[Ibogaine] OT - What is going on!? 03/03/2011

Jim Hadey jimhadey3 at yahoo.com
Wed Mar 9 01:20:03 EST 2011


Hi CB,

>>>....but in general I've been called a sheep and hamburger head...<<<

Come on CB you've been called a lot worse than that,  "hamburger head"
and sheep, be for real.

  - JIM

--- On Sun, 3/6/11, Kelli Gayle <Kelli at SoulsCode.com> wrote:

From: Kelli Gayle <Kelli at SoulsCode.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT - What is going on!? 03/03/2011
To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Date: Sunday, March 6, 2011, 8:51 PM

Hi Chris, I understand completely.  There are many levels of deception and manipulation out there about many things...  Mind games designed to distract and pull one off center.  It is crazy making for anyone actively researching the truth...  I can only share my experience and my feelings not to spread fear or conspiracy theories but because I feel very strongly that this is something that needs to be addressed.  I feel that we are being kept even more in the dark about what is really happening all around us!   The weekend I mentioned in my previous message about the heavy spraying also was the same weekend I saw numerous vultures eating the dead animals by the river where I walk and feed the ducks every night.  I can't say if there is a relation to the spraying but I had not seen vultures here before.  I can only listen to my intuition now.  And it tells me that there is much more to the story....  namaste


On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 5:10 PM,  <cbava108 at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Kelli, I didn't mean it personally but in general I've been called a sheep and hamburger head because e.g. I didn't believe some new age technology scams that used Big Pharma as a scapegoat to legitimize what they do, when in fact, there are as many scam artists romping around Big Alternativa profiting from the ills or imagined ills of many. Chemtrails are only an interest to me as a entertaining debate but when I know there are people profiting from the weakness of others it stops being fun and makes me crazy. 



On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Kelli Gayle <Kelli at soulscode.com> wrote:


Hi Chris!  I feel like I know you already from this list:-) Nice to meet you!  I'm all for critical thinking and being open minded and discussing these subjects. I didn't mean that others are programmed because they don't agree with me, I was only sharing my experience with my friends calling me "crazy" for even asking them about the chemtrails.  My definition of "programmed" is someone that won't even look into something that is outside of their reference beam.  Having an open mind and the ability to think critically is the opposite of someone that is programmed.  And I agree with you, the first step to finding truth is actually looking for truth!  The people, my friends that I love dearly, would not even watch the movie or look into my concerns about the chemtrails and aerosol spraying that we can all see if we open our eyes! So, yes, my friends think I'm crazy but that is ok.  What might be considered crazy today will be revealed in the long
 run as actually crazy or there may be some truth to what we are saying.  We all learn from each other!  




On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 3:47 PM,  <cbava108 at gmail.com> wrote:



Kelli, great to hear your ibo success! But re chemtrails, let's not confuse copen/closed mindedness with critical thinking or the lack thereof. The notion that others are programmed because they don't buy into whatever you or others believe to be true is hardly evidence of a closed mind. The first step to finding the truth re any theory is to check the source of the material that's being used as evidence and the film doc presented doesn't at all qualify as good source material.





On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Kelli Gayle <Kelli at soulscode.com> wrote:




Hi everyone:-)  this is my first time posting here.  I used low dose iboga last September to get off 300+ mg's of oxy a day.  I had the help of an angel in the ibo community that I will be forever grateful... and reading the messages here have also helped me and inspired me so I thank you all...  I just read through the chemtrail messages.  I'm in Northern California in the bay area and I've also been noticing a dramatic increase in aerosol spraying here.  Two weeks ago on a Friday, I sat outside in the sun for several hours watching dozens of airplanes throughout the morning criss cross checkerboard the entire sky.  The crosses spread out over a couple of hours and the entire sky was covered in silvery pink chem clouds that lasted TWO DAYS! I've been watching the sky my entire life and yes, I was aware of the chemtrails before but ever since late December, it's getting worse where I am.  I've been researching this for a long time.  The movie
 "What in the World are they spraying" is excellent and I encourage everyone to watch the entire movie with an open mind.  I think it is dangerous to rule anything out and close our minds off to the possibility that the US Govt and HAARP might be up to something.  I've been asking my friends what they think about it and hardly any have even noticed.  I usually get a raised eyebrow and some hostility from close friends that say I am crazy:-) And I prefer "crazy" to "programmed" because at least I'm asking questions with an open mind.  I have my own ideas about the chemtrail- aerosol cloaking that is taking place now.  Iboga has reminded me that the answers reside within my heart, my consciousness and my inner being.  My intuition is my guide and I choose to follow the wisdom of my heart.  God Bless.  






On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com> wrote:





I don’t trust my government really at all but this topic is over the top even for me.I am with Chris in that I never noticed whether jet vapor trails behave any differently today than they did in the past.But since first hearing about and reading about this topic maybe a year ago or so, I have paid attention and all I can say is that appears to be atmospheric to me.Some days the trails stick around, or they get wider and turn into clouds and some days they dissipate mere seconds after the plane makes them.But they appear consistent in that when one plane leaves a long lasting trail they all do.So either every single plane passing overhead is spewing a chemtrail on those days (and apparently some days they all have the day off from such activity as well since none of them do on those days) or this whole thing is rubbish.








Based on the level of insanity I have seen on some of the websites that talk about this, I mean seriously there is discussion of all manner of pseudo-scientific nonsense that is completely divorced from any actual science all the way to magical air spirits who are trying to save humanity by eating these chemtrails (I’m not making that up, I read it on one of these chemtrail paranoia sites), I just can’t believe this.








Here’s the other thing, if this is about some kind of mind control, it isn’t working.I still totally distrust my government, I still totally believe in standing up for what is right and speaking out against what is wrong.If I was some power-crazed egomaniac looking at how to maintain or tighten control over the masses I would look to make them quiet and meek.I have yet to see anything quite so effective at making the population compliant and quiescent as television.  Certain kinds of mass prescribed medications seem to be a close second.








If this is about poisoning people, well it isn’t working there either.I reproduced and there are plenty more who have as well.People make more people all the time as far as I can see.



And finally as Sara pointed out, if this is happening everywhere then the people behind it are exposing themselves and their own families to it as well.You can’t spray stuff into the atmosphere all over the place and expect it to stay right where it was released, the wind blows after all.








I am all for evaluating evidence and keeping an open mind while doing so but a convincing argument needs to remain in the realm of reality.





Matt





On 3/6/2011 11:13 AM, James Forristal wrote:


The pilots wouldn't be getting ill because it's in it's densist form as it falls behind them.  They are in jet's, what falls out of a jet.. stays behind the jet.  So their threat level would be about the same as any other person on the ground.  Unless they were in an open aired cockpit flying underneath the dust, that wouldn't be too good.








On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 12:01 PM, <cbava108 at gmail.com <mailto:cbava108 at gmail.com>> wrote:



    It's fact? My question is which planes are doing this? Do they

    have room onboard? Why aren't the pilots getting ill? Why aren't

    many coming forward?





    On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Paul Brookshaw

    <jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk <mailto:jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk>> wrote:



        It is no a conspiracy' as in a conspiracy theory' this is fact!

        And it is still going on!



        http://www.coalitionagainstgeoengineering.org/



        Nobunoni +



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        Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 11:01:48 -0600



        From: psychonaut101 at gmail.com <mailto:psychonaut101 at gmail.com>

        To: ibogaine at mindvox.com <mailto:ibogaine at mindvox.com>

        Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] What is going on!? 03/03/2011



        There is a lot we are doing that we'd be better off if we

        stopped now.  When an organism is infested it has two choices,

        to build a fever and bring the system to it's threshold for

        survival and try to bring itself back into ballance or to

        slowly let the infestation take over.  We are building a fever

        baby, we will learn and adapt or we will blow ourselves

        apart.  This goes must deeper than chemtrails and

        conspiracies.  This has to do with the way we see ourselves,

        each other and the world around us.  Exploitation and

        manipulation to assuage insecurity and fear.. it's killing us

        slowly and that ain't no conspiracy.



        On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Paul Brookshaw

        <jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk <mailto:jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk>> wrote:



            This happening all the time! Every nite as of when we

            sleep' and every day over our heads!



            The World needs to wake up and STOP THIS NOW!



            Thank you'



            Nobunoni +



            http://www.infiniteeureka.com/community/pg/videos/play/group:111/209/what-in-the-world-are-they-spraying-chemtrail-documentary








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            Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 12:54:31 -0600

            From: psychonaut101 at gmail.com

            <mailto:psychonaut101 at gmail.com>



            To: ibogaine at mindvox.com <mailto:ibogaine at mindvox.com>

            Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] What is going on!? 03/03/2011



            If I remember correctly the EU banned this practice a few

            months ago.



            On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 12:49 PM, <cbava108 at gmail.com

            <mailto:cbava108 at gmail.com>> wrote:



                Yup, you can find every possible theory on the

                Internet, and cleverly edited You Tubes with

                "scientists" to explain them and an equal number that

                refute them. So, which is true? I guess you just pick

                one you like to believe, right?  I'd just like to

                know, if in fact, it's true that they're spraying

                chemicals, why are they? Whats the purpose?

                Particularly since it's happening on a global scale.





                On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Beverly Weaver

                <izmudd at gmail.com <mailto:izmudd at gmail.com>> wrote:



                    There's lots of 'proof'. A short internet journey

                    til you find scientists discussing it.



                    On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:36 AM,

                    <cbava108 at gmail.com <mailto:cbava108 at gmail.com>>

                    wrote:



                        You'd think that with what research technology

                        that's available today

                        someone could determine precisely what these

                        'trails' are if not just

                        condensation instead of putting forth a wide

                        range of theories from

                        chemical population control to military

                        weapons testing. I'm voting

                        they ain't much of anything. Where's any valid

                        scientific evidence

                        that they're more than what most scientists

                        say they are?

                        Condensation.





                        On 3/4/11, Beverly Weaver <izmudd at gmail.com

                        <mailto:izmudd at gmail.com>> wrote:

                        > This one has really been bugging me. I'm in

                        a southern USA west coast city,

                        > and I have seen these crisscrossing the sky

                        in a grid pattern. No-one really

                        > wants to talk about it. I called various

                        city officials and ended up feeling

                        > a little crazy. These are not contrails, the

                        condensation we usually see

                        > from planes. My friend in the desert here

                        says she sees these chemtrails

                        > quite often.

                        >

                        > Yes, Jim. We should all just hush. There's a

                        pill for that.

                        >

                        > On to gardening and cleaning baseboards. A

                        good day.

                        >

                        > B

                        >

                        > On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 6:40 AM, Jim Hadey

                        <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com

                        <mailto:jimhadey3 at yahoo.com>> wrote:

                        >

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                        >> >>>

                        >> What is being sprayed over our heads from

                        these high altitude jets ?

                        >> Why is it happening' to form artificial

                        cloud cover ?

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