[Ibogaine] My Original Post

Jim Hadey jimhadey3 at yahoo.com
Wed Mar 16 19:57:17 EDT 2011


Hi Beau,

Thanks for the info, stop by every now and then
and let us know how your doing.  So you got out
in 3 days, wow that's a fast recovery, glad your
doing so good.

Best,

  - JIM

--- On Wed, 3/16/11, Griffis, Beau (student) <Beau.Griffis at pepperdine.edu> wrote:

From: Griffis, Beau (student) <Beau.Griffis at pepperdine.edu>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] My Original Post
To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 16, 2011, 4:11 PM

Jim,

I paid 4 grand for 7 days of treatment. I only stayed for about three though, so I didn't get my whole moneys worth as far as services are concerned. However, It was well worth the money; even if I only stayed 3 days. 




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Sent: Wed 3/16/2011 11:22 AM
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Hi Beau,

How much was the treatment if you do not mind me
asking.  Also, how many days and were you treated
properly?

Thanks,

  - JIM

--- On Tue, 3/15/11, Griffis, Beau (student) <Beau.Griffis at pepperdine.edu> wrote:

From: Griffis, Beau (student) <Beau.Griffis at pepperdine.edu>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] My Original Post
To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 10:49 PM

A business can't exists without a profit. I know it sounds horrifying, but it's true. If it costs the clinic more money to relocate to a clinic closer to a hospital than this move may effect the level of service that they're able to offer new clients, since they would probably raise the price, which in turn would not allow them to save more lives. If they could offer a safer location, while at the same time retaining the same level of service then it would make sense. If not, then I think they're doing more good than harm in their current location. If anything, maybe they can have a doctor put on standby or something. I don't know. However, I do know that they are good people, and they do care. I personally believe that I was safer taking Ibogaine in Mexico City than I was shooting heroin in downtown Los Angeles. Again, this is just my opinion. 


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Sent: Tue 3/15/2011 7:36 PM
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Perhaps a better location in closer proximity to an emergency room would be better. 



On Mar 15, 2011, at 10:29 PM, "Griffis, Beau (student)" <Beau.Griffis at pepperdine.edu> wrote:

> I have no idea where the hospital is. In fact, I barely knew where I was at when I was being treated. I knew that it was about 2 hours from Mexico City, but that's all that I really knew.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com on behalf of Jessica Blackburn
> Sent: Tue 3/15/2011 7:26 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] My Original Post
> 
> Thanks for your account Beau. Do you know where to closest hospital to the clinic is located? I would think Cuernavaca?
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 15, 2011, at 10:20 PM, "Griffis, Beau (student)" <Beau.Griffis at pepperdine.edu> wrote:
> 
>> It may of been a mistake, but if you consider there track record of only loosing one patient in 10 years, then it's obvious that they are doing more good than harm. The only mistake they made was not telling the absolute truth. However, this is somewhat understandable when they where under so much stress. Even good honest people make mistakes when under stress, so I have a hard time blaming them. If anything, this incident will probably change their protocol, which in turn will make it even safer for future client. Maybe someone had to die, so that the next wouldn't have too? I'm not absolutely sure, but I do believe Diana when she said that the people at the clinic are generally honest and responsible; maybe just not so much under pressure?
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com on behalf of Curtis Madison
>> Sent: Tue 3/15/2011 7:13 PM
>> To: The Ibogaine List
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] My Original Post
>> 
>> Thanks for sharing all that bro, it sounds kind of awful if they claim to have 
>> medical supervision, it sort of sounds kind of awful even if they don't. Giving 
>> someone ibo at the airport and then leaving them alone overnight is not the most 
>> responsible thing to do. I wouldn't do that with someone sitting on my couch in 
>> the living room.
>>   I think that based on what I've seen come across here over so much time, is 
>> that everybody is very serious about collecting info about why people die and 
>> carefully investigating each death from every possible angle, unless it happens 
>> at their clinic. Then it should be swept under the carpet as fast as possible.
>> I'm glad that ibo worked for you. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: "Griffis, Beau (student)" <Beau.Griffis at pepperdine.edu>
>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>> Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 12:58:04 AM
>> Subject: [Ibogaine] My Original Post
>> 
>> My Original Post 
>> As most of you may already know, there was a recent death at an ibogaine clinic 
>> in Tepoztlan Mexico. At the time of the incident, I was also being treated for 
>> opiate withdrawl in the room next to the patient who died. I shared a bathroom 
>> with this guy, and I spoke to him, just before he was about to be treated. In an 
>> attempt to be completely objective, I would like to make the following claims 
>> based on my observation of the situation. 
>> 
>> First and formost, I would like to say that I don't believe that the clinic in 
>> Tepoztlan had anything to do with the patients death. However, the staff at the 
>> clinic had greatly misrepresented the truth, while making an attempt to 
>> construct a reality that provides protection for their reputation. They have 
>> also made an attempt to discredit my credibility, with the hopes that I would 
>> not blow the whistle on their misrepresentation of what really happened. I 
>> understand that they're only trying to protect their business, which I do truly 
>> believe is providing a great service. However, I believe that the Ibogaine 
>> community needs to be told the truth from an eyewitness who has no affiliation 
>> with this clinic or any other political ties to the Ibogaine community. I'm 
>> simply a client, and this is what I had witnessed.
>> 
>> 1. I spoke with the patient who died before he was dead. He told me that he 
>> received a booster given to him by Ricky D at the Mexico City Airport, before 
>> even arriving at the clinic two hours later. So yes, he did receive some 
>> Ibogaine. However, he was yet to be flooded completely. I wouldn't think that 
>> this would cause a problem, but I am not experienced enough to make a decission 
>> as if this was the sole reason for his death.
>> 
>> 2. After receving his test dose at the air port, he arrived at the clinic where 
>> we spoke for a good 5 to 6 hours before he told me that he wasn't feeling great 
>> and needed to go and lay down. The patient then went back to his room and shut 
>> the door. I really liked the guy, since we had a lot in common, so I asked Lex 
>> how he was doing. He told me that he was given a booster at the airport, then 
>> fell right to sleep. I asked him if he was going to flood him, and Lex told me 
>> that he was going to when he woke up. 
>> 
>> 3. The next morning all hell broke loose when someone opened the door and the 
>> patient was completely dead. In fact, it didn't look like he had just died 
>> either. It looked as if he had been dead for atleast a few hours. This in 
>> itself, made me feel as if the provider neglected the patient unintentionally, 
>> since they believed that he was asleep and having no problems, since he only 
>> received a test dose.
>> 
>> 4. After discovering that the patient was dead, Ricky Bio made an attempt to 
>> bring him out of it. Having no success Lex then tried to bring him out of it. He 
>> also had no success at doing this. A few minutes later another patient told Lex 
>> that she knew CPR, so Lex called her into the room to help revive the dead 
>> patient. She made an attempt to give the patient mouth to mouth, but when she 
>> made an attempt to open the patients mouth, she saw that his teeth were 
>> clentched too tightly to even be given mouth to mouth. Being that his teeth were 
>> clenched, this gave me the reason to believe that the patient had a seizure. The 
>> lady who tried giving him CPR also belived that the man had a seizure. 
>> 
>> 5. After about an hour of trying to revive the man with no success, they asked 
>> me to move my belonging to another house that they had rented down the street, 
>> since they said that I wouldn't want to be there when the authorities came. I 
>> agreed, since I didn't want my name placed on the list of any type of authority.
>> 
>> 6. After going to the other house, I made arrangements to fly back to Tijuania 
>> mexico, since I didn't feel like having to deal with all the emotional stress. I 
>> was flooded only about 3 days after his death, and the energy from the staff and 
>> the other clients was somewhat negative and disorganized. This is understandable 
>> though, since a patient had just died, and everyone was under a lot of 
>> preassure.
>> 
>> 7. If any misconduct took place, what was it?
>>       a. They neglected the patient, by assuming that he was sleeping when in 
>> fact he was probably dead.
>>       b. They didn't have the proper medical equipment to revive the patient. 
>> For example, there was no defibrillator and there was no doctor in site. In 
>> fact, the hospital was probably a few hours away. However, I'm not too sure, 
>> since I'm not completely familire with the area. I'm just basing this assumption 
>> off my observation of my surroundings, being that it was such a rural 
>> environment. 
>> 
>> 8. Did the staff do there best with what they had?
>>       a. Of course they tried to revive the client, but I don't think they 
>> were equipped to handle this situation responsibly, since there was no doctor or 
>> medical equipment. 
>> 
>> 9. Why am I coming forward with this testimony?
>>       a. At first, I was willing to agree with whatever the clinic had to say 
>> about the situation, since I had a positive experience with my treatment, so I 
>> agreed to go with whatever they decided to come up with. I looked at it from a 
>> Utilitarian perspective, believing that a few lies would cause more good than 
>> harm. However, the lies started to become           greatly misrepresented, and 
>> I felt that there was a certain amount of corruption in their story. I wasn't 
>> going to blow the whistle on their story, until I found out that they were 
>> making an attempt to discredit me by calling me loony, and telling others that I 
>> was incorrigible, due to the fact that my parents were divorced. This shocked 
>> me, since my                parents had been happily married for 30 years, and I 
>> knew that I was far from loony. My accomplishments in this so called world, 
>> don't match up to their false diagnosis of my mental state. I've filed patents, 
>> co-authored books, received some of the countries most prestigious leadership 
>> awards and scholarships, and have raised significant             amounts of 
>> capital for start up companies. All these things mean nothing to me, I'm just 
>> trying to communicate to the group that the label "loony person" that was given 
>> to me at the clinic doesn't match up to my accomplishments, since a loony person 
>> would probably have a hard time completing these tasks. It's sad that I even 
>> have to defend my        credibility, when in fact, I thought that I was going 
>> to a safe and confidential environment where I would be treated for my addiction 
>> problem. If it weren't for the staff at Tepozlan conducting libel on my 
>> reputation in order to get control of their situation, I would of probably never 
>> blew the whistle on this cover up.
>> 
>> Lastly, I'd like to say that I am very grateful for the new life that Ibogaine 
>> has provided me with. I think that this drug is a wonder drug, with the 
>> potential of saving a lot of lives. However, I felt that I needed to communicate 
>> my first hand witness of this situation to the Ibogaine community, so that you 
>> all know what actually took place. I have no political ties to the Ibogaine 
>> community, nor do I have any reason to not tell the truth. In fact, the staff at 
>> Tepoztlan has a lot more to loose than I do. Being said, I would just like to 
>> say that they tried their best with what they had, and they made their best 
>> attempt to help the man who died. However, this is what happened, and this is 
>> the truth as I had seen it. I'd like to keep my name away from the controversy, 
>> so I will make this post anonymous. There may be a few of you who know who I am, 
>> but  that's ok. I'm just trying to conduct what Iboga was trying to teach me, 
>> which is to live a life of principal and responsibility.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> Anonymous Witness 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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