[Ibogaine] some more about an Eboka related death ........

James Forristal psychonaut101 at gmail.com
Thu May 5 22:43:58 EDT 2011


Though matt has a point, in my eyes you have committed no offense accept to
get yourself out of whack over someone else lashing out :)

On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 7:35 PM, harvey plex <harveyplex at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am going to matt .
> im dropping this .
> I want to apologize to this forum for my typed foul language and ill termed
> phrases .
> when i said "put em out the pasture " i simply meant kick them out . dont
> let them in again.
> I just got very worked up in defense of somebody i care about and i think
> is very kind and helpful to people.
> the final straw was when i was allowed to see the actual email .
> this brought about the hulk in me was that .
> im embarrassed by this public show of temper .
> i still have things to work on .
> i will also work on them.
> - hp
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Harvey
>>
>> I think you are making a bigger deal out of this than it is.  Sending
>> someone a message, no matter how hateful or mean or distasteful or whatever,
>> is not really an offense worthy of the kind of attention you are giving it.
>>  Especially given that the message was not even directed at you.  Let it go
>> man.  Let it go.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>> On 5/5/2011 6:49 PM, harvey plex wrote:
>>
>>> This is where the email was sourced from :
>>> https://www.safe-mail.net/cgi-bin/Safe-mail.net/gate/N1-4dc33ced-1db8b3bc
>>> come on out in the open you chicken .
>>> lets hear those accusations again and let those that you accuse defend
>>> themselves against your hateful lies in this public forum .
>>> i am half tempted to post this note but  i promised someone i wouldnt .
>>> this person should be outed then tarred and feathered in front of everybody
>>> .
>>> no mercy should be shown here . put em down i say and down for good .
>>> THE COWARD LIAR NAMED LOUIS WILL FROM SAFemail.com
>>> this is my last email concerning this witch hunt im trying to perform
>>> (mind you i like witches too) , i should call it a punkhunt or a cunthunt
>>> (pardon ze french) either way this person should be put out the pasture
>>> permanently.
>>> IF you only knew what the contents of the letter i speak of were , you
>>> too , would agree with me .
>>> i hope CAL posts it for you all to see .
>>> then you might understand my motivations here .
>>> Plus again i have been off narcotics for over a year and a half because
>>> of the help of this person and the direction and education they gave me .
>>> I love NOBU for this same reason as he helped me too without thinking
>>> twice about it . I know some think he is out there and i love him for it .
>>> He showed me how much he cares many times and thats just  beautiful .
>>> i love alot of other Eboka/mindvox forum members too , Beverly included
>>> though i havent heard jack crap from her till today , and man have i heard
>>> from her today .
>>> must run because im going to an NA meeting to help ensure my sobriety (i
>>> go every so often as it reminds me of what i am and what is always there for
>>> me if i choose to return to my old using habits)
>>> much love and detective sleuthing to find the culprit(s)of this hateful
>>> misinformation.
>>> - harvey plex
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 5:54 PM, harvey plex <harveyplex at gmail.com<mailto:
>>> harveyplex at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>    I am trying to get the administrator of the Eboka.info site to
>>>    post the letter he recieved as i have read it and it is absolutely
>>>    untrue and more than horrible .
>>>    YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE HOW AWFUL IT IS !!!!
>>>    maybe someone here will recognize the style of print or spot a
>>>    certain clue as to who this was .
>>>    they used the screen name LOUIS WILL though . does that sound
>>>    familiar to anyone? If you know who this is , lets expose them and
>>>    have them held accountable for this hateful misinformation and
>>>    propganda .
>>>    lets get LOUIS WILL for this .
>>>    WHO IS THE COWARD NAMED LOUIS WILL ?????
>>>    Where does this vermin hide ?
>>>    Louis , if i dont get ya the devil will (big ass smile) .
>>>    much love and helping each other with truths not lies or silence .
>>>    - harvey plex
>>>
>>>    On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 5:11 PM, James Forristal
>>>    <psychonaut101 at gmail.com <mailto:psychonaut101 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>        The desire to place blame when you loose something of value to
>>>        you is strong and can make for a lot of trouble if a person
>>>        has vengeance in their heart.   I think this is one good
>>>        reason not to underplay the risks of ibogaine or delude
>>>        yourself into that potential problems will not show their
>>>        face because you in all your glory are the one using the
>>>        medicine. ;)  Okthanx byebye
>>>
>>>
>>>        On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Sister <sisterwind at verizon.net
>>>        <mailto:sisterwind at verizon.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>            No one person is responsible for this poor Childs death.
>>>             Not sure if it's the same person but I think I did review
>>>            his EKG and told him he was not a candidate for tx.
>>>            I think he also was told by someone else that a pacer is
>>>            safe.   So... Really up to him to do own research then
>>>            decide.   Deaths will happen no matter what safety
>>>            measures taken.  I am one not a fan for diy in hopes to
>>>            increase  chances of survival if things go south ....
>>>            Simple assessments during tx to recognize the body is not
>>>            compensating....etc.
>>>                 My heart goes out for the family/ mother.  I fear we
>>>            will be seeing many more deaths due to diy and
>>>            disinformation thus forcing the dea to take steps.   I do
>>>            understand why some choose diy.... My life is worth so
>>>            much more then a few thousand but before I got clean it
>>>            didn't feel like it.
>>>            Sister
>>>
>>>            On May 5, 2011, at 5:11 PM, harvey plex
>>>            <harveyplex at gmail.com <mailto:harveyplex at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>            Amen Edward !!!
>>>>
>>>>            On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Edward W
>>>>            <edwardw at mtciep.com <mailto:edwardw at mtciep.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                sorry to hear Harvey Plex, I haven't been on that
>>>>                 forum in a long time.    Unfortunately with Iboga
>>>>                and Ibogaine, there are always risks that can occur
>>>>                unexpectedly.
>>>>
>>>>                Peace
>>>>
>>>>                ___________________
>>>>                Edward
>>>>                edwardw at mtciep.com <mailto:edwardw at mtciep.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                On 5/5/2011 12:34 PM, harvey plex wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                    The administor of a the Eboka Index had recently
>>>>                    recieved a nasty, nasty em,ail from someone on
>>>>                    the Mindvox list blaming the Eboka Idex For a
>>>>                    cretain tragedy that had happed not so long ago .
>>>>                    The Eboka Forum isnt responsible for tragedy with
>>>>                    the young man with the pacemaker .
>>>>                    if you look at the threads no one EVER told him
>>>>                    what to do so far as a treatment .
>>>>                    No one ever gave him advice on a dose either ,.
>>>>                    The forum was made aware of this tragedy by a
>>>>                    member whom had suddenly left ( why?)  whom made
>>>>                    this anouncement by telling the forum that they
>>>>                    should feel bad about not feeling bad about
>>>>                    something they had no clue what happened to him
>>>>                    at all .
>>>>                    This certain person that told eveybody that they
>>>>                    should feel bad for not caring about his demise
>>>>                    NEVER gave anybody the contact info for the mom
>>>>                    or dad .
>>>>                    She just popped in with a quilt trip .
>>>>                    why would we feel bad about advice we never gave
>>>>                    him ?
>>>>                    the female informer was in contact with this
>>>>                    family too .
>>>>                    so if anyoner ever talked to them or gave them
>>>>                    some kind of advice , it just have might have
>>>>                    been her !
>>>>                    he didnt mention a pacemaker till his last post
>>>>                    in the forum either .
>>>>                    this tragic event has got providers instilling
>>>>                    fear and funneling money (many , many , dont do
>>>>                    it for free either ) into their pockets .
>>>>                    using this event as a way to get business or
>>>>                    scare people that are going to make this jump
>>>>                    anyway (which i and others have successfully have
>>>>                    done in the past , will continue to happen .
>>>>                    its like some prisoners look at the electric
>>>>                    fence , the dogs and the armed gaurds in the
>>>>                    towers and STILL chose to make a break for
>>>>                    possible freedom -damn the consequences !!!)
>>>>                    I believe whole heartedly that two people here in
>>>>                    paticular (one i wont have anything to do with
>>>>                    anymore because of how they have changed their
>>>>                    tune ).
>>>>                    There was a mass exodus from the eboka forum of
>>>>                    some of the old members that was never explained
>>>>                    but seems to sync up with this tragic event
>>>>                    happening .
>>>>                    I just want to defend my home group as much
>>>>                    healing and good information does happen there .
>>>>                    i went there and got healed so it will always be
>>>>                    my "home group" .
>>>>                    I also have always injoyed this forum also and
>>>>                    mean nothing but to correct this wrong that has
>>>>                    been made against a fellow forum.
>>>>                    *We must not have this type of misinformation
>>>>                    participated in and promoted because it isnt the
>>>>                    truth !!!
>>>>                    *I was just very sad to hear today that one of
>>>>                    the people whom helped me get healed was attacked
>>>>                    for something he had NO part in .
>>>>                    much love and healing ,
>>>>                    Harvey Plex
>>>>                    ps . If this Ibogaine forum or any othe Eboka
>>>>                    forum (or any of the members)believe that they as
>>>>                    a forum are above this kind of tragedy ever being
>>>>                    related  to them ( it happened to us all right ?) .
>>>>                    They might not want to throw stones in a glass
>>>>                    house as Karma is watching us and our intentions .
>>>>                    much love and Star Wars ,
>>>>                    harvey Plex
>>>>                    ps . ps .  Again this note is about hate mail
>>>>                    being recieved by those that do not desrve it .
>>>>                                 I would like to expose whom is
>>>>                    behind it and their true motivations so lets get
>>>>                    this out in the open and discuss it for what it
>>>>                    really is .
>>>>                                 This is about healing not
>>>>                    misinformation , back stabbing and self promotion
>>>>                    (bragging rights ?)
>>>>                    i want to expose the debasers of this
>>>>                    misinformation and propaganda and see them all
>>>>                    run out of town .
>>>>                     - sometimes i think " lets hang em high and for
>>>>                    all to see !"
>>>>                    but that isnt the way i would like to be .
>>>>                    i have anger issues still (irish) which i am
>>>>                    working on .
>>>>
>>>>
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