[Ibogaine] Nat Geo Drugs Inc.-Hallucinogens

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Fri Jan 20 11:25:12 EST 2012


I agree, Ed. I didn't find the episodes shockingly exploitive, who'd expect
NatGeo to produce an entirely balanced outlook but at least we've moved
light years from Reefer Madness and the propaganda tripe of the '60s ...
this could be seen as inching toward rationality.

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 7:06 AM, Edward W <edwardw at mtciep.com> wrote:

> btw...I think the Ayahuasca portion was done fairly well.
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> On 1/19/2012 7:52 PM, Matt S. wrote:
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>> I was home sick yesterday so I thought to try and watch this but I
>> couldn't find it.  But I torrented some earlier episodes and suffered all
>> the way through one and watched the first 10 or 15 minutes of two others
>> and all I can say is this show totally sucks.  A torrent for the
>> hallucinogen episode did finally show up today so I have it downloaded and
>> I'll try and watch it at some point but I don't have high hopes.  The parts
>> of this series that I did have the displeasure of seeing were horrible,
>> sensationalist tripe.  The heroin episode opens with this line "Heroin, the
>> most dangerous drug on the planet!"  and the MDMA episode opens with this
>> line, "Ecstasy, the most controversial drug on the planet!" and the crack
>> episode opens with this line, "From the slums of south america to the mean
>> streets of the USA, crack cocaine fuels crime and violence like no other
>> drug on the planet!"  And those are just the three episodes that I started
>> watching for fucks sake.
>>
>> They sensationalize absolutely everything and make no effort at all to
>> distinguish between what is an actual consequence of drug use and what is a
>> consequence of drug prohibition.  The extreme violence associated with drug
>> trafficking is not a consequence of the drug, or the effects of the drug,
>> its a consequence of prohibition.  There was a scene where some cop says
>> something to the effect of "You and I don't think something worth $20 is
>> worth getting into a shootout over or dying over, but to these people it
>> is."  And he says this while they are driving around using a CI to setup
>> dealers.  They have this whole paramilitary strike force that rolls in
>> after the dealer sells a rock to the CI and he mentions like three times
>> "these people's propensity for violence" completely unselfconscious about
>> the extreme hypocrisy in the fact that they swarm in with a whole army
>> throwing people to the concrete and jamming guns in their faces.  Gee you
>> think people respond with violence because you bring such extreme violence
>> along with the threat of spending the next few decades of their life in
>> prison?  All of this is a consequence of prohibition not any drug itself.
>>
>> If I were Dimitri and I had seen any of the previous shows I would have
>> said no effing way to the producers of this shit pile.  National Geographic
>> used to mean it was educational when I was a kid.  But then again the
>> learning channel isn't really about learning and fox news has nothing to do
>> with news either so who knows?  I am once again reminded that TV really is
>> a vast wasteland.
>>
>> Matt
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>> On 1/18/2012 7:51 AM, Edward W wrote:
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>>> Yes, that was a little scary seeing that clip with Dimiti's client
>>> looking like he was slipping away, overall I thought he had a decent
>>> showing, Dimitir explained his purpose very well.
>>>
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>>> edwardw at mtciep.com
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>>> On 1/17/2012 6:53 PM, star ray wrote:
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>>>> Good point!!!!!!  At least they showed both sides of LSD use, that is
>>>> encouraging.  could have done a better job with the ibogaine... hated to
>>>> see that mistake with treating methadone uses with ibogaine so fast... but
>>>> at least D admitted he made a mistake, bottom line, it can be a very a
>>>> complicated treatment
>>>> DUH, right  :)
>>>>
>>>> Star
>>>> > Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 08:30:13 -0700
>>>> > From: edwardw at mtciep.com
>>>> > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Nat Geo Drugs Inc.-Hallucinogens
>>>> >
>>>> > Cool star. It's interersting in the show where the DEA agent gets a
>>>> > unintentional massive dose of LSD and apparently is psycholocially
>>>> > damaged by it, and then in the last clip in the show, LSD therapy in
>>>> > Sweden. What's that saying....the dosage makes the poison.
>>>> >
>>>> > ___________________
>>>> > Edward
>>>> > edwardw at mtciep.com
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>>>> >
>>>> > On 1/16/2012 8:49 PM, star ray wrote:
>>>> > > if you have on demand, it is on there anytime to view, I am watching
>>>> > > it now
>>>> > >
>>>> > > of course, i am muti tasking....... :) star
>>>> > >
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>>>> > > Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 06:51:43 -0700
>>>> > > From: sivabud at gmail.com
>>>> > > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>>> > > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Nat Geo Drugs Inc.-Hallucinogens
>>>> > >
>>>> > > here you go jim
>>>> > >
>>>> > > http://channel.**nationalgeographic.com/**
>>>> channel/drugs-inc/episode-**guide/<http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/drugs-inc/episode-guide/>
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 6:37 AM, Jim Hadey3 <jimhadey3 at gmail.com
>>>> > > <mailto:jimhadey3 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Hi ED,
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Is there any chance it would be on thepiratebay or something like
>>>> > > that.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Best,
>>>> > >
>>>> > > - JIM
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Edward W <edwardw at mtciep.com
>>>> > > <mailto:edwardw at mtciep.com>> wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Anyone see tonights episode of Drugs Inc.-Hallucinogens, on
>>>> > > the National Geographic channel? Dimitri Mobengo Mugianis was
>>>> > > on the show. Pretty good show, although not without it's
>>>> > > overly dramatic narration. I think Dimitri had a heartfelt
>>>> > > showing. Also enjoyed the Ayahuasca portion as well.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > --
>>>> > > ___________________
>>>> > > Edward
>>>> > > edwardw at mtciep.com <mailto:edwardw at mtciep.com>
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