[Ibogaine] New treatment for meth/cocaine/alcohol addiction

junkboy junkboy64 at gmail.com
Thu Mar 24 13:33:49 EDT 2011


i hand pack just loosely.

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Edward W <edwardw at mtciep.com> wrote:

> Interesting to hear.  I've always wondered how much of actual ibogaine one
> would be getting with small booster doses.  Maybe it's the other alkaloids
> that may also have an effect on the psyche.
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> On 3/24/2011 11:01 AM, Jen Santos wrote:
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>> I wish I could say there was anything scientific about it...a pinch a day,
>> then I'd notice I'd forget to take it, so I'd take that as a sign of
>> improvement.  When the depression started to seep back in (it was almost
>> visual, palpable), I would put myself back on a pinch a day.  Then every
>> other, then as needed...I had been down to once or twice a week when I got
>> pregnant, but I noticed when I was around triggers for my PTSD I'd need it
>> more often.  I tried to really listen to my body and my inner self.
>>
>> I will say that I found it miraculous that despite the intense positive
>> effect on my mood, there was no sense of wanting more or more often, rather
>> the opposite: I'd get to feeling so good that I'd leave the house in the
>> morning and realize I hadn't taken any.  Truly no possessive tendencies on
>> the part of this plant spirit, at least in my experience.
>>
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>> On Mar 23, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Edward W wrote:
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>> thanks for sharing Jen, good to hear you had great results with the
>>> RB.......what were your micro ranges on the RB?
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>>> On 3/23/2011 10:57 AM, Jen Santos wrote:
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>>>> SJW was ok, not overwhelmingly successful.  Found micro-dosing with RB
>>>> to be life-changing, but I stopped all complementary therapies when I became
>>>> pregnant.  :(
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 23, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Edward W wrote:
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>>>> Did you ever find St. John's Wort effective....personally I never found
>>>>> it to be as effective as most SSRI's.
>>>>>
>>>>> Diphenhydramine has always had strange sedative effects that I usually
>>>>> avoid when possible :(
>>>>>
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>>>>> edwardw at mtciep.com
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>>>>> On 3/22/2011 7:28 PM, Jen Santos wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gabapentin is the new one-size-fits-all drug these days.  Seizures,
>>>>>> nerve pain, etc.  Hence, I assume the attenuation of benzo withdrawal?  This
>>>>>> brings to mind the docs who are writing Cymbalta and Lyrica as an adjunct
>>>>>> for chronic pain/nerve pain.  SSRIs/SNRIs - different pharmaceutical class,
>>>>>> but work for similar symptoms and nasty "withdrawal" symptoms when
>>>>>> discontinued ("brain zings," etc.)  My ortho wrote me for Trams and Cymbalta
>>>>>> to initiate on the same day, and I ended up in the ER with serotonin
>>>>>> syndrome.  He could have opted to give me gabapentin instead, but went with
>>>>>> Cymbalta for two reasons: 1) I burst into tears when he wouldn't give me any
>>>>>> more pain meds in the office so he determined I was depressed (ironic, no? -
>>>>>> apparently he thought I was ALREADY a junkie, but guess where I went when I
>>>>>> left there?) and 2) he said the gabapentin would make me fat.  :P  No, dude,
>>>>>> the St. John's Wort that I took for the depression following opiate and
>>>>>> cocaine addiction has
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>  d me to gain almost 40 lbs so far, but I guess it will come off when
>>>>>> I have the baby.  :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My impression of the hydroxizine is that it is essentially a more
>>>>>> complex diphenhydramine, or am I way off?  Didn't know about the animal
>>>>>> study regarding learned helplessness, very interesting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These are not drugs to play around with, especially the flumazenil.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Chris Jenks wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2011, Jim Hadey wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The three chemicals [in Prometa] are: Flumazenil,
>>>>>>>> Gabapentin and hydroxyzine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  According to wikipedia, Flumazenil is a very short acting
>>>>>>> benzodiazepine antagonist, with a benzodiazepine structure. It is given by
>>>>>>> intravenous injection, usually for the purpose of counteracting the effect
>>>>>>> of sedating drugs as in a case of overdose.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Gabapentin is a GABA derivative which seems to act on receptors
>>>>>>> besides GABA. Wikipedia says:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  "Gabapentin (administered orally) is one of two medications (the
>>>>>>> other being flumazenil, which is administered intravenously) used in the
>>>>>>> expensive Prometa Treatment Protocol for methamphetamine, cocaine and
>>>>>>> alcohol addiction. Gabapentin is administered at a dosage of 1200 mg taken
>>>>>>> at bedtime for 40 - 60 days. Though the combination of flumazenil infusions
>>>>>>> and gabapentin tablets is a licensed treatment, there is no prohibition
>>>>>>> against a physician prescribing gabapentin outside the Prometa protocol.
>>>>>>> There have been reports by methamphetamine addicts that gabapentin alone in
>>>>>>> doses of 1200 mg at bedtime taken for 40 - 60 days has been effective in
>>>>>>> reducing cravings or desire to use methamphetamine. It also attenuates the
>>>>>>> severity of withdrawal symptoms experienced by those physically dependent on
>>>>>>> opioid analgesics, such as heroin, morphine, and oxycodone. One study also
>>>>>>> demonstrates a significant reduction in the severity of benzodiazepine
>>>>>>> withdrawal syndrome."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Under Precautions, wikipedia says:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  "Gabapentin should not be discontinued abruptly after long term use.
>>>>>>> Abrupt or over rapid withdrawal may provoke a withdrawal syndrome similar to
>>>>>>> alcohol or benzodiazepine withdrawal."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  The use of Flumazenil should prevent this withdrawal by preventing
>>>>>>> tolerance at the GABA receptor by Gabapentin.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  According to wikipedia, hydroxyzine is a first-generation
>>>>>>> antihistamine and anxiolytic, and structurally it is a racemic mixture of a
>>>>>>> benzyl piperazine derivative. It boosts the action of opioids. Under Animal
>>>>>>> Research, this antihistamine seems to help rats to recover from "learned
>>>>>>> helplessness". Since addiction can be seen as an instance of learned
>>>>>>> helplessness, this obscure drug may be the key to the mixture's action.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  All three of these drugs seem reasonably easy to aquire, though I'm
>>>>>>> not sure how the Flumazenil is meant to be administered if it is really
>>>>>>> given daily with the Gabapentin.
>>>>>>>
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