[Ibogaine] O.T. Bin Laden what rreally happened

Warren Theriot wleetheriot at ca.rr.com
Wed May 4 17:55:33 EDT 2011


Allah, God, "Whatever": human schizoid religiosity concepts... Only  
idiot humans would argue about what or who what put us here, no other  
animal is so afflicted.
Warren

On May 3, 2011, at 10:18 PM, Nola Ephram wrote:

> I have no trouble believing that Obama may have found Osama and had  
> him killed months ago and the news was released only now in time  
> for re-election. I have no trouble believing that all the  
> casualties in the compound and reports of Osama using one of his  
> wives and other women in the compound as "human shields" are total  
> bs, because the special ops team sent in there was undoubtedly told  
> to kill everything, a politically unacceptable statement to make.
>
> What's far more interesting comes from the video that Osama  
> released in 2004 by way of CNN, not a UFO reporting site.
>
> http://articles.cnn.com/2004-11-01/world/binladen.tape_1_al-jazeera- 
> qaeda-bin?_s=PM:WORLD
>
> The Arabic-language network Al-Jazeera released a full transcript  
> Monday of the most recent videotape from Osama bin Laden in which  
> the head of al Qaeda said his group's goal is to force America into  
> bankruptcy.
>
> Al-Jazeera aired portions of the videotape Friday but released the  
> full transcript of the entire tape on its Web site Monday.
>
> "We are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of  
> bankruptcy. Allah willing, and nothing is too great for Allah," bin  
> Laden said in the transcript.
>
> He said the mujahedeen fighters did the same thing to the Soviet  
> Union in Afghanistan in the 1980s, "using guerrilla warfare and the  
> war of attrition to fight tyrannical superpowers."
>
> "We, alongside the mujahedeen, bled Russia for 10 years until it  
> went bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat," bin Laden said.
>
> He also said al Qaeda has found it "easy for us to provoke and bait  
> this administration."
>
> "All that we have to do is to send two mujahedeen to the furthest  
> point east to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al Qaeda,  
> in order to make generals race there to cause America to suffer  
> human, economic and political losses without their achieving  
> anything of note other than some benefits for their private  
> corporations," bin Laden said.
>
> Al-Jazeera executives said they decided to post the entire speech  
> because rumors were circulating that the network omitted parts that  
> "had direct threats toward specific states, which was totally untrue."
>
> "We chose the most newsworthy parts of the address and aired them.  
> The rest was used in lower thirds in graphics format," said one  
> official.
>
> U.S. intelligence officials Monday confirmed that the transcript  
> made public Monday by Al-Jazeera was a complete one.
>
> As part of the "bleed-until-bankruptcy plan," bin Laden cited a  
> British estimate that it cost al Qaeda about $500,000 to carry out  
> the attacks of September 11, 2001, an amount that he said paled in  
> comparison with the costs incurred by the United States.
>
> "Every dollar of al Qaeda defeated a million dollars, by the  
> permission of Allah, besides the loss of a huge number of jobs," he  
> said. "As for the economic deficit, it has reached record  
> astronomical numbers estimated to total more than a trillion dollars.
>
> The total U.S. national debt is more than $7 trillion. The U.S.  
> federal deficit was $413 billion in 2004, according to the Treasury  
> Department.
>
> "It is true that this shows that al Qaeda has gained, but on the  
> other hand it shows that the Bush administration has also gained,  
> something that anyone who looks at the size of the contracts  
> acquired by the shady Bush administration-linked mega-corporations,  
> like Halliburton and its kind, will be convinced.
>
> "And it all shows that the real loser is you," he said. "It is the  
> American people and their economy."
>
> As for President Bush's Iraq policy, Bin Laden said, "the darkness  
> of black gold blurred his vision and insight, and he gave priority  
> to private interests over the public interests of America.
>
> "So the war went ahead, the death toll rose, the American economy  
> bled, and Bush became embroiled in the swamps of Iraq that threaten  
> his future," bin Laden said.
>
> U.S. government officials said Friday that the tape appeared to be  
> authentic and recently made. It was the first videotaped message  
> from the al Qaeda leader in nearly three years.
> *****
>
> In case nobody can be bothered to read any of that.
>
> Read these few short sentences
>
> He said the mujahedeen fighters did the same thing to the Soviet  
> Union in Afghanistan in the 1980s, "using guerrilla warfare and the  
> war of attrition to fight tyrannical superpowers."
>
> "We, alongside the mujahedeen, bled Russia for 10 years until it  
> went bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat," bin Laden said.
>
> He also said al Qaeda has found it "easy for us to provoke and bait  
> this administration."
>
> "All that we have to do is to send two mujahedeen to the furthest  
> point east to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al Qaeda,  
> in order to make generals race there to cause America to suffer  
> human, economic and political losses without their achieving  
> anything of note other than some benefits for their private  
> corporations," bin Laden said.
> *****
>
> In 2000 our national debt was $5 trillion dollars and that was  
> already insane.
>
> In 2011 it is nearly $15 trillion.
>
> I understand that very few people who read this list seem to be in  
> touch with anything approaching reality, but we are approaching our  
> debt ceiling.  America is nearly bankrupt. In 10 years of being at  
> war, our national debt has tripled.
>
> Maybe you've noticed that the middle class has been nearly wiped  
> out during the last 3 years. Sure the rich are getting richer and  
> profiting from everything, but no matter how many times the news  
> says it's only a recession that's getting better and not another  
> great depression... I'm not so sure of that.
>
> It cost Osama half a million to set all this into motion, probably  
> he could have saved up his allowance for a few years and covered  
> it. Maybe his mom should have hugged him more often ;-)
>
> From: Gary <sidskidpiercing at gmail.com>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 8:15:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] O.T. Bin Laden what rreally happened
>
> It really doesn't sound right.
>
> Surely they would want him alive at all costs to put on trial.
>
> I had visions of troops parading his head on a stake. Or maybe  
> being kicked around the whitehouse as a football....
>
> The fact they apparently didn't know where he was even though he's  
> been there 5 yrs plus is bulls**t too
>
> It's not gonna make any difference anyway. If people want to blow  
> shit up they will always find a way unfortunately.
>
>
>
> Gary
>
> On 3 May 2554 BE, at 19:53, Edward W <edwardw at mtciep.com> wrote:
>
> > One idea is that it would prevent his land grave in becoming a  
> martyr's shrine. That does make some sense.  I would think in this  
> case maybe showing some sensitivity could prevent some form of  
> anger based retaliation...possibly.
> >
> > ___________________
> > Edward
> > edwardw at mtciep.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5/3/2011 12:39 PM, junkboy wrote:
> >> that the first thing i thought also matt... why bury him at sea?  
> that smacks of a lie...
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com  
> <mailto:ibogamail at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>    Well I'm never quite sure what Earth I am living on but since  
> when
> >>    did the US give any kind of shit about Muslim customs?  They
> >>    buried osama within 24 hours in accordance with Muslim practice
> >>    (but unfortunately they had to "bury" him at sea for various
> >>    half-way plausible reasons) but seriously when did we start  
> giving
> >>    a shit about that again?  We regularly violate people's  
> rights all
> >>    over the world, including inside the US.  We regularly show a
> >>    total disregard for other cultures, religions, and societies,  
> and
> >>    yet for perhaps the most vilified man in recent history we  
> wanted
> >>    to show some religious sensitivity?  Which is getting  
> basically no
> >>    traction as a show of religious sensitivity anyway because they
> >>    buried him at sea.  Seriously?  I should believe this story?
> >>
> >>    Its all BS.  I won't bother with sharing the flavor of  
> conspiracy
> >>    theory that I am most inclined to believe but I will say that I
> >>    believe just about nothing of the official story around all of
> >>    this nonsense.
> >>
> >>    Of course when a government makes a practice of deceiving the
> >>    public and persecuting and even torturing those who would reveal
> >>    the truth, they kind of lose credibility I find.
> >>
> >>    Matt
> >>
> >>
> >>    On 5/3/2011 4:32 AM, Nola Ephram wrote:
> >>
> >>        I'm already feeling that I'll regret pointing this out, but
> >>        over here on Earth 1, Bin Laden was in his 50s and 'we'  
> killed
> >>        him living in a mansion, not hiding in a cave. I understand
> >>        that over on Earths 17, 19 and 49, all those pics of his
> >>        childhood in private school wearing fashionable clothes and
> >>        smiling with the other rich kids, were photoshopped  
> plants. I
> >>        do also understand that the chem trials could have aged him
> >>        prematurely, but in all the pics I've ever seen of Bin  
> Laden,
> >>        his video proclamations, etc, he more or less looks like a
> >>        person who is in their late 40s, early 50s. If he was
> >>        70something in all the video released during the last 10
> >>        years, then he must have been living right and had excellent
> >>        plastic surgery. If he was 70something or in his 80s, he is
> >>        also mysteriously older then his mother, but those things
> >>        happen frequently on Earth 24 when a rift in space-time  
> opens
> >>        due to too much chem trail activity.
> >>
> >>         
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> --
> >>        *From:* Jim Hadey <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com
> >>        <mailto:jimhadey3 at yahoo.com>>
> >>        *To:* Ibogaine <Ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >>        <mailto:Ibogaine at mindvox.com>>
> >>        *Sent:* Mon, May 2, 2011 9:09:06 AM
> >>        *Subject:* [Ibogaine] O.T. Bin Laden what rreally happened
> >>
> >>
> >>        Hi Folks,
> >>
> >>        Yea, they got ole Bin Laden.  They were waiting
> >>        to get him maybe 9 months before the election
> >>        to make Obama look good which is hard to do.
> >>
> >>        Well the army and soldiers went into a cave an
> >>        found Bin Laden there and he had a heart attack
> >>        or stroke or something.  So they were going to
> >>        write a report and that and the Sgt said  Wait
> >>        let's back up 100 yards and shell the hell out of
> >>        them they we will be on TV and all get promoted
> >>        for we got the number one man.  He was 80 plus
> >>        and died by heart attack.  Now if I was there I
> >>        would find some Pakistan guy and say he
> >>        captured him and shot him and then he gets the
> >>        reward and we split.  Don't believe everything
> >>        they say on TV.  The guy had a heart attack.
> >>
> >>        - JIM
> >>
> >>
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