[Ibogaine] Looking for U.S. provider
bicuitboy714 at gmail.com
Tue Mar 29 14:14:35 EDT 2011
Vector, where the fuck have you been?? U all right?? We have missed
your wisdom, or at least I have. Good to see your post. All this shit
reminds me of the older days, whattya think??
Peace Love and The Underground
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Vector Vector <vector620022002 at yahoo.com>wrote:
> Have you ever considered that maybe you do gossip about people and get
> into regular bitchfests about it? You seem to be doing just that with
> Beverly yesterday, some other person today, there's a pattern there so maybe
> there's some stuff to examine there about how you act and things you may
> want to change.
> If you are yourself less then perfect and talk shit about people, why is it
> so shocking to you that your friends do the same about you?
> *From:* "cbava108 at gmail.com" <cbava108 at gmail.com>
> *To:* The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> *Sent:* Tue, March 29, 2011 3:14:24 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] Looking for U.S. provider
> Thanks for the support, Ed. I'm actually more pissed about this, this
> morning. I had to re-read the comment by Mr. Shipley when I noticed he said
> "all I've heard is that you gossip about everybody
> more or less constantly" ...... all you've HEARD? I guess that'd be both
> rumor and gossip but what I'm annoyed about is that you've creeped out my
> wife unnecessarily by alluding to having knowledge of what we do, who I see
> and where we go here in Mexico ... I've never met you, don't know you and
> apparently don't know anyone that does but I'm going to get to the bottom of
> how the hell you happen to know I visit the treatment center where Beau was
> (and that is creepy) ... I do, you got that right but my motives and
> everything else you got entirely wrong.
> PS And Mason, despite the misunderstandings I'd welcome you to visit the
> group on FB.
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 6:45 AM, Edward W <edwardw at mtciep.com> wrote:
>> Unfortunate you feel that way Mason. Chris is actually a down to earth
>> person that brings interesting points and honest conversation, whether one
>> agrees or not. Check out the Ibogaine Survirors Club on Facebook and see
>> edwardw at mtciep.com
>> On 3/28/2011 9:04 PM, Mason Shipley wrote:
>>> Chris from a cursory reading of how you conduct yourself on this list
>>> anyway, you seem like the stereotypical loudest most annoying person
>>> at any 12 step meeting, who has a year or two of clean time and loves
>>> to listen to themselves talk endlessly about almost anything.
>>> I have not really so far seen you embody any of the qualities you
>>> claim to represent, all I've heard is that you gossip about everybody
>>> more or less constantly and there's some question about your financial
>>> involvement with your favorite treatment center, with the additional
>>> question of how exactly is it that you are always at the center of
>>> whatever crisis is happening and actively pushing people involved in
>>> the recent ibogaine fatality, to post about your clinics competitors
>>> to the point of being banned from showing up at the treatment facility
>>> that you visited on daily basis to try and get Beau to share his
>>> story. Didn't you visit with Beau on an almost daily basis until you
>>> were asked to no longer enter the rehab in question? Didn't you
>>> motivate him constantly to post his experience?
>>> How exactly did Beau find his way to this list and posting his
>>> experience here where it would be certain to get displayed before the
>>> largest audience possible and permanently dumped into Google instead
>>> of fading away somewhere on facebook. Did you personally motivate him
>>> to do this? He arrived under the impression that other people were
>>> gossiping about him and calling him a loony. When in fact there were
>>> only two messages posted, one by Kevin Walker mentioning the death,
>>> right after someone else mentioned a death that Kevin was involved
>>> with. No names were ever used, nobody knew who Beau even was before he
>>> and his friend Dean showed up and started posting. While I have no
>>> doubt their story is true and have no questions personally about
>>> Beau's honesty he seems capable of speaking for himself, I'm very much
>>> wondering why he's even doing that here on MindVox. Would that be
>>> because of you Chris?
>>> This is not some big denouncement of you, because it makes you not
>>> very different from the average person in a 12 step meeting with a
>>> year or two of clean time under their belt. I was wondering however
>>> since you are so concerned with the truth being put out there about
>>> ibogaine treatment and fatalities, if you were planning on sharing
>>> Jeff Israel's background of fleeing the United States to Mexico in the
>>> first place, after the death of a patient in Florida a few years ago
>>> because he was afraid of being charged with murder. Wouldn't that seem
>>> like a really important thing to examine since the topic of
>>> ibogaine-related deaths is so important to you, or was that one ok
>>> with you? I was also wondering if you felt all right about the rumors
>>> patients spread about Clare Wilkins whose clinic was located in the
>>> same city as the clinic you're such a big fan of. You of course didn't
>>> help spread any of those rumors and the devastating effects they had
>>> on her personal life and business were only a convenient side effect
>>> that put your main competitor out of business right. Then there's all
>>> those stories about Lex killing people and losing patients, long
>>> before he ever lost a single one. You of course also had nothing to do
>>> with spreading all those stories because you never gossip about
>>> To restate where my message began none of this is some big
>>> condemnation of you, I believe your background, according to what
>>> you've stated on this list anyway is being a drug dealer and a club
>>> promoter, so your legitimate field is viral marketing, which is what
>>> you're busy doing right now. The part I doubt is any sincerity
>>> whatsoever in anything you have to say or are doing.
>>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 9:08 PM,<cbava108 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> So I'm the reason you don't post to the list? Really? I'm the reason
>>>> you left the Survivors FB group too I suppose ... something I did,
>>>> said ...not positive enough for you ..oh thats right your all about
>>>> DOING THINGS and I'm all about doing NOTHING but gossiping ... you
>>>> might fool people that don't really know you or me but you ain't
>>>> foolin' anyone that does. I promise you.
>>>> On 3/28/11, cbava108 at gmail.com<cbava108 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Beverly, wtf are you talking about, I was only having a bit of fun ...
>>>>> showing you up? Creating drama? Let's see, if you want to start some
>>>>> shit about drama your on the verge of asking for it .... I'm annoyed
>>>>> now .... how the fuck have I EVER impacted your life negatively? How?
>>>>> I GOT you your first bunch of fucking ibogaine, helped promote you for
>>>>> a gig with J that paid you well when you needed it ..wtf have I EVER
>>>>> done to you? Tell me. Arrgghh. You who've told everyone all I do is
>>>>> nothing but gossip and enjoy hurting people ... fucking nauseating!
>>>>> Dean, illegal use of the phone carries a 5 year sentence, any
>>>>> conversation where you discuss conducting federal crimes can be used
>>>>> to charge you with it ... though, I wasn't much concerned with that
>>>>> particular charge since it carried the least time ... but I met people
>>>>> that've been charged with it and were doing time for it.
>>>>> On 3/28/11, Beverly Weaver<izmudd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> One of the reasons i don't really post to the list anymore is that i
>>>>>> need to get in public debates with people who don't impact my life in
>>>>>> positive way, over topics I don't care to discuss with them in the
>>>>>> place. Chris, if you were raelly trying to be informative, and not
>>>>>> to somehow 'show me up' you also would have contacted me privately. I
>>>>>> always maintained I'm not into the drama.
>>>>>> On Mar 28, 2011 1:18 PM,<cbava108 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Here we go again, no I was actually making light of Beverly's comment,
>>>>>> hardly being serious. I just thought it was funny and apparently she
>>>>>> made a mistake thinking she was writing privately ... no big deal and
>>>>>> it wsn't directed to you junkboy ... never thought much about your
>>>>>> nick junkboy or what it could mean ... really it was an attempt at
>>>>>> humor ... didn't fly to well, I guess.
>>>>>> But, telling this person how to go about getting ibogaine isn't
>>>>>> conspiracy, for a conspiracy you need to plan to commit a felony (like
>>>>>> telling someone how to get ibo) and then commit an overt act to
>>>>>> further getting it along ... lacking the overt act you're only
>>>>>> exercising your right to freedom of speech. The only reason I might
>>>>>> come off sounding like a know-it-all is because I was charged by the
>>>>>> feds with 9 counts of possession with intent to distribute, one count
>>>>>> of conspiracy to import and one count of illegal use of the telephone.
>>>>>> All totaled up to 135 years ... to say I was shocked when the US
>>>>>> magistrate read off the charges and the penalties would be an
>>>>>> understatement. :)
>>>>>> On 3/28/11, junkboy<junkboy64 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> that totally clears it up.. i didnt even...
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