[Ibogaine] O.T. Bin Laden what rreally happened

Gary Bryan gary_bryan at blueyonder.co.uk
Fri May 6 23:40:54 EDT 2011


Sorry Jen, yeah I thought I may have read it wrong.. im tapering too so a
bit sensetive :)

G

On 5 May 2011 03:32, Jen Santos <jsantos at persephonebirthways.com> wrote:

> Oh no!!  I was bringing all that up because I said the exact same thing you
> said.  My better half, who is a lawyer, threw all those arguments at me.
>  And I had to concede he had a point...where are you going to find an
> impartial jury?  The Nuremburg Courts would be the closest thing, I agree.
>
> I really am sick, nauseated, by the Americans who think this is a cause to
> celebrate. Maybe, MAYBE if it were like VJ day, and it meant sons and
> brothers and daddies coming home.  But I don't think it's going to change
> that much as far as international policy and deployments, and I am truly
> thinking that if he inspires as much hatred in me as he obviously felt for
> Americans, then hasn't he won a victory, even it's just my one human soul?
>  No love lost for the murdering criminal, but dancing in the streets because
> he's dead?  I don't feel it...most of the kids they showed in the streets in
> New York and Washington DC weren't old enough to remember much about 9/11...
>  I think it shows that the culture has been really affected.
>
> I'm really sorry if I came on too strong.  I'm also pregnant and irritable.
>  :P
>
>
> Jen
>
>
>
> On May 4, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Gary wrote:
>
> > Not jim, Jen... But that's what I mean about the cultural thing. Maybe it
> wasnt negative and I'm just being sensitive!
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > On 4 May 2554 BE, at 18:32, Edward W <edwardw at mtciep.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I don't think Jim meant anything negative on your part Gary.  This board
> is very open, just expect relies at times from varying opinions.
> >>
> >> Peace Gary
> >>
> >> ___________________
> >> Edward
> >> edwardw at mtciep.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5/4/2011 11:28 AM, Gary wrote:
> >>> I don't know if it's me or a cultural difference between the U.S and
> The UK but it seems every time I reply to a thread on here someone jumps
> down my throat :(
> >>>
> >>> Gary
> >>>
> >>> On 4 May 2554 BE, at 17:28, Jim Hadey <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com <mailto:
> jimhadey3 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I say US. District  Court of some kind.  Think for a minute,
> >>>> there was a guy in Canada, his name was Mark and he
> >>>> sole marijuana seeds to Americans.  Well they made a
> >>>> big deal out of it and either extradited him to the U.S. or
> >>>> letting him do his time is Canada.  Now if they can
> >>>> extradite a guy for selling marijuana seeds and try him
> >>>> in some kind of federal court they can do it for bringing
> >>>> down the three buildings, not two buildings for building
> >>>> number 7 also fell exactly in it's footprint and it didn't have
> >>>> much fire damage.  So I go with some federal court or
> >>>> tribunal maybe in Cuba, that would be an good place,
> >>>> nice and quiet.
> >>>>
> >>>> - JIM
> >>>>
> >>>> --- On *Wed, 5/4/11, Gary /<sidskidpiercing at gmail.com <mailto:
> sidskidpiercing at gmail.com>>/* wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>   From: Gary <sidskidpiercing at gmail.com
> >>>>   <mailto:sidskidpiercing at gmail.com>>
> >>>>   Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] O.T. Bin Laden what rreally happened
> >>>>   To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >>>>   <mailto:ibogaine at mindvox.com>>
> >>>>   Date: Wednesday, May 4, 2011, 11:51 AM
> >>>>
> >>>>   The same way they tried the german Nazi leaders after ww2 I guess.
> >>>>
> >>>>   None of it sounds right though IMO
> >>>>
> >>>>   Gary
> >>>>
> >>>>   On 4 May 2554 BE, at 16:45, Jen Santos
> >>>>   <jsantos at persephonebirthways.com
> >>>>   <mailto:jsantos at persephonebirthways.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On trial by whom?  What court?  International tribunal?  US
> >>>>   Federal District court, for crimes that occurred in NYC and
> >>>>   Washington, DC?  You gonna guarantee an impartial jury at that one??
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm devastated to see all the rah-rah bullshit going on over
> >>>>   this.  I think that in the end, he has won the greater victory if
> >>>>   this is what we are reduced to.  But I don't pretend to have the
> >>>>   answer either.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On May 3, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Gary wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> It really doesn't sound right.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Surely they would want him alive at all costs to put on trial.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I had visions of troops parading his head on a stake. Or maybe
> >>>>   being kicked around the whitehouse as a football....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The fact they apparently didn't know where he was even though
> >>>>   he's been there 5 yrs plus is bulls**t too
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It's not gonna make any difference anyway. If people want to
> >>>>   blow shit up they will always find a way unfortunately.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Gary
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 3 May 2554 BE, at 19:53, Edward W <edwardw at mtciep.com
> >>>>   <mailto:edwardw at mtciep.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> One idea is that it would prevent his land grave in becoming
> >>>>   a martyr's shrine. That does make some sense.  I would think in
> >>>>   this case maybe showing some sensitivity could prevent some form
> >>>>   of anger based retaliation...possibly.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ___________________
> >>>>>>> Edward
> >>>>>>> edwardw at mtciep.com <mailto:edwardw at mtciep.com>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 5/3/2011 12:39 PM, junkboy wrote:
> >>>>>>>> that the first thing i thought also matt... why bury him at
> >>>>   sea? that smacks of a lie...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com
> >>>>   <mailto:ibogamail at gmail.com> <mailto:ibogamail at gmail.com
> >>>>   <mailto:ibogamail at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Well I'm never quite sure what Earth I am living on but
> >>>>   since when
> >>>>>>>> did the US give any kind of shit about Muslim customs?  They
> >>>>>>>> buried osama within 24 hours in accordance with Muslim practice
> >>>>>>>> (but unfortunately they had to "bury" him at sea for various
> >>>>>>>> half-way plausible reasons) but seriously when did we start
> >>>>   giving
> >>>>>>>> a shit about that again?  We regularly violate people's
> >>>>   rights all
> >>>>>>>> over the world, including inside the US.  We regularly show a
> >>>>>>>> total disregard for other cultures, religions, and
> >>>>   societies, and
> >>>>>>>> yet for perhaps the most vilified man in recent history we
> >>>>   wanted
> >>>>>>>> to show some religious sensitivity?  Which is getting
> >>>>   basically no
> >>>>>>>> traction as a show of religious sensitivity anyway because they
> >>>>>>>> buried him at sea.  Seriously?  I should believe this story?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Its all BS.  I won't bother with sharing the flavor of
> >>>>   conspiracy
> >>>>>>>> theory that I am most inclined to believe but I will say that I
> >>>>>>>> believe just about nothing of the official story around all of
> >>>>>>>> this nonsense.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Of course when a government makes a practice of deceiving the
> >>>>>>>> public and persecuting and even torturing those who would
> >>>>   reveal
> >>>>>>>> the truth, they kind of lose credibility I find.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Matt
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 5/3/2011 4:32 AM, Nola Ephram wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>     I'm already feeling that I'll regret pointing this out, but
> >>>>>>>>     over here on Earth 1, Bin Laden was in his 50s and 'we'
> >>>>   killed
> >>>>>>>>     him living in a mansion, not hiding in a cave. I understand
> >>>>>>>>     that over on Earths 17, 19 and 49, all those pics of his
> >>>>>>>>     childhood in private school wearing fashionable clothes and
> >>>>>>>>     smiling with the other rich kids, were photoshopped
> >>>>   plants. I
> >>>>>>>>     do also understand that the chem trials could have aged him
> >>>>>>>>     prematurely, but in all the pics I've ever seen of Bin
> >>>>   Laden,
> >>>>>>>>     his video proclamations, etc, he more or less looks like a
> >>>>>>>>     person who is in their late 40s, early 50s. If he was
> >>>>>>>>     70something in all the video released during the last 10
> >>>>>>>>     years, then he must have been living right and had
> >>>>   excellent
> >>>>>>>>     plastic surgery. If he was 70something or in his 80s, he is
> >>>>>>>>     also mysteriously older then his mother, but those things
> >>>>>>>>     happen frequently on Earth 24 when a rift in space-time
> >>>>   opens
> >>>>>>>>     due to too much chem trail activity.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
>  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>     *From:* Jim Hadey <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com
> >>>>   <mailto:jimhadey3 at yahoo.com>
> >>>>>>>> <mailto:jimhadey3 at yahoo.com <mailto:jimhadey3 at yahoo.com>>>
> >>>>>>>>     *To:* Ibogaine <Ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >>>>   <mailto:Ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >>>>>>>> <mailto:Ibogaine at mindvox.com <mailto:Ibogaine at mindvox.com>>>
> >>>>>>>>     *Sent:* Mon, May 2, 2011 9:09:06 AM
> >>>>>>>>     *Subject:* [Ibogaine] O.T. Bin Laden what rreally happened
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>     Hi Folks,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>     Yea, they got ole Bin Laden.  They were waiting
> >>>>>>>>     to get him maybe 9 months before the election
> >>>>>>>>     to make Obama look good which is hard to do.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>     Well the army and soldiers went into a cave an
> >>>>>>>>     found Bin Laden there and he had a heart attack
> >>>>>>>>     or stroke or something.  So they were going to
> >>>>>>>>     write a report and that and the Sgt said   Wait
> >>>>>>>>     let's back up 100 yards and shell the hell out of
> >>>>>>>>     them they we will be on TV and all get promoted
> >>>>>>>>     for we got the number one man.  He was 80 plus
> >>>>>>>>     and died by heart attack.  Now if I was there I
> >>>>>>>>     would find some Pakistan guy and say he
> >>>>>>>>     captured him and shot him and then he gets the
> >>>>>>>>     reward and we split.  Don't believe everything
> >>>>>>>>     they say on TV.  The guy had a heart attack.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>      - JIM
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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