[Ibogaine] Benzodiazepines Sedation for Ibogaine

star ray earthshealing at hotmail.com
Wed Dec 7 21:45:26 EST 2011


sara, what chinese herbs do you use??    peace,  star 
 > Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 13:28:22 +0100
> From: sara119 at xs4all.nl
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzodiazepines Sedation for Ibogaine
> 
> >
> personally, I do not give Benzo´s, unless the person take care that they have it with them and ask for it.I rather use
> Chinese's herbal remedies.
> 
> 
>  actually, unless one is addicted to bz I would not treat anyone with bz during the tx.  I only give those addicted to
> > prevent any confusion on what symptom is from what. 
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Emma Sachs <emma04406 at gmail.com>
> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2011 7:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzodiazepines Sedation for Ibogaine
> >
> >
> > During a treatment you can assess to see if a person is having severe anxiety and always give a very small dose since
> > Ibo tends to potentiate everything.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Sister <sistereboga at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Welcom Andrew
> >> 
> >>great post.   Great attitude.  Just wanted to add that I do think it safe to take a bz during the iboga experience. 
> >> I think it may help you in your wean actually.  I have seen many use iboga for opiate addiction... was in process of
> >> the bz taper and reported that the wean went much easier for them .   You right in that going to iboga CLean is
> >> optimal.  It seems that those I have to give the bz during the tx will experience a "dampen" state as far as REM. 
> >> They are normally disappointed that they didnt remember or have the dream state.
> >>
> >>From: Andrew <sanpedro.69 at hotmail.com>
> >>
> >>To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >>Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2011 10:57 AM
> >>
> >>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzodiazepines Sedation for Ibogaine
> >>
> >>
> >>Hi I'm new here and just subbed recently,so G'day from Aus!
> >>
> >>Personally,being in the battle from long-term Benzo addiction with a view to undergo Ibogaine treatment maybe it's
> >> safe to take these GABA modulators as a once off.I'm not in the position to do this of course as Xanax-Valium taper
> >> is the road I'm currently on.
> >>I need to have zero in my system for Ibo to do it's thing because like Alc there is physical dangers involved.
> >>My personal opinion is that one should just take the Iboga and all that it is meant to be.Not to mask any discomfort
> >> as the way I see it,this may very well be a huge part of the healing.
> >>Nobody wants to suffer,but believe me suffering is slowly tapering off Benzo's and that alone has made me stronger
> >> through each dose cut and I can't take anything to ease the symptoms or pain other than maybe small doses of
> >> Amanita.Heimia and lotus smoked helps.
> >>Kava may work OK too,so might chilli powder,also hot water activated Magnesium plus Calcium is used by Clare Wilkins
> >> at Pangea Biomedics,a dear Skype pal who has helped me tremendously.
> >>Look to the natural world.Still trialing Psilocybin Fungi at low dose and it can help,though not sure with Ibogaine
> >> as it is a seretonergic.
> >>Not sure if I'm actually in this entire thread/discussion as I'm new to this.
> >>Do I need to sub to a newsgroup or is this an email reply type of discussion where all participants can read?
> >>
> >>Thanks in advance.
> >>
> >>Andrew..
> >>
> >>--------------------------------------------------
> >>From: "Edward W" <edwardw at mtciep.com>
> >>Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:24 AM
> >>To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzodiazepines Sedation for Ibogaine
> >>
> >>> I was wondering, would it be safe to use Kava along with Ibo.  Kava has similar effects to a Benzo.  It looks like
> >>> Kava potentiates GABAa without effecting dopamine and Serotonin levels.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>> ___________________
> >>> Edward
> >>> edwardw at mtciep.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 12/6/2011 3:44 AM, Sara Glatt wrote:
> >>>>    Valium  10mg or clonazepam 2mg would better then Versed. you do not need sedation during the ibogaine,
> >>>> a muscle relaxer is enough.
> >>>>
> >>>>  versed is just silly to take for anything outside of the hospital setting.  VERY short acting... esp iv though a
> >>>>> wonderful high.  Why not use just valium that actually might do something other then just render someone
> >>>>> unconscious
> >>>>> for a few.  Are you really being serious?  If you not doing this yourself and going to have a provider you might
> >>>>> want
> >>>>> to share your conscerns with them.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>> From: Chris Mallin<cmallin20 at gmail.com>
> >>>>> To: The Ibogaine List<ibogaine at mindvox.com>; Sara Glatt<sara119 at xs4all.nl>
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, December 5, 2011 9:11 PM
> >>>>> Subject: [Ibogaine] Benzodiazepines Sedation for Ibogaine
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dear Sara and the rest of the folks,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have one final question.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If someone absolutely felt horrible while doing an Ibogaine treatment, as I know I felt (I felt restless,
> >>>>> kicking,
> >>>>> just horrible), is it possible to give them benzodiazepines to ease the process. I was told that this can be
> >>>>> done, but
> >>>>> I am not referring to just Valium or Ativan for example. I am referring to something stronger, such as Versed
> >>>>> (midazolam), which they give people getting endoscopies for example. It is obviously not meant to put you under
> >>>>> anesthesia, but nevertheless, it does knock you out to a certain extent. So yes, I understand that if you are
> >>>>> sedated
> >>>>> like that with Versed, you might not get the whole spiritual/vision experience. However, if someone is doing it
> >>>>> purely
> >>>>> for the therapeutic aspect (e.g., resetting tolerance), is it something that can be done to make their
> >>>>> "discomfort"
> >>>>> significantly less (again, if they can't tolerate flood doses well). So you give them Versed and it puts them in
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> deep sedated mode, and the restlessness
> >>>>>  would stop, etc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The reason I ask is because although I am not planning on doing Ibogaine now, my friend Ruvi (the tolerance guy)
> >>>>> is,
> >>>>> and he also got these type of symptoms as I had (with Ibogaine)  when he took something called a ketamine nasal
> >>>>> spray
> >>>>> which the doctor prescribed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So bottom line, can a strong benzo be given simultaneously with Ibogaine?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Chris
> >>>>>
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