[Ibogaine] Jim's responce/Gary
edwardw at mtciep.com
Thu May 12 10:33:58 EDT 2011
I have to say that Antabuse did help me stay away from alcohol, while on
the it, I was always afraid of what the effects would be if I did even
drink a drop of alcohol. I realize it's only a short term deterrent.
It seemed Campral(Acamposate) was effective for alcohol cravings.
Didn't mean to break the flow Randy, just my small experience with alcohol.
edwardw at mtciep.com
On 5/12/2011 8:26 AM, Randy Faulconer wrote:
> Hi Jasen, you still my brother??
> I too have tried the nal thing. I did a kind of poor man's
> rapid detox in the hospital. The doc was in recovery and was really
> trying to help me. I knew him from the rooms so I guess he meant well.
> I was coming off of Oxy's in 96. This was before I knew about Ibogaine
> by the way.
> Anyway, he told me he wanted to try something, explained what
> it was he wanted to do, then gave me some nal and a hand full of pheno
> barb and serax. I don't think that I ever felt worse in a hospital
> detox. They kept me so fucked up on all of the downers that I was
> cross eyed for days. After a week of this the doc comes to me and says
> " I think that this worked". Hooray!!!!!.............yea right, I was
> so sick that I went straight from the hospital and copped 5 80's to
> get over the nal in my system and went to work. NOT, I was still sick
> for days and now I can't even do enough dope to get over the nal. God
> knows I tried.
> I guess what I'm tryin' to say is, even if the doc you have
> likes you and really wants to help most of those guys don't know DICK
> about addiction and even less about what nal does to your body. It's
> like trying to put a bandage on a bullet wound to treat an addict with
> that shit. Same for antibuse for alcohol. Been there too. The only way
> that I know of that really works is to do an Ibo treatment, treat the
> PAWS symptomatically, and get some good aftercare going. Even with
> Ibogaine you have to be ready for the PAWS. Ibogaine cuts out a whole
> lot of suffering, but you will still be a little sick. Boosters help a
> lot but still you have to have some way to deal with the shit that
> will be in your head. Everybody wants a quick way out, that's only
> natural. It just aint so, not that I know of anyway.
> Peace Love and Immodium
> BiscuitBoy Blues
> On 5/9/11, Jasen happy<jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> Hello Gary,
>> Jim has made some great and very true comments.
>> I saw my brother try and come off Suboxne and try to go onto Naltrexone so
>> would not have any cravings and stay free. He did the normal thing of
>> down to 2mg's then being off his tablet for 3 to 4 days. He went into the
>> very excited about not being in withdrawal and excited that this was it...go
>> onto Naltrexone and no more opiates and even better no cravings for
>> opiates..Wow! How very cool....until..the doctor said to be sure he would
>> to inject my brother with Narcaine to make sure there was no more opiates
>> his system.
>> The doc injected him with the Narcain and left us for a few minutes and
>> I remember my brother after a few minutes saying wow, this is great,( he was
>> sooo excited after 20 years of addiction ) it's all out of my system and now
>> can keep it out with Naltrexone...HOWEVER as Jim said the Narcaine would not
>> was not strong enough to get that very stubborn Suboxone off the receptors.
>> doc gave my brother some tablet form Naltrexone ( so glad it wasn't an
>> to take home. We went to my place and he had his first dose of Naltrexone
>> orally, he went into severe withdrawal, I had seen him in withdrawal before
>> not like this. He put up with it for 24 hours, shat the bed, was in a pool
>> sweat ect ect. As strong and determined as he was he got up with a balnket
>> around him and said to me,"Jase, I can't do this man, not like this, you
>> have to
>> get me something". That was that.
>> Be very careful when going onto Naltrexone especially from Beup, Suboxone,
>> Subutex. As far as I have heard and seen, it's not that Naltrexone stops the
>> cravings, basically it's more that if you use opiates you will not feel
>> I have known quite a few people who when using opiates didn't use speed
>> started doing so when they had the Naltrexone implant because they still
>> something. This is one of the good things about Iboga/Ibogaine is it can
>> SOMETHIMES help with dealing with some of those issues that contribute to us
>> chasing something to fill the missing peice which a lot of the times is
>> The missing peice is peace. I have also known people after a full blown
>> treatment to still have cravings, though diminshed still had them. Other
>> who had no cravings at all and even at the thought of using opiates made
>> There are no gaurantees with Iboga/Ibogaine. You can be sure though that 99%
>> the time it will take away at least 80% of the withdrawal, sometimes all the
>> withdralwal and calm the cravings down, nothing else does.
>> As most of us know it shouldn't be said that if you have Iboga/Ibogaine
>> everything will be alright. You definatley need to know what you will be
>> post Iboga/Ibogaine and expect to feel some discomfort for at least a few
>> sometimes weeks and sometimes months if you have been using for a very long
>> and you are on methadone. However it is a wonderful and remarkable medicine
>> helps us to and gives us a very good chance to become free.
>> It is the best thing I have ever done and would always highly reccomend it,
>> just wouldn't over sell it with my enthusiasm as I did when I first had it.
>> is quite marvelous.
>> Save the Iboga trees, Save Dana : ) and remember Norma Lotsof wife of the
>> Howard Lotsof.
>> From: Jim Hadey<jimhadey3 at yahoo.com>
>> To: The Ibogaine List<ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Thu, 28 April, 2011 12:10:36 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine and naltrelone
>> Hi Gary,
>> You were doing so good too, it is not my place
>> to bitch at ya it's just kind of a shame as were we
>> all rooting fer ya. Anyway listen Very carefully to
>> what I am gonna tell ya. With large amounts of
>> heroin use you must wait at the very least 14
>> to 21 one days. I took nal after the Narcan
>> challenge where they give you a shot of Narcan
>> and if you go into wd it is only 4 hours. If you
>> take Naltraxon too soon you will be in
>> Extreme wd for a day or two but it will seem
>> much longer. I was using heroin heavily and
>> took Nal on day 20 and all was fine.Now, if your
>> on sub it very well could take longer. Now they
>> give you a Narcan challenge and everything
>> goes fine for the sub is warped around several
>> receptors - Very tightly. So tightly the Narcan
>> can not do it's wd thing. Then you go and take
>> the Naltraxon and the Nal kicks the sub off the
>> receptors or out numbers the sub molecules
>> and you will have the worst wd of your life.
>> What I am saying is be Very careful I re posted
>> a story about the same thing happening
>> to a guy, he passed the Narcan challenge but
>> got his ass severely kicked for a day or two
>> and was on sub.
>> I don't want to see this happen to you. Before
>> dropping the Nal maybe take it a speck at a
>> time every two hours. BTW, did you try taking
>> the RB to fight off paws or did it just do ya in
>> after a while? Yea, it wears ya down, tired no
>> energy, can't take it anymore. There is no such
>> thing as a pain free detox as it is going to hurt
>> and ....well make ya feel like crap for a while
>> sometimes 6 months from met. I had cravings
>> for years and years. Anyway try again when your
>> able, what else can ya do?
>> I just reread you post and you say:
>>>>> Anyone have any thoughts on
>> using some rb maybe the day after
>> my last mst dose and then start the
>> nal the next day?<<<
>> You DO NOT take mst (I take it that's the
>> same as MS Contin, right?) and take Nal
>> the next day. You should never take
>> Nal if you have used opiates in the last
>> 21 days. I took a speck of nal seven
>> days after I shot a dime of smack. One
>> hour later I had a loose shit, the wd kind,
>> but that was all there was to it. I took
>> maybe a 10th or 20th of the tab hard to
>> tell. But if you take an opiate one day
>> and Nal the next plan to be home and go
>> through hell. Also, let us know how it
>> goes for you might be able to help
>> someone else who might do the same
>> thing. If your psch wants to give you
>> ms contin then switch you to sub - don't.
>> That is backwards, ask anybody. You can
>> drop to 2mg of sub and can go no lower
>> from the stories of many people on this
>> Best of Luck,
>> - JIM
>> --- On Wed, 4/27/11, Sister<sisterwind at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> From: Sister<sisterwind at verizon.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine and naltrelone
>>> To: "The Ibogaine List"<ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 8:21 AM
>>> Gary... not sure I understand... What also causes paws? The rb or the
>>> I do have a few questions. What else have you done for your soberity other
>>> the iboga? Any support system in place? Did you increase exceriseing or
>>> anything? I have to admit... I never had anyone tell me that they didnt
>>> relief from the craving by doing a full flood. I also have to admit I have
>>> been involved with this plant for about a yr so I havent seen it all. I
>>> never had anyone tell me that I wittiness a flood dose that they still have
>>> cravings. Now some have said they only got 3 mo of relief but never came
>>> the gate with cravings.
>>> This makes me wonder a few things but.... I guess mainly what else have you
>>> for yourself.
>>> I know for me and my 35 plus yrs of using depending on iboga alone landed
>>> failure. I had to step up and out of my comfort zone. This meant asking
>>> help, sharing with others, allowing others to help me. BIG changes in my
>>> etc. But if your depending on Iboga alone then I dont have all that much
>>> for success. Iboga is wonderful, best plan of action I know of but that
>>> is for sure not enough.
>>> I also had lingering symptoms of wd. I had the chill in my arms that
>>> lasted a
>>> good mo or longer. It was not very intense but for sure there. I just
>>> figured that after 35 yr of continuesly putting some sort of opiate in my
>>> to function that I couldnt ask for more then what I got.
>>> I also needed that second tx badly.... that second tx for me made all the
>>> difference. After my first tx I didnt get boosters or did I even know
>>> about rb.. I do think it would of made a difference but it is what it is.
>>> ANyways... going back to dope is a choice for sure. Just not one that I
>>> for me. I hate to see someone give up and give in to it. It is the
>>> easiest way
>>> for sure.... wont have to grow up but for this addict it is NOT a choice.
>>> know what will happen so I am willing to do whatever it takes to keep what
>>> have now.
>>> --- On Tue, 4/26/11, Gary<sidskidpiercing at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> From: Gary<sidskidpiercing at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine and naltrelone
>>>> To: "The Ibogaine List"<ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>>> Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 4:54 PM
>>>> Hi all.
>>>> I have a question regarding my latest attempt at detox...
>>>> My psych has agreed to a taper me with mst (slow release morphine
>>>> sulphate) - a
>>>> rare opportunity over here. You can normally only get prescribed morphine
>>>> via a
>>>> private doctor/prescription
>>>> So the plan is to stabilise me on the morphine and reduce it over around
>>>> months. At the end I'm going to get oral naltrexone.
>>>> Unfortunately ibo didn't work for me when it came to cravings and paws.
>>>> I do still have some rb leftover and was wondering if I could use it at
>>>> the end
>>>> of my taper to kick the last of the opiates off the receptors before I
>>>> start the
>>>> naltrexone... ?
>>>> Mst continus has quite a long half life and as you all know when swapping
>>>> suboxone/nal you need to go into wd's to avoid precipitated acute wd's.
>>>> I don't really fancy waiting three days in-between the two.
>>>> Anyone have any thoughts on using some rb maybe the day after my last mst
>>>> and then start the nal the next day?
>>>> I've also heard nal can cause paws on it's own? Anyone have any experience
>>>> Obviously I'm anxious about the transfer part. And then if I'm struggling
>>>> wd's once on nal I can't do anything about it!.... Or can rb be used in
>>>> combination maybe for residual paws?
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