[Ibogaine] One More Thing

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Fri Mar 18 10:10:32 EDT 2011


Don't let that boredom take you out.. Maybe work on recovery program of choice to ensure your success 
Sister

On Mar 16, 2011, at 12:29 AM, "Griffis, Beau (student)" <Beau.Griffis at pepperdine.edu> wrote:

> Matt,
> 
> Your response was well said and correct in my opinion. Your observations seem to be almost all completely real. However, there's more to the slander that you are unaware of. I also did misrepresent what you said in your post. I didn't know that it was coming from Dean. If anything, I was just trying to be a smart ass in order to lighten the mood a bit. I don't like the drama either, but I realize it's just a necessary evil that comes along with human nature. So anyways, in regards to your response, I believe your right. I may not know everything that goes on within this community, nor do I even really wish to. I just wanted to tell everyone my representation of what I thought was real and then be done with it. After that, I just started responding to other peoples posts out of boredom. Anyways, I appreciate your post. It was well thought out, and I believe that I had just made a mistake sizing up your character. Since written and verbal communication only accounts for around 7 to 13 percent of the communication process mistakes are easily made. I came into this forum somewhat agitated, and I must of taken out those emotions on your response, since it's the first one I read. I apologize for the mistake, and I sometimes put my foot in my mouth when I'm under a lot of emotional pressure. I'm working on this though, and I appreciate your constructive criticism.
> 
> Thanks Matt
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com on behalf of Matt S
> Sent: Tue 3/15/2011 8:59 PM
> To: The Ibogaine List
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] One More Thing
> 
> Hi Beau
> 
> As I said to Dean, any comments remotely disparaging of you were about 
> an anonymous patient until Dean himself showed up and gave you a name.  
> Even then it was just someone named Beau until you yourself posted and 
> let everyone know your full name.  How can any comment about an 
> anonymous person be slander?  I suppose some people knew who you were, 
> but me and about 9000 other people on this list didn't until you and 
> Dean made sure we did.  I must have missed where someone said you were 
> looney which you apparently took great offense to.  All I caught was an 
> offhand remark to the effect that your testimony was not to be trusted 
> based on the fact that you were recently addicted, a comment which I 
> myself took a slight bit of offense to (but for which I was happy to see 
> Diane apologize).  Beyond that I can't remember any other disparaging 
> comments.  Not that that means there weren't any others, just that no 
> other ones stuck in my mind.
> 
> Also, I never said I was concerned about drama and micky mouse 
> professionalism, I was quoting Dean.  My point was that there really 
> wasn't as much drama as Dean was making it out to be.  In fact I think I 
> can safely say that your recent posts have stirred up at least as much 
> drama as there was before, which is to say, not a whole lot.  I also 
> never said I was sick of drama and I would encourage you to point out 
> any circular reasoning I am engaged in.  Please directly quote me 
> however as I find your characterization of my last post very inaccurate.
> 
> "The only reason that I brought up my achievements was because my 
> credibility was being threatened, and I was making an attempt to 
> reestablish it before coming through with my testimony."
> 
> I was actually referring to Dean when I said that I don't respond well 
> to people who need to let me know how smart and important they are.  
> When I read your testimonial where you were talking about how smart and 
> important you are I had no idea who you were.  Look I don't mean to be a 
> dick but who cares?  This is the internet where anyone can say 
> anything.  You make yourself known by how you conduct yourself right 
> now.  You can laundry list what an all around amazing cat you are till 
> the cows come home and you could still be just about anyone.  I'm not 
> saying that you are misrepresenting yourself, I'm just saying that no 
> one has any way to know.  If you are intelligent and reasonable, and so 
> far it looks likely, then it will come across in how you represent 
> yourself.  You don't need to give us credentials that none of us can 
> verify anyway (or probably would care to if we could).
> 
> "It's obvious, that everyone in this community is playing a game."
> 
> How long have you been on this list again?  I feel like both you and 
> Dean think you have the measure of everyone on this list despite never 
> having spent any time posting to it (and perhaps even reading it).  And 
> I have no idea what "organized religion" you are talking about or really 
> even what you are getting at.  Again the part in my post that said "I 
> have I ever seen such a group of totally unprofessional, aka Mickey 
> Mouse, participants in my life. Such drama and deceit should not be 
> associated with something promoted as "spiritual"" was a direct quote 
> from what Dean said.
> 
> Look man thanks for clearing up your side of what happened.  Beyond the 
> fact that it was tragic that this person died, and if there is any 
> information that can be gleaned from it that would save another life, I 
> really don't care who said what about whom.  Accusations and innuendo 
> amongst providers and treatment centers is sadly the norm and has been 
> for years.  I think most of us here are smart enough to make up our own 
> minds about stuff.  The source of the information carries as much weight 
> as anything here.  I have seen dozens and dozens of posts leveling all 
> manner of charges of unscrupulous or outright dangerous behavior at just 
> about everyone at one point or another.  Why that is I don't know for 
> sure, but my suspicion is that is has a little to do with strong 
> personalities, and a little to do with the fact that many people in the 
> ibogaine world were once addicts and as such they tend to have a few 
> deficits in the maturation process.  Lord knows I do.
> 
> The only reason I weighed in on this stuff at all was because of what 
> Dean said which I quoted again above.  I feel like he is disparaging the 
> entire list of which I am a frequent participant.  Yeah I am probably 
> being overly sensitive, and since I wasn't even involved in this 
> conversation before this he wouldn't have been referring to me anyway 
> but I felt compelled to respond so I did.
> 
> Matt
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/15/2011 7:06 PM, Griffis, Beau (student) wrote:
>> 
>> Matt,
>> 
>> Also, you should realize that spirituality is often followed by 
>> organized religion. If you're concerned with the drama and the so 
>> called "Micky-Mouse-Professionalism" that's taking place here then why 
>> don't you just disconnect from the discussion altogether. It's 
>> obvious, that everyone in this community is playing a game. If you 
>> don't want to play, you obviously have the right to quit. So when you 
>> say your sick of the drama, you're still participating in it. So in a 
>> sense you're participating in a type of circular reasoning, that's 
>> actually getting you nowhere. I'm glad to be on this form and talk 
>> about my experience, especially when I know that I have no vested 
>> interest in what's taking place here besides the fact that I wanted to 
>> tell the truth about my experience.
>> 
>> 
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