[Ibogaine] side note on heroin music (Danielle)

danielle yates danielle6175 at sbcglobal.net
Mon Dec 2 14:27:49 CST 2013



Thanks for posting that link Vector.  Very interesting...  I'm still learning how all of this is intertwined.  
@Annette; I watched the (AIC) live uncut performance.  It was sad because I felt like I was watching a ghost.  Or the last remaining remnants of what was once a strong, vibrant, creative, intelligent, AND GOOOOOD LOOKING mayaan.  I also looked at his different photos over the years and the only word I can think of that kind of describes the way he changed is "ravaged".
I'm relieved I'm facing things during a time period that there's real help available because science and technology are starting to catch up a little (not a lot; but I'll take what I can get).  
I know the over all mentality is negative toward Methadone and other types of "maintenance" but to have SOMETHING that brings stability for a long enough amount of time for you to put together an informed plan of attack is an absolute gift.
I agree with you about the style they administer Methadone.  The only way I got around that was I had legitimate health stuff and I'm pretty sure my Doc was tuned in to the spiral I was engaging so he offered that as a treatment for pain.  Which means that I got 3 month supplies at a time.  I'm thankful for that; but I know that people who don't have a underlying health issues have to go to a Methadone Clinic daily and subject themselves to those requirements.  Which corners those that want to utilize this method to either lie to a doc or buy it off the streets for a RIDICULOUS price.  The Meth clinics make a pretty penny too.  I didn't know until I got on this list that the Clinics charge $85 a month just to get their dose.  I think I paid roughly $45-$55 for 190 pills and I only had to apps that year to go to.
In the case with Layne Stayler if the dude went to rehab 13 times he wanted to change.  That's desperation.  It sounds like rehab in those days was a brow beating, feelings approach (correct me if I'm wrong) which is fine if addiction was a temporary lapse of our moral fiber.  However; now we know that long term abuse (especially heroin and speed balls as was his situation) leads to a change in your brain on a molecular level.  Your pleasure zone has been rewired to perceive the state of being "High" has normal and when there is a lack of opiates your body goes completely haywire in it's state of natural homeostasis.  Depending on the longevity and severity of addiction that takes a very long time to heal and some (not all) may find themselves in a place where these types of meds give them a quality of life they otherwise wouldn't have.  There should not be any shame in that.  
I know the accidental overdoses is through the roof with Meth users because they want the Euphoric feeling and such so they use on top of the Meth.  We can't control that.  We can only give people accurate information (which should go into detail of the "blocking effect" so they know using is a waste of time), and what their options are after they get stable such as a slow taper, aftercare, whatever.
I view methadone in the same way I view anti depressants.  After I had my daughter I got plowed down by sever Postpartum Depression.  I loved my bb and all but I TRULY THOUGHT that if I really loved her I would kill myself.  I thought that in the long run, without me around she would be better off.  I felt that my life was nothing but an infection on the people I love.  Bare in mind I was not dealing with any addictions at that time.  That was pure unadulterated hormonal crash-and-burn.  Luckily I had a moment of clarity enough to call my Doc.  I asked about depression and just made some hints.  Long story short he prescribed me antidepressants and I feel they saved my life.  I was drowning. 
There is a HUGE stigma attached to antidepressants too especially 10 yrs ago and maybe even MORE especially among my community of friends because turning to anti depressants was considered a "lack of faith".  
Be-that-as-it may I needed EMERGENCY help and my situation was not getting "prayed away".  So I accepted my first script for anti depressants.  I took them for 6 months.  After I got a strong footing I tapered off.  However; if for some reason what I was dealing with was consistent manic Depression and I had to take antidepressants for the rest of my life; I would not have felt guilty for that.  
Depression as in Addiction in MANY ways is a medical condition.  Of course the "whole person" must be treated.  Counseling has it's place but to make the medicinal necessity unreachable is inhumane and demoralizing.  Quality healthcare that respects the dignity of the patient is a reasonable expectation.

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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 11:12:18 -0500
From: Eddie Caceres <ebrvwarr at aol.com>
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Thanks Jim..

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 1, 2013, at 10:26 AM, Jim Hadey3 <jimhadey3 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Eddi,
> 
> I and many other people took Ibo with Hep C and are alive to talk about it.  I know nothing about medicine but if your in mediocre health I think you will make it.  I did it 4 times and ta ta as you know I am still around.  Of course everyone is different, maybe you could find out how bad you liver is then make a decision.
> 
> Best,
> 
>   - JIM
>  
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 11:46 PM, Eddie Caceres <ebrvwarr at aol.com> wrote:
>> Thanks all for the kind words and the warm welcome. Yes Star still on sub about 2-3 mg depends on my day don't want to go above that. I've been since July ( sub). I haven't considered IBO not because of my Hep c but my finances and situation at home. Won't be easy breaking the news to family. Love and respect to all
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2013, at 7:42 PM, star ray <earthshealing at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Eddie, I pretty much have the same story you do,  did some crazy drugs when young, got pregnant and straight for 25 years.. had three surgeries, right knee, left knee (made it through those with no pain pills and constant pain) Finally the rotator cuff shoulder surgery was the breaking point.  Had to take 1 vicoprophen to go through rehab, and then started taking some daily.  I never have taken a lot of anything but just enough to mess me up, been battling with that for seven years and i have hep c.......I have done ibogaine a few times and it always helped and also helped my liver and reduced my viral load and enzymes.  i am currently off a low dose of suboxone (.25 mg)  for about 16 days,  just plain tired....anyway good luck on your journey... are you still on subutex??  
>>>  
>>> Val and junkboy.... what nice messages, you are the best
>>>  
>>> peace and love,  STAR
>>> 
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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 11:17:49 -0600
From: Valerie Bird <valbird at gmail.com>
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I'm new here. This is my first posting. Hope I'm doing it right. I spent 14
years on opiates.  14 years of increasing hell. I've been off the hard core
opiates and in a 12 step program for 3.5 years now. I spent 2.5 years on
suboxone and I thought I'd never get off it...it sucked because I couldn't
wrap my head around the withdrawals.  They came in later and were even
worse than the opiate withdrawal.  I finally got off it using tramadol.
Unfortunately it took a lot of tramadol! I am finally off that too! I saw
an episode of Law and Order SVU where a heroin addict was treated with
ibogaine. .that started my research.  I'm disgusted with the elite
capitalist bullshit reasons that ibogaine is not legal in the US. The
pharmaceutical manufacturers had all my money on opiates then on suboxone,
then tramadol..and now I sit 3.5 years later and I still have the damn hole
inside me that I started with and I'm broke!. I did the 12 steps,  have a
sponsor,  and got real  involved in the recovery movement. I'm sick that
now that the "medical" treatment is over  I still crave filling the void! I
am in Florida and I want ibogaine but I can't afford to turn this into a
luxury vacation for God's sake! I need the deep cleansing and the
emotional, spiritual, and intellectual insights that ibogaine can give.
Meditation and prayer still have not been enough.  Any advise on where to
go safely and affordably?

Val
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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 21:35:36 -0500
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Hi Val B,

So your off the sub and clean now, right?  I must tell you that Ibo is not
like any other kind of drug and can be dangerous.   Learn all you can on
this forum and others like eboka.info and maybe check out erowid.org.  It
is not like acid or any other drug and there is a lot to know beforehand.
For example you can not be taking SSRIs, SSNIs or many other drugs.  It
also helps to have some kind of after plan like CBT, NA or whatever for it
is hard to do it all by yourself.  You must have a good sitter for DIY does
not mean all by yourself.  Stick around this forum for there is a lot of
experience here.

Fell to ask questions all you want,

  - JIM



On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Valerie Bird <valbird at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm new here. This is my first posting. Hope I'm doing it right. I spent
> 14 years on opiates.  14 years of increasing hell. I've been off the hard
> core opiates and in a 12 step program for 3.5 years now. I spent 2.5 years
> on suboxone and I thought I'd never get off it...it sucked because I
> couldn't wrap my head around the withdrawals.  They came in later and were
> even worse than the opiate withdrawal.  I finally got off it using
> tramadol.  Unfortunately it took a lot of tramadol! I am finally off that
> too! I saw an episode of Law and Order SVU where a heroin addict was
> treated with ibogaine. .that started my research.  I'm disgusted with the
> elite capitalist bullshit reasons that ibogaine is not legal in the US. The
> pharmaceutical manufacturers had all my money on opiates then on suboxone,
> then tramadol..and now I sit 3.5 years later and I still have the damn hole
> inside me that I started with and I'm broke!. I did the 12 steps,  have a
> sponsor,  and got real  involved in the recovery movement. I'm sick that
> now that the "medical" treatment is over  I still crave filling the void! I
> am in Florida and I want ibogaine but I can't afford to turn this into a
> luxury vacation for God's sake! I need the deep cleansing and the
> emotional, spiritual, and intellectual insights that ibogaine can give.
> Meditation and prayer still have not been enough.  Any advise on where to
> go safely and affordably?
>
> Val
>
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Okay; I have to say I got a HUUUUUUUGE education on the Heroin Music forum. ?I've never used Heroin but I feel opiates in general are headed in the same direction so I like to here or see what people that are struggling or overcoming are listening to. ?

DISCLAIMER ~ NO ONE IS ALOUD TO LAUGH AT ME!!! ? (Deep cleansing breath in) ?Honest to God; I had no idea who any of them were. ?Mostly in regards to never hearing their music. ?Of course I know who John Lennon is but I had no idea he had a song called "Cold Turkey". ?Most especially ?I didn't know who Alice In Chains are (they were around during my teen years). ?I have no idea how I missed that (in my adult life). ?The reason for my lack of exposure, is I was raised in a community very similar to the Amish as I've mentioned before. ?For those who don't know what that is, it's basically a very strict, and disciplined lifestyle centered around the Christian Faith. ?I had no T.V., NO secular music, no pants (for females) and all the other stuff.

When I watched the AIC video I was like; "HOLY HELL WHO'S THE BEAUTIFUL BLOND DUDE?" ?I mean really; he had that whole Greek God thang goin ON! ?So naturally I googled his name (Layne Staley) because I wanted to stalk him...er; um, I mean hear more of his music. ?; ) ?

I CAN'T BELIEVE HE'S DEAD!! ?I know you all dealt with that about 10 years ago; but let me have this. ?What a sad waste of friggin talent and beauty! ?His story is so depressing! ?He went to 13 different rehab centers and then gave up. ?At one point he told one of his band mates that; "he wasn't coming back from this. ?This is it." (referring to Heroin) That statement ferments and oozes despair...a despair I'm sure many of us have felt while contending with the same demons.

Clearly I need a crash course on the Grunge time period as I was in Church while all that was going on (not by my own free will). ? Well wait; I was in Church mostly. ?The rest of the time I was in Sin City learning about all the things I wasn't supposed to look at. ?: D

So this is my question: ?Was Ibogaine available or known in those social circles? ?Was the concept of a "maintenance program" with methadone or sub being utilized? ?Did rehabs have meds to allow for a detox that didn't involve wanting to off yourself? ?Feel free to volunteer any pertinent details.

This begs the question; who has died or is curled up in their home, more consumed with feeding their habit than getting busy with the God given gifts they have? ?What if one of those fatalities would've found a cure for Cancer? ?What if one of those lives could have made the difference between war and peace in the Middle East Crisis? ?What about all the beautiful babies that will never take their first breadth, or the love stories that were robbed of their season to bloom? ?It's beyond my ability to wrap my mind around the catastrophic damage that happens every where, all the time, on a daily basis because of addiction. ?

It makes me so utterly sad to think about.





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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:38:26 -0800
From: Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com>
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Hi Leo, I definitely agree with Sergie.
It is very dangerous to stop taking benzodiazepine before you do ibogaine,
do to risk of seizures.
This one ibogaine facility I called told me to stop taking xanex one week
before my treatment which is absolutely CRAZY and I told them that they
were going to kill someone.
Once I found out about Ibogaine I made a hard decision to go from Xanex to
Colonzapam.? I have had plenty of seizures due to benzodiazepine
withdrawal, and had to be careful.
I don't know if the Ibogaine helped with not needing as much but my benzo
intake has gone down significantly since I did my treatment.
I am actually only taking half of the dose which is prescribed to me, and
find it easier to taper since I did my ibogaine treatment.
Because I had to take the colonzapam during my treatment I did not have
very many visions, Ibogaine of course was still greatly beneficial as I am
now off opiots after 13 years of use.
I hope to be completely off the colonzapam within 3 months and would like
to do Ibogaine again for spiritual purposes.
Which is why I asked about HCL vs TA.

Lotsof Love,? Val
On Nov 30, 2013 7:54 AM, "Sergey Sibirian" <sibirianfox at gmail.com> wrote:

> Val, Leo
>
> Benzos addiction is by far the worst IN TERMS OF PHYSICAL DEPENDANCY.
> I'm not talking ADDICTION AS A WHOLE.
> From what I read and researched, Ibo does NOT reset benzo addiction.
> And it makes sense, to me at least.
> If opioids fuck with the endorphine system in our brain, the benzos fuck
> with
> Our brains much more basic system: homeostasys and GABBA.
> Homeostatys is basically a state of balance the brain has to maintain at
> any price between the "up" and "down" states.
> Between stimulation/action and depression/deactivation.
> And this is exactly what delirium tremens is:
> The brain has been long "down" stimulated by alcohol, which also acts on
> GABBA receptors.
> So when a person abruptly stops drinking, the "up" part of brain is
> active, while the "down" waits for alcohol to do its job.
> The result is a loss of balance in favor of the "up", and delirium tremens
> sets in.
> Convulsions, hallucinations, and ultimately possible coma or death...
>
> With heroin/opioids, no matter the severity of WD, there's no danger of
> death.
> With GABBA agonists, such as benzos and alcohol, there is.
> All that to point out that benzo addiction is very serious and in my
> humble opinion, should NEVER be interrupted
> But rather tapered down.
> But then again, I'm no expert on benzo addiction, although I've personally
> witnessed two persons being brought to the hospital
> In state of coma due to alcohol WD.
> That pretty much shocked me so I did some research and NEVER touch benzos.
>
> Wish you well
>
> Sergey
>
>
> On Saturday, 30 November 2013, leomroz24 wrote:
>
>> So it did help you with the Benzo dt's? I have heard from some people
>> that it does not take away the withdrawals from benzo and also I have heard
>> many people getting rid of there addiction since it took them to the root
>> of why they had anxiety to begin with. I have been on benzo's for 7 years
>> or so and have cut my dose down to about 1mg per day, sometimes less but I
>> just cant seem to kick these damn things.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As most of you know I did not get very many visions during my ibogaine
>>> treatment which was a disappointment to me.
>>> Since I did Ibogaine I have cut my Colonzapam intake in half from 6mgs
>>> to 3 mgs.
>>> Before treatment and tapering to Colonzapam? I had been on 6-14mgs of
>>> xanex a day for over 10years
>>> I am sure this is why bidding get very many visions.
>>> I plan to be off the colonzapam completely in about 3 months and want to
>>> do another treatment
>>> Should I get the TA or HCL again?
>>> My boyfriend will probably watch me since my favorite person in the
>>> world who treated me lives in a different state.
>>> I heard the TA is more for visions,? and HCL is more for the addiction
>>> is this true?
>>> Thanks for your continued help.
>>> Lotsof Love,? Val
>>>
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:06:43 -0800
From: Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com>
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Have a nice trip MiGo!
Love ya, Val
On Nov 30, 2013 7:39 AM, "Mi Go" <migoletto75 at gmail.com> wrote:

> hey good people from the forum,
>
> first of all i really appreciate to be member of that forum, first time i
> found a forum or people with a lot of knowledge about that plant and
> medicine where im much interested in, its really hard often to get any
> usefull information!
>
> i wanna say thx for all the replies and infos i got til now and wish you
> all a happy xmas etc. etc. i dont know if i have any inet connection there
> where i go, i have a doubt on that hehe, anyway i will log in, as often its
> possible,
>
> stand strong and take care everybody, have fun and keep up the good work,
> maybe you can sent me over some positive vibes every often, i will do the
> same!!
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:09:01 -0800
From: Jeff G <jeffgallop at gmail.com>
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Good luck...
Stay safe.
Freak Freely!
Peace
JeffG
On Nov 30, 2013 7:09 AM, "Mi Go" <migoletto75 at gmail.com> wrote:

> hey good people from the forum,
>
> first of all i really appreciate to be member of that forum, first time i
> found a forum or people with a lot of knowledge about that plant and
> medicine where im much interested in, its really hard often to get any
> usefull information!
>
> i wanna say thx for all the replies and infos i got til now and wish you
> all a happy xmas etc. etc. i dont know if i have any inet connection there
> where i go, i have a doubt on that hehe, anyway i will log in, as often its
> possible,
>
> stand strong and take care everybody, have fun and keep up the good work,
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:09:36 -0800
From: Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland
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Wow Eddie, You have a lot going on. When I was on Subutex my depression got
really bad the 2nd year. I hope you continue to post on here, and I will
keep you in my thoughts.
Lotsof Love, Val
On Nov 30, 2013 7:24 AM, "Eddie Caceres" <ebrvwarr at aol.com> wrote:

> Hey Serg
>? Long story I'll try keep it short. Was an H addict for some time used
> everything under the sun coke, ups, crack, acid, got clean in 1990 ( rehab)
> after trying countless detoxes and col turkey. Stood clean and sober thru
> 12 step programs for 21 yrs. Had an injury in my job that required shoulder
> surgery. Didn't really abuse the meds vics,Percocet. But the monster was
> released. And I'm hooked tried the done for a while 2mons 30mgs couldn't
> deal with that shit. So I tried this wonder drug subutex so I thought been
> on it since about 6months 2-3mg a day even though my doctor wanted me on
> 8-16 a day. Can't tell you the world of depression I'm in. But I've been
> researching ibo spoke to Buddy, Sister and the guy that was on the Hbo
> program for ibo (vice). EKG was good but my liver is in bad shape (hepc +)
> can't really afford to go to a clinic but most of all I can't even break
> the news to my family. I've been hiding my addiction. But we all know what
> doesn't come out in the wash comes out in the rinse.lol. I truly respect
> you all on this forum and know what I have to do but drugs and
> procrastination is a mother -ucker. And no one in a 12 step program would
> even understand Ibo so I don't mention it to them. I consider myself a
> spiritual person and been relying on that a lot . Got a good job good
> family but emotionally I'm falling apart. Especially after experiencing all
> those years without using. This disease is brutal to say the least. Hope I
> answered your question. Feel free to ask away I'm open to suggestion. P.S.
> I've been working out a bit since my shoulder is still messed up. I've been
> feeling better,my appetite is getting better and started talking my
> vitamins again. I was big on that and had stopped. Or one more thing I'm
> also a diabetic with an insulin pump. Love and respect Ed.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 29, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Eddie,
>
> How do you relate to Ibo yourself?
> If you don't mind sharing.
>
> Wish you well
>
> Sergey
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Eddie Caceres <ebrvwarr at aol.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all. I'm Eddie been following this list for a while I just don't
>> comment much. But respect you all. Just wanted to share that on last nights
>> episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one of the main character Hooked on
>> H and going thru bad wds so someone suggested Ibogaine and they gave it to
>> him. At least Hollywood acknowledges it. Hooray. Peace
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 14:45:53 -0500
From: Nyc Labret? <digitalcomponents at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland
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Yours is a more common AA/NA story than you may realize.

This is anecdotal but when I was in those rooms in the late 80s early/mid
90s anecdotal lore was that the highest suicide rate was among those with
+20 years of sobriety.


On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com> wrote:

> Wow Eddie, You have a lot going on. When I was on Subutex my depression
> got really bad the 2nd year. I hope you continue to post on here, and I
> will keep you in my thoughts.
> Lotsof Love, Val
> On Nov 30, 2013 7:24 AM, "Eddie Caceres" <ebrvwarr at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey Serg
>>? Long story I'll try keep it short. Was an H addict for some time used
>> everything under the sun coke, ups, crack, acid, got clean in 1990 ( rehab)
>> after trying countless detoxes and col turkey. Stood clean and sober thru
>> 12 step programs for 21 yrs. Had an injury in my job that required shoulder
>> surgery. Didn't really abuse the meds vics,Percocet. But the monster was
>> released. And I'm hooked tried the done for a while 2mons 30mgs couldn't
>> deal with that shit. So I tried this wonder drug subutex so I thought been
>> on it since about 6months 2-3mg a day even though my doctor wanted me on
>> 8-16 a day. Can't tell you the world of depression I'm in. But I've been
>> researching ibo spoke to Buddy, Sister and the guy that was on the Hbo
>> program for ibo (vice). EKG was good but my liver is in bad shape (hepc +)
>> can't really afford to go to a clinic but most of all I can't even break
>> the news to my family. I've been hiding my addiction. But we all know what
>> doesn't come out in the wash comes out in the rinse.lol. I truly respect
>> you all on this forum and know what I have to do but drugs and
>> procrastination is a mother -ucker. And no one in a 12 step program would
>> even understand Ibo so I don't mention it to them. I consider myself a
>> spiritual person and been relying on that a lot . Got a good job good
>> family but emotionally I'm falling apart. Especially after experiencing all
>> those years without using. This disease is brutal to say the least. Hope I
>> answered your question. Feel free to ask away I'm open to suggestion. P.S.
>> I've been working out a bit since my shoulder is still messed up. I've been
>> feeling better,my appetite is getting better and started talking my
>> vitamins again. I was big on that and had stopped. Or one more thing I'm
>> also a diabetic with an insulin pump. Love and respect Ed.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Nov 29, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Eddie,
>>
>> How do you relate to Ibo yourself?
>> If you don't mind sharing.
>>
>> Wish you well
>>
>> Sergey
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Eddie Caceres <ebrvwarr at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all. I'm Eddie been following this list for a while I just don't
>>> comment much. But respect you all. Just wanted to share that on last nights
>>> episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one of the main character Hooked on
>>> H and going thru bad wds so someone suggested Ibogaine and they gave it to
>>> him. At least Hollywood acknowledges it. Hooray. Peace
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 15:06:27 -0500
From: Jim Hadey3 <jimhadey3 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland
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Hi Eddie,

Yeah once you get hooked on opiates it does not take much to get it
rekindled.? Since you used to use H you know what the early symptoms of w/d
are and you will have cravings and have the urge; you could say your back
to square one but this time it will be a little different.? Most people no
matter how hard they try can not get off that wonderful Sub; they got to go
to SAOs (short acting opiates - perks, codiene, oxy and morphine) for 3
months they do an Ibo detox.? That is you take SAOs and try to get as low
as you can get, but no Sub or Methadone for they are too long lasting.? If
you try and skip the SAO step your setting yourself up for failure.? That
is just what I have heard for I never been on Sub and glad.

Best,

? - JIM



On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Nyc Labret? <digitalcomponents at gmail.com>wrote:

> Yours is a more common AA/NA story than you may realize.
>
> This is anecdotal but when I was in those rooms in the late 80s early/mid
> 90s anecdotal lore was that the highest suicide rate was among those with
> +20 years of sobriety.
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Wow Eddie, You have a lot going on. When I was on Subutex my depression
>> got really bad the 2nd year. I hope you continue to post on here, and I
>> will keep you in my thoughts.
>> Lotsof Love, Val
>> On Nov 30, 2013 7:24 AM, "Eddie Caceres" <ebrvwarr at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Serg
>>>? Long story I'll try keep it short. Was an H addict for some time used
>>> everything under the sun coke, ups, crack, acid, got clean in 1990 ( rehab)
>>> after trying countless detoxes and col turkey. Stood clean and sober thru
>>> 12 step programs for 21 yrs. Had an injury in my job that required shoulder
>>> surgery. Didn't really abuse the meds vics,Percocet. But the monster was
>>> released. And I'm hooked tried the done for a while 2mons 30mgs couldn't
>>> deal with that shit. So I tried this wonder drug subutex so I thought been
>>> on it since about 6months 2-3mg a day even though my doctor wanted me on
>>> 8-16 a day. Can't tell you the world of depression I'm in. But I've been
>>> researching ibo spoke to Buddy, Sister and the guy that was on the Hbo
>>> program for ibo (vice). EKG was good but my liver is in bad shape (hepc +)
>>> can't really afford to go to a clinic but most of all I can't even break
>>> the news to my family. I've been hiding my addiction. But we all know what
>>> doesn't come out in the wash comes out in the rinse.lol. I truly respect
>>> you all on this forum and know what I have to do but drugs and
>>> procrastination is a mother -ucker. And no one in a 12 step program would
>>> even understand Ibo so I don't mention it to them. I consider myself a
>>> spiritual person and been relying on that a lot . Got a good job good
>>> family but emotionally I'm falling apart. Especially after experiencing all
>>> those years without using. This disease is brutal to say the least. Hope I
>>> answered your question. Feel free to ask away I'm open to suggestion. P.S.
>>> I've been working out a bit since my shoulder is still messed up. I've been
>>> feeling better,my appetite is getting better and started talking my
>>> vitamins again. I was big on that and had stopped. Or one more thing I'm
>>> also a diabetic with an insulin pump. Love and respect Ed.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Nov 29, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>? Hi Eddie,
>>>
>>> How do you relate to Ibo yourself?
>>> If you don't mind sharing.
>>>
>>> Wish you well
>>>
>>> Sergey
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Eddie Caceres <ebrvwarr at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all. I'm Eddie been following this list for a while I just don't
>>>> comment much. But respect you all. Just wanted to share that on last nights
>>>> episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one of the main character Hooked on
>>>> H and going thru bad wds so someone suggested Ibogaine and they gave it to
>>>> him. At least Hollywood acknowledges it. Hooray. Peace
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 15:15:46 -0500
From: Jim Hadey3 <jimhadey3 at gmail.com>
To: Ibogaine <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (no subject)
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Hi Serge,

Google? ?  reverse opiate tolerance? this is the first page.

(opioids) Is it possible to reverse opioid tolerance? - Bluelight
www.bluelight.ru/vb/.../637458-Is-it-possible-to-reverse-opioid-toleranc...?


Aug 15, 2012 - 25 posts - ?17 authors
I often hear people say the only thing that can reverse tolerance to
opioids is time without taking the drug, or that you can only slow the
...(opioids) Using naloxone to counter tolerance 14 posts May 11, 2012
DXM - The Opiate Addicts's Miracle Drug, PLEASE READ 25 posts Aug 18, 2010
NMDA antagonists for tolerance, a collection of the ... 25 posts May 5, 2010
Preventing/reducing opiate tolerance 25 posts Jul 10, 2007
More results from www.bluelight.ru

Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to opiate analgesics in ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7454382?

by Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related articles
Five patients on chronic opiate medication to treat low-back and leg pain
were determined to have developed opiate tolerance on the basis of their
failure to ...
Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing Receptor Sensitivity ...
www.drugs-forum.com ? ... ? DRUG-FORUMS ? Opiates & Opioids?


Oct 11, 2008 - 26 posts - ?1 author
Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing Receptor Sensitivity ... and can
prevent or even reverse the development of tolerance to opioid ...Tolerance
- Does tolerance never fully go away? 9 posts Sep 6, 2012
Combinations - Dandelion Root for Opiate Tolerance 2 posts Jan 11, 2011
Addiction - Resetting a Kratom tolerance 26 posts Apr 8, 2010
Effects - Possible reverse tolerance? 10 posts Jan 28, 2010
More results from www.drugs-forum.com

Reversing Opioid Tolerance - Chronic Pain - HealingWell.com Forum
www.healingwell.com ? ... ? Diseases & Conditions ? Chronic Pain?


May 23, 2010 - 8 posts - ?4 authors
I have been using opioid (tramadol, hydrocodone and oxycodone) for 6 years,
... Though there are drugs to permanently reverse tolerance for ...
Changing concepts of opioid tolerance
www.painresearch.utah.edu/cancerpain/ch20.html?


What these classical studies showed is that tolerance does develop to
opioid ..... are associated with dramatic reduction in pain and rapid
reversal of tolerance.
Opioids, Cannabinoids, and reverse tolerance - Social Anxiety Forum
www.socialanxietysupport.com ? ... ? Recovery ? Medication?


Nov 11, 2010 - 14 posts - ?8 authors
According to this research video, they found that THC can synergize with
Opioids and decrease and even reverse opioid tolerance. I got my ...
Does anything other than TIME lower tolerance? [Archive ...
forum.opiophile.org/archive/index.php/t-1447.html?


Feb 8, 2006 - 16 posts - ?11 authors
The drugs-Hydroxyzine(produces a rough "doubling" of opiate effects ...
effectiveness AND the prevention/reversal of tolerance through the use ...
[PDF]
Inhibition of opiate tolerance by non-competitive N ... - Deep Blue
deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/.../0000783.pdf?...1?


by KA Trujillo - ?1994 - ?Related articles
The NMDA antagonists were found to inhibit the development but not the
expression of opiate tolerance; i.e. they were able to prevent but not
reverse tolerance.
This can prevent or even reverse opiate tolerance. It's also an opiate ...
www.reddit.com/r/.../this_can_prevent_or_even_reverse_opiate_toleranc...?

Aug 4, 2009 - This can prevent or even reverse opiate tolerance. It's also
an opiate potentiator and is not a controlled substance in the U.S. but its
no longer ...
Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to opiate ... - ScienceDirect
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0304395980900044?

by Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related articles
Mar 27, 2003 - Five patients on chronic opiate medication to treat low-back
and leg pain were determined to have developed opiate tolerance on the
basis of ...
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:42:39 -0600
From: star ray <earthshealing at hotmail.com>
To: "ibogaine at mindvox.com" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] eddie
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Hey Eddie, I pretty much have the same story you do,? did some crazy drugs when young, got pregnant and straight for 25 years.. had three surgeries, right knee, left knee (made it through those with no pain pills and constant pain) Finally the rotator cuff shoulder surgery was the breaking point.? Had to take 1 vicoprophen to go through rehab, and then started taking some daily.? I never have taken a lot of anything but just enough to mess me up, been battling with that for seven years and i have hep c.......I have done ibogaine a few times and it always helped and also helped my liver and reduced my viral load and enzymes.? i am currently off a low dose of suboxone (.25 mg)? for about 16 days,? just plain tired....anyway good luck on your journey... are you still on subutex??? 

Val and junkboy.... what nice messages, you are the best

peace and love,? STAR

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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 20:32:35 -0500
From: Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland
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Hi Eddie,

I hear you.
20 years of sobriety is already saying a lot about you.
Every life story is unique, contrary to an opinion I saw above, and a
person's suffering cannot be measured in comparison to anothers.
That's my opinion.

Hep C and Diabetes are a big weight, I can only imagine.
So does that mean you cannot use Ibo?
There are compounds being isolated from Iboga, which are BELIEVED to be
responsible for WD interuption.
MC-18 is one of those.
There's some interesting info about the subject on
Ibogamind.com
Very resourceful website: stands out from the rest FOR ME.

I wish you well Eddie, we'll talk more.

Sergey

On Friday, 29 November 2013, Eddie Caceres wrote:

> Hey Serg
>? Long story I'll try keep it short. Was an H addict for some time used
> everything under the sun coke, ups, crack, acid, got clean in 1990 ( rehab)
> after trying countless detoxes and col turkey. Stood clean and sober thru
> 12 step programs for 21 yrs. Had an injury in my job that required shoulder
> surgery. Didn't really abuse the meds vics,Percocet. But the monster was
> released. And I'm hooked tried the done for a while 2mons 30mgs couldn't
> deal with that shit. So I tried this wonder drug subutex so I thought been
> on it since about 6months 2-3mg a day even though my doctor wanted me on
> 8-16 a day. Can't tell you the world of depression I'm in. But I've been
> researching ibo spoke to Buddy, Sister and the guy that was on the Hbo
> program for ibo (vice). EKG was good but my liver is in bad shape (hepc +)
> can't really afford to go to a clinic but most of all I can't even break
> the news to my family. I've been hiding my addiction. But we all know what
> doesn't come out in the wash comes out in the rinse.lol. I truly respect
> you all on this forum and know what I have to do but drugs and
> procrastination is a mother -ucker. And no one in a 12 step program would
> even understand Ibo so I don't mention it to them. I consider myself a
> spiritual person and been relying on that a lot . Got a good job good
> family but emotionally I'm falling apart. Especially after experiencing all
> those years without using. This disease is brutal to say the least. Hope I
> answered your question. Feel free to ask away I'm open to suggestion. P.S.
> I've been working out a bit since my shoulder is still messed up. I've been
> feeling better,my appetite is getting better and started talking my
> vitamins again. I was big on that and had stopped. Or one more thing I'm
> also a diabetic with an insulin pump. Love and respect Ed.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 29, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'sibirianfox at gmail.com');>>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Eddie,
>
> How do you relate to Ibo yourself?
> If you don't mind sharing.
>
> Wish you well
>
> Sergey
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Eddie Caceres <ebrvwarr at aol.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'ebrvwarr at aol.com');>
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all. I'm Eddie been following this list for a while I just don't
>> comment much. But respect you all. Just wanted to share that on last nights
>> episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one of the main character Hooked on
>> H and going thru bad wds so someone suggested Ibogaine and they gave it to
>> him. At least Hollywood acknowledges it. Hooray. Peace
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 20:40:10 -0500
From: Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] wanna say goodbye, wanna wish you all nice
??? xmas, happy new year and everything!
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Mi go,

Mi go, mein freund!
Ich wunsche dir ein freuliche Weinachten und viel Spass!

Enjoy yourself and the new year.

Sergey

On Saturday, 30 November 2013, Mi Go wrote:

> hey good people from the forum,
>
> first of all i really appreciate to be member of that forum, first time i
> found a forum or people with a lot of knowledge about that plant and
> medicine where im much interested in, its really hard often to get any
> usefull information!
>
> i wanna say thx for all the replies and infos i got til now and wish you
> all a happy xmas etc. etc. i dont know if i have any inet connection there
> where i go, i have a doubt on that hehe, anyway i will log in, as often its
> possible,
>
> stand strong and take care everybody, have fun and keep up the good work,
> maybe you can sent me over some positive vibes every often, i will do the
> same!!
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:51:53 -0800 (PST)
From: danielle yates <danielle6175 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "ibogaine at mindvox.com" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Star, Val? and all
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Hello...
Star and Val thanks for the kind words, I've considered Kratom. ?Right now it's a white knuckle ride with nothing...other than a face plant before Thanksgiving. ?I'm under no illusions about how temporary my current state of "clean" will be if I don't implement real, tangible intervention. ?All I know is I'm taking bb steps...(as advised on this very forum).

Also to those that shared your Thanksgiving thoughts I think you're incredibly inspirational and I'm so, so, so very glad that I don't have to be alone when facing major obstacles that seem overwhelming. ?If it weren't for you Trail Blazers I don't think I would even attempt such a harrowing journey. ?
@ Eddie, Hello and nice to meet you.



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?? 4. Re: Iboganights (Sergey Sibirian)
?? 5. Re: Homeland (Valarie)
?? 6. Anyone remember??? (Sergey Sibirian)
?? 7. Re: Homeland (Sergey Sibirian)
?? 8. Re: Homeland (Nyc Labret?)
?? 9. Iboga Vissions (Valarie)
? 10. Re: Iboga Vissions (leomroz24)
? 11. Re: Homeland (Eddie Caceres)
? 12. wanna say goodbye, wanna wish you all nice xmas,??? happy new
? ? ? year and everything! (Mi Go)
? 13. Re: Iboga Vissions (Sergey Sibirian)
? 14. Re: IBOGA SEEDS (Chris Jenks)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 11:43:53 -0700
From: junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboganights
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jeffg,
im glad you posted being grateful. it helped me to remember how grateful i
am to not have that damned monkey on my back anymore. this list has helped
me a ton. thanks for everyone who has reached out and helped me on my
journey from being a drug addicted crazy person to a clean crazy person.
ibogaine is definitely a tool that has helped change my life. it actually
did not FIX me.. it just helped me along on my journey.
?? ive learned that i have to do the work to help myself, to find something
that fills that emptiness that is inside me that wants to be filled with
drugs, self destructive behavior, and chaos. im working to overcome myself.
its not an easy process, but so far has been totally worth it.
i like quick fixes. well, im learning that there there are no quick fixes.
quoting from NA its one day at a time.
plugging away at my issues, trying to let go of beliefs that are not
working, and letting other people into my heart seems to be working for me.
other than a stint earler this year involving the emergency room, morphine
and a take home script of perc's, its been good.
i want to say thank you to everyone on this list, everyone who has emailed
me privately and chatted with me, my wife who can somehow put up with me,
my NA group, and others who have helped take this broken, sad, depressed
and desperate shell of a human being, and helped me to grow into a person
who is healing and becoming whole again.
there is hope.
all it takes is a little work every day.
some support
some love.
some taking,
some giving
some compromise,
some pain,
some compassion
some random acts of kindness
and a letting go of hate, self loathing, pride, and thinking you are the
cock of the walk.
your not.. just human like all the rest of us..
love you guys and gals..
junkboy


On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Jeff G <jeffgallop at gmail.com> wrote:

> Saw this inside mindvox, thought it might be something the list here would
> like to see.
> Sergey??
>
> http://iboganights.co.uk/
>
> And happy thanksgiving to all of you, I'm grateful for you, this list, and
> for being unsprung from my methadone habit....and for finally seeing that
> all the 'reasons' I had to be high were basically full of shit.
> Sometimes I wish I didn't, but mostly I'm really glad.
> Peace
> JeffG
>
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 15:12:13 -0800
From: Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboganights
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Yes, Thank you too all who have helped me get clean and stay clean.
Ibogaine was a big part in my recovery.
I have gone cold turkey plenty of times but once I had been on Methadone
maintenance then Sub maintenance then methadone again then Sub again all of
these maintenance for 12 years left me to afraid to detox.
If it were not for Ibogaine I would have never got off that merry go round.
In order for me to stay clean I am going to an outpatient program from
10-1pm then I go to a place called the Wellness Center from 1-5pm and it
gets dark so early now because of daylights savings it's already dark by
5pm,
I go home have dinner then go to bed, so my day is now full. Before I could
not stop thinking about getting high, Now I am keeping myself busy. You all
kept telling me but I was being lazy .
Thank you to everyone on this list. I could not have gotten sober without
you.
Now I get to go on here to keep my recovery going with all your help and
help others by sharing my experience. You can get off Methadone! You can
get off Sub!
You don't need to go back to heroin and end up dying to do ibogaine you can
use kratom for that short time. Then depending on how your provider feels
detox from that or they might put you on a SAO for a couple days. Then
Ibogaine!!!!!
Don't let the 3 months scare you.
Love you all.
Lotsof Love, Val
On Nov 29, 2013 11:28 AM, "junkboy" <junkboy64 at gmail.com> wrote:

> jeffg,
> im glad you posted being grateful. it helped me to remember how grateful i
> am to not have that damned monkey on my back anymore. this list has helped
> me a ton. thanks for everyone who has reached out and helped me on my
> journey from being a drug addicted crazy person to a clean crazy person.
> ibogaine is definitely a tool that has helped change my life. it actually
> did not FIX me.. it just helped me along on my journey.
>? ? ive learned that i have to do the work to help myself, to find
> something that fills that emptiness that is inside me that wants to be
> filled with drugs, self destructive behavior, and chaos. im working to
> overcome myself. its not an easy process, but so far has been totally worth
> it.
> i like quick fixes. well, im learning that there there are no quick fixes.
> quoting from NA its one day at a time.
> plugging away at my issues, trying to let go of beliefs that are not
> working, and letting other people into my heart seems to be working for me.
> other than a stint earler this year involving the emergency room, morphine
> and a take home script of perc's, its been good.
> i want to say thank you to everyone on this list, everyone who has emailed
> me privately and chatted with me, my wife who can somehow put up with me,
> my NA group, and others who have helped take this broken, sad, depressed
> and desperate shell of a human being, and helped me to grow into a person
> who is healing and becoming whole again.
> there is hope.
> all it takes is a little work every day.
> some support
> some love.
> some taking,
> some giving
> some compromise,
> some pain,
> some compassion
> some random acts of kindness
> and a letting go of hate, self loathing, pride, and thinking you are the
> cock of the walk.
> your not.. just human like all the rest of us..
> love you guys and gals..
> junkboy
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Jeff G <jeffgallop at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Saw this inside mindvox, thought it might be something the list here
>> would like to see.
>> Sergey??
>>
>> http://iboganights.co.uk/
>>
>> And happy thanksgiving to all of you, I'm grateful for you, this list,
>> and for being unsprung from my methadone habit....and for finally seeing
>> that all the 'reasons' I had to be high were basically full of shit.
>> Sometimes I wish I didn't, but mostly I'm really glad.
>> Peace
>> JeffG
>>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 15:24:05 -0800
From: Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Danielle
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Daniel, I don't know if you have looked into this but it is safer then
going on pills that will be abused and not to mention expensive, or go to
heroin.
Kratomassociation.org
I know of a few people personally who are staying off Methadone this way,
and I personally used it to help me get off Subutex, untill I had a
seizure.? If you have a history of seizures high doses of Kratom can make
you easily seizure susceptible.
Lotsof Love, Val
On Nov 28, 2013 5:33 PM, "star ray" <earthshealing at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Wow Danielle, thanks for sharing your story....you have been through
> alot... now personally i am not sure how long you have to be off methadone
> to have a successful ibogaine treatment but i am sure someone on this list
> knows... I think ibogaine is definitely a good idea for you... whatever you
> do, if ibogaine is your plan, do not go back on methadone or suboxone!!!!
>
> Happy Thanksgiving, gotta go , my son and i are bonding over a movie
>
> LOVE and hang in there,? STAR
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 21:06:46 -0500
From: Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboganights
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Jeff,

Very interesting!
I understand it's the guy's website,-David Graham Scott,- the one who made
the movie "Detox or Die"

There's one thing I find funny.
At the "home" page, if you let the pics slide by, the last pic to appear,
it's a guy, Iain.
But he looks like he just OD'd on smack and has foam and like clouded eyes!
?
:D

I really respect that David Graham Scott character.
He's a smart fella, and he really put his Ibo EXP to everyones benefit.

Wish you well

Sergey



On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Jeff G <jeffgallop at gmail.com> wrote:

> Saw this inside mindvox, thought it might be something the list here would
> like to see.
> Sergey??
>
> http://iboganights.co.uk/
>
> And happy thanksgiving to all of you, I'm grateful for you, this list, and
> for being unsprung from my methadone habit....and for finally seeing that
> all the 'reasons' I had to be high were basically full of shit.
> Sometimes I wish I didn't, but mostly I'm really glad.
> Peace
> JeffG
>
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 18:29:37 -0800
From: Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland
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Hi Eddie: )
On Nov 25, 2013 10:59 AM, "Eddie Caceres" <ebrvwarr at aol.com> wrote:

>
> Hi all. I'm Eddie been following this list for a while I just don't
> comment much. But respect you all. Just wanted to share that on last nights
> episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one of the main character Hooked on
> H and going thru bad wds so someone suggested Ibogaine and they gave it to
> him. At least Hollywood acknowledges it. Hooray. Peace
> Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 21:38:03 -0500
From: Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Anyone remember???
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Hi crowd,

A few weeks ago I was researching all kinds
of molecules THAT REVERSE TOLERANCE.

Proglumide is a top example,
but there were much more.

All kinds of compounds that have different medical uses, usually
not at all associated with substance abuse?

CAN ANYONE REMEMBER THE NAMES?
I would really appreciate since I lost track and can't find any?

Thanks!

Sergey
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 22:36:35 -0500
From: Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland
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Hi Eddie,

How do you relate to Ibo yourself?
If you don't mind sharing.

Wish you well

Sergey


On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Eddie Caceres <ebrvwarr at aol.com> wrote:

>
> Hi all. I'm Eddie been following this list for a while I just don't
> comment much. But respect you all. Just wanted to share that on last nights
> episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one of the main character Hooked on
> H and going thru bad wds so someone suggested Ibogaine and they gave it to
> him. At least Hollywood acknowledges it. Hooray. Peace
> Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 22:46:19 -0500
From: Nyc Labret? <digitalcomponents at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland
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I edited out all the sideplots and posted the entire sequence here,
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rvyytmfum5pkl99/BrodyTreatedWithIbogaineOnHL.movfeel
free to pass along the link or download it.


On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Eddie Caceres <ebrvwarr at aol.com> wrote:

>
> Hi all. I'm Eddie been following this list for a while I just don't
> comment much. But respect you all. Just wanted to share that on last nights
> episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one of the main character Hooked on
> H and going thru bad wds so someone suggested Ibogaine and they gave it to
> him. At least Hollywood acknowledges it. Hooray. Peace
> Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 23:48:22 -0800
From: Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga Vissions
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As most of you know I did not get very many visions during my ibogaine
treatment which was a disappointment to me.
Since I did Ibogaine I have cut my Colonzapam intake in half from 6mgs to 3
mgs.
Before treatment and tapering to Colonzapam? I had been on 6-14mgs of xanex
a day for over 10years
I am sure this is why bidding get very many visions.
I plan to be off the colonzapam completely in about 3 months and want to do
another treatment
Should I get the TA or HCL again?
My boyfriend will probably watch me since my favorite person in the world
who treated me lives in a different state.
I heard the TA is more for visions,? and HCL is more for the addiction is
this true?
Thanks for your continued help.
Lotsof Love,? Val
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 05:00:30 -0600
From: leomroz24 <leomroz24 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga Vissions
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So it did help you with the Benzo dt's? I have heard from some people that
it does not take away the withdrawals from benzo and also I have heard many
people getting rid of there addiction since it took them to the root of why
they had anxiety to begin with. I have been on benzo's for 7 years or so
and have cut my dose down to about 1mg per day, sometimes less but I just
cant seem to kick these damn things.


On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com> wrote:

> As most of you know I did not get very many visions during my ibogaine
> treatment which was a disappointment to me.
> Since I did Ibogaine I have cut my Colonzapam intake in half from 6mgs to
> 3 mgs.
> Before treatment and tapering to Colonzapam? I had been on 6-14mgs of
> xanex a day for over 10years
> I am sure this is why bidding get very many visions.
> I plan to be off the colonzapam completely in about 3 months and want to
> do another treatment
> Should I get the TA or HCL again?
> My boyfriend will probably watch me since my favorite person in the world
> who treated me lives in a different state.
> I heard the TA is more for visions,? and HCL is more for the addiction is
> this true?
> Thanks for your continued help.
> Lotsof Love,? Val
>
>
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Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 23:30:26 -0500
From: Eddie Caceres <ebrvwarr at aol.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland
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Hey Serg
Long story I'll try keep it short. Was an H addict for some time used everything under the sun coke, ups, crack, acid, got clean in 1990 ( rehab) after trying countless detoxes and col turkey. Stood clean and sober thru 12 step programs for 21 yrs. Had an injury in my job that required shoulder surgery. Didn't really abuse the meds vics,Percocet. But the monster was released. And I'm hooked tried the done for a while 2mons 30mgs couldn't deal with that shit. So I tried this wonder drug subutex so I thought been on it since about 6months 2-3mg a day even though my doctor wanted me on 8-16 a day. Can't tell you the world of depression I'm in. But I've been researching ibo spoke to Buddy, Sister and the guy that was on the Hbo program for ibo (vice). EKG was good but my liver is in bad shape (hepc +) can't really afford to go to a clinic but most of all I can't even break the news to my family. I've been hiding my addiction. But we all know what doesn't
come out in the wash comes out i
n the rinse.lol. I truly respect you all on this forum and know what I have to do but drugs and procrastination is a mother -ucker. And no one in a 12 step program would even understand Ibo so I don't mention it to them. I consider myself a spiritual person and been relying on that a lot . Got a good job good family but emotionally I'm falling apart. Especially after experiencing all those years without using. This disease is brutal to say the least. Hope I answered your question. Feel free to ask away I'm open to suggestion. P.S. I've been working out a bit since my shoulder is still messed up. I've been feeling better,my appetite is getting better and started talking my vitamins again. I was big on that and had stopped. Or one more thing I'm also a diabetic with an insulin pump. Love and respect Ed.

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> On Nov 29, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Eddie,
> 
> How do you relate to Ibo yourself?
> If you don't mind sharing.
> 
> Wish you well
> 
> Sergey
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Eddie Caceres <ebrvwarr at aol.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all. I'm Eddie been following this list for a while I just don't comment much. But respect you all. Just wanted to share that on last nights episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one of the main character Hooked on H and going thru bad wds so someone suggested Ibogaine and they gave it to him. At least Hollywood acknowledges it. Hooray. Peace
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 13:15:42 +0100
From: Mi Go <migoletto75 at gmail.com>
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Subject: [Ibogaine] wanna say goodbye, wanna wish you all nice xmas,
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hey good people from the forum,

first of all i really appreciate to be member of that forum, first time i
found a forum or people with a lot of knowledge about that plant and
medicine where im much interested in, its really hard often to get any
usefull information!

i wanna say thx for all the replies and infos i got til now and wish you
all a happy xmas etc. etc. i dont know if i have any inet connection there
where i go, i have a doubt on that hehe, anyway i will log in, as often its
possible,

stand strong and take care everybody, have fun and keep up the good work,
maybe you can sent me over some positive vibes every often, i will do the
same!!
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:26:43 -0500
From: Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga Vissions
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Val, Leo

Benzos addiction is by far the worst IN TERMS OF PHYSICAL DEPENDANCY.
I'm not talking ADDICTION AS A WHOLE.
>From what I read and researched, Ibo does NOT reset benzo addiction.
And it makes sense, to me at least.
If opioids fuck with the endorphine system in our brain, the benzos fuck
with
Our brains much more basic system: homeostasys and GABBA.
Homeostatys is basically a state of balance the brain has to maintain at
any price between the "up" and "down" states.
Between stimulation/action and depression/deactivation.
And this is exactly what delirium tremens is:
The brain has been long "down" stimulated by alcohol, which also acts on
GABBA receptors.
So when a person abruptly stops drinking, the "up" part of brain is active,
while the "down" waits for alcohol to do its job.
The result is a loss of balance in favor of the "up", and delirium tremens
sets in.
Convulsions, hallucinations, and ultimately possible coma or death...

With heroin/opioids, no matter the severity of WD, there's no danger of
death.
With GABBA agonists, such as benzos and alcohol, there is.
All that to point out that benzo addiction is very serious and in my humble
opinion, should NEVER be interrupted
But rather tapered down.
But then again, I'm no expert on benzo addiction, although I've personally
witnessed two persons being brought to the hospital
In state of coma due to alcohol WD.
That pretty much shocked me so I did some research and NEVER touch benzos.

Wish you well

Sergey


On Saturday, 30 November 2013, leomroz24 wrote:

> So it did help you with the Benzo dt's? I have heard from some people that
> it does not take away the withdrawals from benzo and also I have heard many
> people getting rid of there addiction since it took them to the root of why
> they had anxiety to begin with. I have been on benzo's for 7 years or so
> and have cut my dose down to about 1mg per day, sometimes less but I just
> cant seem to kick these damn things.
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'val.needis at gmail.com');>
> > wrote:
>
>> As most of you know I did not get very many visions during my ibogaine
>> treatment which was a disappointment to me.
>> Since I did Ibogaine I have cut my Colonzapam intake in half from 6mgs to
>> 3 mgs.
>> Before treatment and tapering to Colonzapam? I had been on 6-14mgs of
>> xanex a day for over 10years
>> I am sure this is why bidding get very many visions.
>> I plan to be off the colonzapam completely in about 3 months and want to
>> do another treatment
>> Should I get the TA or HCL again?
>> My boyfriend will probably watch me since my favorite person in the world
>> who treated me lives in a different state.
>> I heard the TA is more for visions,? and HCL is more for the addiction is
>> this true?
>> Thanks for your continued help.
>> Lotsof Love,? Val
>>
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 07:34:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Jenks <chris at jenks.us>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] IBOGA SEEDS
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?? Dear Friends,

?? I'm in the middle of purchasing iboga seeds from Emmanuel Lih. His price 
is typical, and one advantage is that his seeds come from cultivated 
plants so their harvest won't interfere with wild iboga propagation. These 
were paid for October 22nd but shipping to South Africa is very slow and I 
didn't suspect a problem until November 16th, when the package had to be 
resent because of a problem at the Cameroon post office. That problem made 
us even, since Emmanuel was hassled when picking up payment because 
Western Union charged me dollars when I clearly specified euros on the 
form.

?? From the start I intended to write a complete report of my seed 
purchasing experiences once my transactions are complete, but wanted to 
post what I have in response to this thread.

?? I don't recommend having the seeds come in the pods because iboga seems 
to stay viable even when dried and the pods are likely to spoil before 
arriving from Cameroon, or get unwanted attention from customs. The 
viability of fresh but separated seeds from CerberusExtract.com has been 
over 50%.

?? There is a lot of recent information about growing iboga on facebook if 
anyone is planning to study this seriously. If you want to start with the 
discussions on my page my facebook id is chris.jenks.129

?? Yours,

? ?? Chris

On Thu, 28 Nov 2013, Valarie wrote:

> YES!
> 
> On Nov 28, 2013 12:33 PM, "Sergey Sibirian" <sibirianfox at gmail.com> wrote:
>? ? ?? Emmanuel,
> seeds to plant...
> Of course!
> I mean, I would love to,?
> but I don't want to impose or intrude?
> I'm kind of new here.
> 
> Sergey
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:45 AM, M. Emmanuel Lih <kedjutimber at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>? ? ?? I have seeds harvested. Anybody needs to plant???
> 
> 
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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 00:47:21 -0500
From: Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (no subject)
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Jim!

I just put a bright star next to this particular thread.
SO i can easily spot itpo
Honestly though, what you did, the research you carried out is simply
priceless.
Or there is a price: HOURS OF MY TIME.

Plus, to be able to spot the right/mot relevant info is nothing short of
serious skill

Thanks agsin.

Sergey

So I'm early grateful.
I'll go through every link


On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Jim Hadey3 <jimhadey3 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Hi Serge,
>
> Google? ?  reverse opiate tolerance? this is the first page.
>
> (opioids) Is it possible to reverse opioid tolerance? - Bluelight
> www.bluelight.ru/vb/.../637458-Is-it-possible-to-reverse-opioid-toleranc...
> ?
>
>
> Aug 15, 2012 - 25 posts - ?17 authors
> I often hear people say the only thing that can reverse tolerance to
> opioids is time without taking the drug, or that you can only slow the
> ...(opioids) Using naloxone to counter tolerance 14 posts May 11, 2012
> DXM - The Opiate Addicts's Miracle Drug, PLEASE READ 25 posts Aug 18, 2010
> NMDA antagonists for tolerance, a collection of the ... 25 posts May 5,
> 2010
> Preventing/reducing opiate tolerance 25 posts Jul 10, 2007
> More results from www.bluelight.ru
>
> Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to opiate analgesics in ...
> www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7454382?
>
> by Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related articles
> Five patients on chronic opiate medication to treat low-back and leg pain
> were determined to have developed opiate tolerance on the basis of their
> failure to ...
> Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing Receptor Sensitivity ...
> www.drugs-forum.com ? ... ? DRUG-FORUMS ? Opiates & Opioids?
>
>
> Oct 11, 2008 - 26 posts - ?1 author
> Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing Receptor Sensitivity ... and
> can prevent or even reverse the development of tolerance to opioid
> ...Tolerance - Does tolerance never fully go away? 9 posts Sep 6, 2012
> Combinations - Dandelion Root for Opiate Tolerance 2 posts Jan 11, 2011
> Addiction - Resetting a Kratom tolerance 26 posts Apr 8, 2010
> Effects - Possible reverse tolerance? 10 posts Jan 28, 2010
> More results from www.drugs-forum.com
>
> Reversing Opioid Tolerance - Chronic Pain - HealingWell.com Forum
> www.healingwell.com ? ... ? Diseases & Conditions ? Chronic Pain?
>
>
> May 23, 2010 - 8 posts - ?4 authors
> I have been using opioid (tramadol, hydrocodone and oxycodone) for 6
> years, ... Though there are drugs to permanently reverse tolerance for ...
> Changing concepts of opioid tolerance
> www.painresearch.utah.edu/cancerpain/ch20.html?
>
>
> What these classical studies showed is that tolerance does develop to
> opioid ..... are associated with dramatic reduction in pain and rapid
> reversal of tolerance.
> Opioids, Cannabinoids, and reverse tolerance - Social Anxiety Forum
> www.socialanxietysupport.com ? ... ? Recovery ? Medication?
>
>
> Nov 11, 2010 - 14 posts - ?8 authors
> According to this research video, they found that THC can synergize with
> Opioids and decrease and even reverse opioid tolerance. I got my ...
> Does anything other than TIME lower tolerance? [Archive ...
> forum.opiophile.org/archive/index.php/t-1447.html?
>
>
> Feb 8, 2006 - 16 posts - ?11 authors
> The drugs-Hydroxyzine(produces a rough "doubling" of opiate effects ...
> effectiveness AND the prevention/reversal of tolerance through the use ...
> [PDF]
> Inhibition of opiate tolerance by non-competitive N ... - Deep Blue
> deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/.../0000783.pdf?...1?
>
>
> by KA Trujillo - ?1994 - ?Related articles
> The NMDA antagonists were found to inhibit the development but not the
> expression of opiate tolerance; i.e. they were able to prevent but not
> reverse tolerance.
> This can prevent or even reverse opiate tolerance. It's also an opiate ...
> www.reddit.com/r/.../this_can_prevent_or_even_reverse_opiate_toleranc...?
>
> Aug 4, 2009 - This can prevent or even reverse opiate tolerance. It's also
> an opiate potentiator and is not a controlled substance in the U.S. but its
> no longer ...
> Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to opiate ... - ScienceDirect
> www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0304395980900044?
>
> by Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related articles
> Mar 27, 2003 - Five patients on chronic opiate medication to treat
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> the basis of ...
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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 03:08:52 -0500
From: Randy Faulconer <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland
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? ? ? Hello Eddie, your story sounds a lot
like..........................well......................all of us. I went
through interferon for hep C, have had hep B twice, had major colon surgery
for God knows what reason (I once did a gig with a colostomy bag hanging
off of me and took a dump while playing the keyboard part to Material Girl)
and thanx to this list I am still here to tell the tale. We all hang
together and give each other all the love we can express over the internet.
You are most def in the right place. Don't give up on trying to find a way
to better yourself. I have never seen anybody with a liver so bad that they
were refused an Ibogaine treatment. Heart problems? Yea that will scare
providers away. But I have heard of people being yellow from liver problems
and still got healthy enough to do an Ibo treatment. Ask for help, take
milk thistle, talk to a liver expert, anything you can do to get yourself
in a position to be able to get the help you need.

? ?  What do your liver panels look like? I'm not saying that you should
ignore the blood work, just make sure that you get more then one opinion
about whether you can handle an Ibogaine treatment. There are some really
good clinics that have docs willing to work with problems like this.Check
around, you might be surprised at just what is available to you.

? ? ? ? I know, money is always the biggest problem, just stick around here
and get to know people. Things just might come around for you. Even if you
have to hang around here for ever, it could be worse, we even make each
other laugh from time to time so what do you have to lose?

? ? ? ? ? ? ?  Peace Love and The Underground
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  Randy
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? BiscuitBoy Blues


On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Eddie,
>
> I hear you.
> 20 years of sobriety is already saying a lot about you.
> Every life story is unique, contrary to an opinion I saw above, and a
> person's suffering cannot be measured in comparison to anothers.
> That's my opinion.
>
> Hep C and Diabetes are a big weight, I can only imagine.
> So does that mean you cannot use Ibo?
> There are compounds being isolated from Iboga, which are BELIEVED to be
> responsible for WD interuption.
> MC-18 is one of those.
> There's some interesting info about the subject on
> Ibogamind.com
> Very resourceful website: stands out from the rest FOR ME.
>
> I wish you well Eddie, we'll talk more.
>
> Sergey
>
> On Friday, 29 November 2013, Eddie Caceres wrote:
>
>> Hey Serg
>>? Long story I'll try keep it short. Was an H addict for some time used
>> everything under the sun coke, ups, crack, acid, got clean in 1990 ( rehab)
>> after trying countless detoxes and col turkey. Stood clean and sober thru
>> 12 step programs for 21 yrs. Had an injury in my job that required shoulder
>> surgery. Didn't really abuse the meds vics,Percocet. But the monster was
>> released. And I'm hooked tried the done for a while 2mons 30mgs couldn't
>> deal with that shit. So I tried this wonder drug subutex so I thought been
>> on it since about 6months 2-3mg a day even though my doctor wanted me on
>> 8-16 a day. Can't tell you the world of depression I'm in. But I've been
>> researching ibo spoke to Buddy, Sister and the guy that was on the Hbo
>> program for ibo (vice). EKG was good but my liver is in bad shape (hepc +)
>> can't really afford to go to a clinic but most of all I can't even break
>> the news to my family. I've been hiding my addiction. But we all know what
>> doesn't come out in the wash comes out in the rinse.lol. I truly respect
>> you all on this forum and know what I have to do but drugs and
>> procrastination is a mother -ucker. And no one in a 12 step program would
>> even understand Ibo so I don't mention it to them. I consider myself a
>> spiritual person and been relying on that a lot . Got a good job good
>> family but emotionally I'm falling apart. Especially after experiencing all
>> those years without using. This disease is brutal to say the least. Hope I
>> answered your question. Feel free to ask away I'm open to suggestion. P.S.
>> I've been working out a bit since my shoulder is still messed up. I've been
>> feeling better,my appetite is getting better and started talking my
>> vitamins again. I was big on that and had stopped. Or one more thing I'm
>> also a diabetic with an insulin pump. Love and respect Ed.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Nov 29, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Eddie,
>>
>> How do you relate to Ibo yourself?
>> If you don't mind sharing.
>>
>> Wish you well
>>
>> Sergey
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Eddie Caceres <ebrvwarr at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all. I'm Eddie been following this list for a while I just don't
>>> comment much. But respect you all. Just wanted to share that on last nights
>>> episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one of the main character Hooked on
>>> H and going thru bad wds so someone suggested Ibogaine and they gave it to
>>> him. At least Hollywood acknowledges it. Hooray. Peace
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 03:11:12 -0500
From: Randy Faulconer <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (no subject)
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Jim is the man

Randy


On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 12:47 AM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>wrote:

> Jim!
>
> I just put a bright star next to this particular thread.
> SO i can easily spot itpo
> Honestly though, what you did, the research you carried out is simply
> priceless.
> Or there is a price: HOURS OF MY TIME.
>
> Plus, to be able to spot the right/mot relevant info is nothing short of
> serious skill
>
> Thanks agsin.
>
> Sergey
>
> So I'm early grateful.
> I'll go through every link
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Jim Hadey3 <jimhadey3 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Serge,
>>
>> Google? ?  reverse opiate tolerance? this is the first page.
>>
>> (opioids) Is it possible to reverse opioid tolerance? - Bluelight
>>
>> www.bluelight.ru/vb/.../637458-Is-it-possible-to-reverse-opioid-toleranc...
>> ?
>>
>>
>> Aug 15, 2012 - 25 posts - ?17 authors
>> I often hear people say the only thing that can reverse tolerance to
>> opioids is time without taking the drug, or that you can only slow the
>> ...(opioids) Using naloxone to counter tolerance 14 posts May 11, 2012
>> DXM - The Opiate Addicts's Miracle Drug, PLEASE READ 25 posts Aug 18, 2010
>> NMDA antagonists for tolerance, a collection of the ... 25 posts May 5,
>> 2010
>> Preventing/reducing opiate tolerance 25 posts Jul 10, 2007
>> More results from www.bluelight.ru
>>
>> Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to opiate analgesics in ...
>> www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7454382?
>>
>> by Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related articles
>> Five patients on chronic opiate medication to treat low-back and leg pain
>> were determined to have developed opiate tolerance on the basis of their
>> failure to ...
>> Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing Receptor Sensitivity ...
>> www.drugs-forum.com ? ... ? DRUG-FORUMS ? Opiates & Opioids?
>>
>>
>> Oct 11, 2008 - 26 posts - ?1 author
>> Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing Receptor Sensitivity ... and
>> can prevent or even reverse the development of tolerance to opioid
>> ...Tolerance - Does tolerance never fully go away? 9 posts Sep 6, 2012
>> Combinations - Dandelion Root for Opiate Tolerance 2 posts Jan 11, 2011
>> Addiction - Resetting a Kratom tolerance 26 posts Apr 8, 2010
>> Effects - Possible reverse tolerance? 10 posts Jan 28, 2010
>> More results from www.drugs-forum.com
>>
>> Reversing Opioid Tolerance - Chronic Pain - HealingWell.com Forum
>> www.healingwell.com ? ... ? Diseases & Conditions ? Chronic Pain?
>>
>>
>> May 23, 2010 - 8 posts - ?4 authors
>> I have been using opioid (tramadol, hydrocodone and oxycodone) for 6
>> years, ... Though there are drugs to permanently reverse tolerance for ...
>> Changing concepts of opioid tolerance
>> www.painresearch.utah.edu/cancerpain/ch20.html?
>>
>>
>> What these classical studies showed is that tolerance does develop to
>> opioid ..... are associated with dramatic reduction in pain and rapid
>> reversal of tolerance.
>> Opioids, Cannabinoids, and reverse tolerance - Social Anxiety Forum
>> www.socialanxietysupport.com ? ... ? Recovery ? Medication?
>>
>>
>> Nov 11, 2010 - 14 posts - ?8 authors
>> According to this research video, they found that THC can synergize with
>> Opioids and decrease and even reverse opioid tolerance. I got my ...
>> Does anything other than TIME lower tolerance? [Archive ...
>> forum.opiophile.org/archive/index.php/t-1447.html?
>>
>>
>> Feb 8, 2006 - 16 posts - ?11 authors
>> The drugs-Hydroxyzine(produces a rough "doubling" of opiate effects ...
>> effectiveness AND the prevention/reversal of tolerance through the use ...
>> [PDF]
>> Inhibition of opiate tolerance by non-competitive N ... - Deep Blue
>> deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/.../0000783.pdf?...1?
>>
>>
>> by KA Trujillo - ?1994 - ?Related articles
>> The NMDA antagonists were found to inhibit the development but not the
>> expression of opiate tolerance; i.e. they were able to prevent but not
>> reverse tolerance.
>> This can prevent or even reverse opiate tolerance. It's also an opiate ...
>> www.reddit.com/r/.../this_can_prevent_or_even_reverse_opiate_toleranc...?
>>
>> Aug 4, 2009 - This can prevent or even reverse opiate tolerance. It's
>> also an opiate potentiator and is not a controlled substance in the U.S.
>> but its no longer ...
>> Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to opiate ... - ScienceDirect
>> www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0304395980900044?
>>
>> by Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related articles
>> Mar 27, 2003 - Five patients on chronic opiate medication to treat
>> low-back and leg pain were determined to have developed opiate tolerance on
>> the basis of ...
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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 03:19:54 -0500
From: Jim Hadey3 <jimhadey3 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (no subject)
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I saw that film you posted a link to and it was pretty good.? It was not
bad when you take it but when you come out of it maybe 20 hours later you
may feel rough or you may have the Ibo glow.? 24 or so hours after you take
you don't feel that great but not that bad considering you have just been
through a detox.? I put it like this you will go from the worst flu in the
world to a bad cold.? When ya got a cold ya just gotta hack it.

As far as being scared it is not a scared feeling like spiders and snakes.
I seen something I wanted to change and I asked that it be changed and it
asked what to and I said whatever you think I need and the vision changed.
I am surprised the guy had a ECG done also he went from met to Ibo which
can be pretty rough and sometimes dangerous.? I believed he said something
about the QT syndrome can't say for sure.

Hey Sis? do you have any idea if a person has Prolonger QT Syndrome how
long should you wait before taking to the hospital and how would a person
know - just curious.? That was a nice video Serge posted a link to, short
and pretty informative.? It did seem to imply that after a couple of days
he was alright.? For me the effects lasted a good week or two.? I am not
saying I was buzzing around but knew it would be better to stay in the
house and not drive.? It also affected my eating habits as cutting down 95%
on sugar like ice cream and cola mainly.

Best,

? - JIM



On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 12:47 AM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>wrote:

> Jim!
>
> I just put a bright star next to this particular thread.
> SO i can easily spot itpo
> Honestly though, what you did, the research you carried out is simply
> priceless.
> Or there is a price: HOURS OF MY TIME.
>
> Plus, to be able to spot the right/mot relevant info is nothing short of
> serious skill
>
> Thanks agsin.
>
> Sergey
>
> So I'm early grateful.
> I'll go through every link
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Jim Hadey3 <jimhadey3 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Serge,
>>
>> Google? ?  reverse opiate tolerance? this is the first page.
>>
>> (opioids) Is it possible to reverse opioid tolerance? - Bluelight
>>
>> www.bluelight.ru/vb/.../637458-Is-it-possible-to-reverse-opioid-toleranc...
>> ?
>>
>>
>> Aug 15, 2012 - 25 posts - ?17 authors
>> I often hear people say the only thing that can reverse tolerance to
>> opioids is time without taking the drug, or that you can only slow the
>> ...(opioids) Using naloxone to counter tolerance 14 posts May 11, 2012
>> DXM - The Opiate Addicts's Miracle Drug, PLEASE READ 25 posts Aug 18, 2010
>> NMDA antagonists for tolerance, a collection of the ... 25 posts May 5,
>> 2010
>> Preventing/reducing opiate tolerance 25 posts Jul 10, 2007
>> More results from www.bluelight.ru
>>
>> Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to opiate analgesics in ...
>> www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7454382?
>>
>> by Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related articles
>> Five patients on chronic opiate medication to treat low-back and leg pain
>> were determined to have developed opiate tolerance on the basis of their
>> failure to ...
>> Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing Receptor Sensitivity ...
>> www.drugs-forum.com ? ... ? DRUG-FORUMS ? Opiates & Opioids?
>>
>>
>> Oct 11, 2008 - 26 posts - ?1 author
>> Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing Receptor Sensitivity ... and
>> can prevent or even reverse the development of tolerance to opioid
>> ...Tolerance - Does tolerance never fully go away? 9 posts Sep 6, 2012
>> Combinations - Dandelion Root for Opiate Tolerance 2 posts Jan 11, 2011
>> Addiction - Resetting a Kratom tolerance 26 posts Apr 8, 2010
>> Effects - Possible reverse tolerance? 10 posts Jan 28, 2010
>> More results from www.drugs-forum.com
>>
>> Reversing Opioid Tolerance - Chronic Pain - HealingWell.com Forum
>> www.healingwell.com ? ... ? Diseases & Conditions ? Chronic Pain?
>>
>>
>> May 23, 2010 - 8 posts - ?4 authors
>> I have been using opioid (tramadol, hydrocodone and oxycodone) for 6
>> years, ... Though there are drugs to permanently reverse tolerance for ...
>> Changing concepts of opioid tolerance
>> www.painresearch.utah.edu/cancerpain/ch20.html?
>>
>>
>> What these classical studies showed is that tolerance does develop to
>> opioid ..... are associated with dramatic reduction in pain and rapid
>> reversal of tolerance.
>> Opioids, Cannabinoids, and reverse tolerance - Social Anxiety Forum
>> www.socialanxietysupport.com ? ... ? Recovery ? Medication?
>>
>>
>> Nov 11, 2010 - 14 posts - ?8 authors
>> According to this research video, they found that THC can synergize with
>> Opioids and decrease and even reverse opioid tolerance. I got my ...
>> Does anything other than TIME lower tolerance? [Archive ...
>> forum.opiophile.org/archive/index.php/t-1447.html?
>>
>>
>> Feb 8, 2006 - 16 posts - ?11 authors
>> The drugs-Hydroxyzine(produces a rough "doubling" of opiate effects ...
>> effectiveness AND the prevention/reversal of tolerance through the use ...
>> [PDF]
>> Inhibition of opiate tolerance by non-competitive N ... - Deep Blue
>> deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/.../0000783.pdf?...1?
>>
>>
>> by KA Trujillo - ?1994 - ?Related articles
>> The NMDA antagonists were found to inhibit the development but not the
>> expression of opiate tolerance; i.e. they were able to prevent but not
>> reverse tolerance.
>> This can prevent or even reverse opiate tolerance. It's also an opiate ...
>> www.reddit.com/r/.../this_can_prevent_or_even_reverse_opiate_toleranc...?
>>
>> Aug 4, 2009 - This can prevent or even reverse opiate tolerance. It's
>> also an opiate potentiator and is not a controlled substance in the U.S.
>> but its no longer ...
>> Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to opiate ... - ScienceDirect
>> www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0304395980900044?
>>
>> by Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related articles
>> Mar 27, 2003 - Five patients on chronic opiate medication to treat
>> low-back and leg pain were determined to have developed opiate tolerance on
>> the basis of ...
>>
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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 01:03:08 -0800
From: Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (no subject)
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Jim you do your homework! .
Sergie I must have missed the video Jim is referring to, can you repost it
or just email it to me?? Thank you.
<3 Val
On Dec 1, 2013 12:39 AM, "Randy Faulconer" <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jim is the man
>
> Randy
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 12:47 AM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Jim!
>>
>> I just put a bright star next to this particular thread.
>> SO i can easily spot itpo
>> Honestly though, what you did, the research you carried out is simply
>> priceless.
>> Or there is a price: HOURS OF MY TIME.
>>
>> Plus, to be able to spot the right/mot relevant info is nothing short of
>> serious skill
>>
>> Thanks agsin.
>>
>> Sergey
>>
>> So I'm early grateful.
>> I'll go through every link
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Jim Hadey3 <jimhadey3 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Serge,
>>>
>>> Google? ?  reverse opiate tolerance? this is the first page.
>>>
>>> (opioids) Is it possible to reverse opioid tolerance? - Bluelight
>>>
>>> www.bluelight.ru/vb/.../637458-Is-it-possible-to-reverse-opioid-toleranc...
>>> ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Aug 15, 2012 - 25 posts - ?17 authors
>>> I often hear people say the only thing that can reverse tolerance to
>>> opioids is time without taking the drug, or that you can only slow the
>>> ...(opioids) Using naloxone to counter tolerance 14 posts May 11, 2012
>>> DXM - The Opiate Addicts's Miracle Drug, PLEASE READ 25 posts Aug 18,
>>> 2010
>>> NMDA antagonists for tolerance, a collection of the ... 25 posts May 5,
>>> 2010
>>> Preventing/reducing opiate tolerance 25 posts Jul 10, 2007
>>> More results from www.bluelight.ru
>>>
>>> Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to opiate analgesics in ...
>>> www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7454382?
>>>
>>> by Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related articles
>>> Five patients on chronic opiate medication to treat low-back and leg
>>> pain were determined to have developed opiate tolerance on the basis of
>>> their failure to ...
>>> Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing Receptor Sensitivity ...
>>> www.drugs-forum.com ? ... ? DRUG-FORUMS ? Opiates & Opioids?
>>>
>>>
>>> Oct 11, 2008 - 26 posts - ?1 author
>>> Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing Receptor Sensitivity ... and
>>> can prevent or even reverse the development of tolerance to opioid
>>> ...Tolerance - Does tolerance never fully go away? 9 posts Sep 6, 2012
>>> Combinations - Dandelion Root for Opiate Tolerance 2 posts Jan 11, 2011
>>> Addiction - Resetting a Kratom tolerance 26 posts Apr 8, 2010
>>> Effects - Possible reverse tolerance? 10 posts Jan 28, 2010
>>> More results from www.drugs-forum.com
>>>
>>> Reversing Opioid Tolerance - Chronic Pain - HealingWell.com Forum
>>> www.healingwell.com ? ... ? Diseases & Conditions ? Chronic Pain?
>>>
>>>
>>> May 23, 2010 - 8 posts - ?4 authors
>>> I have been using opioid (tramadol, hydrocodone and oxycodone) for 6
>>> years, ... Though there are drugs to permanently reverse tolerance for ...
>>> Changing concepts of opioid tolerance
>>> www.painresearch.utah.edu/cancerpain/ch20.html?
>>>
>>>
>>> What these classical studies showed is that tolerance does develop to
>>> opioid ..... are associated with dramatic reduction in pain and rapid
>>> reversal of tolerance.
>>> Opioids, Cannabinoids, and reverse tolerance - Social Anxiety Forum
>>> www.socialanxietysupport.com ? ... ? Recovery ? Medication?
>>>
>>>
>>> Nov 11, 2010 - 14 posts - ?8 authors
>>> According to this research video, they found that THC can synergize with
>>> Opioids and decrease and even reverse opioid tolerance. I got my ...
>>> Does anything other than TIME lower tolerance? [Archive ...
>>> forum.opiophile.org/archive/index.php/t-1447.html?
>>>
>>>
>>> Feb 8, 2006 - 16 posts - ?11 authors
>>> The drugs-Hydroxyzine(produces a rough "doubling" of opiate effects ...
>>> effectiveness AND the prevention/reversal of tolerance through the use ...
>>> [PDF]
>>> Inhibition of opiate tolerance by non-competitive N ... - Deep Blue
>>> deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/.../0000783.pdf?...1?
>>>
>>>
>>> by KA Trujillo - ?1994 - ?Related articles
>>> The NMDA antagonists were found to inhibit the development but not the
>>> expression of opiate tolerance; i.e. they were able to prevent but not
>>> reverse tolerance.
>>> This can prevent or even reverse opiate tolerance. It's also an opiate
>>> ...
>>> www.reddit.com/r/.../this_can_prevent_or_even_reverse_opiate_toleranc...
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Aug 4, 2009 - This can prevent or even reverse opiate tolerance. It's
>>> also an opiate potentiator and is not a controlled substance in the U.S.
>>> but its no longer ...
>>> Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to opiate ... - ScienceDirect
>>> www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0304395980900044?
>>>
>>> by Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related articles
>>> Mar 27, 2003 - Five patients on chronic opiate medication to treat
>>> low-back and leg pain were determined to have developed opiate tolerance on
>>> the basis of ...
>>>
>>>
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 23:46:50 -0500
From: Eddie Caceres <ebrvwarr at aol.com>
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Thanks all for the kind words and the warm welcome. Yes Star still on sub about 2-3 mg depends on my day don't want to go above that. I've been since July ( sub). I haven't considered IBO not because of my Hep c but my finances and situation at home. Won't be easy breaking the news to family. Love and respect to all

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> On Nov 30, 2013, at 7:42 PM, star ray <earthshealing at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey Eddie, I pretty much have the same story you do,? did some crazy drugs when young, got pregnant and straight for 25 years.. had three surgeries, right knee, left knee (made it through those with no pain pills and constant pain) Finally the rotator cuff shoulder surgery was the breaking point.? Had to take 1 vicoprophen to go through rehab, and then started taking some daily.? I never have taken a lot of anything but just enough to mess me up, been battling with that for seven years and i have hep c.......I have done ibogaine a few times and it always helped and also helped my liver and reduced my viral load and enzymes.? i am currently off a low dose of suboxone (.25 mg)? for about 16 days,? just plain tired....anyway good luck on your journey... are you still on subutex??? 
>? 
> Val and junkboy.... what nice messages, you are the best
>? 
> peace and love,? STAR
> 
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 10:26:11 -0500
From: Jim Hadey3 <jimhadey3 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] eddie
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Hi Eddi,

I and many other people took Ibo with Hep C and are alive to talk about it.
I know nothing about medicine but if your in mediocre health I think you
will make it.? I did it 4 times and ta ta as you know I am still around.
Of course everyone is different, maybe you could find out how bad you
liver is then make a decision.

Best,

? - JIM



On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 11:46 PM, Eddie Caceres <ebrvwarr at aol.com> wrote:

> Thanks all for the kind words and the warm welcome. Yes Star still on sub
> about 2-3 mg depends on my day don't want to go above that. I've been since
> July ( sub). I haven't considered IBO not because of my Hep c but my
> finances and situation at home. Won't be easy breaking the news to family.
> Love and respect to all
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 30, 2013, at 7:42 PM, star ray <earthshealing at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Eddie, I pretty much have the same story you do,? did some crazy drugs
> when young, got pregnant and straight for 25 years.. had three surgeries,
> right knee, left knee (made it through those with no pain pills and
> constant pain) Finally the rotator cuff shoulder surgery was the breaking
> point.? Had to take 1 vicoprophen to go through rehab, and then
> started taking some daily.? I never have taken a lot of anything but just
> enough to mess me up, been battling with that for seven years and i have
> hep c.......I have done ibogaine a few times and it always helped and also
> helped my liver and reduced my viral load and enzymes.? i am currently off
> a low dose of suboxone (.25 mg)? for about 16 days,? just plain
> tired....anyway good luck on your journey... are you still on subutex??
>
> Val and junkboy.... what nice messages, you are the best
>
> peace and love,? STAR
>
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 21:00:13 -0800 (PST)
From: danielle yates <danielle6175 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "ibogaine at mindvox.com" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] side note on Heroin music
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P.S. ?I'm thinking of taking down the house on Open Mic Night belting out, "Cold Turkey" loud and proud which is coincidentally after the weekly PTA meeting. ?Any Thoughts...? ? ?




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From: danielle yates <danielle6175 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "ibogaine at mindvox.com" <ibogaine at mindvox.com> 
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2013 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: side note on Heroin music 





Okay; I have to say I got a HUUUUUUUGE education on the Heroin Music forum. ?I've never used Heroin but I feel opiates in general are headed in the same direction so I like to here or see what people that are struggling or overcoming are listening to. ?

DISCLAIMER ~ NO ONE IS ALOUD TO LAUGH AT ME!!! ? (Deep cleansing breath in) ?Honest to God; I had no idea who any of them were. ?Mostly in regards to never hearing their music. ?Of course I know who John Lennon is but I had no idea he had a song called "Cold Turkey". ?Most especially ?I didn't know who Alice In Chains are (they were around during my teen years). ?I have no idea how I missed that (in my adult life). ?The reason for my lack of exposure, is I was raised in a community very similar to the Amish as I've mentioned before. ?For those who don't know what that is, it's basically a very strict, and disciplined lifestyle centered around the Christian Faith. ?I had no T.V., NO secular music, no pants (for females) and all the other stuff.

When I watched the AIC video I was like; "HOLY HELL WHO'S THE BEAUTIFUL BLOND DUDE?" ?I mean really; he had that whole Greek God thang goin ON! ?So naturally I googled his name (Layne Staley) because I wanted to stalk him...er; um, I mean hear more of his music. ?; ) ?

I CAN'T BELIEVE HE'S DEAD!! ?I know you all dealt with that about 10 years ago; but let me have this. ?What a sad waste of friggin talent and beauty! ?His story is so depressing! ?He went to 13 different rehab centers and then gave up. ?At one point he told one of his band mates that; "he wasn't coming back from this. ?This is it." (referring to Heroin) That statement ferments and oozes despair...a despair I'm sure many of us have felt while contending with the same demons.

Clearly I need a crash course on the Grunge time period as I was in Church while all that was going on (not by my own free will). ? Well wait; I was in Church mostly. ?The rest of the time I was in Sin City learning about all the things I wasn't supposed to look at. ?: D

So this is my question: ?Was Ibogaine available or known in those social circles? ?Was the concept of a "maintenance program" with methadone or sub being utilized? ?Did rehabs have meds to allow for a detox that didn't involve wanting to off yourself? ?Feel free to volunteer any pertinent details.

This begs the question; who has died or is curled up in their home, more consumed with feeding their habit than getting busy with the God given gifts they have? ?What if one of those fatalities would've found a cure for Cancer? ?What if one of those lives could have made the difference between war and peace in the Middle East Crisis? ?What about all the beautiful babies that will never take their first breadth, or the love stories that were robbed of their season to bloom? ?It's beyond my ability to wrap my mind around the catastrophic damage that happens every where, all the time, on a daily basis because of addiction. ?

It makes me so utterly sad to think about.





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Today's Topics:

?  1. Re: Iboga Vissions (Valarie)
?  2. Re: wanna say goodbye, wanna wish you all nice xmas, happy
? ? ? new year and everything! (Valarie)
?  3. Re: wanna say goodbye, wanna wish you all nice xmas, happy
? ? ? new year and everything! (Jeff G)
?  4. Re: Homeland (Valarie)
?  5. Re: Homeland (Nyc Labret?)
?  6. Re: Homeland (Jim Hadey3)
?  7. (no subject) (Jim Hadey3)
?  8. eddie (star ray)
?  9. Re: Homeland (Sergey Sibirian)
? 10. Re: wanna say goodbye, wanna wish you all nice xmas, happy
? ? ? new year and everything! (Sergey Sibirian)
? 11. Star, Val? and all (danielle yates)
? 12. Re: (no subject) (Sergey Sibirian)
? 13. Re: Homeland (Randy Faulconer)
? 14. Re: (no subject) (Randy Faulconer)
? 15. Re: (no subject) (Jim
Hadey3)
? 16. Re: (no subject) (Valarie)
? 17. Re: eddie (Eddie Caceres)
? 18. Re: eddie (Jim Hadey3)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:38:26 -0800
From: Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga Vissions
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Hi Leo, I definitely agree with Sergie.
It is very dangerous to stop taking benzodiazepine before you do
ibogaine,
do to risk of seizures.
This one ibogaine facility I called told me to stop taking xanex one week
before my treatment which is absolutely CRAZY and I told them that they
were going to kill someone.
Once I found out about Ibogaine I made a hard decision to go from Xanex to
Colonzapam.? I have had plenty of seizures due to benzodiazepine
withdrawal, and had to be careful.
I don't know if the Ibogaine helped with not needing as much but my benzo
intake has gone down significantly since I did my treatment.
I am actually only taking half of the dose which is prescribed to me, and
find it easier to taper since I did my ibogaine treatment.
Because I had to take the colonzapam during my treatment I did not have
very many visions, Ibogaine of course was still greatly beneficial as I am
now off opiots after 13 years of use.
I hope to be completely off the colonzapam within 3 months and would like
to
do Ibogaine again for spiritual purposes.
Which is why I asked about HCL vs TA.

Lotsof Love,? Val
On Nov 30, 2013 7:54 AM, "Sergey Sibirian" <sibirianfox at gmail.com> wrote:

> Val, Leo
>
> Benzos addiction is by far the worst IN TERMS OF PHYSICAL DEPENDANCY.
> I'm not talking ADDICTION AS A WHOLE.
> From what I read and researched, Ibo does NOT reset benzo addiction.
> And it makes sense, to me at least.
> If opioids fuck with the endorphine system in our brain, the benzos fuck
> with
> Our brains much more basic system: homeostasys and GABBA.
> Homeostatys is basically a state of balance the brain has to maintain at
> any price between the "up" and "down" states.
> Between stimulation/action and depression/deactivation.
> And this is exactly what delirium tremens
is:
> The brain has been long "down" stimulated by alcohol, which also acts on
> GABBA receptors.
> So when a person abruptly stops drinking, the "up" part of brain is
> active, while the "down" waits for alcohol to do its job.
> The result is a loss of balance in favor of the "up", and delirium tremens
> sets in.
> Convulsions, hallucinations, and ultimately possible coma or death...
>
> With heroin/opioids, no matter the severity of WD, there's no danger of
> death.
> With GABBA agonists, such as benzos and alcohol, there is.
> All that to point out that benzo addiction is very serious and in my
> humble opinion, should NEVER be interrupted
> But rather tapered down.
> But then again, I'm no expert on benzo addiction, although I've personally
> witnessed two persons being brought to the hospital
> In state of coma due to alcohol WD.
> That
pretty much shocked me so I did some research and NEVER touch benzos.
>
> Wish you well
>
> Sergey
>
>
> On Saturday, 30 November 2013, leomroz24 wrote:
>
>> So it did help you with the Benzo dt's? I have heard from some people
>> that it does not take away the withdrawals from benzo and also I have heard
>> many people getting rid of there addiction since it took them to the root
>> of why they had anxiety to begin with. I have been on benzo's for 7 years
>> or so and have cut my dose down to about 1mg per day, sometimes less but I
>> just cant seem to kick these damn things.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As most of you know I did not get very many visions during
my ibogaine
>>> treatment which was a disappointment to me.
>>> Since I did Ibogaine I have cut my Colonzapam intake in half from 6mgs
>>> to 3 mgs.
>>> Before treatment and tapering to Colonzapam? I had been on 6-14mgs of
>>> xanex a day for over 10years
>>> I am sure this is why bidding get very many visions.
>>> I plan to be off the colonzapam completely in about 3 months and want to
>>> do another treatment
>>> Should I get the TA or HCL again?
>>> My boyfriend will probably watch me since my favorite person in the
>>> world who treated me lives in a different state.
>>> I heard the TA is more for visions,? and HCL is more for the addiction
>>> is this true?
>>> Thanks for your continued help.
>>> Lotsof Love,?
Val
>>>
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:06:43 -0800
From: Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] wanna say goodbye, wanna wish you all nice
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Have a nice trip
MiGo!
Love ya, Val
On Nov 30, 2013 7:39 AM, "Mi Go" <migoletto75 at gmail.com> wrote:

> hey good people from the forum,
>
> first of all i really appreciate to be member of that forum, first time i
> found a forum or people with a lot of knowledge about that plant and
> medicine where im much interested in, its really hard often to get any
> usefull information!
>
> i wanna say thx for all the replies and infos i got til now and wish you
> all a happy xmas etc. etc. i dont know if i have any inet connection there
> where i go, i have a doubt on that hehe, anyway i will log in, as often its
> possible,
>
> stand strong and take care everybody, have fun and keep up the good work,
> maybe you can sent me over some positive vibes every often, i will do the
>
same!!
>
>
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:09:01 -0800
From: Jeff G <jeffgallop at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] wanna say goodbye, wanna wish you all nice
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Good luck...
Stay safe.
Freak Freely!
Peace
JeffG
On Nov 30, 2013 7:09 AM, "Mi Go" <migoletto75 at gmail.com> wrote:

> hey good people from the forum,
>
> first of all i really appreciate to be member of that forum, first time i
> found a forum or people with a lot of knowledge about that plant
and
> medicine where im much interested in, its really hard often to get any
> usefull information!
>
> i wanna say thx for all the replies and infos i got til now and wish you
> all a happy xmas etc. etc. i dont know if i have any inet connection there
> where i go, i have a doubt on that hehe, anyway i will log in, as often its
> possible,
>
> stand strong and take care everybody, have fun and keep up the good work,
> maybe you can sent me over some positive vibes every often, i will do the
> same!!
>
>
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:09:36 -0800
From: Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland
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Wow Eddie, You have a lot going on. When I was on Subutex my depression got
really bad the 2nd year. I hope you continue to post on here, and I will
keep you in my thoughts.
Lotsof Love, Val
On Nov 30, 2013 7:24 AM, "Eddie Caceres" <ebrvwarr at aol.com> wrote:

> Hey Serg
>? Long story I'll try keep it short. Was an H addict for some time used
> everything under the sun coke, ups, crack, acid, got clean in 1990 ( rehab)
> after trying countless detoxes and col turkey. Stood clean and sober thru
> 12 step programs for 21 yrs. Had an injury in my job that required shoulder
> surgery. Didn't really abuse the meds vics,Percocet. But the monster was
> released. And I'm hooked tried the done for a while 2mons 30mgs couldn't
> deal with that shit. So I tried this wonder drug subutex so I
thought been
> on it since about 6months 2-3mg a day even though my doctor wanted me on
> 8-16 a day. Can't tell you the world of depression I'm in. But I've been
> researching ibo spoke to Buddy, Sister and the guy that was on the Hbo
> program for ibo (vice). EKG was good but my liver is in bad shape (hepc +)
> can't really afford to go to a clinic but most of all I can't even break
> the news to my family. I've been hiding my addiction. But we all know what
> doesn't come out in the wash comes out in the rinse.lol. I truly respect
> you all on this forum and know what I have to do but drugs and
> procrastination is a mother -ucker. And no one in a 12 step program would
> even understand Ibo so I don't mention it to them. I consider myself a
> spiritual person and been relying on that a lot . Got a good job good
> family but emotionally I'm falling apart. Especially after
experiencing all
> those years without using. This disease is brutal to say the least. Hope I
> answered your question. Feel free to ask away I'm open to suggestion. P.S.
> I've been working out a bit since my shoulder is still messed up. I've been
> feeling better,my appetite is getting better and started talking my
> vitamins again. I was big on that and had stopped. Or one more thing I'm
> also a diabetic with an insulin pump. Love and respect Ed.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 29, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Eddie,
>
> How do you relate to Ibo yourself?
> If you don't mind sharing.
>
> Wish you well
>
> Sergey
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Eddie Caceres <ebrvwarr at aol.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all. I'm Eddie been following this list for a while I just don't
>> comment much. But respect you all. Just wanted to share that on last nights
>> episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one of the main character Hooked on
>> H and going thru bad wds so someone suggested Ibogaine and they gave it to
>> him. At least Hollywood acknowledges it. Hooray. Peace
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 14:45:53 -0500
From: Nyc Labret? <digitalcomponents at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland
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Yours is a more common AA/NA story than you may realize.

This is anecdotal but when I was in those rooms in the late 80s
early/mid
90s anecdotal lore was that the highest suicide rate was among those with
+20 years of sobriety.


On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com> wrote:

> Wow Eddie, You have a lot going on. When I was on Subutex my depression
> got really bad the 2nd year. I hope you continue to post on here, and I
> will keep you in my thoughts.
> Lotsof Love, Val
> On Nov 30, 2013 7:24 AM, "Eddie Caceres" <ebrvwarr at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey Serg
>>? Long story I'll try keep it short. Was an H addict for some time used
>> everything under the sun coke, ups, crack, acid, got clean in 1990 ( rehab)
>> after trying countless detoxes and col turkey. Stood clean and sober thru
>> 12
step programs for 21 yrs. Had an injury in my job that required shoulder
>> surgery. Didn't really abuse the meds vics,Percocet. But the monster was
>> released. And I'm hooked tried the done for a while 2mons 30mgs couldn't
>> deal with that shit. So I tried this wonder drug subutex so I thought been
>> on it since about 6months 2-3mg a day even though my doctor wanted me on
>> 8-16 a day. Can't tell you the world of depression I'm in. But I've been
>> researching ibo spoke to Buddy, Sister and the guy that was on the Hbo
>> program for ibo (vice). EKG was good but my liver is in bad shape (hepc +)
>> can't really afford to go to a clinic but most of all I can't even break
>> the news to my family. I've been hiding my addiction. But we all know what
>> doesn't come out in the wash comes out in the rinse.lol. I truly respect
>> you all on this forum and
know what I have to do but drugs and
>> procrastination is a mother -ucker. And no one in a 12 step program would
>> even understand Ibo so I don't mention it to them. I consider myself a
>> spiritual person and been relying on that a lot . Got a good job good
>> family but emotionally I'm falling apart. Especially after experiencing all
>> those years without using. This disease is brutal to say the least. Hope I
>> answered your question. Feel free to ask away I'm open to suggestion. P.S.
>> I've been working out a bit since my shoulder is still messed up. I've been
>> feeling better,my appetite is getting better and started talking my
>> vitamins again. I was big on that and had stopped. Or one more thing I'm
>> also a diabetic with an insulin pump. Love and respect Ed.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Nov 29, 2013, at 10:36
PM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Eddie,
>>
>> How do you relate to Ibo yourself?
>> If you don't mind sharing.
>>
>> Wish you well
>>
>> Sergey
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Eddie Caceres <ebrvwarr at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all. I'm Eddie been following this list for a while I just don't
>>> comment much. But respect you all. Just wanted to share that on last nights
>>> episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one of the main character Hooked on
>>> H and going thru bad wds so someone suggested Ibogaine and they gave it to
>>> him. At least Hollywood
acknowledges it. Hooray. Peace
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 15:06:27 -0500
From: Jim Hadey3 <jimhadey3 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland
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Hi Eddie,

Yeah once you get hooked on opiates it does not take much to get it
rekindled.? Since you used to use H you know what the early symptoms of
w/d
are and you will have cravings and have the urge; you could say your back
to square one but this time it will be a little different.? Most people no
matter how hard they try can not get off that wonderful Sub; they got to go
to SAOs (short acting opiates - perks, codiene, oxy and morphine) for 3
months they do an Ibo detox.? That is you take SAOs and try to get as low
as you can get, but no Sub or Methadone for they are too long lasting.? If
you try and skip the SAO step your setting yourself up for failure.? That
is just what I have heard for I never been on Sub and glad.

Best,

? - JIM



On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Nyc Labret? <digitalcomponents at gmail.com>wrote:

> Yours is a more common AA/NA story than you may realize.
>
> This is anecdotal but
when I was in those rooms in the late 80s early/mid
> 90s anecdotal lore was that the highest suicide rate was among those with
> +20 years of sobriety.
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Wow Eddie, You have a lot going on. When I was on Subutex my depression
>> got really bad the 2nd year. I hope you continue to post on here, and I
>> will keep you in my thoughts.
>> Lotsof Love, Val
>> On Nov 30, 2013 7:24 AM, "Eddie Caceres" <ebrvwarr at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Serg
>>>? Long story I'll try keep it short. Was an H addict for some time used
>>> everything under the sun coke, ups, crack, acid, got clean in 1990 (
rehab)
>>> after trying countless detoxes and col turkey. Stood clean and sober thru
>>> 12 step programs for 21 yrs. Had an injury in my job that required shoulder
>>> surgery. Didn't really abuse the meds vics,Percocet. But the monster was
>>> released. And I'm hooked tried the done for a while 2mons 30mgs couldn't
>>> deal with that shit. So I tried this wonder drug subutex so I thought been
>>> on it since about 6months 2-3mg a day even though my doctor wanted me on
>>> 8-16 a day. Can't tell you the world of depression I'm in. But I've been
>>> researching ibo spoke to Buddy, Sister and the guy that was on the Hbo
>>> program for ibo (vice). EKG was good but my liver is in bad shape (hepc +)
>>> can't really afford to go to a clinic but most of all I can't even break
>>> the news to my family. I've been hiding my
addiction. But we all know what
>>> doesn't come out in the wash comes out in the rinse.lol. I truly respect
>>> you all on this forum and know what I have to do but drugs and
>>> procrastination is a mother -ucker. And no one in a 12 step program would
>>> even understand Ibo so I don't mention it to them. I consider myself a
>>> spiritual person and been relying on that a lot . Got a good job good
>>> family but emotionally I'm falling apart. Especially after experiencing all
>>> those years without using. This disease is brutal to say the least. Hope I
>>> answered your question. Feel free to ask away I'm open to suggestion. P.S.
>>> I've been working out a bit since my shoulder is still messed up. I've been
>>> feeling better,my appetite is getting better and started talking my
>>> vitamins again. I was big on that and
had stopped. Or one more thing I'm
>>> also a diabetic with an insulin pump. Love and respect Ed.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Nov 29, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>? Hi Eddie,
>>>
>>> How do you relate to Ibo yourself?
>>> If you don't mind sharing.
>>>
>>> Wish you well
>>>
>>> Sergey
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Eddie Caceres <ebrvwarr at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all. I'm Eddie been following this list for a while I just don't
>>>> comment
much. But respect you all. Just wanted to share that on last nights
>>>> episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one of the main character Hooked on
>>>> H and going thru bad wds so someone suggested Ibogaine and they gave it to
>>>> him. At least Hollywood acknowledges it. Hooray. Peace
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 15:15:46 -0500
From: Jim Hadey3
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To: Ibogaine <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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Hi Serge,

Google? ?  reverse opiate tolerance? this is the first page.

(opioids) Is it possible to reverse opioid tolerance? - Bluelight
www.bluelight.ru/vb/.../637458-Is-it-possible-to-reverse-opioid-toleranc...?


Aug 15, 2012 - 25 posts - ?17 authors
I often hear people say the only thing that can reverse tolerance to
opioids is time without taking the drug, or that you can only slow
the
...(opioids) Using naloxone to counter tolerance 14 posts May 11, 2012
DXM - The Opiate Addicts's Miracle Drug, PLEASE READ 25 posts Aug 18, 2010
NMDA antagonists for tolerance, a collection of the ... 25 posts May 5, 2010
Preventing/reducing opiate tolerance 25 posts Jul 10, 2007
More results from www.bluelight.ru

Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to opiate analgesics in ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7454382?

by Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related articles
Five patients on chronic opiate medication to treat low-back and leg pain
were determined to have developed opiate tolerance on the basis of their
failure to ...
Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing Receptor Sensitivity ...
www.drugs-forum.com ? ... ? DRUG-FORUMS ? Opiates & Opioids?


Oct 11, 2008 - 26 posts - ?1 author
Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing Receptor Sensitivity ... and can
prevent or
even reverse the development of tolerance to opioid ...Tolerance
- Does tolerance never fully go away? 9 posts Sep 6, 2012
Combinations - Dandelion Root for Opiate Tolerance 2 posts Jan 11, 2011
Addiction - Resetting a Kratom tolerance 26 posts Apr 8, 2010
Effects - Possible reverse tolerance? 10 posts Jan 28, 2010
More results from www.drugs-forum.com

Reversing Opioid Tolerance - Chronic Pain - HealingWell.com Forum
www.healingwell.com ? ... ? Diseases & Conditions ? Chronic Pain?


May 23, 2010 - 8 posts - ?4 authors
I have been using opioid (tramadol, hydrocodone and oxycodone) for 6 years,
... Though there are drugs to permanently reverse tolerance for ...
Changing concepts of opioid tolerance
www.painresearch.utah.edu/cancerpain/ch20.html?


What these classical studies showed is that tolerance does develop to
opioid ..... are associated with dramatic reduction in pain and
rapid
reversal of tolerance.
Opioids, Cannabinoids, and reverse tolerance - Social Anxiety Forum
www.socialanxietysupport.com ? ... ? Recovery ? Medication?


Nov 11, 2010 - 14 posts - ?8 authors
According to this research video, they found that THC can synergize with
Opioids and decrease and even reverse opioid tolerance. I got my ...
Does anything other than TIME lower tolerance? [Archive ...
forum.opiophile.org/archive/index.php/t-1447.html?


Feb 8, 2006 - 16 posts - ?11 authors
The drugs-Hydroxyzine(produces a rough "doubling" of opiate effects ...
effectiveness AND the prevention/reversal of tolerance through the use ...
[PDF]
Inhibition of opiate tolerance by non-competitive N ... - Deep Blue
deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/.../0000783.pdf?...1?


by KA Trujillo - ?1994 - ?Related articles
The NMDA antagonists were found to inhibit the development but not
the
expression of opiate tolerance; i.e. they were able to prevent but not
reverse tolerance.
This can prevent or even reverse opiate tolerance. It's also an opiate ...
www.reddit.com/r/.../this_can_prevent_or_even_reverse_opiate_toleranc...?

Aug 4, 2009 - This can prevent or even reverse opiate tolerance. It's also
an opiate potentiator and is not a controlled substance in the U.S. but its
no longer ...
Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to opiate ... - ScienceDirect
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0304395980900044?

by Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related articles
Mar 27, 2003 - Five patients on chronic opiate medication to treat low-back
and leg pain were determined to have developed opiate tolerance on the
basis of ...
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:42:39 -0600
From: star ray <earthshealing at hotmail.com>
To: "ibogaine at mindvox.com" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] eddie
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Hey Eddie, I
pretty much have the same story you do,? did some crazy drugs when young, got pregnant and straight for 25 years.. had three surgeries, right knee, left knee (made it through those with no pain pills and constant pain) Finally the rotator cuff shoulder surgery was the breaking point.? Had to take 1 vicoprophen to go through rehab, and then started taking some daily.? I never have taken a lot of anything but just enough to mess me up, been battling with that for seven years and i have hep c.......I have done ibogaine a few times and it always helped and also helped my liver and reduced my viral load and enzymes.? i am currently off a low dose of suboxone (.25 mg)? for about 16 days,? just plain tired....anyway good luck on your journey... are you still on subutex??? 

Val and junkboy.... what nice messages, you are the best

peace and love,? STAR

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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 20:32:35 -0500
From: Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland
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Hi Eddie,

I hear you.
20 years of sobriety is already saying a lot about you.
Every life story is unique, contrary to an opinion I saw above, and a
person's suffering cannot be measured in comparison to anothers.
That's my opinion.

Hep C and Diabetes are a big weight, I can only imagine.
So does that mean you cannot use Ibo?
There are compounds being isolated from Iboga, which are BELIEVED to be
responsible for WD interuption.
MC-18 is one of those.
There's some interesting info about the subject on
Ibogamind.com
Very resourceful website: stands out from the rest FOR ME.

I wish you well Eddie, we'll talk more.

Sergey

On Friday, 29 November 2013, Eddie Caceres wrote:

>
Hey Serg
>? Long story I'll try keep it short. Was an H addict for some time used
> everything under the sun coke, ups, crack, acid, got clean in 1990 ( rehab)
> after trying countless detoxes and col turkey. Stood clean and sober thru
> 12 step programs for 21 yrs. Had an injury in my job that required shoulder
> surgery. Didn't really abuse the meds vics,Percocet. But the monster was
> released. And I'm hooked tried the done for a while 2mons 30mgs couldn't
> deal with that shit. So I tried this wonder drug subutex so I thought been
> on it since about 6months 2-3mg a day even though my doctor wanted me on
> 8-16 a day. Can't tell you the world of depression I'm in. But I've been
> researching ibo spoke to Buddy, Sister and the guy that was on the Hbo
> program for ibo (vice). EKG was good but my liver is in bad shape (hepc +)
> can't really afford to go to a clinic but most
of all I can't even break
> the news to my family. I've been hiding my addiction. But we all know what
> doesn't come out in the wash comes out in the rinse.lol. I truly respect
> you all on this forum and know what I have to do but drugs and
> procrastination is a mother -ucker. And no one in a 12 step program would
> even understand Ibo so I don't mention it to them. I consider myself a
> spiritual person and been relying on that a lot . Got a good job good
> family but emotionally I'm falling apart. Especially after experiencing all
> those years without using. This disease is brutal to say the least. Hope I
> answered your question. Feel free to ask away I'm open to suggestion. P.S.
> I've been working out a bit since my shoulder is still messed up. I've been
> feeling better,my appetite is getting better and started talking my
> vitamins again. I was big on that and had
stopped. Or one more thing I'm
> also a diabetic with an insulin pump. Love and respect Ed.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 29, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'sibirianfox at gmail.com');>>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Eddie,
>
> How do you relate to Ibo yourself?
> If you don't mind sharing.
>
> Wish you well
>
> Sergey
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Eddie Caceres <ebrvwarr at aol.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'ebrvwarr at aol.com');>
> >
wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all. I'm Eddie been following this list for a while I just don't
>> comment much. But respect you all. Just wanted to share that on last nights
>> episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one of the main character Hooked on
>> H and going thru bad wds so someone suggested Ibogaine and they gave it to
>> him. At least Hollywood acknowledges it. Hooray. Peace
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 20:40:10 -0500
From: Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] wanna say goodbye, wanna wish you
all nice
??? xmas, happy new year and everything!
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Mi go,

Mi go, mein freund!
Ich wunsche dir ein freuliche Weinachten und viel Spass!

Enjoy yourself and the new year.

Sergey

On Saturday, 30 November 2013, Mi Go wrote:

> hey good people from the forum,
>
> first of all i really appreciate to be member of that forum, first time i
> found a forum or people with a lot of knowledge about that plant and
> medicine where im much interested in, its really hard often to get any
> usefull information!
>
> i wanna say thx for all the replies and infos i got til now and wish you
> all a
happy xmas etc. etc. i dont know if i have any inet connection there
> where i go, i have a doubt on that hehe, anyway i will log in, as often its
> possible,
>
> stand strong and take care everybody, have fun and keep up the good work,
> maybe you can sent me over some positive vibes every often, i will do the
> same!!
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:51:53 -0800 (PST)
From: danielle yates <danielle6175 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "ibogaine at mindvox.com" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Star, Val? and all
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Hello...
Star and Val thanks for the kind words, I've considered Kratom. ?Right now it's a white knuckle ride with nothing...other than a face plant before Thanksgiving. ?I'm under no illusions about how temporary my current state of "clean" will be if I don't implement real, tangible intervention. ?All I know is I'm taking bb steps...(as advised on this very forum).

Also to those
that shared your Thanksgiving thoughts I think you're incredibly inspirational and I'm so, so, so very glad that I don't have to be alone when facing major obstacles that seem overwhelming. ?If it weren't for you Trail Blazers I don't think I would even attempt such a harrowing journey. ?
@ Eddie, Hello and nice to meet you.



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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 11:43:53 -0700
From: junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboganights
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jeffg,
im glad you posted being grateful. it helped me to remember how grateful i
am to not have that damned monkey on my back anymore. this list has helped
me a ton. thanks for everyone who has reached out and helped me on my
journey from being a drug addicted crazy person to a clean crazy person.
ibogaine is definitely a tool that has helped change my life. it actually
did not FIX me.. it just helped me along on my journey.
?? ive learned that i have to do the work to help myself, to find something
that fills that emptiness that is inside me that wants to be filled with
drugs, self destructive behavior, and chaos. im working to overcome myself.
its
not an easy process, but so far has been totally worth it.
i like quick fixes. well, im learning that there there are no quick fixes.
quoting from NA its one day at a time.
plugging away at my issues, trying to let go of beliefs that are not
working, and letting other people into my heart seems to be working for me.
other than a stint earler this year involving the emergency room, morphine
and a take home script of perc's, its been good.
i want to say thank you to everyone on this list, everyone who has emailed
me privately and chatted with me, my wife who can somehow put up with me,
my NA group, and others who have helped take this broken, sad, depressed
and desperate shell of a human being, and helped me to grow into a person
who is healing and becoming whole again.
there is hope.
all it takes is a little work every day.
some support
some love.
some taking,
some giving
some compromise,
some
pain,
some compassion
some random acts of kindness
and a letting go of hate, self loathing, pride, and thinking you are the
cock of the walk.
your not.. just human like all the rest of us..
love you guys and gals..
junkboy


On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Jeff G <jeffgallop at gmail.com> wrote:

> Saw this inside mindvox, thought it might be something the list here would
> like to see.
> Sergey??
>
> http://iboganights.co.uk/
>
> And happy thanksgiving to all of you, I'm grateful for you, this list, and
> for being unsprung from my methadone habit....and for finally seeing that
> all the 'reasons' I had to be high were basically full of shit.
> Sometimes I wish I didn't, but mostly I'm really glad.
> Peace
>
JeffG
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 15:12:13 -0800
From: Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboganights
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Yes, Thank you too all who have helped me get clean and stay clean.
Ibogaine was a big part in my recovery.
I have gone cold turkey plenty of times but once I had been on Methadone
maintenance then Sub maintenance then methadone again then Sub again all of
these maintenance for 12 years left me to afraid to detox.
If it were not for Ibogaine I would have never got off that merry go round.
In order for me to stay clean I am going to an outpatient program from
10-1pm then I go to a place called the Wellness Center from 1-5pm and it
gets dark so early now
because of daylights savings it's already dark by
5pm,
I go home have dinner then go to bed, so my day is now full. Before I could
not stop thinking about getting high, Now I am keeping myself busy. You all
kept telling me but I was being lazy .
Thank you to everyone on this list. I could not have gotten sober without
you.
Now I get to go on here to keep my recovery going with all your help and
help others by sharing my experience. You can get off Methadone! You can
get off Sub!
You don't need to go back to heroin and end up dying to do ibogaine you can
use kratom for that short time. Then depending on how your provider feels
detox from that or they might put you on a SAO for a couple days. Then
Ibogaine!!!!!
Don't let the 3 months scare you.
Love you all.
Lotsof Love, Val
On Nov 29, 2013 11:28 AM, "junkboy" <junkboy64 at gmail.com> wrote:

> jeffg,
> im glad you posted being grateful. it helped me to remember how grateful i
> am to not have that damned monkey on my back anymore. this list has helped
> me a ton. thanks for everyone who has reached out and helped me on my
> journey from being a drug addicted crazy person to a clean crazy person.
> ibogaine is definitely a tool that has helped change my life. it actually
> did not FIX me.. it just helped me along on my journey.
>? ? ive learned that i have to do the work to help myself, to find
> something that fills that emptiness that is inside me that wants to be
> filled with drugs, self destructive behavior, and chaos. im working to
> overcome myself. its not an easy process, but so far has been totally worth
> it.
> i like quick fixes. well, im learning that there there are no quick
fixes.
> quoting from NA its one day at a time.
> plugging away at my issues, trying to let go of beliefs that are not
> working, and letting other people into my heart seems to be working for me.
> other than a stint earler this year involving the emergency room, morphine
> and a take home script of perc's, its been good.
> i want to say thank you to everyone on this list, everyone who has emailed
> me privately and chatted with me, my wife who can somehow put up with me,
> my NA group, and others who have helped take this broken, sad, depressed
> and desperate shell of a human being, and helped me to grow into a person
> who is healing and becoming whole again.
> there is hope.
> all it takes is a little work every day.
> some support
> some love.
> some taking,
> some giving
> some compromise,
> some pain,
> some compassion
> some
random acts of kindness
> and a letting go of hate, self loathing, pride, and thinking you are the
> cock of the walk.
> your not.. just human like all the rest of us..
> love you guys and gals..
> junkboy
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Jeff G <jeffgallop at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Saw this inside mindvox, thought it might be something the list here
>> would like to see.
>> Sergey??
>>
>> http://iboganights.co.uk/
>>
>> And happy thanksgiving to all of you, I'm grateful for you, this list,
>> and for being unsprung from my methadone habit....and for finally seeing
>> that all the 'reasons' I had to be high were basically full of shit.
>> Sometimes I wish I didn't, but
mostly I'm really glad.
>> Peace
>> JeffG
>>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 15:24:05 -0800
From: Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Danielle
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Daniel, I don't know if you have looked into this but it is safer then
going on pills that will be abused and not to mention expensive, or go to
heroin.
Kratomassociation.org
I know of
a few people personally who are staying off Methadone this way,
and I personally used it to help me get off Subutex, untill I had a
seizure.? If you have a history of seizures high doses of Kratom can make
you easily seizure susceptible.
Lotsof Love, Val
On Nov 28, 2013 5:33 PM, "star ray" <earthshealing at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Wow Danielle, thanks for sharing your story....you have been through
> alot... now personally i am not sure how long you have to be off methadone
> to have a successful ibogaine treatment but i am sure someone on this list
> knows... I think ibogaine is definitely a good idea for you... whatever you
> do, if ibogaine is your plan, do not go back on methadone or suboxone!!!!
>
> Happy Thanksgiving, gotta go , my son and i are bonding over a movie
>
> LOVE and
hang in there,? STAR
>
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Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 21:06:46 -0500
From: Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboganights
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Jeff,

Very interesting!
I understand it's the guy's website,-David Graham Scott,- the one who made
the movie "Detox or Die"

There's one thing I find funny.
At the "home" page, if you let the pics slide by, the last pic to appear,
it's a guy, Iain.
But he looks like he just OD'd on smack and has foam and like clouded eyes!
?
:D

I really respect that David Graham Scott character.
He's a smart fella, and he really put his Ibo EXP to everyones benefit.

Wish you well

Sergey



On Fri, Nov 29,
2013 at 12:55 PM, Jeff G <jeffgallop at gmail.com> wrote:

> Saw this inside mindvox, thought it might be something the list here would
> like to see.
> Sergey??
>
> http://iboganights.co.uk/
>
> And happy thanksgiving to all of you, I'm grateful for you, this list, and
> for being unsprung from my methadone habit....and for finally seeing that
> all the 'reasons' I had to be high were basically full of shit.
> Sometimes I wish I didn't, but mostly I'm really glad.
> Peace
> JeffG
>
>
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Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 18:29:37 -0800
From: Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland
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Hi Eddie: )
On Nov 25, 2013 10:59 AM, "Eddie Caceres" <ebrvwarr at aol.com> wrote:

>
> Hi all. I'm Eddie been following this list for a while I just don't
> comment much. But respect you all. Just wanted to share that on last nights
> episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one of the main character Hooked on
> H and going thru bad wds so someone suggested Ibogaine and they gave it to
> him. At least Hollywood acknowledges it. Hooray. Peace
> Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 21:38:03 -0500
From: Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Anyone remember???
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Hi crowd,

A few weeks ago I was researching all kinds
of molecules THAT REVERSE TOLERANCE.

Proglumide is a top example,
but there were much more.

All kinds of compounds that have different medical uses, usually
not at all associated with substance abuse?

CAN ANYONE REMEMBER THE NAMES?
I would really appreciate since I lost track and can't find any?

Thanks!

Sergey
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Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 22:36:35 -0500
From: Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland
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Hi Eddie,

How do you relate to Ibo yourself?
If you don't mind sharing.

Wish you well

Sergey


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Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Eddie Caceres <ebrvwarr at aol.com> wrote:

>
> Hi all. I'm Eddie been following this list for a while I just don't
> comment much. But respect you all. Just wanted to share that on last nights
> episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one of the main character Hooked on
> H and going thru bad wds so someone suggested Ibogaine and they gave it to
> him. At least Hollywood acknowledges it. Hooray. Peace
> Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 22:46:19 -0500
From: Nyc Labret? <digitalcomponents at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland
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I edited out all
the sideplots and posted the entire sequence here,
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rvyytmfum5pkl99/BrodyTreatedWithIbogaineOnHL.movfeel
free to pass along the link or download it.


On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Eddie Caceres <ebrvwarr at aol.com> wrote:

>
> Hi all. I'm Eddie been following this list for a while I just don't
> comment much. But respect you all. Just wanted to share that on last nights
> episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one of the main character Hooked on
> H and going thru bad wds so someone suggested Ibogaine and they gave it to
> him. At least Hollywood acknowledges it. Hooray. Peace
> Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 23:48:22 -0800
From: Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com>
To: The
Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga Vissions
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As most of you know I did not get very many visions during my ibogaine
treatment which was a disappointment to me.
Since I did Ibogaine I have cut my Colonzapam intake in half from 6mgs to 3
mgs.
Before treatment and tapering to Colonzapam? I had been on 6-14mgs of xanex
a day for over 10years
I am sure this is why bidding get very many visions.
I plan to be off the colonzapam completely in about 3 months and want to do
another treatment
Should I get the TA or HCL again?
My boyfriend will probably watch me
since my favorite person in the world
who treated me lives in a different state.
I heard the TA is more for visions,? and HCL is more for the addiction is
this true?
Thanks for your continued help.
Lotsof Love,? Val
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 05:00:30 -0600
From: leomroz24 <leomroz24 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga Vissions
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So it did help you with the Benzo dt's? I have heard from some people that
it does not take away the withdrawals from benzo and also I have heard many
people getting rid of there addiction since it took them to the root of why
they had anxiety to begin with. I have been on benzo's for 7 years or so
and have cut my dose down to about 1mg per day, sometimes less but I just
cant seem to kick these damn things.


On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com> wrote:

> As most of you know I did not get very many visions
during my ibogaine
> treatment which was a disappointment to me.
> Since I did Ibogaine I have cut my Colonzapam intake in half from 6mgs to
> 3 mgs.
> Before treatment and tapering to Colonzapam? I had been on 6-14mgs of
> xanex a day for over 10years
> I am sure this is why bidding get very many visions.
> I plan to be off the colonzapam completely in about 3 months and want to
> do another treatment
> Should I get the TA or HCL again?
> My boyfriend will probably watch me since my favorite person in the world
> who treated me lives in a different state.
> I heard the TA is more for visions,? and HCL is more for the addiction is
> this true?
> Thanks for your continued help.
> Lotsof Love,? Val
>
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 23:30:26 -0500
From: Eddie Caceres <ebrvwarr at aol.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland
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Hey Serg
Long story I'll try keep it short. Was an H addict for some time used everything under the sun coke, ups, crack, acid, got clean in 1990 ( rehab) after trying countless detoxes and col turkey. Stood clean and sober thru 12 step programs for 21 yrs. Had an injury in my job that required shoulder surgery. Didn't really abuse the meds vics,Percocet. But the monster was released. And I'm hooked tried the done for a while 2mons 30mgs couldn't deal with that shit. So I tried this wonder drug subutex so I thought been on it since about 6months 2-3mg a day even though my doctor wanted me on 8-16 a day. Can't tell you the world of depression I'm in. But I've been researching ibo spoke to Buddy, Sister and the guy that was on the Hbo program for ibo (vice). EKG was good but my liver is
in bad shape (hepc +) can't really afford to go to a clinic but most of all I can't even break the news to my family. I've been hiding my addiction. But we all know what doesn't
come out in the wash comes out i
n the rinse.lol. I truly respect you all on this forum and know what I have to do but drugs and procrastination is a mother -ucker. And no one in a 12 step program would even understand Ibo so I don't mention it to them. I consider myself a spiritual person and been relying on that a lot . Got a good job good family but emotionally I'm falling apart. Especially after experiencing all those years without using. This disease is brutal to say the least. Hope I answered your question. Feel free to ask away I'm open to suggestion. P.S. I've been working out a bit since my shoulder is still messed up. I've been feeling better,my appetite is getting better and started talking my vitamins again. I was big on that and had stopped. Or one more thing
I'm also a diabetic with an insulin pump. Love and respect Ed.

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 29, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Eddie,
> 
> How do you relate to Ibo yourself?
> If you don't mind sharing.
> 
> Wish you well
> 
> Sergey
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Eddie Caceres <ebrvwarr at aol.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all. I'm Eddie been following this list for a while I just don't comment much. But respect you all. Just wanted to share that on last nights episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one of the main character Hooked on H and going thru bad wds so someone suggested Ibogaine and they gave it to him. At least Hollywood
acknowledges it. Hooray. Peace
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 13:15:42 +0100
From: Mi Go <migoletto75 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] wanna say goodbye, wanna wish you all nice xmas,
??? happy new year and everything!
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hey good people from the forum,

first of all i
really appreciate to be member of that forum, first time i
found a forum or people with a lot of knowledge about that plant and
medicine where im much interested in, its really hard often to get any
usefull information!

i wanna say thx for all the replies and infos i got til now and wish you
all a happy xmas etc. etc. i dont know if i have any inet connection there
where i go, i have a doubt on that hehe, anyway i will log in, as often its
possible,

stand strong and take care everybody, have fun and keep up the good work,
maybe you can sent me over some positive vibes every often, i will do the
same!!
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:26:43 -0500
From: Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga Vissions
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Val, Leo

Benzos addiction is by far the worst IN TERMS OF PHYSICAL DEPENDANCY.
I'm not talking ADDICTION AS A WHOLE.
>From what I read and researched, Ibo does NOT reset
benzo addiction.
And it makes sense, to me at least.
If opioids fuck with the endorphine system in our brain, the benzos fuck
with
Our brains much more basic system: homeostasys and GABBA.
Homeostatys is basically a state of balance the brain has to maintain at
any price between the "up" and "down" states.
Between stimulation/action and depression/deactivation.
And this is exactly what delirium tremens is:
The brain has been long "down" stimulated by alcohol, which also acts on
GABBA receptors.
So when a person abruptly stops drinking, the "up" part of brain is active,
while the "down" waits for alcohol to do its job.
The result is a loss of balance in favor of the "up", and delirium tremens
sets in.
Convulsions, hallucinations, and ultimately possible coma or death...

With heroin/opioids, no matter the severity of WD, there's no danger of
death.
With GABBA agonists, such as benzos and alcohol,
there is.
All that to point out that benzo addiction is very serious and in my humble
opinion, should NEVER be interrupted
But rather tapered down.
But then again, I'm no expert on benzo addiction, although I've personally
witnessed two persons being brought to the hospital
In state of coma due to alcohol WD.
That pretty much shocked me so I did some research and NEVER touch benzos.

Wish you well

Sergey


On Saturday, 30 November 2013, leomroz24 wrote:

> So it did help you with the Benzo dt's? I have heard from some people that
> it does not take away the withdrawals from benzo and also I have heard many
> people getting rid of there addiction since it took them to the root of why
> they had anxiety to begin with. I have been on benzo's for 7 years or so
> and have cut my dose down to about 1mg per day, sometimes less but I just
> cant seem to kick these damn
things.
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'val.needis at gmail.com');>
> > wrote:
>
>> As most of you know I did not get very many visions during my ibogaine
>> treatment which was a disappointment to me.
>> Since I did Ibogaine I have cut my Colonzapam intake in half from 6mgs to
>> 3 mgs.
>> Before treatment and tapering to Colonzapam? I had been on 6-14mgs of
>> xanex a day for over 10years
>> I am sure this is why bidding get very many visions.
>> I plan to be off the colonzapam completely in about 3 months and want to
>> do another treatment
>> Should I get the TA or HCL again?
>> My boyfriend
will probably watch me since my favorite person in the world
>> who treated me lives in a different state.
>> I heard the TA is more for visions,? and HCL is more for the addiction is
>> this true?
>> Thanks for your continued help.
>> Lotsof Love,? Val
>>
>>
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 07:34:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Jenks <chris at jenks.us>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] IBOGA SEEDS
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?? Dear Friends,

?? I'm in the middle of purchasing iboga seeds from Emmanuel Lih. His price 
is typical, and one advantage is that his seeds come from
cultivated 
plants so their harvest won't interfere with wild iboga propagation. These 
were paid for October 22nd but shipping to South Africa is very slow and I 
didn't suspect a problem until November 16th, when the package had to be 
resent because of a problem at the Cameroon post office. That problem made 
us even, since Emmanuel was hassled when picking up payment because 
Western Union charged me dollars when I clearly specified euros on the 
form.

?? From the start I intended to write a complete report of my seed 
purchasing experiences once my transactions are complete, but wanted to 
post what I have in response to this thread.

?? I don't recommend having the seeds come in the pods because iboga seems 
to stay viable even when dried and the pods are likely to spoil before 
arriving from Cameroon, or get unwanted attention from customs. The 
viability of fresh but separated seeds from
CerberusExtract.com has been 
over 50%.

?? There is a lot of recent information about growing iboga on facebook if 
anyone is planning to study this seriously. If you want to start with the 
discussions on my page my facebook id is chris.jenks.129

?? Yours,

? ?? Chris

On Thu, 28 Nov 2013, Valarie wrote:

> YES!
> 
> On Nov 28, 2013 12:33 PM, "Sergey Sibirian" <sibirianfox at gmail.com> wrote:
>? ? ?? Emmanuel,
> seeds to plant...
> Of course!
> I mean, I would love to,?
> but I don't want to impose or intrude?
> I'm kind of new here.
> 
> Sergey
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:45 AM, M. Emmanuel Lih <kedjutimber at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>? ? ?? I have seeds harvested. Anybody needs to plant???
> 
> 
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 00:47:21 -0500
From: Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (no
subject)
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Jim!

I just put a bright star next to this particular thread.
SO i can easily spot itpo
Honestly though, what you did, the research you carried out is simply
priceless.
Or there is a price: HOURS OF MY TIME.

Plus, to be able to spot the right/mot relevant info is nothing short of
serious skill

Thanks agsin.

Sergey

So I'm early grateful.
I'll go through every link


On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Jim Hadey3 <jimhadey3 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Hi
Serge,
>
> Google? ?  reverse opiate tolerance? this is the first page.
>
> (opioids) Is it possible to reverse opioid tolerance? - Bluelight
> www.bluelight.ru/vb/.../637458-Is-it-possible-to-reverse-opioid-toleranc...
> ?
>
>
> Aug 15, 2012 - 25 posts - ?17 authors
> I often hear people say the only thing that can reverse tolerance to
> opioids is time without taking the drug, or that you can only slow the
> ...(opioids) Using naloxone to counter tolerance 14 posts May 11, 2012
> DXM - The Opiate Addicts's Miracle Drug, PLEASE READ 25 posts Aug 18, 2010
> NMDA antagonists for tolerance, a collection of the ... 25 posts May 5,
> 2010
> Preventing/reducing opiate tolerance 25 posts Jul 10, 2007
> More results from www.bluelight.ru
>
> Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to opiate analgesics in ...
>
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7454382?
>
> by Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related articles
> Five patients on chronic opiate medication to treat low-back and leg pain
> were determined to have developed opiate tolerance on the basis of their
> failure to ...
> Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing Receptor Sensitivity ...
> www.drugs-forum.com ? ... ? DRUG-FORUMS ? Opiates & Opioids?
>
>
> Oct 11, 2008 - 26 posts - ?1 author
> Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing Receptor Sensitivity ... and
> can prevent or even reverse the development of tolerance to opioid
> ...Tolerance - Does tolerance never fully go away? 9 posts Sep 6, 2012
> Combinations - Dandelion Root for Opiate Tolerance 2 posts Jan 11, 2011
> Addiction - Resetting a Kratom tolerance 26 posts Apr 8, 2010
> Effects - Possible reverse tolerance? 10 posts Jan 28, 2010
>
More results from www.drugs-forum.com
>
> Reversing Opioid Tolerance - Chronic Pain - HealingWell.com Forum
> www.healingwell.com ? ... ? Diseases & Conditions ? Chronic Pain?
>
>
> May 23, 2010 - 8 posts - ?4 authors
> I have been using opioid (tramadol, hydrocodone and oxycodone) for 6
> years, ... Though there are drugs to permanently reverse tolerance for ...
> Changing concepts of opioid tolerance
> www.painresearch.utah.edu/cancerpain/ch20.html?
>
>
> What these classical studies showed is that tolerance does develop to
> opioid ..... are associated with dramatic reduction in pain and rapid
> reversal of tolerance.
> Opioids, Cannabinoids, and reverse tolerance - Social Anxiety Forum
> www.socialanxietysupport.com ? ... ? Recovery ? Medication?
>
>
> Nov 11, 2010 - 14 posts - ?8 authors
> According to this research
video, they found that THC can synergize with
> Opioids and decrease and even reverse opioid tolerance. I got my ...
> Does anything other than TIME lower tolerance? [Archive ...
> forum.opiophile.org/archive/index.php/t-1447.html?
>
>
> Feb 8, 2006 - 16 posts - ?11 authors
> The drugs-Hydroxyzine(produces a rough "doubling" of opiate effects ...
> effectiveness AND the prevention/reversal of tolerance through the use ...
> [PDF]
> Inhibition of opiate tolerance by non-competitive N ... - Deep Blue
> deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/.../0000783.pdf?...1?
>
>
> by KA Trujillo - ?1994 - ?Related articles
> The NMDA antagonists were found to inhibit the development but not the
> expression of opiate tolerance; i.e. they were able to prevent but not
> reverse tolerance.
> This can prevent or even reverse opiate tolerance. It's also an
opiate ...
> www.reddit.com/r/.../this_can_prevent_or_even_reverse_opiate_toleranc...?
>
> Aug 4, 2009 - This can prevent or even reverse opiate tolerance. It's also
> an opiate potentiator and is not a controlled substance in the U.S. but its
> no longer ...
> Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to opiate ... - ScienceDirect
> www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0304395980900044?
>
> by Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related articles
> Mar 27, 2003 - Five patients on chronic opiate medication to treat
> low-back and leg pain were determined to have developed opiate tolerance on
> the basis of ...
>
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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 03:08:52 -0500
From: Randy Faulconer <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland
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? ? ? Hello Eddie, your story sounds a lot
like..........................well......................all of us. I went
through interferon for hep C, have had hep B twice, had major colon surgery
for God knows what reason (I once did a gig with a colostomy bag hanging
off of me and took a dump while playing the keyboard part to Material Girl)
and thanx to this list I am still here to tell the tale. We all hang
together and give each other all the love we can express over the internet.
You are most def in the right place. Don't give up on trying to find a way
to better yourself. I have never seen anybody with a liver so bad that they
were refused an Ibogaine treatment. Heart problems? Yea that will scare
providers away. But I have heard of people being yellow from liver problems
and still got
healthy enough to do an Ibo treatment. Ask for help, take
milk thistle, talk to a liver expert, anything you can do to get yourself
in a position to be able to get the help you need.

? ?  What do your liver panels look like? I'm not saying that you should
ignore the blood work, just make sure that you get more then one opinion
about whether you can handle an Ibogaine treatment. There are some really
good clinics that have docs willing to work with problems like this.Check
around, you might be surprised at just what is available to you.

? ? ? ? I know, money is always the biggest problem, just stick around here
and get to know people. Things just might come around for you. Even if you
have to hang around here for ever, it could be worse, we even make each
other laugh from time to time so what do you have to lose?

? ? ? ? ? ? ?  Peace Love and
The Underground
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  Randy
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? BiscuitBoy Blues


On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Eddie,
>
> I hear you.
> 20 years of sobriety is already saying a lot about you.
> Every life story is unique, contrary to an opinion I saw above, and a
> person's suffering cannot be measured in comparison to anothers.
> That's my opinion.
>
> Hep C and Diabetes are a big weight, I can only imagine.
> So does that mean you cannot use Ibo?
> There are compounds being isolated from Iboga, which are BELIEVED to be
> responsible for WD interuption.
> MC-18 is one of those.
> There's some
interesting info about the subject on
> Ibogamind.com
> Very resourceful website: stands out from the rest FOR ME.
>
> I wish you well Eddie, we'll talk more.
>
> Sergey
>
> On Friday, 29 November 2013, Eddie Caceres wrote:
>
>> Hey Serg
>>? Long story I'll try keep it short. Was an H addict for some time used
>> everything under the sun coke, ups, crack, acid, got clean in 1990 ( rehab)
>> after trying countless detoxes and col turkey. Stood clean and sober thru
>> 12 step programs for 21 yrs. Had an injury in my job that required shoulder
>> surgery. Didn't really abuse the meds vics,Percocet. But the monster was
>> released. And I'm hooked tried the done for a while 2mons 30mgs couldn't
>> deal with that shit. So I tried this wonder drug subutex so I thought been
>> on it since about 6months 2-3mg a day even
though my doctor wanted me on
>> 8-16 a day. Can't tell you the world of depression I'm in. But I've been
>> researching ibo spoke to Buddy, Sister and the guy that was on the Hbo
>> program for ibo (vice). EKG was good but my liver is in bad shape (hepc +)
>> can't really afford to go to a clinic but most of all I can't even break
>> the news to my family. I've been hiding my addiction. But we all know what
>> doesn't come out in the wash comes out in the rinse.lol. I truly respect
>> you all on this forum and know what I have to do but drugs and
>> procrastination is a mother -ucker. And no one in a 12 step program would
>> even understand Ibo so I don't mention it to them. I consider myself a
>> spiritual person and been relying on that a lot . Got a good job good
>> family but emotionally I'm falling apart. Especially after experiencing all
>>
those years without using. This disease is brutal to say the least. Hope I
>> answered your question. Feel free to ask away I'm open to suggestion. P.S.
>> I've been working out a bit since my shoulder is still messed up. I've been
>> feeling better,my appetite is getting better and started talking my
>> vitamins again. I was big on that and had stopped. Or one more thing I'm
>> also a diabetic with an insulin pump. Love and respect Ed.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Nov 29, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Eddie,
>>
>> How do you relate to Ibo yourself?
>> If you don't mind sharing.
>>
>> Wish you well
>>
>> Sergey
>>
>>
>>
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Eddie Caceres <ebrvwarr at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all. I'm Eddie been following this list for a while I just don't
>>> comment much. But respect you all. Just wanted to share that on last nights
>>> episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one of the main character Hooked on
>>> H and going thru bad wds so someone suggested Ibogaine and they gave it to
>>> him. At least Hollywood acknowledges it. Hooray. Peace
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 03:11:12 -0500
From: Randy Faulconer <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (no subject)
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Jim is the man

Randy


On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 12:47 AM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>wrote:

> Jim!
>
> I just put a bright star next to this particular thread.
> SO i can easily spot itpo
> Honestly though, what you did, the research you carried out is simply
> priceless.
> Or there is a price: HOURS OF MY TIME.
>
> Plus, to be able to spot the right/mot relevant info is nothing short of
> serious skill
>
> Thanks agsin.
>
> Sergey
>
> So I'm early grateful.
> I'll go through every link
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Jim Hadey3 <jimhadey3 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Serge,
>>
>> Google? ?  reverse opiate tolerance? this is the first page.
>>
>>
(opioids) Is it possible to reverse opioid tolerance? - Bluelight
>>
>> www.bluelight.ru/vb/.../637458-Is-it-possible-to-reverse-opioid-toleranc...
>> ?
>>
>>
>> Aug 15, 2012 - 25 posts - ?17 authors
>> I often hear people say the only thing that can reverse tolerance to
>> opioids is time without taking the drug, or that you can only slow the
>> ...(opioids) Using naloxone to counter tolerance 14 posts May 11, 2012
>> DXM - The Opiate Addicts's Miracle Drug, PLEASE READ 25 posts Aug 18, 2010
>> NMDA antagonists for tolerance, a collection of the ... 25 posts May 5,
>> 2010
>> Preventing/reducing opiate tolerance 25 posts Jul 10, 2007
>> More results from www.bluelight.ru
>>
>> Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to opiate analgesics in ...
>>
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7454382?
>>
>> by Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related articles
>> Five patients on chronic opiate medication to treat low-back and leg pain
>> were determined to have developed opiate tolerance on the basis of their
>> failure to ...
>> Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing Receptor Sensitivity ...
>> www.drugs-forum.com ? ... ? DRUG-FORUMS ? Opiates & Opioids?
>>
>>
>> Oct 11, 2008 - 26 posts - ?1 author
>> Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing Receptor Sensitivity ... and
>> can prevent or even reverse the development of tolerance to opioid
>> ...Tolerance - Does tolerance never fully go away? 9 posts Sep 6, 2012
>> Combinations - Dandelion Root for Opiate Tolerance 2 posts Jan 11, 2011
>> Addiction - Resetting a Kratom tolerance 26 posts Apr 8, 2010
>>
Effects - Possible reverse tolerance? 10 posts Jan 28, 2010
>> More results from www.drugs-forum.com
>>
>> Reversing Opioid Tolerance - Chronic Pain - HealingWell.com Forum
>> www.healingwell.com ? ... ? Diseases & Conditions ? Chronic Pain?
>>
>>
>> May 23, 2010 - 8 posts - ?4 authors
>> I have been using opioid (tramadol, hydrocodone and oxycodone) for 6
>> years, ... Though there are drugs to permanently reverse tolerance for ...
>> Changing concepts of opioid tolerance
>> www.painresearch.utah.edu/cancerpain/ch20.html?
>>
>>
>> What these classical studies showed is that tolerance does develop to
>> opioid ..... are associated with dramatic reduction in pain and rapid
>> reversal of tolerance.
>> Opioids, Cannabinoids, and reverse tolerance - Social Anxiety Forum
>>
www.socialanxietysupport.com ? ... ? Recovery ? Medication?
>>
>>
>> Nov 11, 2010 - 14 posts - ?8 authors
>> According to this research video, they found that THC can synergize with
>> Opioids and decrease and even reverse opioid tolerance. I got my ...
>> Does anything other than TIME lower tolerance? [Archive ...
>> forum.opiophile.org/archive/index.php/t-1447.html?
>>
>>
>> Feb 8, 2006 - 16 posts - ?11 authors
>> The drugs-Hydroxyzine(produces a rough "doubling" of opiate effects ...
>> effectiveness AND the prevention/reversal of tolerance through the use ...
>> [PDF]
>> Inhibition of opiate tolerance by non-competitive N ... - Deep Blue
>> deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/.../0000783.pdf?...1?
>>
>>
>> by KA Trujillo - ?1994 - ?Related articles
>> The NMDA
antagonists were found to inhibit the development but not the
>> expression of opiate tolerance; i.e. they were able to prevent but not
>> reverse tolerance.
>> This can prevent or even reverse opiate tolerance. It's also an opiate ...
>> www.reddit.com/r/.../this_can_prevent_or_even_reverse_opiate_toleranc...?
>>
>> Aug 4, 2009 - This can prevent or even reverse opiate tolerance. It's
>> also an opiate potentiator and is not a controlled substance in the U.S.
>> but its no longer ...
>> Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to opiate ... - ScienceDirect
>> www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0304395980900044?
>>
>> by Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related articles
>> Mar 27, 2003 - Five patients on chronic opiate medication to treat
>> low-back and leg pain were determined to have developed opiate tolerance
on
>> the basis of ...
>>
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 03:19:54 -0500
From: Jim Hadey3 <jimhadey3 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (no subject)
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I saw that film you posted a link to and it was pretty good.? It was not
bad when you take it but when you come out of it maybe 20 hours later you
may feel rough or you may have the Ibo glow.?
24 or so hours after you take
you don't feel that great but not that bad considering you have just been
through a detox.? I put it like this you will go from the worst flu in the
world to a bad cold.? When ya got a cold ya just gotta hack it.

As far as being scared it is not a scared feeling like spiders and snakes.
I seen something I wanted to change and I asked that it be changed and it
asked what to and I said whatever you think I need and the vision changed.
I am surprised the guy had a ECG done also he went from met to Ibo which
can be pretty rough and sometimes dangerous.? I believed he said something
about the QT syndrome can't say for sure.

Hey Sis? do you have any idea if a person has Prolonger QT Syndrome how
long should you wait before taking to the hospital and how would a person
know - just curious.? That was a nice video Serge posted a link to, short
and pretty
informative.? It did seem to imply that after a couple of days
he was alright.? For me the effects lasted a good week or two.? I am not
saying I was buzzing around but knew it would be better to stay in the
house and not drive.? It also affected my eating habits as cutting down 95%
on sugar like ice cream and cola mainly.

Best,

? - JIM



On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 12:47 AM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>wrote:

> Jim!
>
> I just put a bright star next to this particular thread.
> SO i can easily spot itpo
> Honestly though, what you did, the research you carried out is simply
> priceless.
> Or there is a price: HOURS OF MY TIME.
>
> Plus, to be able to spot the right/mot relevant info is nothing short of
> serious skill
>
>
Thanks agsin.
>
> Sergey
>
> So I'm early grateful.
> I'll go through every link
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Jim Hadey3 <jimhadey3 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Serge,
>>
>> Google? ?  reverse opiate tolerance? this is the first page.
>>
>> (opioids) Is it possible to reverse opioid tolerance? - Bluelight
>>
>> www.bluelight.ru/vb/.../637458-Is-it-possible-to-reverse-opioid-toleranc...
>> ?
>>
>>
>> Aug 15, 2012 - 25 posts - ?17 authors
>> I often hear people say the only thing that can reverse tolerance to
>> opioids is time without taking the drug, or that you can only slow the
>> ...(opioids) Using naloxone to counter tolerance 14 posts May 11,
2012
>> DXM - The Opiate Addicts's Miracle Drug, PLEASE READ 25 posts Aug 18, 2010
>> NMDA antagonists for tolerance, a collection of the ... 25 posts May 5,
>> 2010
>> Preventing/reducing opiate tolerance 25 posts Jul 10, 2007
>> More results from www.bluelight.ru
>>
>> Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to opiate analgesics in ...
>> www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7454382?
>>
>> by Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related articles
>> Five patients on chronic opiate medication to treat low-back and leg pain
>> were determined to have developed opiate tolerance on the basis of their
>> failure to ...
>> Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing Receptor Sensitivity ...
>> www.drugs-forum.com ? ... ? DRUG-FORUMS ? Opiates & Opioids?
>>
>>
>> Oct 11, 2008 - 26 posts - ?1
author
>> Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing Receptor Sensitivity ... and
>> can prevent or even reverse the development of tolerance to opioid
>> ...Tolerance - Does tolerance never fully go away? 9 posts Sep 6, 2012
>> Combinations - Dandelion Root for Opiate Tolerance 2 posts Jan 11, 2011
>> Addiction - Resetting a Kratom tolerance 26 posts Apr 8, 2010
>> Effects - Possible reverse tolerance? 10 posts Jan 28, 2010
>> More results from www.drugs-forum.com
>>
>> Reversing Opioid Tolerance - Chronic Pain - HealingWell.com Forum
>> www.healingwell.com ? ... ? Diseases & Conditions ? Chronic Pain?
>>
>>
>> May 23, 2010 - 8 posts - ?4 authors
>> I have been using opioid (tramadol, hydrocodone and oxycodone) for 6
>> years, ... Though there are drugs to permanently reverse tolerance for ...
>> Changing
concepts of opioid tolerance
>> www.painresearch.utah.edu/cancerpain/ch20.html?
>>
>>
>> What these classical studies showed is that tolerance does develop to
>> opioid ..... are associated with dramatic reduction in pain and rapid
>> reversal of tolerance.
>> Opioids, Cannabinoids, and reverse tolerance - Social Anxiety Forum
>> www.socialanxietysupport.com ? ... ? Recovery ? Medication?
>>
>>
>> Nov 11, 2010 - 14 posts - ?8 authors
>> According to this research video, they found that THC can synergize with
>> Opioids and decrease and even reverse opioid tolerance. I got my ...
>> Does anything other than TIME lower tolerance? [Archive ...
>> forum.opiophile.org/archive/index.php/t-1447.html?
>>
>>
>> Feb 8, 2006 - 16 posts - ?11 authors
>> The drugs-Hydroxyzine(produces a rough
"doubling" of opiate effects ...
>> effectiveness AND the prevention/reversal of tolerance through the use ...
>> [PDF]
>> Inhibition of opiate tolerance by non-competitive N ... - Deep Blue
>> deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/.../0000783.pdf?...1?
>>
>>
>> by KA Trujillo - ?1994 - ?Related articles
>> The NMDA antagonists were found to inhibit the development but not the
>> expression of opiate tolerance; i.e. they were able to prevent but not
>> reverse tolerance.
>> This can prevent or even reverse opiate tolerance. It's also an opiate ...
>> www.reddit.com/r/.../this_can_prevent_or_even_reverse_opiate_toleranc...?
>>
>> Aug 4, 2009 - This can prevent or even reverse opiate tolerance. It's
>> also an opiate potentiator and is not a controlled substance in the U.S.
>> but its no longer
...
>> Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to opiate ... - ScienceDirect
>> www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0304395980900044?
>>
>> by Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related articles
>> Mar 27, 2003 - Five patients on chronic opiate medication to treat
>> low-back and leg pain were determined to have developed opiate tolerance on
>> the basis of ...
>>
>>
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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 01:03:08 -0800
From: Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com>
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Jim you do your homework! .
Sergie I must have missed the video Jim is referring to, can you repost it
or just email it to me?? Thank you.
<3 Val
On Dec 1, 2013 12:39 AM, "Randy Faulconer" <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jim is the man
>
> Randy
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 12:47 AM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Jim!
>>
>> I just put a bright star next to this particular thread.
>> SO i can easily
spot itpo
>> Honestly though, what you did, the research you carried out is simply
>> priceless.
>> Or there is a price: HOURS OF MY TIME.
>>
>> Plus, to be able to spot the right/mot relevant info is nothing short of
>> serious skill
>>
>> Thanks agsin.
>>
>> Sergey
>>
>> So I'm early grateful.
>> I'll go through every link
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Jim Hadey3 <jimhadey3 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Serge,
>>>
>>> Google? ?  reverse opiate tolerance? this is the first page.
>>>
>>> (opioids) Is it possible to reverse opioid tolerance? - Bluelight
>>>
>>>
www.bluelight.ru/vb/.../637458-Is-it-possible-to-reverse-opioid-toleranc...
>>> ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Aug 15, 2012 - 25 posts - ?17 authors
>>> I often hear people say the only thing that can reverse tolerance to
>>> opioids is time without taking the drug, or that you can only slow the
>>> ...(opioids) Using naloxone to counter tolerance 14 posts May 11, 2012
>>> DXM - The Opiate Addicts's Miracle Drug, PLEASE READ 25 posts Aug 18,
>>> 2010
>>> NMDA antagonists for tolerance, a collection of the ... 25 posts May 5,
>>> 2010
>>> Preventing/reducing opiate tolerance 25 posts Jul 10, 2007
>>> More results from www.bluelight.ru
>>>
>>> Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to opiate analgesics in ...
>>> www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7454382?
>>>
>>>
by Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related articles
>>> Five patients on chronic opiate medication to treat low-back and leg
>>> pain were determined to have developed opiate tolerance on the basis of
>>> their failure to ...
>>> Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing Receptor Sensitivity ...
>>> www.drugs-forum.com ? ... ? DRUG-FORUMS ? Opiates & Opioids?
>>>
>>>
>>> Oct 11, 2008 - 26 posts - ?1 author
>>> Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing Receptor Sensitivity ... and
>>> can prevent or even reverse the development of tolerance to opioid
>>> ...Tolerance - Does tolerance never fully go away? 9 posts Sep 6, 2012
>>> Combinations - Dandelion Root for Opiate Tolerance 2 posts Jan 11, 2011
>>> Addiction - Resetting a Kratom tolerance 26 posts Apr 8, 2010
>>> Effects -
Possible reverse tolerance? 10 posts Jan 28, 2010
>>> More results from www.drugs-forum.com
>>>
>>> Reversing Opioid Tolerance - Chronic Pain - HealingWell.com Forum
>>> www.healingwell.com ? ... ? Diseases & Conditions ? Chronic Pain?
>>>
>>>
>>> May 23, 2010 - 8 posts - ?4 authors
>>> I have been using opioid (tramadol, hydrocodone and oxycodone) for 6
>>> years, ... Though there are drugs to permanently reverse tolerance for ...
>>> Changing concepts of opioid tolerance
>>> www.painresearch.utah.edu/cancerpain/ch20.html?
>>>
>>>
>>> What these classical studies showed is that tolerance does develop to
>>> opioid ..... are associated with dramatic reduction in pain and rapid
>>> reversal of tolerance.
>>> Opioids, Cannabinoids, and reverse
tolerance - Social Anxiety Forum
>>> www.socialanxietysupport.com ? ... ? Recovery ? Medication?
>>>
>>>
>>> Nov 11, 2010 - 14 posts - ?8 authors
>>> According to this research video, they found that THC can synergize with
>>> Opioids and decrease and even reverse opioid tolerance. I got my ...
>>> Does anything other than TIME lower tolerance? [Archive ...
>>> forum.opiophile.org/archive/index.php/t-1447.html?
>>>
>>>
>>> Feb 8, 2006 - 16 posts - ?11 authors
>>> The drugs-Hydroxyzine(produces a rough "doubling" of opiate effects ...
>>> effectiveness AND the prevention/reversal of tolerance through the use ...
>>> [PDF]
>>> Inhibition of opiate tolerance by non-competitive N ... - Deep Blue
>>>
deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/.../0000783.pdf?...1?
>>>
>>>
>>> by KA Trujillo - ?1994 - ?Related articles
>>> The NMDA antagonists were found to inhibit the development but not the
>>> expression of opiate tolerance; i.e. they were able to prevent but not
>>> reverse tolerance.
>>> This can prevent or even reverse opiate tolerance. It's also an opiate
>>> ...
>>> www.reddit.com/r/.../this_can_prevent_or_even_reverse_opiate_toleranc...
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Aug 4, 2009 - This can prevent or even reverse opiate tolerance. It's
>>> also an opiate potentiator and is not a controlled substance in the U.S.
>>> but its no longer ...
>>> Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to opiate ... - ScienceDirect
>>>
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0304395980900044?
>>>
>>> by Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related articles
>>> Mar 27, 2003 - Five patients on chronic opiate medication to treat
>>> low-back and leg pain were determined to have developed opiate tolerance on
>>> the basis of ...
>>>
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 23:46:50 -0500
From: Eddie Caceres <ebrvwarr at aol.com>
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Thanks all for the kind words and the warm welcome. Yes Star still on sub about 2-3 mg depends on my day don't want to go above that. I've been since July ( sub). I haven't considered IBO not because of my Hep c but my finances and situation at home. Won't be easy breaking the news to family. Love and respect to all

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> On Nov 30, 2013, at 7:42 PM, star ray <earthshealing at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey Eddie, I pretty much have the same story you do,? did some crazy drugs when young, got pregnant and straight for 25 years.. had three surgeries, right knee, left knee (made it through those with no pain pills and constant pain) Finally the rotator cuff shoulder surgery was the breaking point.? Had to take 1 vicoprophen to go through rehab, and then started taking some daily.? I never have taken a lot of anything but just enough to mess me up, been battling with that for seven years and i have hep c.......I have done ibogaine a few times and it always helped and also helped my liver and reduced my viral load and enzymes.? i am currently off a low dose of suboxone (.25 mg)? for about 16 days,? just plain tired....anyway good luck on your journey... are you still on subutex??? 
>? 
> Val and junkboy....
what nice messages, you are the best
>? 
> peace and love,? STAR
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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 10:26:11 -0500
From: Jim Hadey3 <jimhadey3 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] eddie
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Hi Eddi,

I and many other people took Ibo with Hep C and are alive to talk about it.
I know nothing about medicine but if your in mediocre health I think you
will make it.? I did it 4 times and ta ta as you know I am still around.
Of course everyone is different, maybe you could find out how bad you
liver is then make a decision.

Best,

? - JIM



On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 11:46 PM, Eddie Caceres <ebrvwarr at aol.com> wrote:

> Thanks all for the kind words and the warm welcome. Yes Star still on sub
> about 2-3 mg depends on my day don't want to go above that. I've been since
> July ( sub). I haven't considered IBO not because of my Hep c but my
> finances and situation at home. Won't be easy breaking the news to family.
> Love and respect to all
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 30, 2013, at 7:42 PM, star ray <earthshealing at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Eddie, I pretty much have the same story you do,? did some crazy drugs
> when young, got pregnant and straight for 25 years.. had three surgeries,
> right knee, left knee (made it through those with no pain pills and
> constant pain) Finally
the rotator cuff shoulder surgery was the breaking
> point.? Had to take 1 vicoprophen to go through rehab, and then
> started taking some daily.? I never have taken a lot of anything but just
> enough to mess me up, been battling with that for seven years and i have
> hep c.......I have done ibogaine a few times and it always helped and also
> helped my liver and reduced my viral load and enzymes.? i am currently off
> a low dose of suboxone (.25 mg)? for about 16 days,? just plain
> tired....anyway good luck on your journey... are you still on subutex??
>
> Val and junkboy.... what nice messages, you are the best
>
> peace and love,? STAR
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 00:07:04 -0800
From: Annette Dilucchio <dilucch at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] side note on Heroin music
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I saw Alice in chains in concert my first year of college. They actually played in the cafeteria at University of Arizona. Layne Stanley was amazing.  They remain today, one of my all time favorite bands.     To answer your question...Bc I also had my first stay in a rehab right around that time, no, Methadone was not available except for in a select few States and it was highly looked down upon.  Even today, you cannot just go get on Methadone (correct me if I am wrong) w/o having to go through the humiliating process of signing up for a methadone program, then you have to show up at 5 am with all of the rest of the junkies and stand in line for your take home meds EVERY SINGLE DAY bc you cannot be trusted to have an actual month's worth of meds.  Again, I could be out of the current loop as far as this goes AND it should be noted that I am one of those really pathetic cases who got into opiates all by herself, without any legitimate pain
 problems.  

You should watch MTV's Alice in Chains Unplugged...that was the bands' last time playing together before he died.

Happy late Thanksgiving to everyone!

Annette

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> On Dec 1, 2013, at 9:00 PM, danielle yates <danielle6175 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> have


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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 08:47:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Vector Vector <vector620022002 at yahoo.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] side note on Heroin music
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I think that mostly people on the ibo list are not going to have any idea of what you?re talking about since you?re posting a reply to a thread that?s inside mindvox only and not going out across this list ;-) There?s some overlap but I see a lot of very old list members inside the system, but if they?re reading this list they haven?t posted to it in years.

Dana Beal, Patrick Kroupa, Preston Peet and others on the same topic in 2002 when it happened ;-)

http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/2002-April/000496.html

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On Mon, 12/2/13, danielle yates <danielle6175 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] side note on Heroin music
To: "ibogaine at mindvox.com" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Date: Monday, December 2, 2013, 12:00 AM

P.S. ?I'm
thinking of taking down the house on Open Mic Night belting
out, "Cold Turkey" loud and proud which is
coincidentally after the weekly PTA meeting. ?Any
Thoughts...? ? ?


         From: danielle yates
<danielle6175 at sbcglobal.net>
  To:
"ibogaine at mindvox.com"
<ibogaine at mindvox.com> 
  Sent: Sunday,
December 1, 2013 7:57 PM
  Subject: Re:
side note on Heroin music 
    

Okay; I have to say I got a HUUUUUUUGE
education on the Heroin Music forum. ?I've never
used Heroin but I feel opiates in general are headed in the
same direction so I like to here or see what people that are
struggling or overcoming are listening to.
?
DISCLAIMER
~ NO ONE IS ALOUD TO LAUGH AT ME!!! ? (Deep cleansing
breath in) ?Honest to God; I had no idea who any of
them were. ?Mostly in regards to never hearing their
music. ?Of course I know who John Lennon is but I had
no idea he had a song called "Cold Turkey".
?Most especially ?I didn't know who Alice In
Chains are (they were
  around during my teen years). ?I have no idea how I
missed that (in my adult life). ?The reason for my lack
of exposure, is I was raised in a community very similar to
the Amish as I've mentioned before. ?For those who
don't know what that is, it's basically a very
strict, and disciplined lifestyle centered around the
Christian Faith. ?I had no T.V., NO secular music, no
pants (for females) and all the other stuff.
When
I watched the AIC video I was like; "HOLY HELL
WHO'S THE BEAUTIFUL BLOND DUDE?" ?I mean
really; he had that whole Greek God thang goin ON! ?So
naturally I googled his name (Layne Staley) because I wanted
to stalk him...er; um, I mean hear more of his music.
?; ) ?
I
CAN'T BELIEVE HE'S DEAD!! ?I know you all dealt
with that about 10 years ago; but let me have this.
?What a sad waste of friggin talent and beauty!
?His story is so depressing! ?He went to 13
different rehab centers and then gave up. ?At one point
he told one of his band mates that; "he wasn't
coming back from this. ?This is it." (referring to
Heroin) That statement ferments and oozes despair...a
despair I'm sure many of us have felt while contending
with the same demons.
Clearly
I need a crash course on the Grunge time period as I was in
Church while all that was going on (not by my own free
will). ? Well wait; I was in Church mostly. ?The
rest of the time I was in Sin City learning about all the
things I wasn't supposed to look at. ?: D
So
this is my question: ?Was Ibogaine available or known
in those social circles? ?Was the concept of a
"maintenance program" with methadone or sub being
  utilized? ?Did rehabs have meds to allow for a detox
that didn't involve wanting to off yourself? ?Feel
free to volunteer any pertinent details.
This
begs the question; who has died or is curled up in their
home, more consumed with feeding their habit than getting
busy with the God given gifts they have? ?What if one
of those fatalities would've found a cure for Cancer?
?What if one of those lives could have made the
difference between war and peace in the Middle East Crisis?
?What about all the beautiful babies that will never
take their first breadth, or the love stories that were
robbed of their
  season to bloom? ?It's beyond my ability to wrap
my mind around the catastrophic damage that happens every
where, all the time, on a daily basis because of addiction.
?
It
makes me so utterly sad to think about.



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?  3. Re: wanna say goodbye, wanna wish you all nice
xmas, happy
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? 12. Re: (no subject) (Sergey Sibirian)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:38:26 -0800
From: Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga Vissions
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Hi Leo, I
  definitely agree with Sergie.
It is very dangerous to stop taking benzodiazepine before
you do
  ibogaine,
do to risk of seizures.
This one ibogaine facility I called told me to stop taking
xanex one week
before my treatment which is absolutely CRAZY and I told
them that they
were going to kill someone.
Once I found out about Ibogaine I made a hard decision to go
from Xanex to
Colonzapam.? I have had plenty of seizures due to
benzodiazepine
withdrawal, and had to be careful.
I don't know if the Ibogaine helped with not needing as
much but my benzo
intake has gone down significantly since I did my
treatment.
I am actually only taking half of the dose which is
prescribed to me, and
find it easier to taper since I did my ibogaine treatment.
Because I had to take the colonzapam during my treatment I
did not have
very many visions, Ibogaine of course was still greatly
beneficial as I am
now off opiots after 13 years of use.
I hope to be completely off the colonzapam within 3 months
and would like
to
  do Ibogaine again for spiritual purposes.
Which is why I asked about HCL vs TA.

Lotsof Love,? Val
  On Nov 30, 2013 7:54 AM, "Sergey Sibirian" <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Val, Leo
>
> Benzos addiction is by far the worst IN TERMS OF
PHYSICAL DEPENDANCY.
> I'm not talking ADDICTION AS A WHOLE.
> From what I read and researched, Ibo does NOT reset
benzo addiction.
> And it makes sense, to me at least.
> If opioids fuck with the endorphine system in our
brain, the benzos fuck
> with
> Our brains much more basic system: homeostasys and
GABBA.
> Homeostatys is basically a state of balance the brain
has to maintain at
> any price between the "up" and
"down" states.
> Between stimulation/action and
depression/deactivation.
> And this is
  exactly what delirium tremens
  is:
> The brain has been long "down" stimulated by
alcohol, which also acts on
> GABBA receptors.
> So when a person abruptly stops drinking, the
"up" part of brain is
> active, while the "down" waits for alcohol to
do its job.
> The result is a loss of balance in favor of the
"up", and delirium tremens
> sets in.
> Convulsions, hallucinations, and ultimately possible
coma or death...
>
> With heroin/opioids, no matter the severity of WD,
there's no danger of
> death.
> With GABBA agonists, such as benzos and alcohol, there
is.
> All that to point out that benzo addiction is very
serious and in my
> humble opinion, should NEVER be interrupted
> But rather tapered down.
> But then again, I'm no expert on benzo addiction,
although I've personally
> witnessed two persons being brought to the hospital
> In state of coma due to alcohol WD.
> That
  pretty much shocked me so I did some research and NEVER
touch benzos.
>
> Wish you well
>
> Sergey
>
>
> On Saturday, 30 November 2013, leomroz24 wrote:
>
>> So it did help you with the Benzo dt's? I have
heard from some people
>> that it does not take away the withdrawals from
benzo and also I have heard
>> many people getting rid of there addiction since it
took them to the root
>> of why they had anxiety to begin with. I have been
on benzo's for 7 years
>> or so and have cut my dose down to about 1mg per
day, sometimes less but I
>> just cant seem to kick these damn things.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>>> As most of you know I did not
  get very many visions during
  my ibogaine
>>> treatment which was a disappointment to me.
>>> Since I did Ibogaine I have cut my Colonzapam
intake in half from 6mgs
>>> to 3 mgs.
>>> Before treatment and tapering to
Colonzapam? I had been on 6-14mgs of
>>> xanex a day for over 10years
>>> I am sure this is why bidding get very many
visions.
>>> I plan to be off the colonzapam completely in
about 3 months and want to
>>> do another treatment
>>> Should I get the TA or HCL again?
>>> My boyfriend will probably watch me since my
favorite person in the
>>> world who treated me lives in a different
state.
>>> I heard the TA is more for visions,? and
HCL is more for the addiction
>>> is this true?
>>> Thanks for your continued help.
>>> Lotsof Love,?
  Val
>>>
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:06:43 -0800
From: Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] wanna say goodbye, wanna wish you
all nice
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Have a nice trip
  MiGo!
Love ya, Val
On Nov 30, 2013 7:39 AM, "Mi Go" <migoletto75 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> hey good people from the forum,
>
> first of all i really appreciate to be member of that
forum, first time i
> found a forum or people with a lot of knowledge about
that plant and
> medicine where im much interested in, its really hard
often to get any
> usefull information!
>
> i wanna say thx for all the replies and infos i got til
now and wish you
> all a happy xmas etc. etc. i dont know if i have any
inet connection there
> where i go, i have a doubt on that hehe, anyway i will
log in, as often its
> possible,
>
> stand strong and take care everybody, have fun and keep
up the good work,
> maybe you can sent me over some positive vibes every
often, i will
  do the
>
  same!!
>
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:09:01 -0800
From: Jeff G <jeffgallop at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] wanna say goodbye, wanna wish you
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Good luck...
Stay safe.
Freak Freely!
Peace
JeffG
On Nov 30, 2013 7:09 AM, "Mi Go" <migoletto75 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> hey good people from the forum,
>
> first of all
  i really appreciate to be member of that forum, first time
i
> found a forum or people with a lot of knowledge about
that plant
  and
> medicine where im much interested in, its really hard
often to get any
> usefull information!
>
> i wanna say thx for all the replies and infos i got til
now and wish you
> all a happy xmas etc. etc. i dont know if i have any
inet connection there
> where i go, i have a doubt on that hehe, anyway i will
log in, as often its
> possible,
>
> stand strong and take care everybody, have fun and keep
up the good work,
> maybe you can sent me over some positive vibes every
often, i will do the
> same!!
>
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:09:36 -0800
From: Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland
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Wow Eddie, You have a lot going on. When I was on Subutex my
depression got
really bad the 2nd year. I hope you continue to post on
here, and I will
keep you in my thoughts.
Lotsof Love, Val
On Nov 30, 2013 7:24 AM, "Eddie Caceres" <ebrvwarr at aol.com>
wrote:

> Hey Serg
>? Long story I'll try keep it short. Was an H
addict for some time used
> everything under the sun coke, ups, crack, acid, got
clean in 1990 ( rehab)
> after trying countless detoxes and col turkey. Stood
clean and sober thru
> 12 step programs for 21 yrs. Had an injury in my job
that required shoulder
> surgery. Didn't really abuse the meds
vics,Percocet. But the monster was
> released. And I'm hooked tried the done for a while
2mons 30mgs couldn't
> deal with that shit. So I tried
  this wonder drug subutex so I
  thought been
> on it since about 6months 2-3mg a day even though my
doctor wanted me on
> 8-16 a day. Can't tell you the world of depression
I'm in. But I've been
> researching ibo spoke to Buddy, Sister and the guy that
was on the Hbo
> program for ibo (vice). EKG was good but my liver is in
bad shape (hepc +)
> can't really afford to go to a clinic but most of
all I can't even break
> the news to my family. I've been hiding my
addiction. But we all know what
> doesn't come out in the wash comes out in the
rinse.lol. I truly respect
> you all on this forum and know what I have to do but
drugs and
> procrastination is a mother -ucker. And no one in a 12
step program would
> even understand Ibo so I don't mention it to them.
I consider myself a
> spiritual person and been relying on that a lot . Got a
good job good
> family but emotionally I'm falling apart.
Especially after
  experiencing all
> those years without using. This disease is brutal to
say the least. Hope I
> answered your question. Feel free to ask away I'm
open to suggestion. P.S.
> I've been working out a bit since my shoulder is
still messed up. I've been
> feeling better,my appetite is getting better and
started talking my
> vitamins again. I was big on that and had stopped. Or
one more thing I'm
> also a diabetic with an insulin pump. Love and respect
Ed.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 29, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Eddie,
>
> How do you relate to Ibo yourself?
> If you don't mind sharing.
>
> Wish you well
>
> Sergey
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM,
  Eddie Caceres <ebrvwarr at aol.com>
wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all. I'm Eddie been following this list for
a while I just don't
>> comment much. But respect you all. Just wanted to
share that on last nights
>> episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one of the
main character Hooked on
>> H and going thru bad wds so someone suggested
Ibogaine and they gave it to
>> him. At least Hollywood acknowledges it. Hooray.
Peace
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 14:45:53 -0500
From: Nyc Labret? <digitalcomponents at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland
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Yours is a more common AA/NA story than you may realize.

This is anecdotal but when I was in those rooms in the late
80s
  early/mid
90s anecdotal lore was that the highest suicide rate was
among those with
+20 years of sobriety.


On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Wow Eddie, You have a lot going on. When I was on
Subutex my depression
> got really bad the 2nd year. I hope you continue to
post on here, and I
> will keep you in my thoughts.
> Lotsof Love, Val
> On Nov 30, 2013 7:24 AM, "Eddie Caceres"
<ebrvwarr at aol.com>
wrote:
>
>> Hey Serg
>>? Long story I'll try keep it short. Was an
H addict for some time used
>> everything under the sun coke, ups, crack, acid,
got clean in 1990 ( rehab)
>> after trying countless
  detoxes and col turkey. Stood clean and sober thru
>> 12
  step programs for 21 yrs. Had an injury in my job that
required shoulder
>> surgery. Didn't really abuse the meds
vics,Percocet. But the monster was
>> released. And I'm hooked tried the done for a
while 2mons 30mgs couldn't
>> deal with that shit. So I tried this wonder drug
subutex so I thought been
>> on it since about 6months 2-3mg a day even though
my doctor wanted me on
>> 8-16 a day. Can't tell you the world of
depression I'm in. But I've been
>> researching ibo spoke to Buddy, Sister and the guy
that was on the Hbo
>> program for ibo (vice). EKG was good but my liver
is in bad shape (hepc +)
>> can't really afford to go to a clinic but most
of all I can't even break
>> the news to my family. I've been hiding my
addiction. But we all know what
>> doesn't come out in the wash comes out in the
rinse.lol. I truly respect
>> you all on this forum and
  know what I have to do but drugs and
>> procrastination is a mother -ucker. And no one in a
12 step program would
>> even understand Ibo so I don't mention it to
them. I consider myself a
>> spiritual person and been relying on that a lot .
Got a good job good
>> family but emotionally I'm falling apart.
Especially after experiencing all
>> those years without using. This disease is brutal
to say the least. Hope I
>> answered your question. Feel free to ask away
I'm open to suggestion. P.S.
>> I've been working out a bit since my shoulder
is still messed up. I've been
>> feeling better,my appetite is getting better and
started talking my
>> vitamins again. I was big on that and had stopped.
Or one more thing I'm
>> also a diabetic with an insulin pump. Love and
respect Ed.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Nov 29, 2013, at 10:36
  PM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Eddie,
>>
>> How do you relate to Ibo yourself?
>> If you don't mind sharing.
>>
>> Wish you well
>>
>> Sergey
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Eddie Caceres
<ebrvwarr at aol.com>
wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all. I'm Eddie been following this list
for a while I just don't
>>> comment much. But respect you all. Just wanted
to share that on last nights
>>> episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one of
the main character Hooked on
>>> H and going thru bad wds so someone suggested
Ibogaine
  and they gave it to
>>> him. At least Hollywood
  acknowledges it. Hooray. Peace
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 15:06:27 -0500
From: Jim Hadey3 <jimhadey3 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland
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Hi Eddie,

Yeah once you get hooked on opiates it does not take much to
get it
rekindled.? Since you used to use H you know what the
early symptoms of
  w/d
are and you will have cravings and have the urge; you could
say your back
to square one but this time it will be a little
different.? Most people no
matter how hard they try can not get off that wonderful Sub;
they got to go
to SAOs (short acting opiates - perks, codiene, oxy and
morphine) for 3
months they do an Ibo detox.? That is you take SAOs and
try to get as low
as you can get, but no Sub or Methadone for they are too
long lasting.? If
you try and skip the SAO step your setting yourself up for
failure.? That
is just what I have heard for I never been on Sub and glad.

Best,

? - JIM



On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Nyc Labret? <digitalcomponents at gmail.com>wrote:

> Yours is a more common AA/NA story than you may
  realize.
>
> This is anecdotal but
  when I was in those rooms in the late 80s early/mid
> 90s anecdotal lore was that the highest suicide rate
was among those with
> +20 years of sobriety.
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> Wow Eddie, You have a lot going on. When I was on
Subutex my depression
>> got really bad the 2nd year. I hope you continue to
post on here, and I
>> will keep you in my thoughts.
>> Lotsof Love, Val
>> On Nov 30, 2013 7:24 AM, "Eddie Caceres"
<ebrvwarr at aol.com>
wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Serg
>>>? Long story I'll try keep it short.
Was an H addict for some time used
>>> everything
  under the sun coke, ups, crack, acid, got clean in 1990 (
  rehab)
>>> after trying countless detoxes and col turkey.
Stood clean and sober thru
>>> 12 step programs for 21 yrs. Had an injury in
my job that required shoulder
>>> surgery. Didn't really abuse the meds
vics,Percocet. But the monster was
>>> released. And I'm hooked tried the done for
a while 2mons 30mgs couldn't
>>> deal with that shit. So I tried this wonder
drug subutex so I thought been
>>> on it since about 6months 2-3mg a day even
though my doctor wanted me on
>>> 8-16 a day. Can't tell you the world of
depression I'm in. But I've been
>>> researching ibo spoke to Buddy, Sister and the
guy that was on the Hbo
>>> program for ibo (vice). EKG was good but my
liver is in bad shape (hepc +)
>>> can't really afford to go to a clinic but
most of all I can't even break
>>> the news to my family. I've been hiding my
  addiction. But we all know what
>>> doesn't come out in the wash comes out in
the rinse.lol. I truly respect
>>> you all on this forum and know what I have to
do but drugs and
>>> procrastination is a mother -ucker. And no one
in a 12 step program would
>>> even understand Ibo so I don't mention it
to them. I consider myself a
>>> spiritual person and been relying on that a lot
. Got a good job good
>>> family but emotionally I'm falling apart.
Especially after experiencing all
>>> those years without using. This disease is
brutal to say the least. Hope I
>>> answered your question. Feel free to ask away
I'm open to suggestion. P.S.
>>> I've been working out a bit since my
shoulder is still messed up. I've been
>>> feeling better,my appetite is getting better
and started talking my
>>> vitamins again. I was big on that and
  had stopped. Or one more thing I'm
>>> also a diabetic with an insulin pump. Love and
respect Ed.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Nov 29, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Sergey Sibirian
<sibirianfox at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>? Hi Eddie,
>>>
>>> How do you relate to Ibo yourself?
>>> If you don't mind sharing.
>>>
>>> Wish you well
>>>
>>> Sergey
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Eddie Caceres
<ebrvwarr at aol.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all. I'm Eddie been following
  this list for a while I just don't
>>>> comment
  much. But respect you all. Just wanted to share that on
last nights
>>>> episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one
of the main character Hooked on
>>>> H and going thru bad wds so someone
suggested Ibogaine and they gave it to
>>>> him. At least Hollywood acknowledges it.
Hooray. Peace
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 15:15:46
  -0500
From: Jim Hadey3
  <jimhadey3 at gmail.com>
To: Ibogaine <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (no subject)
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Hi Serge,

Google? ?  reverse opiate tolerance? this is
the first page.

(opioids) Is it possible to reverse opioid tolerance? -
Bluelight
www.bluelight.ru/vb/.../637458-Is-it-possible-to-reverse-opioid-toleranc...?


Aug 15, 2012 - 25 posts - ?17 authors
I often hear people say the only thing that
  can reverse tolerance to
opioids is time without taking the drug, or that you can
only slow
  the
...(opioids) Using naloxone to counter tolerance 14 posts
May 11, 2012
DXM - The Opiate Addicts's Miracle Drug, PLEASE READ 25
posts Aug 18, 2010
NMDA antagonists for tolerance, a collection of the ... 25
posts May 5, 2010
Preventing/reducing opiate tolerance 25 posts Jul 10, 2007
More results from www.bluelight.ru

Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to opiate
analgesics in ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7454382?

by Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related articles
Five patients on chronic opiate medication to treat low-back
and leg pain
were determined to have developed opiate tolerance on the
basis of their
failure to ...
Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing Receptor
Sensitivity ...
www.drugs-forum.com ? ... ? DRUG-FORUMS ? Opiates &
Opioids?


Oct 11, 2008 - 26 posts - ?1 author
Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing Receptor
Sensitivity ... and can
prevent or
  even reverse the development of tolerance to opioid
...Tolerance
- Does tolerance never fully go away? 9 posts Sep 6, 2012
Combinations - Dandelion Root for Opiate Tolerance 2 posts
Jan 11, 2011
Addiction - Resetting a Kratom tolerance 26 posts Apr 8,
2010
Effects - Possible reverse tolerance? 10 posts Jan 28, 2010
More results from www.drugs-forum.com

Reversing Opioid Tolerance - Chronic Pain - HealingWell.com
Forum
www.healingwell.com ? ... ? Diseases & Conditions ?
Chronic Pain?


May 23, 2010 - 8 posts - ?4 authors
I have been using opioid (tramadol, hydrocodone and
oxycodone) for 6 years,
... Though there are drugs to permanently reverse tolerance
for ...
Changing concepts of opioid tolerance
www.painresearch.utah.edu/cancerpain/ch20.html?


What these classical studies showed is that tolerance does
develop to
opioid ..... are associated with dramatic reduction in pain
and
  rapid
reversal of tolerance.
Opioids, Cannabinoids, and reverse tolerance - Social
Anxiety Forum
www.socialanxietysupport.com ? ... ? Recovery ? Medication?


Nov 11, 2010 - 14 posts - ?8 authors
According to this research video, they found that THC can
synergize with
Opioids and decrease and even reverse opioid tolerance. I
got my ...
Does anything other than TIME lower tolerance? [Archive ...
forum.opiophile.org/archive/index.php/t-1447.html?


Feb 8, 2006 - 16 posts - ?11 authors
The drugs-Hydroxyzine(produces a rough "doubling"
of opiate effects ...
effectiveness AND the prevention/reversal of tolerance
through the use ...
[PDF]
Inhibition of opiate tolerance by non-competitive N ... -
Deep Blue
deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/.../0000783.pdf?...1?


by KA Trujillo - ?1994 - ?Related articles
The NMDA antagonists were found to inhibit the development
but not
  the
expression of opiate tolerance; i.e. they were able to
prevent but not
reverse tolerance.
This can prevent or even reverse opiate tolerance. It's
also an opiate ...
www.reddit.com/r/.../this_can_prevent_or_even_reverse_opiate_toleranc...?

Aug 4, 2009 - This can prevent or even reverse opiate
tolerance. It's also
an opiate potentiator and is not a controlled substance in
the U.S. but its
no longer ...
Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to opiate ... -
ScienceDirect
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0304395980900044?

by Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related articles
Mar 27, 2003 - Five patients on chronic opiate medication to
treat low-back
and leg pain were determined to have developed opiate
tolerance on the
basis of ...
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:42:39 -0600
From: star ray <earthshealing at hotmail.com>
To: "ibogaine at mindvox.com"
<ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] eddie
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Hey Eddie, I
  pretty much have the same story you do,? did some
crazy drugs when young, got pregnant and straight for 25
years.. had three surgeries, right knee, left knee (made it
through those with no pain pills and constant pain) Finally
the rotator cuff shoulder surgery was the breaking
point.? Had to take 1 vicoprophen to go through rehab,
and then started taking some daily.? I never have taken
a lot of anything but just enough to mess me up, been
battling with that for seven years and i have hep c.......I
have done ibogaine a few times and it always helped and also
helped my liver and reduced my viral load and enzymes.?
i am currently off a low dose of suboxone (.25 mg)? for
about 16 days,? just plain tired....anyway good luck on
your journey... are you still on subutex??? 
  
Val and junkboy.... what nice messages, you are the best
  
peace and love,? STAR

  ??? ??? 
  ??? ?  ???
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 20:32:35 -0500
From: Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland
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Hi Eddie,

I hear you.
20 years of sobriety is already saying a lot about you.
Every life story is unique, contrary to an opinion I saw
above, and a
person's suffering cannot be measured in comparison to
anothers.
That's my opinion.

Hep C and Diabetes are a big weight, I can only imagine.
So does that mean you cannot use Ibo?
There are compounds being isolated from Iboga, which are
BELIEVED to be
responsible for WD interuption.
MC-18 is one of those.
There's some interesting info about the subject on
Ibogamind.com
Very resourceful website: stands out from the rest FOR ME.

I wish you well Eddie,
  we'll talk more.

Sergey

On Friday, 29 November 2013, Eddie Caceres wrote:

>
  Hey Serg
>? Long story I'll try keep it short. Was an H
addict for some time used
> everything under the sun coke, ups, crack, acid, got
clean in 1990 ( rehab)
> after trying countless detoxes and col turkey. Stood
clean and sober thru
> 12 step programs for 21 yrs. Had an injury in my job
that required shoulder
> surgery. Didn't really abuse the meds
vics,Percocet. But the monster was
> released. And I'm hooked tried the done for a while
2mons 30mgs couldn't
> deal with that shit. So I tried this wonder drug
subutex so I thought been
> on it since about 6months 2-3mg a day even though my
doctor wanted me on
> 8-16 a day. Can't tell you the world of depression
I'm in. But I've been
> researching ibo spoke to Buddy, Sister and the guy that
was on the Hbo
> program for ibo (vice). EKG was good but my liver is in
bad shape (hepc +)
> can't really afford to go to a clinic but most
  of all I can't even break
> the news to my family. I've been hiding my
addiction. But we all know what
> doesn't come out in the wash comes out in the
rinse.lol. I truly respect
> you all on this forum and know what I have to do but
drugs and
> procrastination is a mother -ucker. And no one in a 12
step program would
> even understand Ibo so I don't mention it to them.
I consider myself a
> spiritual person and been relying on that a lot . Got a
good job good
> family but emotionally I'm falling apart.
Especially after experiencing all
> those years without using. This disease is brutal to
say the least. Hope I
> answered your question. Feel free to ask away I'm
open to suggestion. P.S.
> I've been working out a bit since my shoulder is
still messed up. I've been
> feeling better,my appetite is getting better and
started talking my
> vitamins again. I was big on that and had
  stopped. Or one more thing I'm
> also a diabetic with an insulin pump. Love and respect
Ed.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 29, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com<javascript:_e({},
'cvml', 'sibirianfox at gmail.com');>>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Eddie,
>
> How do you relate to Ibo yourself?
> If you don't mind sharing.
>
> Wish you well
>
> Sergey
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Eddie Caceres <ebrvwarr at aol.com<javascript:_e({},
'cvml', 'ebrvwarr at aol.com');>
> >
  wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all. I'm Eddie been following this list for
a while I just don't
>> comment much. But respect you all. Just wanted to
share that on last nights
>> episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one of the
main character Hooked on
>> H and going thru bad wds so someone suggested
Ibogaine and they gave it to
>> him. At least Hollywood acknowledges it. Hooray.
Peace
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 20:40:10 -0500
From: Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] wanna say goodbye, wanna wish you
  all nice
??? xmas, happy new year and everything!
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Mi go,

Mi go, mein freund!
Ich wunsche dir ein freuliche Weinachten und viel Spass!

Enjoy yourself and the new year.

Sergey

On Saturday, 30 November 2013, Mi Go wrote:

> hey good people from the forum,
>
> first of all i really appreciate to be member of that
forum, first time i
> found a forum or people with a lot of knowledge about
that plant and
> medicine where im much interested in, its really hard
often to get any
> usefull information!
>
> i wanna say thx for all the replies and infos i got til
  now and wish you
> all a
  happy xmas etc. etc. i dont know if i have any inet
connection there
> where i go, i have a doubt on that hehe, anyway i will
log in, as often its
> possible,
>
> stand strong and take care everybody, have fun and keep
up the good work,
> maybe you can sent me over some positive vibes every
often, i will do the
> same!!
>
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:51:53 -0800 (PST)
From: danielle yates <danielle6175 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "ibogaine at mindvox.com"
<ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Star, Val? and all
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Hello...
Star and Val thanks for the kind words, I've considered
Kratom. ?Right now it's a white knuckle ride with
nothing...other than a face plant before Thanksgiving.
?I'm under no illusions about how
  temporary my current state of "clean" will be if
I don't implement real, tangible intervention. ?All I
know is I'm taking bb steps...(as advised on this very
forum).

Also to those
  that shared your Thanksgiving thoughts I think you're
incredibly inspirational and I'm so, so, so very glad
that I don't have to be alone when facing major
obstacles that seem overwhelming. ?If it weren't for you
Trail Blazers I don't think I would even attempt such a
harrowing journey. ?
@ Eddie, Hello and nice to meet you.



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?? 5.
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?? 6. Anyone remember??? (Sergey Sibirian)
?? 7. Re: Homeland (Sergey Sibirian)
?? 8. Re: Homeland (Nyc Labret?)
?? 9. Iboga Vissions (Valarie)
? 10. Re: Iboga Vissions (leomroz24)
? 11. Re: Homeland (Eddie Caceres)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 11:43:53 -0700
From: junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]
  Iboganights
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jeffg,
im glad you posted being grateful. it helped me to remember
how grateful i
am to not have that damned monkey on my back anymore. this
list has helped
me a ton. thanks for everyone who has reached out and helped
me on my
journey from being a drug addicted crazy person to a clean
crazy person.
ibogaine is definitely a tool that has helped change my
life. it actually
did not FIX me.. it just helped me along on my journey.
?? ive learned that i have to do the work to help
myself, to find something
that fills that emptiness that is inside me that wants to be
filled
  with
drugs, self destructive behavior, and chaos. im working to
overcome myself.
its
  not an easy process, but so far has been totally worth it.
i like quick fixes. well, im learning that there there are
no quick fixes.
quoting from NA its one day at a time.
plugging away at my issues, trying to let go of beliefs that
are not
working, and letting other people into my heart seems to be
working for me.
other than a stint earler this year involving the emergency
room, morphine
and a take home script of perc's, its been good.
i want to say thank you to everyone on this list, everyone
who has emailed
me privately and chatted with me, my wife who can somehow
put up with me,
my NA group, and others who have helped take this broken,
sad, depressed
and desperate shell of a human being, and helped me to grow
into a person
who is healing and becoming whole again.
there is hope.
all it takes is a little work every day.
some support
some love.
some taking,
some giving
some compromise,
some
  pain,
some compassion
some random acts of kindness
and a letting go of hate, self loathing, pride, and thinking
you are the
cock of the walk.
your not.. just human like all the rest of us..
love you guys and gals..
junkboy


On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Jeff G <jeffgallop at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Saw this inside mindvox, thought it might be something
the list here would
> like to see.
> Sergey??
>
> http://iboganights.co.uk/
>
> And happy thanksgiving to all of you, I'm grateful
for you, this list, and
> for being unsprung from my methadone habit....and for
finally seeing that
> all the 'reasons' I had to be high were
basically full of shit.
> Sometimes I wish I didn't, but
  mostly I'm really glad.
> Peace
>
  JeffG
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 15:12:13 -0800
From: Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboganights
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Yes, Thank you too all who have helped me get clean and stay
clean.
Ibogaine was a big part in my recovery.
I have gone cold turkey plenty of times but once I had been
on Methadone
maintenance then Sub maintenance then methadone again then
Sub again all of
these maintenance for 12 years left me to afraid to detox.
If it were not for Ibogaine I would have never got off that
merry go round.
In order for me to stay clean I am going to an outpatient
program
  from
10-1pm then I go to a place called the Wellness Center from
1-5pm and it
gets dark so early now
  because of daylights savings it's already dark by
5pm,
I go home have dinner then go to bed, so my day is now full.
Before I could
not stop thinking about getting high, Now I am keeping
myself busy. You all
kept telling me but I was being lazy .
Thank you to everyone on this list. I could not have gotten
sober without
you.
Now I get to go on here to keep my recovery going with all
your help and
help others by sharing my experience. You can get off
Methadone! You can
get off Sub!
You don't need to go back to heroin and end up dying to
do ibogaine you can
use kratom for that short time. Then depending on how your
provider feels
detox from that or they might put you on a SAO for a couple
days. Then
Ibogaine!!!!!
Don't let the 3 months scare you.
Love you all.
Lotsof Love, Val
On Nov 29, 2013 11:28 AM, "junkboy" <junkboy64 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> jeffg,
> im glad you posted being grateful. it helped me to
remember how grateful i
> am to not have that damned monkey on my back anymore.
this list has helped
> me a ton. thanks for everyone who has reached out and
helped me on my
> journey from being a drug addicted crazy person to a
clean crazy person.
> ibogaine is definitely a tool that has helped change my
life. it actually
> did not FIX me.. it just helped me along on my
journey.
>? ? ive learned that i have to do the work to help
myself, to find
> something that fills that emptiness that is inside me
that wants to be
> filled with drugs, self destructive behavior, and
chaos. im working to
> overcome myself. its not an easy process, but so far
has been totally worth
> it.
> i like quick fixes. well, im learning that there there
are no quick
  fixes.
> quoting from NA its one day at a time.
> plugging away at my issues, trying to let go of beliefs
that are not
> working, and letting other people into my heart seems
to be working for me.
> other than a stint earler this year involving the
emergency room, morphine
> and a take home script of perc's, its been good.
> i want to say thank you to everyone on this list,
everyone who has emailed
> me privately and chatted with me, my wife who can
somehow put up with me,
> my NA group, and others who have helped take this
broken, sad, depressed
> and desperate shell of a human being, and helped me to
grow into a person
> who is healing and becoming whole again.
> there is hope.
> all it takes is a little work every day.
> some support
> some love.
> some taking,
> some giving
> some compromise,
> some pain,
> some compassion
> some
  random acts of kindness
> and a letting go of hate, self loathing, pride, and
thinking you are the
> cock of the walk.
> your not.. just human like all the rest of us..
> love you guys and gals..
> junkboy
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Jeff G <jeffgallop at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> Saw this inside mindvox, thought it might be
something the list here
>> would like to see.
>> Sergey??
>>
>> http://iboganights.co.uk/
>>
>> And happy thanksgiving to all of you, I'm
grateful for you, this list,
>> and for being unsprung from my methadone
habit....and for finally seeing
>> that all the 'reasons' I had to be high
were basically full of
  shit.
>> Sometimes I wish I didn't, but
  mostly I'm really glad.
>> Peace
>> JeffG
>>
>>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 15:24:05 -0800
From: Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Danielle
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Daniel, I don't know
  if you have looked into this but it is safer then
going on pills that will be abused and not to mention
expensive, or go to
heroin.
Kratomassociation.org
I know of
  a few people personally who are staying off Methadone this
way,
and I personally used it to help me get off Subutex, untill
I had a
seizure.? If you have a history of seizures high doses of
Kratom can make
you easily seizure susceptible.
Lotsof Love, Val
On Nov 28, 2013 5:33 PM, "star ray" <earthshealing at hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
> Wow Danielle, thanks for sharing your story....you have
been through
> alot... now personally i am not sure how long you have
to be off methadone
> to have a successful ibogaine treatment but i am sure
someone on this list
> knows... I think ibogaine is definitely a good idea for
you... whatever you
> do, if ibogaine is your plan, do not go back on
methadone or suboxone!!!!
>
> Happy Thanksgiving, gotta go , my son and i are bonding
over a
  movie
>
> LOVE and
  hang in there,? STAR
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 21:06:46 -0500
From: Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
To:
  The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboganights
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Jeff,

Very interesting!
I understand it's the guy's website,-David Graham
Scott,- the one who made
the movie "Detox or Die"

There's one thing I find funny.
At the "home" page, if you let the pics slide by,
the last pic to appear,
it's a guy, Iain.
But he looks like he just OD'd on smack and has foam and
like clouded eyes!
?
:D

I really respect that David Graham Scott character.
He's a smart fella, and he really put his Ibo EXP to
  everyones benefit.

Wish you well

Sergey



On Fri, Nov 29,
  2013 at 12:55 PM, Jeff G <jeffgallop at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Saw this inside mindvox, thought it might be something
the list here would
> like to see.
> Sergey??
>
> http://iboganights.co.uk/
>
> And happy thanksgiving to all of you, I'm grateful
for you, this list, and
> for being unsprung from my methadone habit....and for
finally seeing that
> all the 'reasons' I had to be high were
basically full of shit.
> Sometimes I wish I didn't, but mostly I'm
really glad.
> Peace
> JeffG
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 18:29:37 -0800
From: Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland
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Hi Eddie: )
On Nov 25, 2013 10:59 AM, "Eddie Caceres" <ebrvwarr at aol.com>
wrote:

>
> Hi all. I'm Eddie been following this list for a
while I just don't
> comment much. But respect you all. Just wanted to share
that on last nights
> episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one of the main
character Hooked on
> H and going thru bad wds so someone suggested Ibogaine
and they gave it to
> him. At least Hollywood acknowledges it. Hooray. Peace
> Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 21:38:03 -0500
From: Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Anyone remember???
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Hi crowd,

A few weeks ago I was researching all kinds
of molecules THAT REVERSE TOLERANCE.

Proglumide is a top example,
but there were much more.

All kinds of compounds that have different medical uses,
usually
not at all associated with substance abuse?

CAN ANYONE REMEMBER THE NAMES?
I would really appreciate since I lost track and can't
find any?

Thanks!

Sergey
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 22:36:35 -0500
From: Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland
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Hi Eddie,

How do you relate to Ibo yourself?
If you don't mind sharing.

Wish you well

Sergey


On Mon,
  Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Eddie Caceres <ebrvwarr at aol.com>
wrote:

>
> Hi all. I'm Eddie been following this list for a
while I just don't
> comment much. But respect you all. Just wanted to share
that on last nights
> episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one of the main
character Hooked on
> H and going thru bad wds so someone suggested Ibogaine
and they gave it to
> him. At least Hollywood acknowledges it. Hooray. Peace
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 22:46:19 -0500
From: Nyc Labret? <digitalcomponents at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland
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I edited out all
  the sideplots and posted the entire sequence here,
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rvyytmfum5pkl99/BrodyTreatedWithIbogaineOnHL.movfeel
free to pass along the link or download it.


On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Eddie Caceres <ebrvwarr at aol.com>
wrote:

>
> Hi all. I'm Eddie been following this list for a
while I just don't
> comment much. But respect you all. Just wanted to share
that on last nights
> episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one of the main
character Hooked on
> H and going thru bad wds so someone suggested Ibogaine
and they gave it to
> him. At least Hollywood acknowledges it. Hooray. Peace
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 23:48:22 -0800
From: Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com>
To: The
  Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga Vissions
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As most of you know I did not get very many visions during
my ibogaine
treatment which was a disappointment to me.
Since I did Ibogaine I have cut my Colonzapam intake in half
from 6mgs to 3
mgs.
Before treatment and tapering to Colonzapam? I had been on
6-14mgs of xanex
a day for over 10years
I am sure this is why bidding get very many visions.
I plan to be off the colonzapam completely in about 3 months
and want to do
another treatment
Should I
  get the TA or HCL again?
My boyfriend will probably watch me
  since my favorite person in the world
who treated me lives in a different state.
I heard the TA is more for visions,? and HCL is more for the
addiction is
this true?
Thanks for your continued help.
Lotsof Love,? Val
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 05:00:30 -0600
From: leomroz24 <leomroz24 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga Vissions
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So it did help you with the Benzo dt's? I have heard
from some people that
it does not take away the withdrawals from benzo and also I
have heard many
people getting rid of there addiction since it took them to
the root of why
they had anxiety to begin with. I have been on benzo's
for 7 years or so
and have cut my dose down to about 1mg per day, sometimes
less but I just
cant seem to kick these damn things.


On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com>
  wrote:

> As most of you know I did not get very many visions
  during my ibogaine
> treatment which was a disappointment to me.
> Since I did Ibogaine I have cut my Colonzapam intake in
half from 6mgs to
> 3 mgs.
> Before treatment and tapering to Colonzapam? I had been
on 6-14mgs of
> xanex a day for over 10years
> I am sure this is why bidding get very many visions.
> I plan to be off the colonzapam completely in about 3
months and want to
> do another treatment
> Should I get the TA or HCL again?
> My boyfriend will probably watch me since my favorite
person in the world
> who treated me lives in a different state.
> I heard the TA is more for visions,? and HCL is more
for the addiction is
> this true?
> Thanks for your continued help.
> Lotsof Love,? Val
>
>
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Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 23:30:26 -0500
From: Eddie Caceres <ebrvwarr at aol.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re:
  [Ibogaine] Homeland
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Hey Serg
Long story I'll try keep it short. Was an H addict for
some time used everything under the sun coke, ups, crack,
acid, got clean in 1990 ( rehab) after trying countless
detoxes and col turkey. Stood clean and sober thru 12 step
programs for 21 yrs. Had an injury in my job that required
shoulder surgery. Didn't really abuse the meds
vics,Percocet. But the monster was released. And I'm
hooked tried the done for a while 2mons 30mgs couldn't
deal with that shit. So I tried this wonder drug subutex so
I thought been on it since about 6months 2-3mg a day even
though my doctor wanted me on 8-16 a day. Can't tell you
the world of depression I'm in. But
  I've been researching ibo spoke to Buddy, Sister and
the guy that was on the Hbo program for ibo (vice). EKG was
good but my liver is
  in bad shape (hepc +) can't really afford to go to a
clinic but most of all I can't even break the news to my
family. I've been hiding my addiction. But we all know
what doesn't
  come out in the wash comes out i
n the rinse.lol. I truly respect you all on this forum and
know what I have to do but drugs and procrastination is a
mother -ucker. And no one in a 12 step program would even
understand Ibo so I don't mention it to them. I consider
myself a spiritual person and been relying on that a lot .
Got a good job good family but emotionally I'm falling
apart. Especially after experiencing all those years without
using. This disease is brutal to say the least. Hope I
answered your question. Feel free to ask away I'm open
to suggestion. P.S. I've been working out a bit since my
shoulder is still messed up. I've been feeling better,my
appetite is getting better and started talking my vitamins
again. I was big on that and had stopped. Or one more thing
  I'm also a diabetic with an insulin pump. Love and
respect Ed.

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 29, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
wrote:
> 
> Hi Eddie,
> 
> How do you relate to Ibo yourself?
> If you don't mind sharing.
> 
> Wish you well
> 
> Sergey
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Eddie Caceres
<ebrvwarr at aol.com>
wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all. I'm Eddie been following this list for
a while I just don't comment much. But respect you all.
Just wanted to share that on last nights episode of Homeland
on Showtime showed one of the main character Hooked on H and
going thru bad wds so someone suggested
  Ibogaine and they gave it to him. At least Hollywood
  acknowledges it. Hooray. Peace
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 13:15:42 +0100
From: Mi Go <migoletto75 at gmail.com>
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Subject: [Ibogaine] wanna say goodbye, wanna wish you all
nice xmas,
??? happy new year and everything!
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hey good people from the forum,

first of all i
  really appreciate to be member of that forum, first time i
found a forum or people with a lot of knowledge about that
plant and
medicine where im much interested in, its really hard often
to get any
usefull information!

i wanna say thx for all the replies and infos i got til now
and wish you
all a happy xmas etc. etc. i dont know if i have any inet
connection there
where i go, i have a doubt on that hehe, anyway i will log
in, as often its
possible,

stand strong and take care everybody, have fun and keep up
the good work,
maybe you can sent me over some positive vibes every often,
i will do the
same!!
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:26:43 -0500
From: Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga Vissions
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Val,
  Leo

Benzos addiction is by far the worst IN TERMS OF PHYSICAL
DEPENDANCY.
I'm not talking ADDICTION AS A WHOLE.
>From what I read and researched, Ibo does NOT reset
  benzo addiction.
And it makes sense, to me at least.
If opioids fuck with the endorphine system in our brain, the
benzos fuck
with
Our brains much more basic system: homeostasys and GABBA.
Homeostatys is basically a state of balance the brain has to
maintain at
any price between the "up" and "down"
states.
Between stimulation/action and depression/deactivation.
And this is exactly what delirium tremens is:
The brain has been long "down" stimulated by
alcohol, which also acts on
GABBA receptors.
So when a person abruptly stops drinking, the "up"
part of brain is active,
while the "down" waits for alcohol to do its job.
The result is a loss of balance in favor of the
"up", and delirium tremens
sets in.
Convulsions, hallucinations, and ultimately possible coma or
death...

With heroin/opioids, no matter the severity of WD,
there's no danger of
death.
With GABBA agonists, such as benzos and alcohol,
  there is.
All that to point out that benzo addiction is very serious
and in my humble
opinion, should NEVER be interrupted
But rather tapered down.
But then again, I'm no expert on benzo addiction,
although I've personally
witnessed two persons being brought to the hospital
In state of coma due to alcohol WD.
That pretty much shocked me so I did some research and NEVER
touch benzos.

Wish you well

Sergey


On Saturday, 30 November 2013, leomroz24 wrote:

> So it did help you with the Benzo dt's? I have
heard from some people that
> it does not take away the withdrawals from benzo and
also I have heard many
> people getting rid of there addiction since it took
them to the root of why
> they had anxiety to begin with. I have been on
benzo's for 7 years or so
> and have cut my dose down to about 1mg per day,
sometimes less but I just
> cant seem to kick these damn
  things.
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com<javascript:_e({},
'cvml', 'val.needis at gmail.com');>
> > wrote:
>
>> As most of you know I did not get very many visions
during my ibogaine
>> treatment which was a disappointment to me.
>> Since I did Ibogaine I have cut my Colonzapam
intake in half from 6mgs to
>> 3 mgs.
>> Before treatment and tapering to Colonzapam? I had
been on 6-14mgs of
>> xanex a day for over 10years
>> I am sure this is why bidding get very many
visions.
>> I plan to be off the colonzapam completely in about
3 months and want to
>> do another treatment
>>
  Should I get the TA or HCL again?
>> My boyfriend
  will probably watch me since my favorite person in the
world
>> who treated me lives in a different state.
>> I heard the TA is more for visions,? and HCL is
more for the addiction is
>> this true?
>> Thanks for your continued help.
>> Lotsof Love,? Val
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 07:34:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Jenks <chris at jenks.us>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] IBOGA SEEDS
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?? Dear Friends,

?? I'm in the middle of purchasing iboga seeds from
Emmanuel Lih. His price 
is typical, and one advantage is that his seeds come from
  cultivated 
plants so their harvest won't interfere with wild iboga
propagation. These 
were paid for October 22nd but shipping to South Africa is
very slow and I 
didn't suspect a problem until November 16th, when the
package had to be 
resent because of a problem at the Cameroon post office.
That problem made 
us even, since Emmanuel was hassled when picking up payment
because 
Western Union charged me dollars when I clearly specified
euros on the 
form.

?? From the start I intended to write a complete report
of my seed 
purchasing experiences once my transactions are complete,
but wanted to 
post what I have in response to this thread.

?? I don't recommend having the seeds come in the
pods because iboga seems 
to stay viable even when dried and the pods are likely to
spoil before 
arriving from Cameroon, or get unwanted attention from
customs. The 
viability of fresh but separated seeds from
  CerberusExtract.com has been 
over 50%.

?? There is a lot of recent information about growing
iboga on facebook if 
anyone is planning to study this seriously. If you want to
start with the 
discussions on my page my facebook id is chris.jenks.129

?? Yours,

? ?? Chris

On Thu, 28 Nov 2013, Valarie wrote:

> YES!
> 
> On Nov 28, 2013 12:33 PM, "Sergey Sibirian"
<sibirianfox at gmail.com>
wrote:
>? ? ?? Emmanuel,
> seeds to plant...
> Of course!
> I mean, I would love to,?
> but I don't want to impose or intrude?
> I'm kind of new here.
> 
> Sergey
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:45 AM, M. Emmanuel Lih
<kedjutimber at gmail.com>
  wrote:
>
>? ? ?? I have seeds harvested. Anybody needs to
plant???
> 
> 
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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 00:47:21 -0500
From: Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (no
  subject)
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Jim!

I just put a bright star next to this particular thread.
SO i can easily spot itpo
Honestly though, what you did, the research you carried out
is simply
priceless.
Or there is a price: HOURS OF MY TIME.

Plus, to be able to spot the right/mot relevant info is
nothing short of
serious skill

Thanks agsin.

Sergey

So I'm early grateful.
I'll go through every link


On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Jim Hadey3 <jimhadey3 at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> Hi
  Serge,
>
> Google? ?  reverse opiate tolerance?
this is the first page.
>
> (opioids) Is it possible to reverse opioid tolerance? -
Bluelight
>
www.bluelight.ru/vb/.../637458-Is-it-possible-to-reverse-opioid-toleranc...
> ?
>
>
> Aug 15, 2012 - 25 posts - ?17 authors
> I often hear people say the only thing that can reverse
tolerance to
> opioids is time without taking the drug, or that you
can only slow the
> ...(opioids) Using naloxone to counter tolerance 14
posts May 11, 2012
> DXM - The Opiate Addicts's Miracle Drug, PLEASE
READ 25 posts Aug 18, 2010
> NMDA antagonists for tolerance, a collection of the ...
25 posts May 5,
> 2010
> Preventing/reducing opiate tolerance 25 posts Jul 10,
2007
> More results from www.bluelight.ru
>
> Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to opiate
analgesics in ...
>
  www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7454382?
>
> by Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related
articles
> Five patients on chronic opiate medication to treat
low-back and leg pain
> were determined to have developed opiate tolerance on
the basis of their
> failure to ...
> Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing Receptor
Sensitivity ...
> www.drugs-forum.com ? ... ? DRUG-FORUMS ? Opiates &
Opioids?
>
>
> Oct 11, 2008 - 26 posts - ?1 author
> Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing Receptor
Sensitivity ... and
> can prevent or even reverse the development of
tolerance to opioid
> ...Tolerance - Does tolerance never fully go away? 9
posts Sep 6, 2012
> Combinations - Dandelion Root for Opiate Tolerance 2
posts Jan 11, 2011
> Addiction - Resetting a Kratom tolerance 26 posts Apr
8, 2010
> Effects - Possible reverse tolerance? 10 posts Jan 28,
2010
>
  More results from www.drugs-forum.com
>
> Reversing Opioid Tolerance - Chronic Pain -
HealingWell.com Forum
> www.healingwell.com ? ... ? Diseases & Conditions ?
Chronic Pain?
>
>
> May 23, 2010 - 8 posts - ?4 authors
> I have been using opioid (tramadol, hydrocodone and
oxycodone) for 6
> years, ... Though there are drugs to permanently
reverse tolerance for ...
> Changing concepts of opioid tolerance
> www.painresearch.utah.edu/cancerpain/ch20.html?
>
>
> What these classical studies showed is that tolerance
does develop to
> opioid ..... are associated with dramatic reduction in
pain and rapid
> reversal of tolerance.
> Opioids, Cannabinoids, and reverse tolerance - Social
Anxiety Forum
> www.socialanxietysupport.com ? ... ? Recovery ?
Medication?
>
>
> Nov 11, 2010 - 14 posts - ?8 authors
> According to this research
  video, they found that THC can synergize with
> Opioids and decrease and even reverse opioid tolerance.
I got my ...
> Does anything other than TIME lower tolerance? [Archive
...
> forum.opiophile.org/archive/index.php/t-1447.html?
>
>
> Feb 8, 2006 - 16 posts - ?11 authors
> The drugs-Hydroxyzine(produces a rough
"doubling" of opiate effects ...
> effectiveness AND the prevention/reversal of tolerance
through the use ...
> [PDF]
> Inhibition of opiate tolerance by non-competitive N ...
- Deep Blue
>
deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/.../0000783.pdf?...1?
>
>
> by KA Trujillo - ?1994 - ?Related articles
> The NMDA antagonists were found to inhibit the
development but not the
> expression of opiate tolerance; i.e. they were able to
prevent but not
> reverse tolerance.
> This can prevent or even reverse opiate tolerance.
It's also an
  opiate ...
>
www.reddit.com/r/.../this_can_prevent_or_even_reverse_opiate_toleranc...?
>
> Aug 4, 2009 - This can prevent or even reverse opiate
tolerance. It's also
> an opiate potentiator and is not a controlled substance
in the U.S. but its
> no longer ...
> Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to opiate ...
- ScienceDirect
>
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0304395980900044?
>
> by Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related
articles
> Mar 27, 2003 - Five patients on chronic opiate
medication to treat
> low-back and leg pain were determined to have developed
opiate tolerance on
> the basis of ...
>
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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 03:08:52 -0500
From: Randy Faulconer <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Homeland
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? ? ? Hello Eddie, your story sounds a lot
like..........................well......................all
of us. I went
through interferon for hep C, have had hep B twice, had
major colon surgery
for God knows what reason (I once did a gig with a colostomy
bag hanging
off of me and took a dump while playing the keyboard part to
Material Girl)
and thanx to this list I am still here to tell the tale. We
all hang
together and give each other all the love we can express
over the internet.
You are most def in the right place. Don't give up on
trying to find a way
to better yourself. I have never seen anybody with a liver
so bad that they
were refused an Ibogaine treatment. Heart problems? Yea that
will scare
providers away. But I have
  heard of people being yellow from liver problems
and still got
  healthy enough to do an Ibo treatment. Ask for help, take
milk thistle, talk to a liver expert, anything you can do to
get yourself
in a position to be able to get the help you need.

? ?  What do your liver panels look like? I'm
not saying that you should
ignore the blood work, just make sure that you get more then
one opinion
about whether you can handle an Ibogaine treatment. There
are some really
good clinics that have docs willing to work with problems
like this.Check
around, you might be surprised at just what is available to
you.

? ? ? ? I know, money is always the
biggest problem, just stick around here
and get to know people. Things just might come around for
you. Even if you
have to hang around here for ever, it could be worse, we
even make each
other laugh from time to time so what do you have to lose?

? ? ? ? ? ? ?  Peace Love
and
  The Underground
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ?  Randy
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? BiscuitBoy Blues


On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Eddie,
>
> I hear you.
> 20 years of sobriety is already saying a lot about
you.
> Every life story is unique, contrary to an opinion I
saw above, and a
> person's suffering cannot be measured in comparison
to anothers.
> That's my opinion.
>
> Hep C and Diabetes are a big weight, I can only
imagine.
> So does that mean you cannot use Ibo?
> There are compounds being isolated from Iboga, which
are BELIEVED to be
> responsible for WD interuption.
> MC-18 is one of
  those.
> There's some
  interesting info about the subject on
> Ibogamind.com
> Very resourceful website: stands out from the rest FOR
ME.
>
> I wish you well Eddie, we'll talk more.
>
> Sergey
>
> On Friday, 29 November 2013, Eddie Caceres wrote:
>
>> Hey Serg
>>? Long story I'll try keep it short. Was an
H addict for some time used
>> everything under the sun coke, ups, crack, acid,
got clean in 1990 ( rehab)
>> after trying countless detoxes and col turkey.
Stood clean and sober thru
>> 12 step programs for 21 yrs. Had an injury in my
job that required shoulder
>> surgery. Didn't really abuse the meds
vics,Percocet. But the monster was
>> released. And I'm hooked tried the done for a
while 2mons 30mgs couldn't
>> deal with that shit. So I tried this wonder drug
subutex so I thought been
>> on it since about 6months 2-3mg a day even
  though my doctor wanted me on
>> 8-16 a day. Can't tell you the world of
depression I'm in. But I've been
>> researching ibo spoke to Buddy, Sister and the guy
that was on the Hbo
>> program for ibo (vice). EKG was good but my liver
is in bad shape (hepc +)
>> can't really afford to go to a clinic but most
of all I can't even break
>> the news to my family. I've been hiding my
addiction. But we all know what
>> doesn't come out in the wash comes out in the
rinse.lol. I truly respect
>> you all on this forum and know what I have to do
but drugs and
>> procrastination is a mother -ucker. And no one in a
12 step program would
>> even understand Ibo so I don't mention it to
them. I consider myself a
>> spiritual person and been relying on that a lot .
Got a good job good
>> family but emotionally I'm falling apart.
Especially after experiencing all
>>
  those years without using. This disease is brutal to say
the least. Hope I
>> answered your question. Feel free to ask away
I'm open to suggestion. P.S.
>> I've been working out a bit since my shoulder
is still messed up. I've been
>> feeling better,my appetite is getting better and
started talking my
>> vitamins again. I was big on that and had stopped.
Or one more thing I'm
>> also a diabetic with an insulin pump. Love and
respect Ed.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Nov 29, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Sergey Sibirian
<sibirianfox at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Eddie,
>>
>> How do you relate to Ibo yourself?
>> If you don't mind sharing.
>>
>> Wish you well
>>
>>
  Sergey
>>
>>
>>
  On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Eddie Caceres <ebrvwarr at aol.com>
wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all. I'm Eddie been following this list
for a while I just don't
>>> comment much. But respect you all. Just wanted
to share that on last nights
>>> episode of Homeland on Showtime showed one of
the main character Hooked on
>>> H and going thru bad wds so someone suggested
Ibogaine and they gave it to
>>> him. At least Hollywood acknowledges it.
Hooray. Peace
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 03:11:12 -0500
From: Randy Faulconer <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (no subject)
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Jim is the man

Randy


On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 12:47 AM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>wrote:

> Jim!
>
> I just put a bright star next to this particular
thread.
> SO i can easily spot itpo
> Honestly though, what you did, the research you carried
out is simply
> priceless.
> Or there is a price: HOURS OF MY TIME.
>
> Plus, to be able to spot the right/mot relevant info is
nothing short of
> serious skill
>
> Thanks agsin.
>
> Sergey
>
> So I'm early grateful.
> I'll go through every
  link
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Jim Hadey3 <jimhadey3 at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Serge,
>>
>> Google? ?  reverse opiate tolerance?
this is the first page.
>>
>>
  (opioids) Is it possible to reverse opioid tolerance? -
Bluelight
>>
>>
www.bluelight.ru/vb/.../637458-Is-it-possible-to-reverse-opioid-toleranc...
>> ?
>>
>>
>> Aug 15, 2012 - 25 posts - ?17 authors
>> I often hear people say the only thing that can
reverse tolerance to
>> opioids is time without taking the drug, or that
you can only slow the
>> ...(opioids) Using naloxone to counter tolerance 14
posts May 11, 2012
>> DXM - The Opiate Addicts's Miracle Drug, PLEASE
READ 25 posts Aug 18, 2010
>> NMDA antagonists for tolerance, a collection of the
... 25 posts May 5,
>> 2010
>> Preventing/reducing opiate tolerance 25 posts Jul
10, 2007
>> More results from www.bluelight.ru
>>
>> Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to opiate
analgesics in ...
>>
  www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7454382?
>>
>> by Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related
articles
>> Five patients on chronic opiate medication to treat
low-back and leg pain
>> were determined to have developed opiate tolerance
on the basis of their
>> failure to ...
>> Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing Receptor
Sensitivity ...
>> www.drugs-forum.com ? ... ? DRUG-FORUMS ? Opiates
& Opioids?
>>
>>
>> Oct 11, 2008 - 26 posts - ?1 author
>> Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing Receptor
Sensitivity ... and
>> can prevent or even reverse the development of
tolerance to opioid
>> ...Tolerance - Does tolerance never fully go away?
9 posts Sep 6, 2012
>> Combinations - Dandelion Root for Opiate Tolerance
2 posts Jan 11, 2011
>> Addiction - Resetting a Kratom tolerance 26 posts
Apr 8, 2010
>>
  Effects - Possible reverse tolerance? 10 posts Jan 28,
2010
>> More results from www.drugs-forum.com
>>
>> Reversing Opioid Tolerance - Chronic Pain -
HealingWell.com Forum
>> www.healingwell.com ? ... ? Diseases &
Conditions ? Chronic Pain?
>>
>>
>> May 23, 2010 - 8 posts - ?4 authors
>> I have been using opioid (tramadol, hydrocodone and
oxycodone) for 6
>> years, ... Though there are drugs to permanently
reverse tolerance for ...
>> Changing concepts of opioid tolerance
>> www.painresearch.utah.edu/cancerpain/ch20.html?
>>
>>
>> What these classical studies showed is that
tolerance does develop to
>> opioid ..... are associated with dramatic reduction
in pain and rapid
>> reversal of tolerance.
>> Opioids, Cannabinoids, and reverse tolerance -
Social Anxiety Forum
>>
  www.socialanxietysupport.com ? ... ? Recovery ?
Medication?
>>
>>
>> Nov 11, 2010 - 14 posts - ?8 authors
>> According to this research video, they found that
THC can synergize with
>> Opioids and decrease and even reverse opioid
tolerance. I got my ...
>> Does anything other than TIME lower tolerance?
[Archive ...
>> forum.opiophile.org/archive/index.php/t-1447.html?
>>
>>
>> Feb 8, 2006 - 16 posts - ?11 authors
>> The drugs-Hydroxyzine(produces a rough
"doubling" of opiate effects ...
>> effectiveness AND the prevention/reversal of
tolerance through the use ...
>> [PDF]
>> Inhibition of opiate tolerance by non-competitive N
... - Deep Blue
>>
deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/.../0000783.pdf?...1?
>>
>>
>> by KA Trujillo - ?1994 - ?Related articles
>> The NMDA
  antagonists were found to inhibit the development but not
the
>> expression of opiate tolerance; i.e. they were able
to prevent but not
>> reverse tolerance.
>> This can prevent or even reverse opiate tolerance.
It's also an opiate ...
>>
www.reddit.com/r/.../this_can_prevent_or_even_reverse_opiate_toleranc...?
>>
>> Aug 4, 2009 - This can prevent or even reverse
opiate tolerance. It's
>> also an opiate potentiator and is not a controlled
substance in the U.S.
>> but its no longer ...
>> Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to opiate
... - ScienceDirect
>>
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0304395980900044?
>>
>> by Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related
articles
>> Mar 27, 2003 - Five patients on chronic opiate
medication to treat
>> low-back and leg pain were determined to have
developed opiate tolerance
  on
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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 03:19:54 -0500
From: Jim Hadey3 <jimhadey3 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (no subject)
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I saw that film you posted a
  link to and it was pretty good.? It was not
bad when you take it but when you come out of it maybe 20
hours later you
may feel rough or you may have the Ibo glow.?
  24 or so hours after you take
you don't feel that great but not that bad considering
you have just been
through a detox.? I put it like this you will go from
the worst flu in the
world to a bad cold.? When ya got a cold ya just gotta
hack it.

As far as being scared it is not a scared feeling like
spiders and snakes.
  I seen something I wanted to change and I asked that it be
changed and it
asked what to and I said whatever you think I need and the
vision changed.
  I am surprised the guy had a ECG done also he went from met
to Ibo which
can be pretty rough and sometimes dangerous.? I
believed he said something
about the QT syndrome can't say for sure.

Hey Sis? do you have any idea if a person has Prolonger
QT Syndrome how
long should you wait before taking to the hospital and how
would a person
know - just curious.? That was a nice video Serge
posted a link to, short
and pretty
  informative.? It did seem to imply that after a couple
of days
he was alright.? For me the effects lasted a good week
or two.? I am not
saying I was buzzing around but knew it would be better to
stay in the
house and not drive.? It also affected my eating habits
as cutting down 95%
on sugar like ice cream and cola mainly.

Best,

? - JIM



On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 12:47 AM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>wrote:

> Jim!
>
> I just put a bright star next to this particular
thread.
> SO i can easily spot itpo
> Honestly though, what you did, the research you carried
out is simply
> priceless.
> Or there is a price: HOURS OF MY TIME.
>
> Plus, to be able to spot the right/mot relevant info is
nothing short of
>
  serious skill
>
>
  Thanks agsin.
>
> Sergey
>
> So I'm early grateful.
> I'll go through every link
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Jim Hadey3 <jimhadey3 at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Serge,
>>
>> Google? ?  reverse opiate tolerance?
this is the first page.
>>
>> (opioids) Is it possible to reverse opioid
tolerance? - Bluelight
>>
>>
www.bluelight.ru/vb/.../637458-Is-it-possible-to-reverse-opioid-toleranc...
>> ?
>>
>>
>> Aug 15, 2012 - 25 posts - ?17 authors
>> I often hear people say the only thing that can
reverse tolerance to
>> opioids is time without taking the drug, or that
you can only slow the
>> ...(opioids) Using naloxone to counter tolerance
  14 posts May 11,
  2012
>> DXM - The Opiate Addicts's Miracle Drug, PLEASE
READ 25 posts Aug 18, 2010
>> NMDA antagonists for tolerance, a collection of the
... 25 posts May 5,
>> 2010
>> Preventing/reducing opiate tolerance 25 posts Jul
10, 2007
>> More results from www.bluelight.ru
>>
>> Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to opiate
analgesics in ...
>> www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7454382?
>>
>> by Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related
articles
>> Five patients on chronic opiate medication to treat
low-back and leg pain
>> were determined to have developed opiate tolerance
on the basis of their
>> failure to ...
>> Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing Receptor
Sensitivity ...
>> www.drugs-forum.com ? ... ? DRUG-FORUMS ? Opiates
& Opioids?
>>
>>
>> Oct 11, 2008 - 26 posts - ?1
  author
>> Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing Receptor
Sensitivity ... and
>> can prevent or even reverse the development of
tolerance to opioid
>> ...Tolerance - Does tolerance never fully go away?
9 posts Sep 6, 2012
>> Combinations - Dandelion Root for Opiate Tolerance
2 posts Jan 11, 2011
>> Addiction - Resetting a Kratom tolerance 26 posts
Apr 8, 2010
>> Effects - Possible reverse tolerance? 10 posts Jan
28, 2010
>> More results from www.drugs-forum.com
>>
>> Reversing Opioid Tolerance - Chronic Pain -
HealingWell.com Forum
>> www.healingwell.com ? ... ? Diseases &
Conditions ? Chronic Pain?
>>
>>
>> May 23, 2010 - 8 posts - ?4 authors
>> I have been using opioid (tramadol, hydrocodone and
oxycodone) for 6
>> years, ... Though there are drugs to permanently
reverse tolerance for ...
>> Changing
  concepts of opioid tolerance
>> www.painresearch.utah.edu/cancerpain/ch20.html?
>>
>>
>> What these classical studies showed is that
tolerance does develop to
>> opioid ..... are associated with dramatic reduction
in pain and rapid
>> reversal of tolerance.
>> Opioids, Cannabinoids, and reverse tolerance -
Social Anxiety Forum
>> www.socialanxietysupport.com ? ... ? Recovery ?
Medication?
>>
>>
>> Nov 11, 2010 - 14 posts - ?8 authors
>> According to this research video, they found that
THC can synergize with
>> Opioids and decrease and even reverse opioid
tolerance. I got my ...
>> Does anything other than TIME lower tolerance?
[Archive ...
>> forum.opiophile.org/archive/index.php/t-1447.html?
>>
>>
>> Feb 8, 2006 - 16 posts - ?11 authors
>> The drugs-Hydroxyzine(produces a rough
  "doubling" of opiate effects ...
>> effectiveness AND the prevention/reversal of
tolerance through the use ...
>> [PDF]
>> Inhibition of opiate tolerance by non-competitive N
... - Deep Blue
>>
deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/.../0000783.pdf?...1?
>>
>>
>> by KA Trujillo - ?1994 - ?Related articles
>> The NMDA antagonists were found to inhibit the
development but not the
>> expression of opiate tolerance; i.e. they were able
to prevent but not
>> reverse tolerance.
>> This can prevent or even reverse opiate tolerance.
It's also an opiate ...
>>
www.reddit.com/r/.../this_can_prevent_or_even_reverse_opiate_toleranc...?
>>
>> Aug 4, 2009 - This can prevent or even reverse
opiate tolerance. It's
>> also an opiate potentiator and is not a controlled
substance in the U.S.
>> but its no longer
  ...
>> Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to opiate
... - ScienceDirect
>>
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0304395980900044?
>>
>> by Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related
articles
>> Mar 27, 2003 - Five patients on chronic opiate
medication to treat
>> low-back and leg pain were determined to have
developed opiate tolerance on
>> the basis of ...
>>
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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 01:03:08 -0800
From: Valarie <val.needis at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (no
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Jim you do your homework! .
Sergie I must have missed the video Jim is referring to, can
you repost it
or just email it to me?? Thank you.
<3 Val
On Dec 1, 2013 12:39 AM, "Randy Faulconer" <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Jim is the man
>
> Randy
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 12:47 AM, Sergey Sibirian <sibirianfox at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
  Jim!
>>
>> I just put a bright star next to this particular
thread.
>> SO i can easily
  spot itpo
>> Honestly though, what you did, the research you
carried out is simply
>> priceless.
>> Or there is a price: HOURS OF MY TIME.
>>
>> Plus, to be able to spot the right/mot relevant
info is nothing short of
>> serious skill
>>
>> Thanks agsin.
>>
>> Sergey
>>
>> So I'm early grateful.
>> I'll go through every link
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Jim Hadey3 <jimhadey3 at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Serge,
>>>
>>> Google? ?  reverse opiate
tolerance? this is the first page.
>>>
>>> (opioids) Is it possible to reverse opioid
tolerance? - Bluelight
>>>
>>>
  www.bluelight.ru/vb/.../637458-Is-it-possible-to-reverse-opioid-toleranc...
>>> ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Aug 15, 2012 - 25 posts - ?17 authors
>>> I often hear people say the only thing that can
reverse tolerance to
>>> opioids is time without taking the drug, or
that you can only slow the
>>> ...(opioids) Using naloxone to counter
tolerance 14 posts May 11, 2012
>>> DXM - The Opiate Addicts's Miracle Drug,
PLEASE READ 25 posts Aug 18,
>>> 2010
>>> NMDA antagonists for tolerance, a collection of
the ... 25 posts May 5,
>>> 2010
>>> Preventing/reducing opiate tolerance 25 posts
Jul 10, 2007
>>> More results from www.bluelight.ru
>>>
>>> Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to
opiate analgesics in ...
>>> www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7454382?
>>>
>>>
  by Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 - ?Related articles
>>> Five patients on chronic opiate medication to
treat low-back and leg
>>> pain were determined to have developed opiate
tolerance on the basis of
>>> their failure to ...
>>> Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing
Receptor Sensitivity ...
>>> www.drugs-forum.com ? ... ? DRUG-FORUMS ?
Opiates & Opioids?
>>>
>>>
>>> Oct 11, 2008 - 26 posts - ?1 author
>>> Pharmacology - Opioid Tolerance: Reversing
Receptor Sensitivity ... and
>>> can prevent or even reverse the development of
tolerance to opioid
>>> ...Tolerance - Does tolerance never fully go
away? 9 posts Sep 6, 2012
>>> Combinations - Dandelion Root for Opiate
Tolerance 2 posts Jan 11, 2011
>>> Addiction - Resetting a Kratom tolerance 26
posts Apr 8, 2010
>>> Effects -
  Possible reverse tolerance? 10 posts Jan 28, 2010
>>> More results from www.drugs-forum.com
>>>
>>> Reversing Opioid Tolerance - Chronic Pain -
HealingWell.com Forum
>>> www.healingwell.com ? ... ? Diseases &
Conditions ? Chronic Pain?
>>>
>>>
>>> May 23, 2010 - 8 posts - ?4 authors
>>> I have been using opioid (tramadol, hydrocodone
and oxycodone) for 6
>>> years, ... Though there are drugs to
permanently reverse tolerance for ...
>>> Changing concepts of opioid tolerance
>>>
www.painresearch.utah.edu/cancerpain/ch20.html?
>>>
>>>
>>> What these classical studies showed is that
tolerance does develop to
>>> opioid ..... are associated with dramatic
reduction in pain and rapid
>>> reversal of tolerance.
>>> Opioids, Cannabinoids, and reverse
  tolerance - Social Anxiety Forum
>>> www.socialanxietysupport.com ? ... ? Recovery ?
Medication?
>>>
>>>
>>> Nov 11, 2010 - 14 posts - ?8 authors
>>> According to this research video, they found
that THC can synergize with
>>> Opioids and decrease and even reverse opioid
tolerance. I got my ...
>>> Does anything other than TIME lower tolerance?
[Archive ...
>>>
forum.opiophile.org/archive/index.php/t-1447.html?
>>>
>>>
>>> Feb 8, 2006 - 16 posts - ?11 authors
>>> The drugs-Hydroxyzine(produces a rough
"doubling" of opiate effects ...
>>> effectiveness AND the prevention/reversal of
tolerance through the use ...
>>> [PDF]
>>> Inhibition of opiate tolerance by
non-competitive N ... - Deep Blue
>>>
  deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/.../0000783.pdf?...1?
>>>
>>>
>>> by KA Trujillo - ?1994 - ?Related articles
>>> The NMDA antagonists were found to inhibit the
development but not the
>>> expression of opiate tolerance; i.e. they were
able to prevent but not
>>> reverse tolerance.
>>> This can prevent or even reverse opiate
tolerance. It's also an opiate
>>> ...
>>>
www.reddit.com/r/.../this_can_prevent_or_even_reverse_opiate_toleranc...
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Aug 4, 2009 - This can prevent or even reverse
opiate tolerance. It's
>>> also an opiate potentiator and is not a
controlled substance in the U.S.
>>> but its no longer ...
>>> Tryptophan loading may reverse tolerance to
opiate ... - ScienceDirect
>>>
  www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0304395980900044?
>>>
>>> by Y Hosobuchi - ?1980 - ?Cited by 55 -
?Related articles
>>> Mar 27, 2003 - Five patients on chronic opiate
medication to treat
>>> low-back and leg pain were determined to have
developed opiate tolerance on
>>> the basis of ...
>>>
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 23:46:50 -0500
From: Eddie Caceres <ebrvwarr at aol.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] eddie
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Thanks all for the kind words and the warm welcome. Yes Star
still on sub about 2-3 mg depends on my day don't want
to go above that. I've been since July ( sub). I
haven't considered IBO not because of my Hep c but my
finances and situation at home. Won't be easy breaking
the news to
  family. Love and respect to all

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 30, 2013, at 7:42 PM, star ray <earthshealing at hotmail.com>
wrote:
> 
> Hey Eddie, I pretty much have the same story you
do,? did some crazy drugs when young, got pregnant and
straight for 25 years.. had three surgeries, right knee,
left knee (made it through those with no pain pills and
constant pain) Finally the rotator cuff shoulder surgery was
the breaking point.? Had to take 1 vicoprophen to go
through rehab, and then started taking some daily.? I
never have taken a lot of anything but just enough to mess
me up, been battling with that for seven years and i have
hep c.......I have done ibogaine a few times and it always
helped and also helped my liver and reduced my viral load
and enzymes.? i am currently off a low
  dose of suboxone (.25 mg)? for about 16 days,?
just plain tired....anyway good luck on your journey... are
you still on subutex??? 
>? 
> Val and junkboy....
  what nice messages, you are the best
>? 
> peace and love,? STAR
> 
> 
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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 10:26:11 -0500
From: Jim Hadey3 <jimhadey3 at gmail.com>
To:
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Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] eddie
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Hi Eddi,

I and many other people took Ibo with Hep C and are alive to
talk about it.
  I know nothing about medicine but if your in mediocre
health I think you
will make it.? I did it 4 times and ta ta as you know I
am still around.
  Of course everyone is different, maybe you could find out
how bad you
liver is then make a decision.

Best,

? -
  JIM



On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 11:46 PM, Eddie Caceres <ebrvwarr at aol.com>
wrote:

> Thanks all for the kind words and the warm welcome. Yes
Star still on sub
> about 2-3 mg depends on my day don't want to go
above that. I've been since
> July ( sub). I haven't considered IBO not because
of my Hep c but my
> finances and situation at home. Won't be easy
breaking the news to family.
> Love and respect to all
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 30, 2013, at 7:42 PM, star ray <earthshealing at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Hey Eddie, I pretty much have the same story you
do,? did some crazy drugs
> when young, got pregnant and straight for 25
  years.. had three surgeries,
> right knee, left knee (made it through those with no
pain pills and
> constant pain) Finally
  the rotator cuff shoulder surgery was the breaking
> point.? Had to take 1 vicoprophen to go through
rehab, and then
> started taking some daily.? I never have taken a
lot of anything but just
> enough to mess me up, been battling with that for seven
years and i have
> hep c.......I have done ibogaine a few times and it
always helped and also
> helped my liver and reduced my viral load and
enzymes.? i am currently off
> a low dose of suboxone (.25 mg)? for about 16
days,? just plain
> tired....anyway good luck on your journey... are you
still on subutex??
>
> Val and junkboy.... what nice messages, you are the
best
>
> peace and love,? STAR
>
>
>
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