# [Ibogaine] Transitions | Unethical “Underground” Ibogaine Detox Treatment Centers

cbava108 at gmail.com cbava108 at gmail.com
Fri Jan 13 14:36:37 EST 2012

True, Emma but there is nothing in the post that indicates the patient
opted for an inexpensive provider rather that he was treated
at Transitions and the cost there is $7500. On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Emma Sachs <emma04406 at gmail.com> wrote: > There is no shame in trying to find inexpensive treatment either. Not > everyone has a lot of money. > > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:01 PM, <cbava108 at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Purportedly Transitions *is *a medical facility, my point is, how would >> the folks who received the frantic call from the wife know what went wrong? >> Apparently, the people who were called are in Cancun and the client was >> dropped at the San Ysidro point of entry, how would they know what went >> wrong? Beau Mason isn't a provider he's the financing behind Transitions >> and otherwise a salesman making remote referrals from the US. >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Sister <sistereboga at yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> CB.... I guess I see it as slander when no information is given. what >>> went wrong? Did anything really go wrong. Is all this only hearsay? >>> >>> *From:* Edward W <edwardw at mtciep.com> >>> *To:* The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com> >>> *Sent:* Friday, January 13, 2012 12:39 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] Transitions | Unethical “Underground” >>> Ibogaine Detox Treatment Centers >>> >>> amazing$7500...didn't know that Chris
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> ___________________
>>> Edward
>>> edwardw at mtciep.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/13/2012 10:35 AM, cbava108 at gmail.com wrote:
>>> > If you read it twice it should've been clear that the post wasn't
>>> > authored by a "client" but by another clinic who received a call from
>>> > the patient's wife asking for advice. Why would you expect this clinic
>>> > to know what went wrong at Transitions? And what in the post led you
>>> > to believe the "patient" was looking for an inexpensive treatment? I
>>> > believe Transitions charges \$7500 per treatment, that doesn't seem
>>> > cheap. Why would you consider the post slanderous?
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 5:15 AM, sister <sistereboga at yahoo.com
>>> > <mailto:sistereboga at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >    know the guy didn't like the food?  More information would of been
>>> >    helpful.  Nothing is said other then this guy is not in the
>>> >    Medical field?  So what happen that was terribly wrong?  Did he
>>> >    have a heart attack, resp. problems?  what?  did he just feel
>>> >    lethargy or never been thru wd before and has no idea what he did
>>> get?
>>> >
>>> >    medical field.  Something went wrong  but not willing to share
>>> >    what it was?  So much NOT said.  What I don't understand is why
>>> >    post such a negative article without anything of substance other
>>> >    then this guy is not working with Solo?  For all I know Dr Solo
>>> >    wrote this himself and just angry that another client got by him
>>> >    without paying 7500 to the doctor.
>>> >
>>> >    I am not saying the Doctor does not have the right to charge
>>> >    whatever he wants.  After all one does not go to medical school
>>> >    all those yrs to make minimal wage.  But really... what went
>>> >    wrong, what happen,  WHy did this guy need to go to the hospital?
>>> >      IT says nothing but slander in my eyes.
>>> >
>>> >    I do think that someone in the medical field needs to be present
>>> >    during the experience.  After all, the sooner one recognizes that
>>> >    someone is not compensating well, the sooner one acts the better
>>> >    the chances for the client.  For all I know this person came to
>>> >    Iboga straight from Methadone or suboxone, or lied to the provider
>>> >    about pass hx, lied about what meds he was on.  Just no way to
>>> >    tell since so little was told of WHAT happen.  So I think the
>>> >    article is crap.
>>> >
>>> >    We all have our choices to make.  NO one puts a gun to your head
>>> >    to participate in this experience.  NO one held a gun to this
>>> >    persons head saying " NO, you cant pay 7000 in stead of 3000 to a
>>> >    Non medical, non MD."  If its important that a MD be present then
>>> >    pay for it.  Your choice.
>>> >    Also when one treats in MX, it is not underground.  I have heard
>>> >    some terrible stories but no proof that it ever really happen.  I
>>> >    have heard that providers are cutting benzo doses in half and
>>> >    claiming that Iboga will take one thru Benzo detox safely.  I have
>>> >    heard that there are providers doing dope or addicted themselves
>>> >    as they provide after care to clients or worse providing tx
>>> >    themselves.  BUt have I seen this... NOPE.  I have even heard that
>>> >    there are providers out there that sell body parts to the black
>>> >    market when addicts die.  THat one really made me giggle.  I have
>>> >    been told by pass clients that there are folks out there in the UG
>>> >    that are willing to treat three at once.... really, how can you
>>> >    watch three at once?
>>> >
>>> >    I have seen clients come to Iboga and walk away gaining wt the
>>> >    first week after they receive this treatment, no WD symptoms but
>>> >    because they didn't walk away feeling like they did pre addiction
>>> >    say it didn't work.  Forget the fact that the addiction began
>>> >    30yrs prior.  Some actually think they are gonna feel like they
>>> >    are in their 20s when the spend from 20 to 50yrs of age doing dope
>>> >    going from the couch to chair for 30ys?  So again... what
>>> >    information did this article give anyone other then Beau is not in
>>> >    the Medical field?  Most providers I know are not in the Medical
>>> >    field.  I don't think Sarah is a RN or LPN but I do believe she
>>> >    offers a safe and complete treatment.  Not that I went there but
>>> >    so many have.  I have had clients lie to me about their hx... not
>>> >    mentioning that they are on Tegrotal or dilantin for a life time
>>> >    condition of seizures..fear it would knock them out of the
>>> >    treatment but then complain ......really folks, we are working
>>> >    with a group of folks that honesty is something that has been
>>> >    lost.  I for one did not mention to Rocky that I had MS in fear it
>>> >    would knock me out of the running.
>>> >
>>> >    It is so important to talk\research the provider you choose.  Ask
>>> >    what they did\do for a living prior and what medical training they
>>> >    may or may not have.  Be sure that MONEY is not why you choose
>>> >    them but you choose them because you feel safe, they know what
>>> >    they are doing, talk to others they  have treated.  IF someone
>>> >    claims to be a RN, Lpn, practitioner, MD, mid wife or what ever
>>> >    google them, be sure they actually have a Medical license, where
>>> >    they attended Collage.  So easy to do.  Every one that has ever
>>> >    had or have a license it so easy to find on the net.  IF its not
>>> >    there then I bet they don't have it and never has had it.  I know
>>> >    that anyone can look up my credentials.  I have given my RN
>>> >    license number out for them to look up on the net.  I went two yrs
>>> >    pre medical... that did not make me a MD or even close to one.
>>> >
>>> >    I am not saying the only quantified providers are in the medical
>>> >    field.  I have worked with MDs that I would not let swab my dogs
>>> >    throat, Nurses that miss the boat when it comes to any assessment
>>> >    skills.  I have heard folks that went to one semester and claim to
>>> >    be in the medical field.    I have read on this forum those that
>>> >    are providing and not know how to treat a low bld pressure or even
>>> >    what a resting BP\heart rate looks like. I also know that there
>>> >    are "clinics" that don't have a medical person with\in two miles
>>> >    of the clinic when the actual treatment is taken place but claim
>>> >    to have MDs working for the place.  The word CLinic does not mean
>>> >    what we are use to in the good ole USA.  That word is use very
>>> >    loosely.  That word does not mean a medical environment.  For me..
>>> >    when I went for my treatment I could of cared less if I saw a MD.
>>> >      I could of cared less that my providers had no medical
>>> >    background.  What I did expect was that my provider not be
>>> >    addicted to dope themselves.  Provide me with the safest they were
>>> >    able.  I could of care less if I died during the treatment, It
>>> >    would of been more humane then the slow death I was experiencing
>>> >    at my own hand.  I paid for my after care.  Sasha and Jessica were
>>> >    my aftercare providers and I was very well taken care of.  Sasha
>>> >    really stepped up to the plate when it came to food, Jessica was
>>> >    very in tune to my depression and gave me the time I needed to
>>> >    voice it.  Rocky, Mary and Christ checked my BP more then I felt
>>> >    it was needed but they knew more then I did at the time... I felt
>>> >    very safe during my process for sure.  I paid for it, it wasn't
>>> >    free.  It was my own fault that I didn't get boosters, I didn't do
>>> >    enough research.
>>> >
>>> >    So to those looking for a qualified provider... do your research.
>>> >      Ask for numbers of those that they have treated.  Talk to more
>>> >    then one.  I can write a beautiful testimony on how Sister treated
>>> >    me... even if I am Sister.  LOL  get the picture?  That old saying
>>> >    "you get what you pay for" I find so true.  I feel I did pay the
>>> >    price for a real clinic, a MD present but even without all of that
>>> >    I did walk away knowing that I had a chance to remain clean, if I
>>> >    choose too.  I still had a lot of work to do to help myself feel
>>> >    better.  I had severe lethargy, chills/sweats and depression.  I
>>> >    had to do the work myself to get thru this stage.  Iboga did not
>>> >    make me grow up overnight either.  Another thing I had to work thru.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >    So... that article told me shit.  Told me that the person went for
>>> >    the cheapest he/she could find and wanted Iboga to fix everything
>>> >    as many of us addicts do.  As addicts, we blame others for our
>>> >    choices, we want to take every shortcut there is avail.  We do NOT
>>> >    want to suffer emotional or physical discomforts.  I know this
>>> >    because I am a Addict and every addict I ever met has the same
>>> >    qualities.
>>> >    To me... that article sounds like a disgruntle client.  Went for
>>> >    the cheapest tx he could find then not happy with the outcome.
>>> >      For all I know this person expected to feel how he did before his
>>> >    addiction began that could of been 30yrs prior.  Never been thru
>>> >    CT or even a slow wean of his dope.  Has no idea what being dope
>>> >    sick feels like.  I am not taken up for thie Beau either.  I don't
>>> >    know, never met nor have I done any research on him.  Could be a
>>> >    person that had no intention of getting clean but only wanted to
>>> >    lower his tolerance so they could continue to dope on for less
>>> >    money.  I see the article as pure slander.
>>> >
>>> >    Sent by someone who missed way too many English classes.
>>> >
>>> >    On Jan 12, 2012, at 9:28 PM, Emma Sachs <emma04406 at gmail.com
>>> >    <mailto:emma04406 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>    not the first bogus provider and it won't be the last. I had a
>>> >>    horrible experience on Mexico.
>>> >>
>>> >>    On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 9:19 PM, Diboga SanFilippo
>>> >>    <diboga4 at gmail.com <mailto:diboga4 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>        *Transitions* | *Unethical* “Underground” Ibogaine Detox
>>> >>        Treatment *...*
>>> >>        <
>>> >
>>> >>
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