[Ibogaine] tried

Edward W edwardw at mtciep.com
Tue May 17 22:45:59 EDT 2011


No doubt true.

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On 5/17/2011 8:30 PM, James Forristal wrote:
> So fucking true!  This is a crazy world and it's hard to live in with 
> your heart front and center.
>
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Curtis Madison 
> <crownofthorns1313 at yahoo.com <mailto:crownofthorns1313 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>     I agree a lot w with you've said here, with ibo you've got most of
>     the providers
>     were all drug addicts to start off with before they saw the light.
>     They may or
>     may not be using, but the average drug addict isn't all that well off
>     psychologically speaking, sicker then most to begin with and most
>     people aren't
>     all that stable either, so you've got a group of people who are
>     kind of nuts to
>     begin with.
>
>
>     peace out
>
>
>
>     ----- Original Message ----
>     From: "cbava108 at gmail.com <mailto:cbava108 at gmail.com>"
>     <cbava108 at gmail.com <mailto:cbava108 at gmail.com>>
>     To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com
>     <mailto:ibogaine at mindvox.com>>
>     Sent: Tue, May 17, 2011 6:41:56 AM
>     Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] tried
>
>     J-boy, I think when a person becomes blinded by ulterior motives
>     they're often no longer thinking rationally and some providers and
>     people within the business have severe addiction issues that have
>     never been sufficiently dealt with and/or even actively using. You're
>     right though, a business run ethically would in the long run be a more
>     successful one, though we can see thousands of examples of
>     self-sabotaging business people who for unknown reasons ruin things
>     for themselves.
>
>     On 5/16/11, junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:junkboy64 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     > i didnt think of that.. i know there is shady people out there.
>     the part i
>     > cant understand is, its not that much harder to provide a good
>     product in a
>     > good environment than it is to rip people off.  if you provide a
>     good
>     > service and product, you get more clients and you can really
>     charge more in
>     > the long run... its strange to see people working twice as hard
>     to make 1$
>     > ripping people off, where they could do half the work and make
>     double the
>     > money providing good service. that has always boggled my mind..
>     you can rip
>     > people off for a little bit but what do you do when your name is
>     so messed
>     > up, you cant treat a junkie for free because they know you stink?
>     >
>     > On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:22 PM, Curtis Madison <
>     > crownofthorns1313 at yahoo.com
>     <mailto:crownofthorns1313 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>     >
>     >> That's been discussed here before afaik, there are a million
>     different
>     >> voting and rating systems out there, but it's not possible to
>     turn it into
>     >> a
>     >> fair ratings system that represents anything because how do you
>     keep
>     >> marketers from gaming the system and talking negative about their
>     >> competition and rating up their own products and services, how
>     do you
>     >> verify
>     >> that somebody  did ibogaine? clinics aren't allowed to release
>     patient
>     >> treatment info because of patient confidentiality so legally a
>     clinic
>     >> can't
>     >> corroborate who has been there or not.
>     >>     Without being negative, I don't think the profit motive
>     matters that
>     >> much, ibogaine is getting more out there and what's here now
>     isn't too
>     >> diff
>     >> from what was here back in the day. Howard was doing that with
>     the dora
>     >> weiner foundation and the patient rights form, only covering
>     the negative
>     >> incidents not the positive which were testimonials.
>     >>
>     >> peace out
>     >>
>     >> ------------------------------
>     >> *From:* junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com <mailto:junkboy64 at gmail.com>>
>     >> *To:* The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com
>     <mailto:ibogaine at mindvox.com>>
>     >> *Sent:* Tue, May 17, 2011 4:40:10 AM
>     >> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] tried
>     >>
>     >> would there not be a way to set up a review of treatment
>     centers with say
>     >> 1/5 or 1/5 stars (kind of like ebay's feedback) that would
>     allow you to
>     >> rate
>     >> different treatment centers on different catagories?
>     >> that way people could rate thier expeirences and not be singled
>     out by
>     >> name.
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:04 PM, <cbava108 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:cbava108 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     >>
>     >>> I've got an idea, why not mention providers and/or clinics
>     that have
>     >>> had few or no complaints of? Rather than ones that have had
>     several
>     >>> negative accusations because of the nature of the business I'd
>     imagine
>     >>> none would be entirely free of negative reviews. So to that, I
>     haven't
>     >>> heard anything bad and mostly good things about Rocky and the
>     Dream
>     >>> House, and none of the clients I've known who've been treated
>     at Jeff
>     >>> Israel's clinic here in Baja have had any complaints.
>     >>>
>     >>> I know that I've been accused of getting kickbacks from Jeff but I
>     >>> defy anyone to present evidence that would substantiate that I am
>     >>> anymore than a willing help with patients pre or post treatment,
>     >>> either by ferrying them to and fro, allowing patients to stay
>     at our
>     >>> home (without any monetary compensation or costs) and spending
>     time
>     >>> with patients. Certainly all that anyone will be able to come
>     up with
>     >>> is second hand gossip, smear or rumor.
>     >>>
>     >>> On 5/16/11, James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:psychonaut101 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     >>> > Now to interact on a higher level, go go gadget compassion,
>     empathy...
>     >>> LOVE!
>     >>> >  Maybe it world be better to serve the fucking root, world..
>     universe
>     >>> > we
>     >>> > work for/through with dignity please!
>     >>> >
>     >>> > On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Jim Hadey
>     <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com <mailto:jimhadey3 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>     >>> >
>     >>> >>
>     >>> >> @Fallen,
>     >>> >>
>     >>> >> Oh boy, one minute your talking about why be so
>     >>> >> polite, then I say I'm glad he is off and it's my fault,
>     >>> >> I'm the meanie?  It's my fault he went on and on
>     >>> >> and on.  You women are not his favorite people
>     >>> >> ya know.
>     >>> >>
>     >>> >>
>     >>> >> >>>>I did, Jeremy's strange rants were funny as
>     >>> >> hell (although.. I do agree about not wanting to
>     >>> >> scare off the new people..) <<<
>     >>> >>
>     >>> >> Well I am glad you liked them as most people,
>     >>> >> boys and girls, were sick of them.  He picked a
>     >>> >> fight with everyone on the forum - couldn't talk
>     >>> >> to him.  I  don't want him to go away mad but
>     >>> >> to just go away.  Why not write to your bud off
>     >>> >> line I am sure you can find something to talk
>     >>> >> about.  You can talk about his dick or his no
>     >>> >> good girlfriend in high school or the crazy
>     >>> >> police or the fact that 99.9999%  percent of
>     >>> >> all women are bitches and hos and his no
>     >>> >> good dad and his no good/then good Dr.
>     >>> >> Yea, you got all kind of neat and intelligent
>     >>> >> topics to choose from, lucky you.
>     >>> >>
>     >>> >> Oh, by the way, I do have the right to my opinion
>     >>> >> and if ya don't like it I guess you'll have to lump
>     >>> >> it.  Oh, it's not that bad, if you can handle Jeremy
>     >>> >> you can tolerate me, or should be able to, but
>     >>> >> never can tell, and it don't really matter if ya think
>     >>> >> bout it.  Hey your both young.... who knows he
>     >>> >> has been looking for a GF  and maybe...well
>     >>> >> who knows?
>     >>> >>
>     >>> >> Best,
>     >>> >>
>     >>> >>   - JIM
>     >>> >>
>     >>> >> --- On *Mon, 5/16/11, James Forristal
>     <psychonaut101 at gmail.com <mailto:psychonaut101 at gmail.com>>*
>     >>> wrote:
>     >>> >>
>     >>> >>
>     >>> >> From: James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:psychonaut101 at gmail.com>>
>     >>> >>
>     >>> >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] tried
>     >>> >> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com
>     <mailto:ibogaine at mindvox.com>>
>     >>> >> Date: Monday, May 16, 2011, 4:43 PM
>     >>> >>
>     >>> >>
>     >>> >> The aftercare comment was removed and apologizes for
>     shortly after it
>     >>> was
>     >>> >> put on the forum.  A sense of entitlement coming from the
>     shadow
>     >>> >> of superiority and laziness motivated that comment.  I'm
>     now working
>     >>> >> to
>     >>> >> improve this aftercare and to do lower cost treatments with
>     all the
>     >>> bells
>     >>> >> and whistles for those that may find it suits their needs
>     when wanted
>     >>> to
>     >>> >> be
>     >>> >> detoxed.  This place has been hurting for resources for
>     some time but
>     >>> it's
>     >>> >> now slowly forming into something pretty damned special.
>      Please be
>     >>> >> careful
>     >>> >> about the second hand information you get, it's easy to get
>     caught up
>     >>> in
>     >>> >> that drama of negativity and I know you are better than
>     that when you
>     >>> have
>     >>> >> your heart in tact.
>     >>> >>
>     >>> >> I love you,
>     >>> >>
>     >>> >> James
>     >>> >>
>     >>> >> PS.. rock out with your cock out Jeremy!
>     >>> >>
>     >>> >> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:56 PM, fallen eden
>     >>> >> <falleneden1 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:falleneden1 at gmail.com><http://mc/compose?to=falleneden1@gmail.com>
>     >>> >> > wrote:
>     >>> >>
>     >>> >> Heh and why are we so polite here to not share the names of
>     places
>     >>> >> that
>     >>> >> mess with people.. (Annie's first two treatments were at
>     the same
>     >>> >> place
>     >>> >> where that last death occurred with finding the guy dead in the
>     >>> morning,
>     >>> >> she
>     >>> >> was there in the middle of it. [Sorry Kevin W, you were
>     right the
>     >>> >> whole
>     >>> >> time, no harm done..].) Yeah I know but I've had SO MANY
>     PEOPLE email
>     >>> me
>     >>> >> for
>     >>> >> help after having *already* gone to one of a couple places
>     where their
>     >>> >> treatment is completely botched, and all the particular
>     people are a
>     >>> bit
>     >>> >> connected, I am getting to this WTF point because someone
>     should NOT
>     >>> have
>     >>> >> to
>     >>> >> look around like that so much and spend so much money for a
>     real
>     >>> ibogaine
>     >>> >> treatment. I've found myself saying things like, "You mean they
>     >>> >> flooded
>     >>> >> you
>     >>> >> with a couple grams of TA for METHADONE?" or "Wait so.. The
>     entire
>     >>> >> treatment
>     >>> >> house was EMPTY because the providers would ALL LEAVE to
>     get stoned or
>     >>> >> something???" Aftercare houses having NO FUCKING FOOD and
>     broken
>     >>> plates.
>     >>> >> What.. The fuck. Annie is very right about how low-lives
>     gravitate to
>     >>> it
>     >>> >> sometimes...
>     >>> >>
>     >>> >> But about Jeremy, again just shut up.. He's behaved
>     himself.. Jim, if
>     >>> you
>     >>> >> wanted to know why he wasn't banned for so long, it was because
>     >>> >> Patrick
>     >>> >> liked him so much, and me too.. he couldn't figure out what
>     to do with
>     >>> >> him,
>     >>> >> didn't want to just cut the guy off like that, it's cruel..
>     And I
>     >>> >> guess
>     >>> he
>     >>> >> also liked the fucked up humor like I did, Jeremy's strange
>     rants were
>     >>> >> funny
>     >>> >> as hell (although.. I do agree about not wanting to scare
>     off the new
>     >>> >> people..)
>     >>> >>
>     >>> >> On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 8:14 PM,
>     >>> >> <cbava108 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:cbava108 at gmail.com><http://mc/compose?to=cbava108@gmail.com>
>     >>> >> > wrote:
>     >>> >>
>     >>> >> @Jeff G. for anyone interested Annie was treated in Baja.
>     Should I
>     >>> >> duck
>     >>> >> now?
>     >>> >>
>     >>> >> On 5/1/11, Jim Hadey
>     >>> >> <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com
>     <mailto:jimhadey3 at yahoo.com><http://mc/compose?to=jimhadey3@yahoo.com>>
>     >>> >> wrote:
>     >>> >> >
>     >>> >> > Jeff,
>     >>> >> >
>     >>> >> > You are 100% right, I should not of done it.  I
>     >>> >> > guess all I can say is I am human and could
>     >>> >> > not resist.  He needs someone to talk to which
>     >>> >> > is why I suggest you could write to him off line
>     >>> >> > and he would have a email pal.  I don't have
>     >>> >> > hatred in me for Jeremy, I don't hope he gets
>     >>> >> > hit by a car, I just wish he would go somewhere
>     >>> >> > else and we all know people like that.
>     >>> >> >
>     >>> >> > Best to ya Jeff,
>     >>> >> >
>     >>> >> >   - JIM
>     >>> >> >
>     >>> >> > --- On Sat, 4/30/11, Jeff G
>     >>> >> > <jeffgallop at gmail.com
>     <mailto:jeffgallop at gmail.com><http://mc/compose?to=jeffgallop@gmail.com>>
>     >>> >> wrote:
>     >>> >> >
>     >>> >> > From: Jeff G
>     >>> >> > <jeffgallop at gmail.com
>     <mailto:jeffgallop at gmail.com><http://mc/compose?to=jeffgallop@gmail.com>
>     >>> >> >
>     >>> >> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] tried
>     >>> >> > To: "The Ibogaine List"
>     >>> >> > <ibogaine at mindvox.com
>     <mailto:ibogaine at mindvox.com><http://mc/compose?to=ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>     >>> >> >
>     >>> >> > Date: Saturday, April 30, 2011, 8:55 PM
>     >>> >> >
>     >>> >> > Jim
>     >>> >> >
>     >>> >> > Those were the first words I have seen from Jeremy in a
>     long long
>     >>> time.
>     >>> >> >
>     >>> >> > And after all that time you still have so much anger left
>     you felt
>     >>> the
>     >>> >> need
>     >>> >> > to spank him??
>     >>> >> >
>     >>> >> > Never said I like the guy or anything he ever wrote just
>     thought it
>     >>> cold
>     >>> >> to
>     >>> >> > not simply ignore his post especially in the context it
>     was written.
>     >>> >> >
>     >>> >> > Seems to have struck a nerve with you.
>     >>> >> >
>     >>> >> > Whatever ...
>     >>> >> > On Apr 30, 2011 5:37 PM, "Jim Hadey"
>     >>> >> > <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com
>     <mailto:jimhadey3 at yahoo.com><http://mc/compose?to=jimhadey3@yahoo.com>>
>     >>> >> wrote:
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >> Jeff,
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >> I raged once in the 8 or so years I have been here.
>     >>> >> >
>     >>> >> >> and it was at Jeremy.  I HAVE NEVER FUCKING
>     >>> >> >> NEVER REFEREED TO WOMAN AS BITCHES
>     >>> >> >> AND HOS, I NEVER SAID THAT 99.9999% OF
>     >>> >> >> WOMAN ARE BITCHES AND HOS, IN NICE BIG
>     >>> >> >> CAPS.  I NEVER WENT RAMBLING ON FOR
>     >>> >> >
>     >>> >> >> PAGES TALKING ABOUT MY DICK.  I DID NOT
>     >>> >> >> START A MOTHER FUCKING  FIGHT WITH
>     >>> >> >> EVERY MOTHER ON THE FUCKING FORUM
>     >>> >> >> INCLUDING THE MOTHER FUCKING DUDE
>     >>> >> >> WHO RUNS IT.  I NEVER......AH HELL WITH YA.
>     >>> >> >
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >> Now tell me Jeff, find once when I went on a rant.
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >> Read my posts and tell me when I disrespected
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >> anyone.  If you can not do that converse with
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >> someone who cares about your opinion.  Just so
>     >>> >> >
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >> ya know your in the minority - he is a jackass for
>     >>> >> >> lack of a better word.  If you like the guy so much
>     >>> >> >> why not write to him off line or talk to him on the
>     >>> >> >> telephone, you can ask him how he's doing.  You
>     >>> >> >
>     >>> >> >> can maybe Yahoo and talk to him and see him at
>     >>> >> >> the same time.  Or maybe you two could share an
>     >>> >> >> apartment together and you can teach him what he
>     >>> >> >> needs to learn.  Looks like he forgot his mannors,
>     >>> >> >
>     >>> >> >> you would think he would learn some kind of
>     >>> >> >> manners from the Simsons or Growing up Gotti
>     >>> >> >> or maybe Family Guy or something.  Yea, you
>     >>> >> >> can learn a lot from that guy.
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >> Patrick gives the people free latitude in what they
>     >>> >> >
>     >>> >> >> say or talk about.  In the years I have been here
>     >>> >> >> only two people were banned, one was a dummy
>     >>> >> >> who answered everyone's questions wheather
>     >>> >> >> they liked it or not and many were complaining.
>     >>> >> >
>     >>> >> >> The second was Jeremy and he should of done it
>     >>> >> >> much sooner and needless to say EVERYONE
>     >>> >> >> WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT JEREMY.
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >>   - JIM
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >> --- On Sat, 4/30/11, Jeff G
>     >>> >> >> <jeffgallop at gmail.com
>     <mailto:jeffgallop at gmail.com><http://mc/compose?to=jeffgallop@gmail.com>>
>     >>> >> wrote:
>     >>> >> >
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >> From: Jeff G
>     >>> >> >> <jeffgallop at gmail.com
>     <mailto:jeffgallop at gmail.com><http://mc/compose?to=jeffgallop@gmail.com>
>     >>> >> >
>     >>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] tried
>     >>> >> >> To: "The Ibogaine List"
>     >>> >> >> <ibogaine at mindvox.com
>     <mailto:ibogaine at mindvox.com><http://mc/compose?to=ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>     >>> >> >
>     >>> >> >
>     >>> >> >> Date: Saturday, April 30, 2011, 6:32 PM
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Jim Hadey
>     >>> >> >> <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com
>     <mailto:jimhadey3 at yahoo.com><http://mc/compose?to=jimhadey3@yahoo.com>>
>     >>> >> wrote:
>     >>> >> >>>>>> "I can't even type" <<<<
>     >>> >> >
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >> Good
>     >>> >> >>   - JIM
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >> thats so nice (not)  of you jim...was it really
>     necessary?? funny
>     >>> how
>     >>> >> some
>     >>> >> >> folks can rant and rave all they want here, and even get
>     encouraged
>     >>> to,
>     >>> >> >> and others well....
>     >>> >> >
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >> these were the guys first words here in ages and you find it
>     >>> necessary
>     >>> >> to
>     >>> >> >> give him a little kick while he's down....
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >> real kind of ya...
>     >>> >> >> jeff
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Jim Hadey
>     >>> >> >> <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com
>     <mailto:jimhadey3 at yahoo.com><http://mc/compose?to=jimhadey3@yahoo.com>>
>     >>> >> wrote:
>     >>> >> >
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >>>>>> "I can't even type" <<<<
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >> Good
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >>   - JIM
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >> --- On Tue, 4/19/11, Jeremy Spence
>     >>> >> >> <jlspence12 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:jlspence12 at gmail.com><http://mc/compose?to=jlspence12@gmail.com>>
>     >>> >> wrote:
>     >>> >> >
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >> "I can't even type"
>     >>> >> >> From: Jeremy Spence
>     >>> >> >> <jlspence12 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:jlspence12 at gmail.com><http://mc/compose?to=jlspence12@gmail.com>
>     >>> >> >
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >> Subject: [Ibogaine] tried
>     >>> >> >> To: "Mindvox"
>     >>> >> >> <ibogaine at mindvox.com
>     <mailto:ibogaine at mindvox.com><http://mc/compose?to=ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>     >>> >> >
>     >>> >> >
>     >>> >> >> Date: Tuesday, April 19, 2011, 10:23 PM
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >> I've just been detoxing
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >> "a lot"
>     >>> >> >> I "can hardly write"
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >> or type
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >> it hurts so bad
>     >>> >> >
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >> 15 plus dependents on "morphine like sub"
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >> All i can say is, "un real"
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >> "I can't even type"
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >>
>     >>> >> >> Jeremy L Spence
>     >>>
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>     >>> >> (][%]  :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine ::
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