea what you're doing.

 Anyhoo, alpha will hit Perpetual Beta, sometime around
 Christmas when everybody has a lot more time to focus on the
 codebase.  It's pretty much 98% of the way there as you
 can see from the inside.

 To recap: to invite your friends, hit Profile >>
 Invite Friends.  To register, just hit the front of the
 site @ MindVox.com and do that.  If it's
 super-important that you participate RighT n0w, let us
 know.  That's it.

 All the best,

 Patrick

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