[Ibogaine] "Howard Lotsof"

Chris Jenks chris at jenks.us
Tue Dec 11 13:26:56 EST 2012


   Teensy update. Bob and Ken plan to meet with Norma tomorrow to discuss 
this project - the tombstone for Howard. I will post progress as it 
continues.

On Tue, 20 Nov 2012, Chris Jenks wrote:

>  Here it is a month later, and I am told that Norma did return home 
> successfully last night. I have been corresponding with Bob Sisko, who seems 
> determined to make sure that this project is completed, so I will post when 
> he has had time to work out the details, assuming he doesn't do so directly.
>
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012, Chris Jenks wrote:
>
>>  In case it seems like I've dropped the ball - I've been trying to reach 
>> Norma for the last two weeks, and today was told that she won't be back in 
>> New York until mid November. I didn't realize when we spoke at the 
>> conference that she would be traveling for so long. I will definitely write 
>> again in a month.
>>
>>  Chris
>> 
>> On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, cbava108 at gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm not at all concerned about whatever we've donated in the past, I'm 
>>> sure it went where it was meant to go. I only thought something like 
>>> indiegogo where a
>>> goal is set and current amount tracked would inspire folks to help reach 
>>> the target amount quicker.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Mindsalive <mindsalive at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>       Hi Chris - norma is still in Vancouver and currently spending a few 
>>> days with Sandra at the sunshine coast - she should be back home by the 
>>> end of
>>>       the week
>>> 
>>> Anwar
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy Note
>>> 
>>> Chris Jenks <chris at jenks.us> wrote:
>>> 
>>>    Sure. I'm pretty sure she got the money, but I haven't heard back. I
>>> just wrote to Bob Sisko, who stays in touch with her, asking if he knows
>>> when she expects to get home and asking to get us in touch by phone, since
>>> I didn't think to get her land line number (she doesn't use a cell). I've
>>> done everything I can think to do for now, so I'll write back when
>>> something new comes along, and I'll keep the embers lit this time.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, 8 Oct 2012, junkboy wrote:
>>> 
>>> > it would be nice to know if my contribution went to norma or if its 
>>> ended up lining someone elses pocket..
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Chris Jenks <chris at jenks.us> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >         I just mean, until Norma gets online it doesn't look like we can 
>>> make any more progress in this round of donations. I donated $100 
>>> yesterday, and
>>> >       probably the same amount about a year ago which I've lost track 
>>> of. When she gets back to us I'll do my best to post a consolidated 
>>> account of
>>> >       everybody's past contributions, and I hope to be able to clear the 
>>> air enough that we can feel comfortable moving ahead at that time. Sorry I 
>>> can't
>>> >       offer a clearer picture yet, but this is all I know for now.
>>> >         This is BCC'ed to Norma with all the other stuff. She'll have a 
>>> full mailbox to come home to. :)
>>> >
>>> >         Yours,
>>> >
>>> >           Chris
>>> >
>>> >       On Mon, 8 Oct 2012, cbava108 at gmail.com wrote:
>>> >
>>> >             Chris, I'm confused re the stalling at a $100, my wife & I 
>>> definitely donated some time ago, maybe it was prior to your involvement? 
>>> In
>>> >             any event, thank you for
>>> >             your efforts. Certainly this will happen.
>>> >
>>> >             On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Chris Jenks 
>>> <chris at jenks.us> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >                     Thanks for all your suggestions and interest. Right 
>>> now I am swamped with catching up on all the business from the week I took
>>> >             off to go to the
>>> >                   conference, but I am committed to staying on top of 
>>> this and completing it. First of all, I see no reason for me to personally
>>> >             collect any of the
>>> >                   donation money, since Norma herself has a perfectly 
>>> good paypal account. So my role here, which I offer and have negotiated in
>>> >             person with Norma, is
>>> >                   to be her public representative to connect her with 
>>> all sincere donors, and to protect her from negative interations which 
>>> could
>>> >             come from her direct
>>> >                   contact with the public. Whether these concerns are 
>>> founded or not is not my concern - that she thinks they are is good enough
>>> >             reason for me to be
>>> >                   involved. As soon as I start receiving replies to my 
>>> emails to Norma on her return home, I will immediately update the list on 
>>> the
>>> >             progress of this
>>> >                   collection. So far it has stalled with my own donation 
>>> of $100.
>>> >                     I will look into the Kickstarter and Indiegogo 
>>> systems when I find the time in the next few days, and I also plan to post 
>>> this
>>> >             invitation on
>>> >                   facebook somewhere. I appreciate all the goodwill here 
>>> and am happy to work with anyone who wants to facilitate the process. I'm
>>> >             not sure when Norma
>>> >                   is returning to New York but if email ends up being 
>>> slow at that time I will get her phone number and that should speed things 
>>> up.
>>> >             Thanks for being
>>> >                   patient and understanding, everyone, and thanks for 
>>> your past and present love and generosity.
>>> >                     This message too was BCC'ed to Norma.
>>> >
>>> >                     Yours,
>>> >
>>> >                       Chris
>>> >
>>> >                   On Sun, 7 Oct 2012, Vector Vector wrote:
>>> >
>>> >                   I have kind of the same question. I have donated 
>>> several times to "people soliciting donations for Dana Beal" over the 
>>> years, AFAIK
>>> >             whoever
>>> >                   asked for the
>>> >                   donations then went ahead and spent the money instead 
>>> of Dana ever getting any of it, the only way I have found to donate to him
>>> >             successfully
>>> >                   is by sending it
>>> >                   directly to his lawyer and skipping all the helpful 
>>> people in "the cause". With Norma there were several other attempts where
>>> >             somebody else
>>> >                   solicited money, if
>>> >                   what was said at the time regarding the amount of 
>>> money already collected vs. amount still needed was true, then thousands 
>>> of
>>> >             dollars of
>>> >                   donations over years of
>>> >                   time have all gone into somebody else's pocket.
>>> >
>>> >                   I don't doubt your intentions Chris, I am saying that 
>>> from the point of view of a person who wants to donate to a specific 
>>> person
>>> >             or cause,
>>> >                   when those donations
>>> >                   always go through a 3rd party, I have over the years 
>>> had very little luck doing anything except giving away money to those 3rd
>>> >             parties, without
>>> >                   the intended
>>> >                   recipient ever seeing a penny of it, or spending it on 
>>> something else.
>>> >
>>> >                   Is it possible to donate directly to a funereal home 
>>> handling the headstone and skip the 3rd parties or to donate directly to
>>> >             Norma?
>>> >
>>> >                   thanks.
>>> >
>>> >________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>>> 
>>> >
>>> >             _
>>> >             From: Matt S. <ibogamail at gmail.com>
>>> >             To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> >             Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 7:32 PM
>>> >             Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] "Howard Lotsof"
>>> >
>>> >             Hey Chris what happened to the money that was donated before 
>>> and how much did that come to?  My allowance is only $150 a month and this
>>> >             month's is
>>> >             spent and part
>>> >             of next month's as well so I have no money right now.  
>>> However I am working on my wife to see if we can donate some of our money 
>>> but she
>>> >             knows I
>>> >             donated $100 to
>>> >             this when it came up way back when and she understandably 
>>> doesn't want to donate to this if that money was used for something else.
>>> >
>>> >             Matt
>>> >
>>> >             On 10/7/2012 11:13 AM, Chris Jenks wrote:
>>> >             >
>>> >             >  I'm going to stay on top of this until it is finished. So 
>>> far I have paid $100 toward the $1800 myself, and one other donation is
>>> >             pending, which
>>> >             will be
>>> >             disclosed if the parties involved want it to be.
>>> >             >
>>> >             >  Your indefatigable friend,
>>> >             >
>>> >             >    Chris
>>> >             >
>>> >             > On Sat, 6 Oct 2012, Chris Jenks wrote:
>>> >             >
>>> >             >>
>>> >             >>  Hello folks,
>>> >             >>
>>> >             >>  During the Ibogaine Providers conference this week in 
>>> Vancouver my wife Dana and I had lunch with Norma, and I promised her that 
>>> this
>>> >             headstone
>>> >             which she has
>>> >             wanted to have installed for Howard at the Fair View 
>>> Cemetery on Victory Blvd in Staten Island for three years now would be 
>>> finally taken
>>> >             care of. I
>>> >             asked what
>>> >             the cost would be to install something appropriate and she 
>>> gave me the specific amount of $1,800 remaining to complete the project. 
>>> She
>>> >             hasn't wanted
>>> >             to come out
>>> >             on the list and ask for help because of the disputes between 
>>> some of the people here, so I offered to get anyone here who would like to
>>> >             help out
>>> >             connected with
>>> >             her directly. I will see this project through until it is 
>>> finished, and am determined to post pictures of the result for everyone to 
>>> see.
>>> >             If I have
>>> >             to fulfill
>>> >             this promise all by myself it might take until March for me 
>>> to come up with the money, but if we work together, Norma would be happier 
>>> if
>>> >             this could
>>> >             be settled
>>> >             this month.
>>> >             >>
>>> >             >>  Thanks everyone,
>>> >             >>
>>> >             >>    Chris
>>> >             >>
>>> >             >> On Mon, 14 May 2012, Chris Jenks wrote:
>>> >             >>
>>> >             >>>
>>> >             >>>  I tried coordinating this a while ago but without being 
>>> able to get an idea from Norma of how much still needed to be raised it 
>>> was
>>> >             hard to
>>> >             motivate others
>>> >             or even myself to make the ongoing donations I intended. I 
>>> thought maybe I wasn't the best person to be coordinating this, as maybe 
>>> Norma
>>> >             would feel
>>> >             more
>>> >             comfortable discussing this sensitive topic with someone 
>>> closer - or at least physically closer, who can actually visit her like 
>>> Bob
>>> >             Sisko does. I
>>> >             see no problem
>>> >             in continuing (resuming) to send the money to Norma's paypal 
>>> account, as long as we have an idea of what is still needed.
>>> >             >>>
>>> >             >>> Chris
>>> >             >>>
>>> >             >>> On Sun, 13 May 2012, Matt S. wrote:
>>> >             >>>
>>> >             >>>> Some time back a paypal address for Norma was posted 
>>> here for this purpose and I sent her some money and I know at least one 
>>> other
>>> >             person did
>>> >             too.  I guess
>>> >             I had thought this was already handled and/or that more 
>>> people would have contributed.  How much money is still needed do we know?
>>> >             >>>>
>>> >             >>>> Matt
>>> >             >>>>
>>> >             >>>> On 5/12/2012 7:59 PM, ARON KAY wrote:
>>> >             >>>>> lets make it happen!!! howard lives
>>> >             >>>>>
>>> >             >>>>> On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Diboga SanFilippo 
>>> <diboga4 at gmail.com <mailto:diboga4 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >             >>>>>
>>> >             >>>>>    From: Michael Kombi Mckenna- As some of you may 
>>> know, Howard
>>> >             >>>>>    Lotsof's grave is still without a headstone..I am 
>>> disheartened
>>> >             >>>>>    that the father of the Ibogaine movement be left 
>>> this way. If
>>> >             >>>>>    nothing else, out of respect for his wife and our 
>>> mother Norma,
>>> >             >>>>>    the community should come together and complete 
>>> this work. I have
>>> >             >>>>>    setup a paypal account out of 9 bleeker (yippie 
>>> museum) to accept
>>> >             >>>>>    funds for this purpose. The account is 
>>> events at 9bleecker.com
>>> >             >>>>>    <mailto:events at 9bleecker.com>. If you have any 
>>> questions please
>>> >             >>>>>    contact me at 211-677-5918 (yippie museum) or 
>>> events at 9bleeker.com
>>> >             >>>>>    <mailto:events at 9bleeker.com>
>>> >             >>>>>    The Bwitists here in NYC have already raised 
>>> several hundred
>>> >             >>>>>    dollars towards this goal..
>>> >             >>>>>
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