From jimhadey3 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  1 00:19:34 2010
From: jimhadey3 at yahoo.com (Jim Hadey)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 21:19:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ibogaine] Voacanga africana Questions
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Hi James,

I see the guys talking about trying out the Vocanga or Africa V.? I
remember you talking about getting ripped off and having a 
unpleasant experience with it physically so I was hoping you would
drop by and tell them what ya did.? 

Thanks,

? - JIM 

--- On Thu, 12/31/09, James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com> wrote:

From: James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Voacanga africana Questions
To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Date: Thursday, December 31, 2009, 10:20 PM

I was one of those folks 3 years ago that was ripped off my shamanic
extracts and did 33gms of africana extrat in wine.. It was horrible
and the body load lasted days.? I'd picked up smoking again and wanted
to use the extract to stop again.. I had no desire to quit.. Just had
a hell of a time getting my body to move out the door to light up
blah!? 5 days to recover from that hellish experience!

No iboga like effect for me what so ever.? Though I've heard from a
few that it is useful to some degree in lower doses.? I'm afraid to
try it again at this point.

On 12/31/09, Dana Beal <dana at phantom.com> wrote:
> You got to look at this old Ibogaine video... IBOGAINE IN THE 90'S.
>
> In it, I give Nelson Mandela the cure for drugs. Then you can
> understand? the importance of S. Africa to the Staten Island Project,
> and how the current drive to turn all the voacangine in Afika into
> Ibogaine plays into the gambit of treating alcoholism in Saudia and
> cigarette addiction in America.
>
> dana/cnw
>
> On Dec 31, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Randy Faulconer wrote:
>
>>? ? ? ???From what I understand it takes a WHOLE lot of Vocanga to get
>> enough Ibogaine to make it worth the effort. Gunny sacks full for very
>> small total Ibo product. I would think that somebody driven enough
>> could maybe do things that haven't been tried and come up with
>> something effective
>>
>>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Good luck.
>>
>>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???Randy
>>
>>
>> On 12/31/09, Jeremy Spence <jlspence12 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> No I think the same too man.
>>>
>>> I've grown to under this is just a fact of life.
>>> If you want it, it does Cost moneyvbut it's well worth it.
>>> It does work I've seen it's effects
>>> It works
>>>
>>> But you got to be careful
>>> Don't beleie
>>> It can't be dangerous.
>>>
>>> It can.
>>> But if taken with some sense it can
>>> Work better then any I've ever tried.
>>>
>>> It's just got to be taken with caution.
>>> Just take with some plan or caution
>>> Or better yet both.
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>> On Dec 31, 2009, at 7:51 AM, Jim Hadey <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Howdy,
>>>>
>>>> Wait before trying it.? I know a guy who took that stuff, he was
>>>> ripped off from a company on the net when he wanted Ibo or
>>>> maybe something else.? But they ripped him and and sent
>>>> him the Voacanga africana, maybe as an extract and he did
>>>> not like it at all.? Wait a day or so and he may reply and say
>>>> don't do it.? If not let me know and I will try and remember who
>>>> he is.? I talk to so many people and hear so many different
>>>> things it is hard to remember who said what.
>>>>
>>>> Not being funny but it seems there is not a low price for Ibo
>>>> or a substitute.? Yes, it cost.???Yes, it's a shame that it costs
>>>> that much.
>>>>
>>>> Best to Ya,
>>>>
>>>>? - JIM
>>>>
>>>> --- On Wed, 12/30/09, robertj <BigDog at TeraDog.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From: robertj <BigDog at TeraDog.com>
>>>> Subject: [Ibogaine] Voacanga africana Questions
>>>> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>>> Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 9:34 PM
>>>>
>>>> Since I have no T. iboga with which to experiment, I am planning on
>>>> making a mixed alkaloid extract of Voacanga africana root bark.? I
>>>> have some questions I am hoping will be answered by the collective
>>>> experience of this list.? Since the major alkaloid, voacangine, is
>>>> very similar to ibogaine, it is likely that the results obtained
>>>> will be similar to those of T. iboga.
>>>>
>>>> 1)? Does anyone have any experience or information re:? the fumarate
>>>> salt of voacangine (or ibogaine)?? I am planning on extracting the
>>>> Voacanga alkaloids with acetone and precipitating the fumarate salts
>>>> by adding a solution of fumaric acid dissolved in acetone.? This
>>>> method has been used with success with DMT, and I am hoping that it
>>>> works as well with voacangine/ibogaine.
>>>>
>>>> 2)? Has anyone used either voacangine fumarate or ibogaine
>>>> fumarate?? If so, were the subjective effects (pharmacodynamics)
>>>> similar to other salts (e.g. hydrochloride, acetate) or the
>>>> freebase?
>>>>
>>>> 3)? I have yet to find any information on the use of a V. africana
>>>> root bark extract on the web, most experiences reported are for the
>>>> seeds.? Any information will be appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> After making the effort to obtain a V. africana extract, I am
>>>> considering a bioassay.? Since it will be helpful in documenting the
>>>> procedure and effects if I survive the experiment, I will start out
>>>> with a low dose.? (The voacangine LD50 (i.v.) in mice is 54 mg/kg,
>>>> somewhat higher than ibogaine at 42 mg/kg.)
>>>>
>>>> 4)? What would constitute a threshold dose of voacangine?
>>>>
>>>> 5)? Since I do not expect an answer to the above question, what is a
>>>> threshold dose of ibogaine HCl?
>>>>
>>>> If the extraction procedure is effective, it has several benefits:
>>>> Quick, simple, no extremely toxic chems, relatively safe (acetone is
>>>> flammable, but no heat will be used), and the result should be very
>>>> pure.? The only downside is that fumaric acid is not widely
>>>> available, though it can be purchased for low cost over the web.
>>>>
>>>> Any guidance/information/links you can provide will be greatly
>>>> appreciated!
>>>>
>>>> robertj
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From jimhadey3 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  1 00:35:03 2010
From: jimhadey3 at yahoo.com (Jim Hadey)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 21:35:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ibogaine] plans for lowering the sub
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Hi Elina,

We are all wishing you the best.? Let us know how your doing 
from time to time.? There is a lot of help here ask anyone.

Wishing you the Best,

?? JIM

--- On Wed, 12/30/09, Elina <millamugzu at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Elina <millamugzu at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] plans for lowering the sub
To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 1:24 AM

This I never knew. But good to know, will do.

Last night I got a certain leg ache and restlessness in my legs for the first time in years and remembered a bit better what was to come. :/

On 30.12.2009, at 4.28, James Forristal wrote:

> You know it's best to split your dose in half and take it morning and
> evening.. Then lower the evening dose, then when you are ready lower
> the morning dose.. Rotate this schedule until your goal is
> acomplished.? The body accepts this with less shock :)
> 
> On 12/28/09, Elina <millamugzu at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I really want to write this down, as I think I will commit to it
>> better. Rather than just think in my own head, and do nothing for
>> lowering a dose. It does depend on how this goes what I will do after,
>> but hey, now small goals first.
>> So tomorrow morning I will start to lower my dosage from 10 to 8. Then
>> (of course according to how I feel) every 6 to 8 days (if I feel
>> really crappy i have to make it max. 14 days) 2 more mg less.? I am
>> doing this after 7 years on pubre. But also I do bear in mind that my
>> stable dosing for the longest times these 7 years have been either
>> 26mg or 16mg. Yes we have had very big doses here in use at some point.
>> 
>> Then PAWS, wtf is that ? Yes, I am in a pubre program since years and
>> yeas I thought I know pretty much of this substance, but now I learn
>> that "Once this severe fatigue stage is over, it is usually followed
>> by the PAWS. Which in the case of buprenorphine/sub wd's ... PAWS is
>> the worst part of them all.". No you must be joking. I did not need
>> any extra trouble with this detox :D Have to laugh cuz otherwise i
>> just might cry.
>> 
>> So my plan and also what was discussed with a provider is that i lower
>> my dose as much as i can. I feel a lot better of realizing that it is
>> only up to me this whole thing. I can be on 2mg in a month or a two in
>> case I want to. Never before have I gone this far in thinking of
>> quitting. In my case it is not even the withdrawal I am so scared of
>> (even of course I am, what I have to come will probably be my
>> severest, except my overall and physical health is definitely the best
>> then again compared to the times ages ago) but it is more the fact
>> that will I stay off this time! Even after so many years in
>> substitution you can most probably relapse. And that would be
>> something ridiculous. This is where the iboga comes in for me. At
>> least here. It gives me some sense of security that if I just do the
>> job, it will give me a bit help so the job will not go in vain.
>> 
>> BTW, I did not get that Rhodeola Rosea yet from iherb as there are 3
>> packages that I am waiting still after like 10 days. They might be
>> stuck in the customs. I feel that I need it cause this PAWS. -? :D In
>> case any other herbalism, I am happy get adviced. I have stopped
>> having any hard chemicals in my meds, food, vitamins, hygien stuff,
>> all (except pubre) since about 6 months ago but in case i have to
>> resort to those (in more of my meds) I am not going to bee too hippy
>> about it. ;)
>> It is just that I feel 10x better without bentzos. Thank you for being
>> supportive.
>> 
>> eLiNa
>> 
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From jlspence12 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  1 03:10:35 2010
From: jlspence12 at gmail.com (Jeremy Spence)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 02:10:35 -0600
Subject: [Ibogaine] Patrick call your brother.
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It's all good
I don't give a fuck..

My life was over at 21,

When the idiot who happened to be a
Uro. Walk, here your fate!!
Here's some bleach! In your dick!!

Hope, u dont need pain meds!!!
It's ok, my life semi better now...,..

It not as bad.
But it's still badddddddddd...

My mother on my case every day.
She a idiot.

But that's life in the
Bible belt!

Full of idiots!!
I'm like the least iqorant person walk or driving around.


J






On Dec 31, 2009, at 2:22 PM, James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com>  
wrote:

> Awww jeremy you thought that was for you? Jesus boy, my sarcasm is
> rarely directed at any one individual :)
>
> On 12/31/09, Jeremy Spence <jlspence12 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yea, I guess that problably just summed
>> Me up.
>>
>> But I don't really fucking care.
>>
>> I don't know about personality part?
>> But yea. Problably not to far off on the other shit?
>>
>> Oh well...
>> I guess I'll live this round..
>>
>> Until the next round..
>> J
>>
>>
>> On Dec 31, 2009, at 12:42 PM, James Forristal
>> <psychonaut101 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a larger than average penis but I lack personality,  
>>> creativity
>>> and passion.. So I over compensate for my own special purposes :P
>>>
>>> On 12/30/09, Jeremy Spence <jlspence12 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I called Dana lawyer!! I wanted to help out, the best I
>>>> could.....................
>>>>
>>>> KEEP YOUR HEAD UP! U TOO MARK EMENY(not spelled right)
>>>>
>>>> Mark u did do a Huge thing for medical marijuana!! Believe the DEA
>>>> are
>>>> scared "shitless about thier own jobs!!!"
>>>>
>>>> I read where a idiot DEA agent, said making marijuana does  
>>>> "nothing"
>>>> for anybody, but the poeple who want to snake it(though he left out
>>>> poeple who like to eat it!!!! He wasn't smart enough to think of
>>>> that)
>>>>
>>>> But you know what the "real deal" "IS"
>>>> Make marijuana legal is "PUTS SOME SCUM BAGS OUT OF JOBS!!!
>>>>
>>>> Ever heard of black Monday on wall street???????????????????????
>>>>
>>>> (yea, I think the day the war on drugs ends, their will be DEA
>>>> FUCKS!!
>>>> Doing some building JUMPING!!
>>>> And u know what, FUCK'EM!!!)
>>>>
>>>> They give no compassion to so many poeple, "u know, what cones  
>>>> around
>>>> goes a round!!!"
>>>>
>>>> U may go to jail, (hell, I might see u there myself, just for being
>>>> on
>>>> so called "legal meds" for a bladder disease that's "NOT
>>>> REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
>>>>
>>>> Oh, Let me count the ways I love these medical disease that doctors
>>>> and idiot, iqorant poeple think aren't "REAL!!"
>>>> Oh let's count the ways!!!
>>>>
>>>> Yea, until a sentors son or daughter gets one of these so called  
>>>> "non
>>>> real"
>>>> Disease's!! "To just get meds!!"
>>>> "RIGHT!!"
>>>> That's usually what it takes!! Before poeple start "getting it"
>>>>
>>>> Dana and Mark
>>>> got bigger "BALLS" then "ALL" "males on this bitch!!!! Patrick  
>>>> too!!!
>>>> For NOT SHUTING THE LIST DOWN WHEN POEPLE WERE GOING NUTS ON HIM!
>>>> He told them to nicely, but firmly, GO FUCK OFF!!!!!!!
>>>> Shots out to those 3 soilders!!
>>>> Also Simon too, for being there for me in times of hardship!!
>>>> Regardless of the out come!!
>>>> He tried to help me when most would have said. "GO FUCK OFF!!!!,  
>>>> piss
>>>> on your self with your little bladder problems that aren't  
>>>> "REAL!!!"
>>>>
>>>> And for the poeple who really got something to say, they need to
>>>> check
>>>> and look Down at "it" to see if it still there???????????????
>>>> However. the over eaters on the lovely western deit, those poeples
>>>> stomach are more then likely too big to see it??????? No?
>>>>
>>>> I guess I'll give those poeple a free pass........ Hey, they can't
>>>> check to see "IT" so I give those dudes a freebee...
>>>>
>>>> So what can I say. I got compassion for the over eaters of the
>>>> western
>>>> deit, but think they are "BETTER!" then drug users(for WTFE "fill  
>>>> in
>>>> the blank reason"
>>>>
>>>> Heath or other wise,because  I personally believe we all get fucked
>>>> the same in society!!!!
>>>>
>>>> To me there as much as I want to believe there a different, but in
>>>> "reality", I don't see "much" of one?????????????????????????????
>>>>
>>>> Oh. U are just up graded from non
>>>> Animal, to less human, how about
>>>> that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> Oh and chirstion are wonderful with long sounding disease and
>>>> narctics, they, unless it's "one of thier kids!!!"
>>>> U are a pile of worthless shit...............
>>>>
>>>> Unless your cathic!!!!!!!!! Then all they needed was "one word!!!"
>>>> "alcohol anywhere in the bible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> And that was it!! "that did it!!"
>>>> That's all she wrote!!" If it would have said "poppy plants" Or
>>>> "opiates" or marijauna!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> In the bible there would be 99.9% of Indiana would fuck off thier
>>>> asses!!
>>>>
>>>> They all be at the ER and the doctor office....
>>>> Yea,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 30, 2009, at 2:31 AM, Brad Hays <bradleyheathhays at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What is this hate from this outsider?  Oh please everybody just  
>>>>> drop
>>>>> this thread.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 3:02 AM, g. bunnie <gbgbunnie at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> He could rob more banks when he gets out of prison to pay the
>>>>> government back $162 mil. like stealing from the rich to give to  
>>>>> the
>>>>> richer. or he could borrow it from dana.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Vector Vector
>>>>> <vector620022002 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> The part you missed in the url you sent, is the $162 million in
>>>>> restitution he has to pay the government. Not so sure mom and dad
>>>>> can write a check for that one. That means he may be out of prison
>>>>> in 2 years, he's not allowed to touch computers which is the one
>>>>> thing he knows how to do that makes legit money, so what then,  
>>>>> he's
>>>>> the government's slave for the next 5,000 years it takes him to  
>>>>> make
>>>>> $162million working in a burger joint? How do you get a job in the
>>>>> IT industry if all your experience is using computers which you  
>>>>> are
>>>>> obviously good at, if not too socially conscious using, but who  
>>>>> the
>>>>> fuck cares if he's stealing money from banks, good on him. But if
>>>>> you can't work in your field, which is the only way he could
>>>>> reasonably ever be expected to make that much money and only  
>>>>> with a
>>>>> lot of work and a lot of luck, then where are you supposed to come
>>>>> up with $162 million???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .:vec
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>> From: g. bunnie <gbgbunnie at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Wed, December 30, 2009 7:35:15 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Patrick call your brother.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> woot! awright! Your hate is beautiful. mad props. yo patric if  
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> bro stole 130 million credit cards, can I borrow 13? that would
>>>>>> hold
>>>>>> me. Whoever his lawyer is is amazing, he walks with 2 years time
>>>>> when
>>>>>> they're trying to nail everybody else with life sentences+ ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The part I love most is the secret service's snitch who was  
>>>>>> part of
>>>>>> the gang and got everyone busted. course he's out comitting 40
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> felonies mostly for guns and drugs, while being their snitch to
>>>>> bring
>>>>>> down one case. gotta love our government.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/08/11-charged-in-m/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> fave part 'The feds were equally surprised to find Gonzalez  
>>>>>> behind
>>>>> the
>>>>>> wave of retail intrusions that followed Operation Firewall, they
>>>>> said
>>>>>> Tuesday. "We immediately took action," said Secret Service  
>>>>>> director
>>>>>> Mark Sullivan. The government says the amount of credit cards
>>>>>> stolen
>>>>>> by Gonzalez makes him eligible for life imprisonment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gonzalez was under pre-trial court supervision from his New  
>>>>>> Jersey
>>>>>> case while he allegedly performed the crimes, court records show.
>>>>> The
>>>>>> government is seeking forfeiture of Gonzalez?s Miami condo, h
>>>>>> is 20
>>>>> 06
>>>>>> BMW, a Glock 27 firearm, and a currency counter, among other
>>>>>> things,
>>>>>> as well as  $1,650,000 in cash.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The case is not the first time a Secret Service informant has  
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> linked to ongoing crimes. Last year Brett Shannon Johnson, a
>>>>>> 38-year-old man known online as Gollumfun, was sentenced to more
>>>>> than
>>>>>> six years in prison for an identity theft tax-refund scam he
>>>>> conducted
>>>>>> while working for the feds as a paid informant.'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 7:08 AM, Pinky Green
>>>>> <pinkyzgreen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Patrick you should call your brother, despite being barred from
>>>>> using
>>>>>>> a computer for the next 100+ years, he's writing on your  
>>>>>>> facebook
>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whoever you have for parents, they do seem to have the gene pool
>>>>> which
>>>>>>> produces very tall, very smart, pumped up, viking like people...
>>>>> who
>>>>>>> are stone cold sociopaths.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've much respect for your life Patrick, both of your minds, but
>>>>> I am
>>>>>>> really curious do you two have parents? You must have, the Wired
>>>>> story
>>>>>>> says your mom paid for your brother's apartment in NYC after the
>>>>>>> Secret Service and FBI raided him and he lost his $200,000 a  
>>>>>>> year
>>>>> job
>>>>>>> working on wall street. So they're rich. How do they feel when
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> see their kids plastered all over the world like this? Do they
>>>>> care,
>>>>>>> did they ever care, is whatever they did to you as kids the
>>>>> reason you
>>>>>>> became the grown ups you became? My parents would want to commit
>>>>>>> suicide if they ever saw their children like this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Holiday greetings, love and prison cells!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Former Morgan Stanley Coder Gets 2 Years in Prison for TJX Hack
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/12/stephen-watt/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The two great friends talked every day and shared information
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> all of their exploits ? sexual, narcotic and hacking ?
>>>>> according to
>>>>>>> prosecutors. Now another thing they?ll have to share inf 
>>>>>>> ormation
>>>>> about
>>>>>>> is their experience in federal prison.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While accused TJX hacker kingpin Albert Gonzalez awaits a  
>>>>>>> possible
>>>>>>> sentence of 17 years or more in prison, one of his best friends
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> accomplices was sentenced on Tuesday in Boston to two years for
>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>> role in what the feds are calling ?the largest identity  
>>>>>>> theft in
>>>>> our
>>>>>>> nation?s history.?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stephen Watt, a 25-year-old former Morgan Stanley software
>>>>> engineer,
>>>>>>> pleaded guilty last December to creating a custom sniffing  
>>>>>>> program
>>>>>>> dubbed ?blabla? that Gonzalez and other hackers used t 
>>>>>>> o siphon
>>>>>>> millions of credit and debit card numbers from TJX?s networ
>>>>>>> k. The
>>>>>>> breach cost TJX $200 million, according to its 2009 SEC filing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Watt?s lawyer had sought a sentence of probation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But instead the 7-foot-tall coder who once had a bright
>>>>> professional
>>>>>>> future got two years in federal prison and three years of
>>>>> probation. A
>>>>>>> spokeswoman for the U.S. attorney?s office in Massachuse 
>>>>>>> tts said
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> judge also ordered Watt to pay restitution to TJX in the  
>>>>>>> amount of
>>>>>>> $171.5 million.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> According to a source familiar with the case, U.S. District  
>>>>>>> Judge
>>>>>>> Nancy Gertner indicated that her sentence was based in part on  
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> enormity of the harm that was caused to the public by the crime
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> Watt?s undeniable assistance in causing that harm.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ?She believed in the end that a probation sentence woul 
>>>>>>> d not be
>>>>>>> sufficient to satisfy the general deterrence to prevent harm to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> public,? the source said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> His lawyer, Michael Farkas, declined to comment on the  
>>>>>>> sentencing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Farkas asserted in his court filings that Watt was a minor and
>>>>>>> peripheral player in the credit card theft ring that Gonzalez
>>>>> dubbed
>>>>>>> ?Operation Get Rich or Die Tryin? that began in 2005 t 
>>>>>>> o breach
>>>>>>> numerous vulnerable national retailers and card processors.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Watt, who graduated from high school at 16 with a 4.37 grade  
>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>> average, was driven by intellectual curiosity and friendship,  
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> greed, his lawyer said, and had no idea his program would be put
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> criminal use.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Prosecutors never alleged that Watt received money for the
>>>>> software he
>>>>>>> wrote, or directly profited from the hacks. But they brandished
>>>>> more
>>>>>>> than 300 pages of chats the two friends exchanged that belied  
>>>>>>> Wat
>>>>> t?s
>>>>>>> stated ignorance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ?You have got to convince typedeaf to do some work for me,?
>>>>> Gonzalez
>>>>>>> wrote Watt in one of them, referencing the handle of another
>>>>> hacker.
>>>>>>> ?If he was able to hack some euro dumps we can make a fo 
>>>>>>> rtune. I
>>>>>>> hacked a place and took ~30k euro dumps and this last week I  
>>>>>>> made
>>>>> ~11k
>>>>>>> from only selling ~968 dumps.? (Dumps are the carding under
>>>>>>> ground
>>>>> ?s
>>>>>>> term for credit or debit card magstripe data, including account
>>>>>>> numbers.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As Gonzalez and his accomplices hacked target after target, he
>>>>>>> sent
>>>>>>> Watt links to news stories describing a tidal wave of debit  
>>>>>>> fraud
>>>>>>> spreading around the world.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Authorities found Watt?s customized code stored on a server
>>>>>>> Gonza
>>>>> lez
>>>>>>> leased in Latvia, as well as 16.3 million stolen card numbers.
>>>>> Another
>>>>>>> 27.5 million stolen numbers were found on a server in Ukraine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They said Watt was a witness to the ill-gotten gains his code
>>>>>>> produced. He attended a $75,000 birthday party Gonzalez threw  
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> himself, and discussed launching a nightclub with Gonzalez?
>>>>>>> s back
>>>>> ing.
>>>>>>> Gonzalez worried that because his money was mostly in cash, it
>>>>> would
>>>>>>> draw suspicion to the club. He offered to produce a check for
>>>>> $300,000
>>>>>>> for Watt to make the transaction appear more legitimate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Watt and Gonzalez met online when Watt was still in high school
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> bonded over a shared fascination with computers. While still a
>>>>> teen,
>>>>>>> Farkas says, Watt worked for Florida software firm Identitech.  
>>>>>>> He
>>>>> was
>>>>>>> hired by Morgan Stanley in New York 2004 earning $90,000 as a
>>>>> software
>>>>>>> engineer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After he moved to New York, he began experimenting with drugs  
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> frequenting clubs. He left Morgan Stanley in 2007 for a higher-
>>>>> paying
>>>>>>> job at Imagine Software, developing real-time trading programs  
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> financial firms, earning about $130,000.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is where he was working on Aug. 13, 2008, when authorities
>>>>>>> swooped in to search the premises. Watt, who is married, was
>>>>> fired and
>>>>>>> is now banned from working in the securities industry.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Currently unemployed, his lawyer says he?s been living in a
>>>>>>> n apar
>>>>> tment
>>>>>>> his mother paid off while awaiting sentencing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ?Watt will have to start over, and hope that his skills  
>>>>>>> not only
>>>>> will
>>>>>>> land him on his feet,? Farkas wrote in a court filing ea 
>>>>>>> rlier th
>>>>> is
>>>>>>> year, ?but that they will do so in a field that is at least
>>>>>>> somew
>>>>> hat
>>>>>>> as financially promising as the career that he has lost.?
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Subject: [Ibogaine] Voacanga africana Questions
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From dcollier9 at q.com  Fri Jan  1 14:47:29 2010
From: dcollier9 at q.com (DC from AZ)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 12:47:29 -0700
Subject: [Ibogaine] Happy 2010 !, Lamborene Poduction Notes out there ?,
	was Re:  ordering rootbark off the net
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Happy and blessed 2010 to every soul out there in the cyberspaces...
(especially extract makers)

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Question: Lamborene - is it documented out there, so it could me manufactured again  ?

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: wleetheriot 
  To: ibogaine at mindvox.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 12:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ordering rootbark off the net






  Has anyone tried this place and are they reliable for HCL [now as rootbark is out of stock] for someone living in Canada?
  http://www.ethnogarden.com


  Peace,
  Warren






  On Jun 15, 2007, at 4:53 PM, Paul Brookshaw wrote:


    Only my experience Matt, but other than one or two sources it is all crap!
    Just my five on that.
    Shamanic manics suck!


                                        Paul'




      From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
      Reply-To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
      To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
      Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ordering rootbark off the net
      Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:30:56 +0000 (GMT)


      Matt,
      You contacted me about this before, I thought you were sorted by now?
      Simon




      ----- Original Message ----
      From: Matthew Shriver <Matt at ITSupport.net>
      To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
      Sent: Friday, 15 June, 2007 12:00:06 PM
      Subject: [Ibogaine] ordering rootbark off the net




      I wonder if anyone else has ordered T. Iboga rootbark from an internet site and gotten something else.  I ordered from shamanic-extracts a long time ago and they sent something that was total bunk.  It made me very tired and run down and did not feel anything like the hcl.  More recently I ordered some from the guy on shroombay and after talking to some people I am pretty certain it is V. Africana.  This stuff also makes me a little tired and run down (that lasts about 36 to 48 hours).  But in larger doses it definitely does feel ibogainey.  The ataxia symptoms seem more severe also and although I did not think much of this symptom until someone else mentioned it with V. Africana, it makes my eyes very red.  By way of comparison I did get some authentic T. Iboga rootbark from a friend on the list and it was stimulating (as it should) rather than making me tired, and it felt like hcl in even fairly small doses, and not vaguely ibogainey either, it felt very much like
       ibogaine.  I have since come to find out that that bark came from maya-ethnobotanicals.  Maya is a little more expensive than some of the other sites out there but so far it is the only place that has actually provided authentic T. Iboga rootbark.  Does anyone else have any experience with any other web vendors?  I would appreciate the pooling of the knowledge in this area.


      Matt




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From jimhadey3 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  1 16:16:57 2010
From: jimhadey3 at yahoo.com (Jim Hadey)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 13:16:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ibogaine] http://www.ethnogarden.com
Message-ID: <182216.46658.qm@web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Matt,

This link http://www.ethnogarden.com? will sell you the real
stuff.? It is 98% pure hcl.? But the price is high.? They do not
ship to the U.S.

Best,

? - JIM




      
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From jimhadey3 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  1 16:24:05 2010
From: jimhadey3 at yahoo.com (Jim Hadey)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 13:24:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ibogaine] (no subject)
Message-ID: <607800.7859.qm@web51305.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Hi Matt,

"James Forristal" <psychonaut101 at gmail.com> got ripped by
them.? Also that Shroom Bay.? Keep away from some guy who
tries to pretend he is with Shroom Bay but is not.? His name 
starts with an A and he lives in Spain and has several web sites.
He almost ripped me of at one of the worst times and has ripped
other off.? You write a letter to Shroom Bay and he contacts
you pretending to the be the guy a t Shroom Bay and will take
your money vie Pay Pall.? Then I wrote a letter to Shroom Bay
and they said you deal it with whatever his name is - he has nothing 
to do with us.? He can even show you list listing and and high approval
rating.? I am not knocking Shroom Bay but whch out for this guy.? If
you were to give me his name I would recognize it.

Be very careful,

? - JIM



      
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From ibogamail at gmail.com  Fri Jan  1 16:34:30 2010
From: ibogamail at gmail.com (Matt S)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:34:30 -0700
Subject: [Ibogaine] http://www.ethnogarden.com
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From ibogamail at gmail.com  Fri Jan  1 16:43:23 2010
From: ibogamail at gmail.com (Matt S)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:43:23 -0700
Subject: [Ibogaine] (no subject)
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From jimhadey3 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  1 17:42:18 2010
From: jimhadey3 at yahoo.com (Jim Hadey)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:42:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ibogaine] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <4B3E6C7B.8070504@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <97359.37285.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Hi Matt,

One message was meant for 
  wleetheriot who wrote in,
it may be the delay of the net or I could have made
a mistake.? Then I seen your letter and thought I
would give a quick answer for you could look at the
previous letter.? For some reason someone
asked about shroom Bay and I wanted to warn people.
I may of posted in the wrong place.? I am glad your 
are warning people, its wrong to rip off those in such
need.? Not much better than stealing pencils from the
blind man.? 

Also, several people were talking about V Africana and I
ask them to wait and see what James had to say.? For as
you know he has been ripped off and made sick.? And I can't
help but think he could have died and would? the company care?

I may of entered the wrong name.? Sorry about any confusion
I may of caused.? And thanks for warning the people, if we both
have the same story and no reason to lie we may of just saved
some people money and a uncomfortable few days.

Best to ya,

? - JIM

--- On Fri, 1/1/10, Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (no subject)
To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 4:43 PM




  
Hi Jim



I don't understand who you are talking to.? I am the only Matt who has
posted in a while and I have been on this list for ages so none of this
info is really necessary for me. I am familiar with the guy who goes by
aliados from shroombay.? I am familiar with the V Africana that
Shamanic Extracts sells as T Iboga, I have been warning people about it
for years.? In fact I believe James was under the impression that T
Iboga was very harsh physically until I commented that what Shamanic
Extracts sells is not T Iboga whereupon he realized his mistake.? I am
sure that since then he has probably had T Iboga himself to see the
difference but I seem to recall that back then he didn't realize that
they had pulled a switcharoo on him and was under the mistaken
impression that the root bark was this horrible ordeal compared to the
hcl.? Did you mistakenly address these last two posts to me and meant
them for someone else?



Matt





Jim Hadey wrote:

  
    
      
        

Hi Matt,

        

"James Forristal" <psychonaut101 at gmail.com> got ripped by

them.? Also that Shroom Bay.? Keep away from some guy who

tries to pretend he is with Shroom Bay but is not.? His name 

starts with an A and he lives in Spain and has several web sites.

He almost ripped me of at one of the worst times and has ripped

other off.? You write a letter to Shroom Bay and he contacts

you pretending to the be the guy a t Shroom Bay and will take

your money vie Pay Pall.? Then I wrote a letter to Shroom Bay

and they said you deal it with whatever his name is - he has nothing 

to do with us.? He can even show you list listing and and high approval

rating.? I am not knocking Shroom Bay but whch out for this guy.? If

you were to give me his name I would recognize it.

        

Be very careful,

        

? - JIM

        
      
    
  
  

  

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From psychonaut101 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  1 17:51:10 2010
From: psychonaut101 at gmail.com (James Forristal)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:51:10 -0800
Subject: [Ibogaine] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <4B3E6C7B.8070504@gmail.com>
References: <607800.7859.qm@web51305.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<4B3E6C7B.8070504@gmail.com>
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Yeah that was the only rootbark I'd worked with and due to that
experience was afraid to touch it again... Until you informed me that
it was infact V. Africana... Thank you!

On 1/1/10, Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Jim
>
> I don't understand who you are talking to.? I am the only Matt who has
> posted in a while and I have been on this list for ages so none of this info
> is really necessary for me. I am familiar with the guy who goes by aliados
> from shroombay.? I am familiar with the V Africana that Shamanic Extracts
> sells as T Iboga, I have been warning people about it for years.? In fact I
> believe James was under the impression that T Iboga was very harsh
> physically until I commented that what Shamanic Extracts sells is not T
> Iboga whereupon he realized his mistake.? I am sure that since then he has
> probably had T Iboga himself to see the difference but I seem to recall that
> back then he didn't realize that they had pulled a switcharoo on him and was
> under the mistaken impression that the root bark was this horrible ordeal
> compared to the hcl.? Did you mistakenly address these last two posts to me
> and meant them for someone else?
>
> Matt
>
>
> Jim Hadey wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Matt,
>>
>> "James Forristal" <psychonaut101 at gmail.com> got ripped by
>> them.? Also that Shroom Bay.? Keep away from some guy who
>> tries to pretend he is with Shroom Bay but is not.? His name
>> starts with an A and he lives in Spain and has several web sites.
>> He almost ripped me of at one of the worst times and has ripped
>> other off.? You write a letter to Shroom Bay and he contacts
>> you pretending to the be the guy a t Shroom Bay and will take
>> your money vie Pay Pall.? Then I wrote a letter to Shroom Bay
>> and they said you deal it with whatever his name is - he has nothing
>> to do with us.? He can even show you list listing and and high approval
>> rating.? I am not knocking Shroom Bay but whch out for this guy.? If
>> you were to give me his name I would recognize it.
>>
>> Be very careful,
>>
>> ? - JIM
>>
>>
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From: ibogamail at gmail.com (Matt S)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:36:45 -0700
Subject: [Ibogaine] (no subject)
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From BigDog at TeraDog.com  Fri Jan  1 18:27:01 2010
From: BigDog at TeraDog.com (robertj)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:27:01 -0600
Subject: [Ibogaine] Voacanga africana Questions
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From jimhadey3 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  1 19:44:54 2010
From: jimhadey3 at yahoo.com (Jim Hadey)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:44:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ibogaine] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <4B3E870D.8030803@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41803.93839.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Hi Matt,

Here is a cut and paste of the e-mail that was buried
in with several others.? Maybe a different Matt according
to the e-mail.? Maybe that explains it.

>>>>>>>

---- Original Message ----
      From: Matthew Shriver <Matt at ITSupport.net>
      To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
      Sent: Friday, 15 June, 2007 12:00:06 PM
      Subject: [Ibogaine] ordering rootbark off the 
      net
      

      

      I wonder if anyone else has ordered T. Iboga 
      rootbark from an internet site and gotten something else.? I ordered from shamanic-extracts 
      a long time ago and they sent something that was total bunk.? It made me very tired and run 
      down and did not feel anything like the hcl.? More recently I ordered some 
      from the guy on shroombay and after talking to some people I am pretty 
      certain it is V. Africana.? 
      This stuff also makes me a little tired and run down (that lasts 
      about 36 to 48 hours).? But 
      in larger doses it definitely does feel ibogainey.? The ataxia symptoms seem more 
      severe also and although I did not think much of this symptom until 
      someone else mentioned it with V. Africana, it makes my eyes very 
      red.? By way of comparison I 
      did get some authentic T. Iboga rootbark from a friend on the list and it 
      was stimulating (as it should) rather than making me tired, and it felt 
      like hcl in even fairly small doses, and not vaguely ibogainey either, it 
      felt very much like
      ?ibogaine.? I have since come to find out 
      that that bark came from maya-ethnobotanicals.? Maya is a little more expensive 
      than some of the other sites out there but so far it is the only place 
      that has actually provided authentic T. Iboga rootbark.? Does anyone else have any 
      experience with any other web vendors?? I would appreciate the pooling 
      of the knowledge in this area.
      

      Matt
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

--- On Fri, 1/1/10, Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (no subject)
To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 6:36 PM




  
Well now you have me wondering if I am missing posts. I haven't seen a
post from Warren in ages and nothing about shroombay recently.? Weird.



Matt



Jim Hadey wrote:

  
    
      
        

Hi Matt,

        

One message was meant for wleetheriot
who wrote in,

it may be the delay of the net or I could have made

a mistake.? Then I seen your letter and thought I

would give a quick answer for you could look at the

previous letter.? For some reason someone

asked about shroom Bay and I wanted to warn people.

I may of posted in the wrong place.? I am glad your 

are warning people, its wrong to rip off those in such

need.? Not much better than stealing pencils from the

blind man.? 

        

Also, several people were talking about V Africana and I

ask them to wait and see what James had to say.? For as

you know he has been ripped off and made sick.? And I can't

help but think he could have died and would? the company care?

        

I may of entered the wrong name.? Sorry about any confusion

I may of caused.? And thanks for warning the people, if we both

have the same story and no reason to lie we may of just saved

some people money and a uncomfortable few days.

        

Best to ya,

        

? - JIM

        

--- On Fri, 1/1/10, Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com>
wrote:

        

From: Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (no subject)

To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>

Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 4:43 PM

          

           Hi Jim

          

I don't understand who you are talking to.? I am the only Matt who has
posted in a while and I have been on this list for ages so none of this
info is really necessary for me. I am familiar with the guy who goes by
aliados from shroombay.? I am familiar with the V Africana that
Shamanic Extracts sells as T Iboga, I have been warning people about it
for years.? In fact I believe James was under the impression that T
Iboga was very harsh physically until I commented that what Shamanic
Extracts sells is not T Iboga whereupon he realized his mistake.? I am
sure that since then he has probably had T Iboga himself to see the
difference but I seem to recall that back then he didn't realize that
they had pulled a switcharoo on him and was under the mistaken
impression that the root bark was this horrible ordeal compared to the
hcl.? Did you mistakenly address these last two posts to me and meant
them for someone else?

          

Matt

          

          

Jim Hadey wrote:
          
            
              
                
                  

Hi Matt,

                  

"James Forristal" <psychonaut101 at gmail.com>
got ripped by

them.? Also that Shroom Bay.? Keep away from some guy who

tries to pretend he is with Shroom Bay but is not.? His name 

starts with an A and he lives in Spain and has several web sites.

He almost ripped me of at one of the worst times and has ripped

other off.? You write a letter to Shroom Bay and he contacts

you pretending to the be the guy a t Shroom Bay and will take

your money vie Pay Pall.? Then I wrote a letter to Shroom Bay

and they said you deal it with whatever his name is - he has nothing 

to do with us.? He can even show you list listing and and high approval

rating.? I am not knocking Shroom Bay but whch out for this guy.? If

you were to give me his name I would recognize it.

                  

Be very careful,

                  

? - JIM

                  
                
              
            
            

            

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From jolazopa at mac.com  Fri Jan  1 19:59:23 2010
From: jolazopa at mac.com (jolazopa at mac.com)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:59:23 -0700
Subject: [Ibogaine] http://www.ethnogarden.com
In-Reply-To: <182216.46658.qm@web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <182216.46658.qm@web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42E49C41-3209-4F26-B58B-0006A2DF8249@mac.com>

I CAN GET IT INMEXICO ,I,M WORKING ON IT ,THESE THINGS TAKE TIME I,M  
THE NEW GRREGO IN TOWN!!LOL
On Jan 1, 2010, at 2:16 PM, Jim Hadey wrote:

>
> Matt,
>
> This link http://www.ethnogarden.com  will sell you the real
> stuff.  It is 98% pure hcl.  But the price is high.  They do not
> ship to the U.S.
>
> Best,
>
>   - JIM
>
>
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From: ibogamail at gmail.com (Matt S)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:26:48 -0700
Subject: [Ibogaine] (no subject)
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From: masterhermesbathory at gmail.com (Matthew Zielinski)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 22:56:14 -0500
Subject: [Ibogaine] (no subject)
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Message-ID: <7498a6cc1001011956i4ac285d6t5b9a41351e4ed3a8@mail.gmail.com>

LOL :-)

On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jim
>
> What is confusing me now is that that particular post that you resurrected
> is from 2 and half years ago.  That was my post from before I decided I
> didn't want these kinds of conversations to show up by googling my name and
> changed how it appears but that was a long time ago.  Are you saying you
> received that email recently some how?
>
>
> Matt
>
> Jim Hadey wrote:
>
>
> Hi Matt,
>
> Here is a cut and paste of the e-mail that was buried
> in with several others.  Maybe a different Matt according
> to the e-mail.  Maybe that explains it.
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: Matthew Shriver <Matt at ITSupport.net<http://us.mc513.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Matt at ITSupport.net>
> >
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com<http://us.mc513.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Friday, 15 June, 2007 12:00:06 PM
> Subject: [Ibogaine] ordering rootbark off the net
>
>
> I wonder if anyone else has ordered T. Iboga rootbark from an internet site
> and gotten something else.  I ordered from shamanic-extracts a long time
> ago and they sent something that was total bunk.  It made me very tired
> and run down and did not feel anything like the hcl.  More recently I
> ordered some from the guy on shroombay and after talking to some people I am
> pretty certain it is V. Africana.  This stuff also makes me a little tired
> and run down (that lasts about 36 to 48 hours).  But in larger doses it
> definitely does feel ibogainey.  The ataxia symptoms seem more severe also
> and although I did not think much of this symptom until someone else
> mentioned it with V. Africana, it makes my eyes very red.  By way of
> comparison I did get some authentic T. Iboga rootbark from a friend on the
> list and it was stimulating (as it should) rather than making me tired, and
> it felt like hcl in even fairly small doses, and not vaguely ibogainey
> either, it felt very much like
>  ibogaine.  I have since come to find out that that bark came from
> maya-ethnobotanicals.  Maya is a little more expensive than some of the
> other sites out there but so far it is the only place that has actually
> provided authentic T. Iboga rootbark.  Does anyone else have any
> experience with any other web vendors?  I would appreciate the pooling of
> the knowledge in this area.
>
> Matt
>
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> --- On *Fri, 1/1/10, Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com> <ibogamail at gmail.com>*wrote:
>
>
> From: Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com> <ibogamail at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (no subject)
> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com> <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 6:36 PM
>
> Well now you have me wondering if I am missing posts. I haven't seen a post
> from Warren in ages and nothing about shroombay recently.  Weird.
>
> Matt
>
> Jim Hadey wrote:
>
>
> Hi Matt,
>
> One message was meant for wleetheriot<http://us.mc513.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wleetheriot at ca.rr.com>who wrote in,
> it may be the delay of the net or I could have made
> a mistake.  Then I seen your letter and thought I
> would give a quick answer for you could look at the
> previous letter.  For some reason someone
> asked about shroom Bay and I wanted to warn people.
> I may of posted in the wrong place.  I am glad your
> are warning people, its wrong to rip off those in such
> need.  Not much better than stealing pencils from the
> blind man.
>
> Also, several people were talking about V Africana and I
> ask them to wait and see what James had to say.  For as
> you know he has been ripped off and made sick.  And I can't
> help but think he could have died and would  the company care?
>
> I may of entered the wrong name.  Sorry about any confusion
> I may of caused.  And thanks for warning the people, if we both
> have the same story and no reason to lie we may of just saved
> some people money and a uncomfortable few days.
>
> Best to ya,
>
>   - JIM
>
> --- On *Fri, 1/1/10, Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com><http://mc/compose?to=ibogamail at gmail.com>
> * wrote:
>
>
> From: Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com><http://mc/compose?to=ibogamail at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (no subject)
> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com><http://mc/compose?to=ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 4:43 PM
>
> Hi Jim
>
> I don't understand who you are talking to.  I am the only Matt who has
> posted in a while and I have been on this list for ages so none of this info
> is really necessary for me. I am familiar with the guy who goes by aliados
> from shroombay.  I am familiar with the V Africana that Shamanic Extracts
> sells as T Iboga, I have been warning people about it for years.  In fact I
> believe James was under the impression that T Iboga was very harsh
> physically until I commented that what Shamanic Extracts sells is not T
> Iboga whereupon he realized his mistake.  I am sure that since then he has
> probably had T Iboga himself to see the difference but I seem to recall that
> back then he didn't realize that they had pulled a switcharoo on him and was
> under the mistaken impression that the root bark was this horrible ordeal
> compared to the hcl.  Did you mistakenly address these last two posts to me
> and meant them for someone else?
>
> Matt
>
>
> Jim Hadey wrote:
>
>
> Hi Matt,
>
> "James Forristal" <psychonaut101 at gmail.com> got ripped by
> them.  Also that Shroom Bay.  Keep away from some guy who
> tries to pretend he is with Shroom Bay but is not.  His name
> starts with an A and he lives in Spain and has several web sites.
> He almost ripped me of at one of the worst times and has ripped
> other off.  You write a letter to Shroom Bay and he contacts
> you pretending to the be the guy a t Shroom Bay and will take
> your money vie Pay Pall.  Then I wrote a letter to Shroom Bay
> and they said you deal it with whatever his name is - he has nothing
> to do with us.  He can even show you list listing and and high approval
> rating.  I am not knocking Shroom Bay but whch out for this guy.  If
> you were to give me his name I would recognize it.
>
> Be very careful,
>
>   - JIM
>
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From jimhadey3 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  2 11:37:38 2010
From: jimhadey3 at yahoo.com (Jim Hadey)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 08:37:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ibogaine] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <7498a6cc1001011956i4ac285d6t5b9a41351e4ed3a8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <771534.88954.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Hi All

The original letter was written by DZ from Arizona and dated 01-01-10.
and he wished everyone peace and love. 

Then somehow several the letters showed up with a date of 2007.? I 
seldom look at the date and have no idea how they got there.? I did not
resurrect the post, I just answered it.? 

>>>? Are you saying you received that email recently some how? 


Yes, it was posted on the forum - everyone seen it.? I just answered
it.? I have no idea how it got there.

As far as the guy in Italy, I have buried the hatchet and there are no bad
feelings as you have to let go and New Years is a good time.? Here is
the whole thing from start to finish.? It is no secret since it has been posted
to the forum the other day.? Yea, I can see your concern.?? Here is the whole
thing from start to finish in case you deleted it.

Hope this helps,

? - JIM


            
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: 
  wleetheriot 
  To: ibogaine at mindvox.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 12:11 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ordering rootbark 
  off the net
  

  

  

  Has anyone tried this place and are they reliable for HCL [now as 
  rootbark is out of stock] for someone living in Canada?
  http://www.ethnogarden.com
  

  Peace,
  Warren
  

  

  

  
  On Jun 15, 2007, at 4:53 PM, Paul Brookshaw wrote:

  
    Only my experience Matt, but other than one or two 
    sources it is all crap!
    Just my five on that.
    Shamanic manics suck!
    

    ? ? 
    ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 
    ? ? ? ? ? Paul'
    

    

    
      From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
      Reply-To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
      To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
      Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ordering rootbark off the 
      net
      Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:30:56 +0000 (GMT)
      

      Matt,
      You contacted me about this before, I thought you 
      were sorted by now?
      Simon
      

      

      ----- Original Message ----
      From: Matthew Shriver <Matt at ITSupport.net>
      To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
      Sent: Friday, 15 June, 2007 12:00:06 PM
      Subject: [Ibogaine] ordering rootbark off the 
      net
      

      

      I wonder if anyone else has ordered T. Iboga 
      rootbark from an internet site and gotten something else.? I ordered from shamanic-extracts 
      a long time ago and they sent something that was total bunk.? It made me very tired and run 
      down and did not feel anything like the hcl.? More recently I ordered some 
      from the guy on shroombay and after talking to some people I am pretty 
      certain it is V. Africana.? 
      This stuff also makes me a little tired and run down (that lasts 
      about 36 to 48 hours).? But 
      in larger doses it definitely does feel ibogainey.? The ataxia symptoms seem more 
      severe also and although I did not think much of this symptom until 
      someone else mentioned it with V. Africana, it makes my eyes very 
      red.? By way of comparison I 
      did get some authentic T. Iboga rootbark from a friend on the list and it 
      was stimulating (as it should) rather than making me tired, and it felt 
      like hcl in even fairly small doses, and not vaguely ibogainey either, it 
      felt very much like
      ?ibogaine.? I have since come to find out 
      that that bark came from maya-ethnobotanicals.? Maya is a little more expensive 
      than some of the other sites out there but so far it is the only place 
      that has actually provided authentic T. Iboga rootbark.? Does anyone else have any 
      experience with any other web vendors?? I would appreciate the pooling 
      of the knowledge in this area.
      

      Matt
      

      

      ? ? 
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--- On Fri, 1/1/10, Matthew Zielinski <masterhermesbathory at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Matthew Zielinski <masterhermesbathory at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (no subject)
To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 10:56 PM

LOL :-)?


On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com> wrote:


Hi Jim

What is confusing me now is that that particular post that you resurrected is from 2 and half years ago.? That was my post from before I decided I didn't want these kinds of conversations to show up by googling my name and changed how it appears but that was a long time ago.? Are you saying you received that email recently some how? 




Matt

Jim Hadey wrote: 





Hi Matt,

Here is a cut and paste of the e-mail that was buried
in with several others.? Maybe a different Matt according

to the e-mail.? Maybe that explains it.

>>>>>>>

---- Original Message ---- 
From: Matthew Shriver <Matt at ITSupport.net>
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, 15 June, 2007 12:00:06 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] ordering rootbark off the net




I wonder if anyone else has ordered T. Iboga rootbark from an internet site and gotten something else.? I ordered from shamanic-extracts a long time ago and they sent something that was total bunk.? It made me very tired and run down and did not feel anything like the hcl.? More recently I ordered some from the guy on shroombay and after talking to some people I am pretty certain it is V. Africana.? This stuff also makes me a little tired and run down (that lasts about 36 to 48 hours).? But in larger doses it definitely does feel ibogainey.? The ataxia symptoms seem more severe also and although I did not think much of this symptom until someone else mentioned it with V. Africana, it makes my eyes very red.? By way of comparison I did get some authentic T. Iboga rootbark from a friend on the list and it was stimulating (as it should) rather than making me tired, and it felt like hcl in even fairly small doses, and not vaguely ibogainey either, it
 felt very much like

?ibogaine.? I have since come to find out that that bark came from maya-ethnobotanicals.? Maya is a little more expensive than some of the other sites out there but so far it is the only place that has actually provided authentic T. Iboga rootbark.? Does anyone else have any experience with any other web vendors?? I would appreciate the pooling of the knowledge in this area.



Matt
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

--- On Fri, 1/1/10, Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com> wrote:



From: Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (no subject)

To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 6:36 PM


Well now you have me wondering if I am missing posts. I haven't seen a post from Warren in ages and nothing about shroombay recently.? Weird.

Matt

Jim Hadey wrote: 





Hi Matt,

One message was meant for wleetheriot who wrote in,

it may be the delay of the net or I could have made
a mistake.? Then I seen your letter and thought I
would give a quick answer for you could look at the
previous letter.? For some reason someone
asked about shroom Bay and I wanted to warn people.

I may of posted in the wrong place.? I am glad your 
are warning people, its wrong to rip off those in such
need.? Not much better than stealing pencils from the
blind man.? 

Also, several people were talking about V Africana and I

ask them to wait and see what James had to say.? For as
you know he has been ripped off and made sick.? And I can't
help but think he could have died and would? the company care?

I may of entered the wrong name.? Sorry about any confusion

I may of caused.? And thanks for warning the people, if we both
have the same story and no reason to lie we may of just saved
some people money and a uncomfortable few days.

Best to ya,

? - JIM


--- On Fri, 1/1/10, Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (no subject)
To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 4:43 PM



Hi Jim

I don't understand who you are talking to.? I am the only Matt who has posted in a while and I have been on this list for ages so none of this info is really necessary for me. I am familiar with the guy who goes by aliados from shroombay.? I am familiar with the V Africana that Shamanic Extracts sells as T Iboga, I have been warning people about it for years.? In fact I believe James was under the impression that T Iboga was very harsh physically until I commented that what Shamanic Extracts sells is not T Iboga whereupon he realized his mistake.? I am sure that since then he has probably had T Iboga himself to see the difference but I seem to recall that back then he didn't realize that they had pulled a switcharoo on him and was under the mistaken impression that the root bark was this horrible ordeal compared to the hcl.? Did you mistakenly address these last two posts to me and meant them for someone else?


Matt


Jim Hadey wrote: 





Hi Matt,

"James Forristal" <psychonaut101 at gmail.com> got ripped by
them.? Also that Shroom Bay.? Keep away from some guy who

tries to pretend he is with Shroom Bay but is not.? His name 
starts with an A and he lives in Spain and has several web sites.
He almost ripped me of at one of the worst times and has ripped
other off.? You write a letter to Shroom Bay and he contacts

you pretending to the be the guy a t Shroom Bay and will take
your money vie Pay Pall.? Then I wrote a letter to Shroom Bay
and they said you deal it with whatever his name is - he has nothing 
to do with us.? He can even show you list listing and and high approval

rating.? I am not knocking Shroom Bay but whch out for this guy.? If
you were to give me his name I would recognize it.

Be very careful,

? - JIM




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From jlany123 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  2 13:54:57 2010
From: jlany123 at yahoo.com (J J)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 10:54:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga Daily Booster
Message-ID: <820494.3461.qm@web113108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I read someplace that one maintainence method was to take a very small amount of Iboga on a daily basis for 20 days and then take 10 days off and then do again and repeat. 

Can you repeat indefinitely?
Would it be best to do Iboga TA or Iboga HCL? for a daily booster?
What would be the recommend amount per day for a regular on going daily booster.


      
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From: junkboy64 at gmail.com (junkboy)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 12:37:56 -0700
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga Daily Booster
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i would use iboga (root bark) not extract or hcl...




On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 11:54 AM, J J <jlany123 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>  I read someplace that one maintainence method was to take a very small
> amount of Iboga on a daily basis for 20 days and then take 10 days off and
> then do again and repeat.
>
> Can you repeat indefinitely?
> Would it be best to do Iboga TA or Iboga HCL? for a daily booster?
> What would be the recommend amount per day for a regular on going daily
> booster.
>
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From: jlany123 at yahoo.com (J J)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 10:52:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
Message-ID: <113691.11999.qm@web113116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Do you think Iboga would be helpful if your a junk food eater. It may sound trivial but it is a problem.

I would like to improve my diet but it is like I'm addicted to junk food. 

I never really much liked fruits and vegetables. I wonder if you went in with the attention to eat healthier and to be more disciplined in general if Iboga would help??

Do you think Iboga HCL or Iboga TA would be better in this instance?

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From jlany123 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  2 13:58:35 2010
From: jlany123 at yahoo.com (J J)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 10:58:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ibogaine] New Iboga TA
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I heard the ratio of Iboga HCL to Iboga TA is 3:1
But I heard recently there was a new stronger Iboga TA? is this correct? 
If there is a stronger Iboga TA how do you know if your getting the older or the newer? 
If there is a new one what is its ratio compared to the amount of Iboga HCL u would take.
Thanks,
JJ



Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:15:08 -0800
From: James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga TA and Iboga HCL
Message-ID:
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TA is the total extract and contains all of the alkaloids found in the
iboga RB.  It aslo tends to have the plant fats and vegitative
material mixed in.  It's the best for boosters and psychospiritual
sessions but can also be used for detox with good sucess.

:HCL is just ibogaine hydrochloride with just a small amount of the
other alkaloids parcipitated with it..  This is what is most used for
opiate detox because it is the easiest to measure out accuately.

Rootbark alone takes a large amout of good fresh root and lots of
puking.  Only for the headstrong! 

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   1. Re: Switching from subox to short acting,    in prep for     detox.
      (James Forristal)
   2. Re: Switching from subox to short acting,    in prep for  detox.
      (Helpful Hopeful)
   3. Re: Switching from subox to short acting,    in prep for  detox.
      (Elina Hanninen)
   4. Re: HH self-treatment (was ibogaworld ibogaine) (Randy Faulconer)
   5. Re: Switching from subox to short acting,    in prep for     detox.
      (James Forristal)
   6. from subutex to methadone and full stop after a week or    so -
      ? (Elina Hanninen)
   7. Iboga TA and Iboga HCL (J J)
   8. Re: Switching from subox to short acting,    in prep for  detox.
      (Elina Hanninen)
   9. Re: Iboga TA and Iboga HCL (James Forristal)
  10. Re: Switching from subox to short acting,    in prep for     detox.
      (James Forristal)
  11. Re: HH self-treatment (was ibogaworld ibogaine) (Jim Hadey)
  12. Re: Switching from subox to short acting,    in prep for  detox.
      (Jim Hadey)
  13. Re: Switching from subox to short acting,    in prep for     detox.
      (James Forristal)
  14. Re: O.T. New York - Study by Harry Levine Shows More Blacks
      Are Arrested for Marijuana - NYTimes.com (Edward A. Weissbard)
  15. Re: O.T. New York - Study by Harry Levine Shows More    Blacks
      Are Arrested for Marijuana - NYTimes.com (Nyc Labrets)
  16. Re: O.T. New York - Study by Harry Levine Shows More    Blacks
      Are Arrested for Marijuana - NYTimes.com (Nyc Labrets)
  17. Re: O.T. New York - Study by Harry Levine Shows More    Blacks
      Are Arrested for Marijuana - NYTimes.com (jolazopa at mac.com)
  18. Can I do this on my own? (Lois Watts)
  19. from subutex to methadone and full stop after a week or    so -
      ? (Elina Hanninen)
  20. from subutex to methadone and full stop after a week or    so -
      ? (Elina Hanninen)
  21. Re: Subutex - iboga (Elina)
  22. Re: O.T. New York - Study by Harry Levine Shows More Blacks
      Are Arrested for Marijuana - NYTimes.com (jolazopa at mac.com)
  23. Re: Can I do this on my own? (jolazopa at mac.com)
  24. Re: O.T. New York - Study by Harry Levine Shows More    Blacks
      Are Arrested for Marijuana - NYTimes.com (Jeremy Spence)
  25. Re: O.T. New York - Study by Harry Levine Shows More    Blacks
      Are Arrested for Marijuana - NYTimes.com (jolazopa at mac.com)
  26. Re: from subutex to methadone and full stop after a week    or
      so - ? (Helpful Hopeful)
  27. Re: from subutex to methadone and full stop after a week    or
      so - ? (Randy Faulconer)
  28. Re: HH self-treatment (was ibogaworld ibogaine) (Chris Jenks)
  29. Re: HH self-treatment (was ibogaworld ibogaine) (Helpful Hopeful)
  30. Re: HH self-treatment (was ibogaworld ibogaine) (Chris Jenks)
  31. Re: HH self-treatment (was ibogaworld ibogaine) (Helpful Hopeful)
  32. Re: Can I do this on my own? (Beverly Jackson)
  33. Re: HH self-treatment (was ibogaworld ibogaine) (Matt S)
  34. Re: HH self-treatment (was ibogaworld ibogaine) (junkboy)
  35. Re: from subutex to methadone and full stop after a week    or
      so - ? (Elina Hanninen)
  36. Re: Ibo tech Q (jerrygarciadude at aol.com)
  37. Re: HH self-treatment (was ibogaworld ibogaine) (Randy Faulconer)
  38. Re: HH self-treatment (was ibogaworld ibogaine) (Beverly Jackson)
  39. Re: Ibo tech Q (Beverly Jackson)
  40. Re: Ibo tech Q (Randy Faulconer)
  41. test (Elina)
  42. Re: Ibo stories (Randy Faulconer)
  43. Re: from subutex to methadone and full stop after a week    or
      so - ? (Randy Faulconer)
  44. Re: test (James Forristal)
  45. Looking for help asap (Sam)
  46. <no subject> (Sam)
  47. Re: Looking for help asap (Jeremy Spence)
  48. Re: <no subject> (Jim Hadey)
  49. Re: <no subject> (sasha victory)
  50. Re: <no subject> (Michael Hill)
  51. Re: <no subject> (Matt S)
  52. O.T. Yahoo Sells All Its Users Private Email Contents to    U.S.
      (Jim Hadey)
  53. Re: O.T. Yahoo Sells All Its Users Private Email Contents to
      U.S. (jolazopa at mac.com)
  54. Fwd: O.T. Yahoo Sells All Its Users Private Email Contents to
      U.S. (jolazopa at mac.com)
  55. Re: O.T. Yahoo Sells All Its Users Private Email    Contents to
      U.S. (Jim Hadey)
  56. Re: O.T. Yahoo Sells All Its Users Private Email Contents to
      U.S. (Matt S)
  57. Re: O.T. Yahoo Sells All Its Users Private Email Contents to
      U.S. (Matt S)
  58. Re: O.T. Yahoo Sells All Its Users Private Email    Contents to
      U.S. (Jim Hadey)
  59. Re: O.T. Yahoo Sells All Its Users Private Email    Contents to
      U.S. (Lois Watts)
  60. Re: O.T. Yahoo Sells All Its Users Private Email Contents to
      U.S. (Chris Jenks)
  61. Czech Republic officially quantifying status as one of
      European Union's most lenient (robertj)
  62. Re: O.T. Yahoo Sells All Its Users Private Email    Contents to
      U.S. (Jim Hadey)
  63. plans for lowering the sub (Elina)
  64. PAWS (Elina)
  65. GABA (Elina)
  66. Re: <no subject> (Michael Hill)
  67. Re: plans for lowering the sub (James Forristal)
  68. Re: GABA (James Forristal)
  69. Re: O.T. Yahoo Sells All Its Users Private Email    Contents to
      U.S. (Krista Vaughan)
  70. Re: plans for lowering the sub (James Forristal)
  71. Re: O.T. Yahoo Sells All Its Users Private Email    Contents to
      U.S. (robertj)
  72. Re: GABA (Michael Hill)
  73. Re: GABA (Edward A. Weissbard)
  74. Re: GABA (Jeremy Spence)
  75. Patrick call your brother. (Pinky Green)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:48:17 -0800
From: James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Switching from subox to short acting,    in prep
    for     detox.
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According to the literature I've read its supposed to endogenously
raise serotinin, dopamine and beta endorphin levels.  That being the
case it should be a good adaptogen at any phase in the detox.. Just
not sure how well it would be noticed by the patient in acute
withdrawal.

On 12/27/09, Mikki Lynne <xxmikkixx at gmail.com> wrote:
> Interesting, thanks... do you think it would make a noticable
> difference if taken while trying to decrease dose, or during acute
> phase? Guess it's worth a shot to find out- I'm down to 2mg now...
>
> On Dec 27, 2009, at 1:02 PM, James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> An herb after my suboxone detox that helped dramatically with PAWS is
>> Rhodiola Rosea.  You can buy it in caps, some brands are more
>> effective than others.  From my limited experience it seems to help 4
>> out of every 5 people that use it.
>>
>> It totally removed the residual body load on me and mental energy
>> levels.  After about three months of use it seemed to have normalized
>> me and taking it no long made a difference so I stopped.
>>
>> Especially for those coming off buprenorphine and methadone this stuff
>> is totally worth looking into!
>>
>> On 12/27/09, tink <tinkerbell.sarah at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> you are correct, skeeter. thanks!
>>> And absolutely I agree. The longer the better, and be careful of a
>>> false sense of security about not having withdrawal symptoms. It will
>>> sneak up behind you and smack you in the face.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Randy Faulconer
>>> <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>          You've been treated 4 times if my recollection is right,
>>>> Tink. Me and D twice, D once with my Ibo and Ms Mash. The first
>>>> time I
>>>> treated you was the sub. From my experience and from what Doc
>>>> Kamlett
>>>> says at least 2 weeks off of sub is needed. Hell, a month would be
>>>> better though. That stuff is evil personified to get off of. It
>>>> helps
>>>> when you are on it, but whoa to you that have to get off.
>>>>
>>>>        One thing I think is important that is not being brought up
>>>> here very often is vitamins. Extra B, B6, B12 and a good all around
>>>> multi at the least. Nobody says anything about Calcium Mag either.
>>>> At
>>>> least for a week before and hydrate lots. One thing we figured out
>>>> is
>>>> to not over do the water the day of though. Who wants to have to pee
>>>> every hour while in the thro's of Iboga??
>>>>
>>>>           Please feel free to get in touch off list if you want to.
>>>> I'll always help.
>>>>
>>>>              Peace Love and Purple Light
>>>>                                     Randy
>>>>                                           BiscuitBoy Blues
>>>>
>>>> On 12/25/09, tink <tinkerbell.sarah at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I did a detox from suboxone to oxy's, then tapered before ibogaine,
>>>>> and can tell you what I went through... my momentary dope fiend
>>>>> rut,
>>>>> where I was doing far too much of the short acting stuff
>>>>> threatened to
>>>>> be an issue, but the whole dollar a milligram thing put me in check
>>>>> with a quickness.  I didn't feel that bad until days had passed
>>>>> with
>>>>> the suboxone leaving my system, and actually thought that I was
>>>>> going
>>>>> to be okay for a moment, but it came out of left field and
>>>>> smacked me
>>>>> in the face.  It was nothing like when I did my methadone-ibogaine
>>>>> thing, or the heroin to ibogaine treatments (I've done 4 or 5 in
>>>>> total- skeeter? mobengo? princess? anyone remember? lolol- that's
>>>>> why
>>>>> they call it dope...)
>>>>> I just woke up and have to caffeinate, and will answer anything I
>>>>> can-
>>>>> if you have specifics, please ask, and I'll take a better run at
>>>>> this
>>>>> post-cafe con leche and nicotine :)
>>>>> merry happy joyous,
>>>>> and feel free to email
>>>>> tink
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Beverly Jackson
>>>>> <izmudd at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I know it's 'easier' to detox from a short acting ope than from
>>>>>> suboxone
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> subutex (or methadone), and I know three weeks is a good
>>>>>> timeframe to be
>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can anyone share their experience with the best way to go from
>>>>>> sub to
>>>>>> short
>>>>>> acting?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Asking for a friend who is a bit nervous about the process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you!  Happy Holiday!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> revolutionary
>>>>>> act."     George Orwell
>>>>>>
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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:10:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Helpful Hopeful <helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Switching from subox to short acting,    in prep
    for  detox.
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Hey James, since you said some brands are more effective, do you have a link to a reliable source of the best quality?  I would definitely like to look into this for after my next ibo session.  

I will also be stocking up on fresh fruits and veggies, and other vitamin supplements.  I will also, find some milk thistle for my liver, and some melatonin for sleeping as needed.  I want to be sure I have every possible tool available the next round, because this time I am not going back to opes, no matter what.

Thanks again!

HH

--- On Sun, 12/27/09, James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Switching from subox to short acting, in prep for  detox.
> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Date: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 10:02 AM
> An herb after my suboxone detox that
> helped dramatically with PAWS is
> Rhodiola Rosea.? You can buy it in caps, some brands
> are more
> effective than others.? From my limited experience it
> seems to help 4
> out of every 5 people that use it.
> 
> It totally removed the residual body load on me and mental
> energy
> levels.? After about three months of use it seemed to
> have normalized
> me and taking it no long made a difference so I stopped.
> 
> Especially for those coming off buprenorphine and methadone
> this stuff
> is totally worth looking into!
> 
> On 12/27/09, tink <tinkerbell.sarah at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > you are correct, skeeter. thanks!
> > And absolutely I agree. The longer the better, and be
> careful of a
> > false sense of security about not having withdrawal
> symptoms. It will
> > sneak up behind you and smack you in the face.
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Randy Faulconer
> > <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> ? ? ? ? ?You've been treated 4 times if my
> recollection is right,
> >> Tink. Me and D twice, D once with my Ibo and Ms
> Mash. The first time I
> >> treated you was the sub. From my experience and
> from what Doc Kamlett
> >> says at least 2 weeks off of sub is needed. Hell,
> a month would be
> >> better though. That stuff is evil personified to
> get off of. It helps
> >> when you are on it, but whoa to you that have to
> get off.
> >>
> >> ? ? ? ?One thing I think is important that is
> not being brought up
> >> here very often is vitamins. Extra B, B6, B12 and
> a good all around
> >> multi at the least. Nobody says anything about
> Calcium Mag either. At
> >> least for a week before and hydrate lots. One
> thing we figured out is
> >> to not over do the water the day of though. Who
> wants to have to pee
> >> every hour while in the thro's of Iboga??
> >>
> >> ? ? ? ? ? Please feel free to get in touch
> off list if you want to.
> >> I'll always help.
> >>
> >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Peace Love and Purple Light
> >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? Randy
> >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? BiscuitBoy Blues
> >>
> >> On 12/25/09, tink <tinkerbell.sarah at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> I did a detox from suboxone to oxy's, then
> tapered before ibogaine,
> >>> and can tell you what I went through... my
> momentary dope fiend rut,
> >>> where I was doing far too much of the short
> acting stuff threatened to
> >>> be an issue, but the whole dollar a milligram
> thing put me in check
> >>> with a quickness. ?I didn't feel that bad
> until days had passed with
> >>> the suboxone leaving my system, and actually
> thought that I was going
> >>> to be okay for a moment, but it came out of
> left field and smacked me
> >>> in the face. ?It was nothing like when I did
> my methadone-ibogaine
> >>> thing, or the heroin to ibogaine treatments
> (I've done 4 or 5 in
> >>> total- skeeter? mobengo? princess? anyone
> remember? lolol- that's why
> >>> they call it dope...)
> >>> I just woke up and have to caffeinate, and
> will answer anything I can-
> >>> if you have specifics, please ask, and I'll
> take a better run at this
> >>> post-cafe con leche and nicotine :)
> >>> merry happy joyous,
> >>> and feel free to email
> >>> tink
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Beverly
> Jackson <izmudd at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> I know it's 'easier' to detox from a short
> acting ope than from suboxone
> >>>> or
> >>>> subutex (or methadone), and I know three
> weeks is a good timeframe to be
> >>>> off.
> >>>>
> >>>> Can anyone share their experience with the
> best way to go from sub to
> >>>> short
> >>>> acting?
> >>>>
> >>>> Asking for a friend who is a bit nervous
> about the process.
> >>>>
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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:44:50 +0200
From: Elina Hanninen <elluhanninen at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Switching from subox to short acting,    in prep
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  For me too this information on Rhodiola rosea is interesting. I will  
try it out when lowering my dose, just to see how it works there. I  
wonder wether I could make it myself as it seems to grow here. Though  
now it's a bit tricky as there is far too much snow to collect anything.



On 27.12.2009, at 20.10, Helpful Hopeful wrote:

> Hey James, since you said some brands are more effective, do you  
> have a link to a reliable source of the best quality?  I would  
> definitely like to look into this for after my next ibo session.
>
> I will also be stocking up on fresh fruits and veggies, and other  
> vitamin supplements.  I will also, find some milk thistle for my  
> liver, and some melatonin for sleeping as needed.  I want to be sure  
> I have every possible tool available the next round, because this  
> time I am not going back to opes, no matter what.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> HH
>
> --- On Sun, 12/27/09, James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Switching from subox to short acting, in  
>> prep for  detox.
>> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Date: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 10:02 AM
>> An herb after my suboxone detox that
>> helped dramatically with PAWS is
>> Rhodiola Rosea.  You can buy it in caps, some brands
>> are more
>> effective than others.  From my limited experience it
>> seems to help 4
>> out of every 5 people that use it.
>>
>> It totally removed the residual body load on me and mental
>> energy
>> levels.  After about three months of use it seemed to
>> have normalized
>> me and taking it no long made a difference so I stopped.
>>
>> Especially for those coming off buprenorphine and methadone
>> this stuff
>> is totally worth looking into!
>>
>> On 12/27/09, tink <tinkerbell.sarah at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> you are correct, skeeter. thanks!
>>> And absolutely I agree. The longer the better, and be
>> careful of a
>>> false sense of security about not having withdrawal
>> symptoms. It will
>>> sneak up behind you and smack you in the face.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Randy Faulconer
>>> <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>          You've been treated 4 times if my
>> recollection is right,
>>>> Tink. Me and D twice, D once with my Ibo and Ms
>> Mash. The first time I
>>>> treated you was the sub. From my experience and
>> from what Doc Kamlett
>>>> says at least 2 weeks off of sub is needed. Hell,
>> a month would be
>>>> better though. That stuff is evil personified to
>> get off of. It helps
>>>> when you are on it, but whoa to you that have to
>> get off.
>>>>
>>>>        One thing I think is important that is
>> not being brought up
>>>> here very often is vitamins. Extra B, B6, B12 and
>> a good all around
>>>> multi at the least. Nobody says anything about
>> Calcium Mag either. At
>>>> least for a week before and hydrate lots. One
>> thing we figured out is
>>>> to not over do the water the day of though. Who
>> wants to have to pee
>>>> every hour while in the thro's of Iboga??
>>>>
>>>>           Please feel free to get in touch
>> off list if you want to.
>>>> I'll always help.
>>>>
>>>>              Peace Love and Purple Light
>>>>
>>   Randy
>>>>
>>         BiscuitBoy Blues
>>>>
>>>> On 12/25/09, tink <tinkerbell.sarah at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>> I did a detox from suboxone to oxy's, then
>> tapered before ibogaine,
>>>>> and can tell you what I went through... my
>> momentary dope fiend rut,
>>>>> where I was doing far too much of the short
>> acting stuff threatened to
>>>>> be an issue, but the whole dollar a milligram
>> thing put me in check
>>>>> with a quickness.  I didn't feel that bad
>> until days had passed with
>>>>> the suboxone leaving my system, and actually
>> thought that I was going
>>>>> to be okay for a moment, but it came out of
>> left field and smacked me
>>>>> in the face.  It was nothing like when I did
>> my methadone-ibogaine
>>>>> thing, or the heroin to ibogaine treatments
>> (I've done 4 or 5 in
>>>>> total- skeeter? mobengo? princess? anyone
>> remember? lolol- that's why
>>>>> they call it dope...)
>>>>> I just woke up and have to caffeinate, and
>> will answer anything I can-
>>>>> if you have specifics, please ask, and I'll
>> take a better run at this
>>>>> post-cafe con leche and nicotine :)
>>>>> merry happy joyous,
>>>>> and feel free to email
>>>>> tink
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Beverly
>> Jackson <izmudd at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I know it's 'easier' to detox from a short
>> acting ope than from suboxone
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> subutex (or methadone), and I know three
>> weeks is a good timeframe to be
>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can anyone share their experience with the
>> best way to go from sub to
>>>>>> short
>>>>>> acting?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Asking for a friend who is a bit nervous
>> about the process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you!  Happy Holiday!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>> the truth becomes a
>>>>>> revolutionary
>>>>>> act."     George Orwell
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:45:51 -0500
From: Randy Faulconer <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HH self-treatment (was ibogaworld ibogaine)
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              I was told by those who know not to use Phenergan and
scapalomine. We always used dramamine (which by the way will make you
trip in large enough doses) and ginger root capsules. Just remember to
lay very still and not move your head if at all possible. I don't see
why a TA extract wouldn't work with the rubber ducky. Maybe Howard
will tell us if he is getting the list now. I was told that it was OK
to take diphenhydramine for a cold while on Ibo so if it helps you to
keep the nausea down by all means do it.

           How 'bout it Howard???

                 Peace Love and Solidarity
                                Randy
                                     BiscuitBoy Blues
On 12/26/09, Chris Jenks <chris at jenks.us> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 26 Dec 2009, Helpful Hopeful wrote:
>
>> Well, I filtered it all and there looks to still be a pretty good amount
>> of a muddy brown gunk.  I have rinsed the filter really well with cold
>> water, and am repeating it again, then will place the whole filter on a
>> dish in front a a fan with warm air blowing on it.
>
>    Repeating what again?  Rinsing, I hope? After my first read I thought
> you were refiltering all the filtrate because it was hazy, but your second
> message says it was clear.
>
>> It seems that there will still be a good amount of gunk or plant
>> material in it, cause it looks still a good bit cruddy and also because
>> after trying to filter the vinegar soaks through coffee filters for a
>> few hours I ended up giving up and just re-filtering it through a
>> t-shirt a couple times.
>
>    A little plant material does no harm - it is all a matter of bulk. I
> know the TA looks very bulky before it dries, but you will be amazed how
> it shrivels down to about 10% of the original volume once completely dry.
> If, at that point, it will fit in a few gel caps, why labor further?
>
>> So I think I am gonna let the crud all dry and then set the whole filter
>> in a funnel with the end plugged to start.  Then pour in some acetone
>> and let it sit for a few minutes.  I'll try and stir around the mess in
>> the filter a bit, then let the acetone drain into a collection vessel.
>
>    Although I don't think you will find this necessary or even beneficial,
> if you proceed with this step, make sure to remove and completely crush
> the TA to a powder, sifting it to make sure, before proceeding. Once you
> have done this there is no advantage to reusing the original filter paper,
> though it doesn't hurt to wash the alkaloids from the old paper with the
> acetone before using the acetone.
>
>> Then I will add concentrated HCl, to precipitate the ibogaine HCl.
>> Then repeat adding a bit more acid until I am sure I get out all the
>> crystals, then will evap the acetone quickly.  I will then add water to
>> the oil, and add more ammonia to the water and turn the residual
>> alkaloids back to a solid freebase, then filter them out.
>
>    That all sounds good, but beware of adding too much hydrochloric acid,
> since the precipitate will start to redissolve as more acid is added after
> the optimum amount in the procedure. If you want to make sure you added
> enough, you can always add a little more acid after filtering the PTA HCl
> out. It seems to improve the yield to chill the mixture in the refigerator
> for a few hours before filtering.
>
>> I will let the ibogaine HCl, and the freebase residual alks all dry out
>> in front of a fan with warm air current, or maybe even use the oven on
>> very low.  When dry I'll cap it up and take it, and we'll see how it
>> goes.
>
>    The acetone evaporates very easily from the PTA HCl, and even the
> residual alkaloid seems to dry a lot faster than TA. If you take both,
> though, I would expect exactly the same effect you would have gotten from
> the TA, since the only part left is the stuff that didn't dissolve in
> acetone. I've eaten that fraction and can assure you that it is completely
> inactive, just like the bark after extraction.
>
>> I had one other alternative idea for cleaning the freebase up further. I
>> was thinking I could perhaps soak the filter in more vinegar and let the
>> vinegar wash through.  Then collect the vinegar which should pull out
>> the alkaloids, but leave behind any residual solids that got caught in
>> the filter.
>
>    I've been curious if the TA would completely redissolve even without
> plant matter present. I expect that all your active alkaloids will
> redissolve (if you powder the TA or use it wet) and that this should work
> fine. Hopefully it won't be necessary.
>
>> I could then just add ammonia to the vinegar again to precipitate the
>> alkaloids minus the plant crud that stayed stuck in the filter.  This
>> would be easier than making the HCl salts and recovering the residual
>> alkaloids, and should, in theory, come out cleaner than what I have now.
>>
>> What do you guys think I should do to proceed?  I still haven't gotten
>> the freebase dried and weighed and off the filter yet, so it may be less
>> gunk than it appears to be, but if not, I definitely want it a bit more
>> pure, as I am sure added purity will make it absorb quicker and cause me
>> less stomach distress.
>
>    For fastest absorption I recommend powdering the TA and maybe mixing it
> with something acidic, like an orange drink mix, before encapsulating it.
> The drink mix should both help the TA to disburse, since it will dissolve
> quickly, leaving countless microscopic tunnels throughout the plug of TA,
> and also help by rendering the alkaloids as soluble salts, maybe even
> before the capsules open. If absorption rate is your only concern then the
> bulk shouldn't matter. Have you thought of a way to reduce nausea yet?
> That would be my biggest concern.
>
>> Anyways, thanks for all the great advice so far, it's really not all
>> that complicated, and I appreciate all your guys advice and assurance.
>
>    You're very welcome. About pouring the ammonia filtrate down the drian -
> personally I think it should go in the garden. Perfect fertilizer.
>
>> Thankfully,
>>
>> HH
>>
>> --- On Fri, 12/25/09, junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From: junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HH self-treatment (was ibogaworld ibogaine)
>>> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> Date: Friday, December 25, 2009, 8:25 PM
>>>
>>> LOL....
>>> yup, i still filter out all the liquid it just seems
>>> easier somehow...
>>> i was going to say it has a petcock on the bottom but
>>> i decided cock sounded better.. i may have been
>>> wrong..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 8:32 PM,
>>> James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Funnel with a cock".. This
>>> sounds like kinky fetish play now, GET THE
>>> GIMP!   Chemistry is interesting indeed! :P
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/25/09, Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Let me see if I understand you.  The TA settles at
>>> the bottom of the
>>>> seperatory funnel so you just let out enough liquid at
>>> the bottom to get it
>>>
>>>> out and then just filter that liquid in a normal
>>> funnel with filter.  Is
>>>> that right?
>>>>
>>>> Aren't you worried about losing alks in the left
>>> over solution or do you go
>>>> back and filter that seperately?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Matt
>>>
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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:00:22 -0800
From: James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Switching from subox to short acting,    in prep
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There are two that I liked best.. The cheapest one is by enzymatic
therapy and the other is by gaia herbs.  There are several that I
tried with no effect.. I'm guessing the destroy the essentials of the
plant in their extraction process.

On 12/27/09, Helpful Hopeful <helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hey James, since you said some brands are more effective, do you have a link
> to a reliable source of the best quality?  I would definitely like to look
> into this for after my next ibo session.
>
> I will also be stocking up on fresh fruits and veggies, and other vitamin
> supplements.  I will also, find some milk thistle for my liver, and some
> melatonin for sleeping as needed.  I want to be sure I have every possible
> tool available the next round, because this time I am not going back to
> opes, no matter what.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> HH
>
> --- On Sun, 12/27/09, James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Switching from subox to short acting, in prep for
>> detox.
>> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Date: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 10:02 AM
>> An herb after my suboxone detox that
>> helped dramatically with PAWS is
>> Rhodiola Rosea.? You can buy it in caps, some brands
>> are more
>> effective than others.? From my limited experience it
>> seems to help 4
>> out of every 5 people that use it.
>>
>> It totally removed the residual body load on me and mental
>> energy
>> levels.? After about three months of use it seemed to
>> have normalized
>> me and taking it no long made a difference so I stopped.
>>
>> Especially for those coming off buprenorphine and methadone
>> this stuff
>> is totally worth looking into!
>>
>> On 12/27/09, tink <tinkerbell.sarah at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > you are correct, skeeter. thanks!
>> > And absolutely I agree. The longer the better, and be
>> careful of a
>> > false sense of security about not having withdrawal
>> symptoms. It will
>> > sneak up behind you and smack you in the face.
>> >
>> > On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Randy Faulconer
>> > <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> ? ? ? ? ?You've been treated 4 times if my
>> recollection is right,
>> >> Tink. Me and D twice, D once with my Ibo and Ms
>> Mash. The first time I
>> >> treated you was the sub. From my experience and
>> from what Doc Kamlett
>> >> says at least 2 weeks off of sub is needed. Hell,
>> a month would be
>> >> better though. That stuff is evil personified to
>> get off of. It helps
>> >> when you are on it, but whoa to you that have to
>> get off.
>> >>
>> >> ? ? ? ?One thing I think is important that is
>> not being brought up
>> >> here very often is vitamins. Extra B, B6, B12 and
>> a good all around
>> >> multi at the least. Nobody says anything about
>> Calcium Mag either. At
>> >> least for a week before and hydrate lots. One
>> thing we figured out is
>> >> to not over do the water the day of though. Who
>> wants to have to pee
>> >> every hour while in the thro's of Iboga??
>> >>
>> >> ? ? ? ? ? Please feel free to get in touch
>> off list if you want to.
>> >> I'll always help.
>> >>
>> >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Peace Love and Purple Light
>> >>
>> ? Randy
>> >>
>> ? ? ? ? BiscuitBoy Blues
>> >>
>> >> On 12/25/09, tink <tinkerbell.sarah at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>> I did a detox from suboxone to oxy's, then
>> tapered before ibogaine,
>> >>> and can tell you what I went through... my
>> momentary dope fiend rut,
>> >>> where I was doing far too much of the short
>> acting stuff threatened to
>> >>> be an issue, but the whole dollar a milligram
>> thing put me in check
>> >>> with a quickness. ?I didn't feel that bad
>> until days had passed with
>> >>> the suboxone leaving my system, and actually
>> thought that I was going
>> >>> to be okay for a moment, but it came out of
>> left field and smacked me
>> >>> in the face. ?It was nothing like when I did
>> my methadone-ibogaine
>> >>> thing, or the heroin to ibogaine treatments
>> (I've done 4 or 5 in
>> >>> total- skeeter? mobengo? princess? anyone
>> remember? lolol- that's why
>> >>> they call it dope...)
>> >>> I just woke up and have to caffeinate, and
>> will answer anything I can-
>> >>> if you have specifics, please ask, and I'll
>> take a better run at this
>> >>> post-cafe con leche and nicotine :)
>> >>> merry happy joyous,
>> >>> and feel free to email
>> >>> tink
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Beverly
>> Jackson <izmudd at gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>> I know it's 'easier' to detox from a short
>> acting ope than from suboxone
>> >>>> or
>> >>>> subutex (or methadone), and I know three
>> weeks is a good timeframe to be
>> >>>> off.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Can anyone share their experience with the
>> best way to go from sub to
>> >>>> short
>> >>>> acting?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Asking for a friend who is a bit nervous
>> about the process.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thank you! ?Happy Holiday!
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
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>> >>>> act." ? ? George Orwell
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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:35:22 +0200
From: Elina Hanninen <elluhanninen at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] from subutex to methadone and full stop after a
    week or    so - ?
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    delsp=yes

I am only wondering about this possibility, or actually wether it is a  
possibility.
When I stopped heroin for many times years ago most of the times I  
stopped it with was pubrenorfine. And had to experience withdrawal  
only like 24 hours when the pubre was not yet affecting through heroin  
left in my system. Then I took pubre for only 7-10 days tops. And  
stopped that as well & experiencing absolutely no withdrawal because  
they had such a different way of working in one's system. (Sorry not  
being able to express myself in correct terminology especially within  
brain chemistry in English.) I do remember not many people I knew took  
this possibility and made it work for them and always wondered why.

I do not know wether this could work with these substances I have to  
work with now. Could it be possible to do the same thing with pubre  
and methadone, going from pubre to methadone only for that short  
amount of time that the meth would not get so stuck in my receptors  
but would still alleviate or almost prevent the symptoms? Does anyone  
know of this? Could it work? I wonder how many days would be the time  
before I was too stuck with meth? I know there would be probably 2-3  
days of withdrawal between pubre and meth. What I am wondering of is  
how many days does it take with meth before it is too late to drop it  
off without too much withdrawal.

I am completely ready to stop the meds. I am very intrigued to  
ibogaine but one whole week of it sounds quite harsh not to mention  
the cost. Yesterday I asked about Detox from pubre from a provider and  
was told it is ok and doable, and if I was interested, I would be  
treated at the provider's for a week. With one bigger session and a  
few smaller ones.  Cost 2000? (2900 USD). From this info It seems I  
should take it long at home too, so it would become quite expensive  
then too. These are just thoughts and I will keep on collecting the  
info on making the best choice for me. In any case, I think ibo will  
be the best thing for me to finnish this chapter, but I do not want to  
ask too much of it either. Do as much as I can myself and let it  
finnish my job.

I never thought I would be missing stopping heroin one day, but today  
it seems pretty easy compared to these hard chemicals.

Elina Hanninen
elluhanninen at gmail.com






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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:43:35 -0800 (PST)
From: J J <jlany123 at yahoo.com>
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga TA and Iboga HCL
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Can someone tell me the difference between Iboga TA and Iboga HCL?

Iboga TA is just an extract well then what is Iboga HCL? are chemicals added.

I guess I have to ask what is an extract. Now I heard normally you take 3 times more Iboga TA then HCL.

What about the root. You can also eat the root. So, it seems there are 3 ways. I wonder the benefits of each. 

Thanks,
JJ



      



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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:58:15 +0200
From: Elina Hanninen <elluhanninen at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Switching from subox to short acting,    in prep
    for  detox.
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Did you try that of Jarrow Formulas ? If, how was that ?
I am trying to decide which one to order and am choosing between Gaia  
and Jarrow.
Did you use the liquid one from Gaia ?
Thanks !

On 27.12.2009, at 22.00, James Forristal wrote:

> There are two that I liked best.. The cheapest one is by enzymatic
> therapy and the other is by gaia herbs.  There are several that I
> tried with no effect.. I'm guessing the destroy the essentials of the
> plant in their extraction process.
>
> On 12/27/09, Helpful Hopeful <helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Hey James, since you said some brands are more effective, do you  
>> have a link
>> to a reliable source of the best quality?  I would definitely like  
>> to look
>> into this for after my next ibo session.
>>
>> I will also be stocking up on fresh fruits and veggies, and other  
>> vitamin
>> supplements.  I will also, find some milk thistle for my liver, and  
>> some
>> melatonin for sleeping as needed.  I want to be sure I have every  
>> possible
>> tool available the next round, because this time I am not going  
>> back to
>> opes, no matter what.
>>
>> Thanks again!
>>
>> HH
>>
>> --- On Sun, 12/27/09, James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com>  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> From: James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Switching from subox to short acting, in  
>>> prep for
>>> detox.
>>> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> Date: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 10:02 AM
>>> An herb after my suboxone detox that
>>> helped dramatically with PAWS is
>>> Rhodiola Rosea.  You can buy it in caps, some brands
>>> are more
>>> effective than others.  From my limited experience it
>>> seems to help 4
>>> out of every 5 people that use it.
>>>
>>> It totally removed the residual body load on me and mental
>>> energy
>>> levels.  After about three months of use it seemed to
>>> have normalized
>>> me and taking it no long made a difference so I stopped.
>>>
>>> Especially for those coming off buprenorphine and methadone
>>> this stuff
>>> is totally worth looking into!
>>>
>>> On 12/27/09, tink <tinkerbell.sarah at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> you are correct, skeeter. thanks!
>>>> And absolutely I agree. The longer the better, and be
>>> careful of a
>>>> false sense of security about not having withdrawal
>>> symptoms. It will
>>>> sneak up behind you and smack you in the face.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Randy Faulconer
>>>> <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>          You've been treated 4 times if my
>>> recollection is right,
>>>>> Tink. Me and D twice, D once with my Ibo and Ms
>>> Mash. The first time I
>>>>> treated you was the sub. From my experience and
>>> from what Doc Kamlett
>>>>> says at least 2 weeks off of sub is needed. Hell,
>>> a month would be
>>>>> better though. That stuff is evil personified to
>>> get off of. It helps
>>>>> when you are on it, but whoa to you that have to
>>> get off.
>>>>>
>>>>>        One thing I think is important that is
>>> not being brought up
>>>>> here very often is vitamins. Extra B, B6, B12 and
>>> a good all around
>>>>> multi at the least. Nobody says anything about
>>> Calcium Mag either. At
>>>>> least for a week before and hydrate lots. One
>>> thing we figured out is
>>>>> to not over do the water the day of though. Who
>>> wants to have to pee
>>>>> every hour while in the thro's of Iboga??
>>>>>
>>>>>           Please feel free to get in touch
>>> off list if you want to.
>>>>> I'll always help.
>>>>>
>>>>>              Peace Love and Purple Light
>>>>>
>>>   Randy
>>>>>
>>>         BiscuitBoy Blues
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/25/09, tink <tinkerbell.sarah at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I did a detox from suboxone to oxy's, then
>>> tapered before ibogaine,
>>>>>> and can tell you what I went through... my
>>> momentary dope fiend rut,
>>>>>> where I was doing far too much of the short
>>> acting stuff threatened to
>>>>>> be an issue, but the whole dollar a milligram
>>> thing put me in check
>>>>>> with a quickness.  I didn't feel that bad
>>> until days had passed with
>>>>>> the suboxone leaving my system, and actually
>>> thought that I was going
>>>>>> to be okay for a moment, but it came out of
>>> left field and smacked me
>>>>>> in the face.  It was nothing like when I did
>>> my methadone-ibogaine
>>>>>> thing, or the heroin to ibogaine treatments
>>> (I've done 4 or 5 in
>>>>>> total- skeeter? mobengo? princess? anyone
>>> remember? lolol- that's why
>>>>>> they call it dope...)
>>>>>> I just woke up and have to caffeinate, and
>>> will answer anything I can-
>>>>>> if you have specifics, please ask, and I'll
>>> take a better run at this
>>>>>> post-cafe con leche and nicotine :)
>>>>>> merry happy joyous,
>>>>>> and feel free to email
>>>>>> tink
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Beverly
>>> Jackson <izmudd at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I know it's 'easier' to detox from a short
>>> acting ope than from suboxone
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> subutex (or methadone), and I know three
>>> weeks is a good timeframe to be
>>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can anyone share their experience with the
>>> best way to go from sub to
>>>>>>> short
>>>>>>> acting?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Asking for a friend who is a bit nervous
>>> about the process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you!  Happy Holiday!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> revolutionary
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:15:08 -0800
From: James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga TA and Iboga HCL
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TA is the total extract and contains all of the alkaloids found in the
iboga RB.  It aslo tends to have the plant fats and vegitative
material mixed in.  It's the best for boosters and psychospiritual
sessions but can also be used for detox with good sucess.

:HCL is just ibogaine hydrochloride with just a small amount of the
other alkaloids parcipitated with it..  This is what is most used for
opiate detox because it is the easiest to measure out accuately.

Rootbark alone takes a large amout of good fresh root and lots of
puking.  Only for the headstrong! ;)

On 12/27/09, J J <jlany123 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Can someone tell me the difference between Iboga TA and Iboga HCL?
>
> Iboga TA is just an extract well then what is Iboga HCL? are chemicals
> added.
>
> I guess I have to ask what is an extract. Now I heard normally you take 3
> times more Iboga TA then HCL.
>
> What about the root. You can also eat the root. So, it seems there are 3
> ways. I wonder the benefits of each.
>
> Thanks,
> JJ
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:30:51 -0800
From: James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Switching from subox to short acting,    in prep
    for     detox.
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I tried jarrow's but it was so long after I needed rhodiola that it
had little effect on me but it should be decent.  Both the tincture
and caps made by gaia are filled with high quality oils.. I liked the
caps better, it's easier to dose with.



On 12/27/09, Elina Hanninen <elluhanninen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Did you try that of Jarrow Formulas ? If, how was that ?
> I am trying to decide which one to order and am choosing between Gaia
> and Jarrow.
> Did you use the liquid one from Gaia ?
> Thanks !
>
> On 27.12.2009, at 22.00, James Forristal wrote:
>
>> There are two that I liked best.. The cheapest one is by enzymatic
>> therapy and the other is by gaia herbs.  There are several that I
>> tried with no effect.. I'm guessing the destroy the essentials of the
>> plant in their extraction process.
>>
>> On 12/27/09, Helpful Hopeful <helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Hey James, since you said some brands are more effective, do you
>>> have a link
>>> to a reliable source of the best quality?  I would definitely like
>>> to look
>>> into this for after my next ibo session.
>>>
>>> I will also be stocking up on fresh fruits and veggies, and other
>>> vitamin
>>> supplements.  I will also, find some milk thistle for my liver, and
>>> some
>>> melatonin for sleeping as needed.  I want to be sure I have every
>>> possible
>>> tool available the next round, because this time I am not going
>>> back to
>>> opes, no matter what.
>>>
>>> Thanks again!
>>>
>>> HH
>>>
>>> --- On Sun, 12/27/09, James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Switching from subox to short acting, in
>>>> prep for
>>>> detox.
>>>> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>>> Date: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 10:02 AM
>>>> An herb after my suboxone detox that
>>>> helped dramatically with PAWS is
>>>> Rhodiola Rosea.  You can buy it in caps, some brands
>>>> are more
>>>> effective than others.  From my limited experience it
>>>> seems to help 4
>>>> out of every 5 people that use it.
>>>>
>>>> It totally removed the residual body load on me and mental
>>>> energy
>>>> levels.  After about three months of use it seemed to
>>>> have normalized
>>>> me and taking it no long made a difference so I stopped.
>>>>
>>>> Especially for those coming off buprenorphine and methadone
>>>> this stuff
>>>> is totally worth looking into!
>>>>
>>>> On 12/27/09, tink <tinkerbell.sarah at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> you are correct, skeeter. thanks!
>>>>> And absolutely I agree. The longer the better, and be
>>>> careful of a
>>>>> false sense of security about not having withdrawal
>>>> symptoms. It will
>>>>> sneak up behind you and smack you in the face.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Randy Faulconer
>>>>> <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>          You've been treated 4 times if my
>>>> recollection is right,
>>>>>> Tink. Me and D twice, D once with my Ibo and Ms
>>>> Mash. The first time I
>>>>>> treated you was the sub. From my experience and
>>>> from what Doc Kamlett
>>>>>> says at least 2 weeks off of sub is needed. Hell,
>>>> a month would be
>>>>>> better though. That stuff is evil personified to
>>>> get off of. It helps
>>>>>> when you are on it, but whoa to you that have to
>>>> get off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        One thing I think is important that is
>>>> not being brought up
>>>>>> here very often is vitamins. Extra B, B6, B12 and
>>>> a good all around
>>>>>> multi at the least. Nobody says anything about
>>>> Calcium Mag either. At
>>>>>> least for a week before and hydrate lots. One
>>>> thing we figured out is
>>>>>> to not over do the water the day of though. Who
>>>> wants to have to pee
>>>>>> every hour while in the thro's of Iboga??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           Please feel free to get in touch
>>>> off list if you want to.
>>>>>> I'll always help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>              Peace Love and Purple Light
>>>>>>
>>>>   Randy
>>>>>>
>>>>         BiscuitBoy Blues
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/25/09, tink <tinkerbell.sarah at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I did a detox from suboxone to oxy's, then
>>>> tapered before ibogaine,
>>>>>>> and can tell you what I went through... my
>>>> momentary dope fiend rut,
>>>>>>> where I was doing far too much of the short
>>>> acting stuff threatened to
>>>>>>> be an issue, but the whole dollar a milligram
>>>> thing put me in check
>>>>>>> with a quickness.  I didn't feel that bad
>>>> until days had passed with
>>>>>>> the suboxone leaving my system, and actually
>>>> thought that I was going
>>>>>>> to be okay for a moment, but it came out of
>>>> left field and smacked me
>>>>>>> in the face.  It was nothing like when I did
>>>> my methadone-ibogaine
>>>>>>> thing, or the heroin to ibogaine treatments
>>>> (I've done 4 or 5 in
>>>>>>> total- skeeter? mobengo? princess? anyone
>>>> remember? lolol- that's why
>>>>>>> they call it dope...)
>>>>>>> I just woke up and have to caffeinate, and
>>>> will answer anything I can-
>>>>>>> if you have specifics, please ask, and I'll
>>>> take a better run at this
>>>>>>> post-cafe con leche and nicotine :)
>>>>>>> merry happy joyous,
>>>>>>> and feel free to email
>>>>>>> tink
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Beverly
>>>> Jackson <izmudd at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I know it's 'easier' to detox from a short
>>>> acting ope than from suboxone
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> subutex (or methadone), and I know three
>>>> weeks is a good timeframe to be
>>>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can anyone share their experience with the
>>>> best way to go from sub to
>>>>>>>> short
>>>>>>>> acting?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Asking for a friend who is a bit nervous
>>>> about the process.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you!  Happy Holiday!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> "During times of universal deceit, telling
>>>> the truth becomes a
>>>>>>>> revolutionary
>>>>>>>> act."     George Orwell
>>>>>>>>
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:41:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Jim Hadey <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HH self-treatment (was ibogaworld ibogaine)
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Hi HH,


Datura is a delirant? as is belladonna and both are bad news.
Check with Erowid and no one who took any of these enjoyed
it.? It is a bad trip and often ends with the used going to jail or
the hospital.? Any new people out there check with erowid if
your not sure or of course the fourm.? I doubt you would take
enough to cause trouble or trip on it but I would not mix with
Ibo.? Once, when contact had belladonnain it? I took a cap and
not much happened so I took another.? I was nodding and then
speeding and a guy asked me what I was on that I would talk
then nod for awhile.? I told him I took two contacts and he did
not believe me at first.? He couldn't decide if I was on downers
or speed.? Ohhhh, the good old days.

Best,

? - JIm

--- On Sun, 12/27/09, Helpful Hopeful <helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Helpful Hopeful <helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HH self-treatment (was ibogaworld ibogaine)
To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Date: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 12:04 PM

Benedryl is no problem, and I could score some dramamine for motion sickness, but not sure how that goes with ibo.? I have a couple Xanax bars but would rather not dull the visions.? I haven't tried amanitas without iboga, so will probably hold off on that, and I believe datura has atropine, scopolamine, etc. but don't want to fool with that stuff too much, as everyone knows someone who's did something retarded while trying it.? I am also not familiar enough to dose an unknown plant source.? 

I can probably find some peppermint tea and add some ginger, though, and that might help a good bit.? I think I will also eat something light beforehand to get the digestive enzymes flowing so I should absorb the freebase awfully quickly.? 

It certainly does look like it's going to be much less weight than the acetic acid extract, so perhaps I won't need to take it any further to purity.? I will keep everyone updated on how much farther I proceed, and/or how it works.? Thanks a bunch!

Respectfully, 

HH

--- On Sat, 12/26/09, Chris Jenks <chris at jenks.us> wrote:

> From: Chris Jenks <chris at jenks.us>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HH self-treatment (was ibogaworld ibogaine)
> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Date: Saturday, December 26, 2009, 7:18 PM
> 
> On Sat, 26 Dec 2009, Helpful Hopeful wrote:
> 
> > Hope this stuff in the freebase form is as potent or
> near as potent as the stuff I took the first time.? I
> didn't feel it in my stomach last time, and started having
> full blown visions really heavy.? I did throw up a good
> bit, but was tripping and seeing visions the whole
> time.? I don't know what else I could do to fight
> nausea, besides looking for some ginger or smoking some
> pot.? If there is anything I can get over the counter
> or locally without a doctor, I would love to know.
> 
> ? Wikipedia seems like the best source I could find,
> and the stuff they list that you could try, besides ginger
> and cannabis, are:
> 
> antihistamines like diphenhydramine (Benadryl) and
> dimenhydrinate (Dramamine)
> benzodiazepines (midazolam and lorazepam are listed) if you
> have any
> anticholinergics, namely scopolamine used for motion
> sickness
> peppermint
> muscimol (from Amanita muscaria mushrooms) - you could also
> be the first to report on this combo. :-)
> 
> ? But I wish people who have tried some of these, or
> especially treatment providers, could comment on what tends
> to work instead of us having to guess. Personally, I haven't
> had trouble keeping things down until they are absorbed, and
> tend to be lazy about looking for solutions for discomfort,
> so I don't have much experience finding effective
> antiemetics.
> 
> ? Chris
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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 16:11:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Jim Hadey <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Switching from subox to short acting,    in prep
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Hi James,

Do you think it will help people that are cutting down?? Or like
going from 150MG of MS to 120 and being on 120 for 20 days.
I was taking 150 mg of MS as per my dr, but if the pain is not
too bad I try to cut down and use the Lidocaine patches.? Well
I am down to 120 mg but still get kind of a yawn and the body
feels funny sometimes, not a big deal sort of like a stay where
your are kind of warning.? So if I took it do you think it would
help?

Thanks James,

? - JIM
of MS

--- On Sun, 12/27/09, James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com> wrote:

From: James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Switching from subox to short acting, in prep for  detox.
To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Date: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 1:02 PM

An herb after my suboxone detox that helped dramatically with PAWS is
Rhodiola Rosea.? You can buy it in caps, some brands are more
effective than others.? From my limited experience it seems to help 4
out of every 5 people that use it.

It totally removed the residual body load on me and mental energy
levels.? After about three months of use it seemed to have normalized
me and taking it no long made a difference so I stopped.

Especially for those coming off buprenorphine and methadone this stuff
is totally worth looking into!

On 12/27/09, tink <tinkerbell.sarah at gmail.com> wrote:
> you are correct, skeeter. thanks!
> And absolutely I agree. The longer the better, and be careful of a
> false sense of security about not having withdrawal symptoms. It will
> sneak up behind you and smack you in the face.
>
> On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Randy Faulconer
> <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> ? ? ? ? ?You've been treated 4 times if my recollection is right,
>> Tink. Me and D twice, D once with my Ibo and Ms Mash. The first time I
>> treated you was the sub. From my experience and from what Doc Kamlett
>> says at least 2 weeks off of sub is needed. Hell, a month would be
>> better though. That stuff is evil personified to get off of. It helps
>> when you are on it, but whoa to you that have to get off.
>>
>> ? ? ? ?One thing I think is important that is not being brought up
>> here very often is vitamins. Extra B, B6, B12 and a good all around
>> multi at the least. Nobody says anything about Calcium Mag either. At
>> least for a week before and hydrate lots. One thing we figured out is
>> to not over do the water the day of though. Who wants to have to pee
>> every hour while in the thro's of Iboga??
>>
>> ? ? ? ? ? Please feel free to get in touch off list if you want to.
>> I'll always help.
>>
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Peace Love and Purple Light
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Randy
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? BiscuitBoy Blues
>>
>> On 12/25/09, tink <tinkerbell.sarah at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I did a detox from suboxone to oxy's, then tapered before ibogaine,
>>> and can tell you what I went through... my momentary dope fiend rut,
>>> where I was doing far too much of the short acting stuff threatened to
>>> be an issue, but the whole dollar a milligram thing put me in check
>>> with a quickness. ?I didn't feel that bad until days had passed with
>>> the suboxone leaving my system, and actually thought that I was going
>>> to be okay for a moment, but it came out of left field and smacked me
>>> in the face. ?It was nothing like when I did my methadone-ibogaine
>>> thing, or the heroin to ibogaine treatments (I've done 4 or 5 in
>>> total- skeeter? mobengo? princess? anyone remember? lolol- that's why
>>> they call it dope...)
>>> I just woke up and have to caffeinate, and will answer anything I can-
>>> if you have specifics, please ask, and I'll take a better run at this
>>> post-cafe con leche and nicotine :)
>>> merry happy joyous,
>>> and feel free to email
>>> tink
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Beverly Jackson <izmudd at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I know it's 'easier' to detox from a short acting ope than from suboxone
>>>> or
>>>> subutex (or methadone), and I know three weeks is a good timeframe to be
>>>> off.
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone share their experience with the best way to go from sub to
>>>> short
>>>> acting?
>>>>
>>>> Asking for a friend who is a bit nervous about the process.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you! ?Happy Holiday!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> revolutionary
>>>> act." ? ? George Orwell
>>>>
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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 18:06:53 -0800
From: James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Switching from subox to short acting,    in prep
    for     detox.
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I've only read about other people using it that way with positive
results.. Never seen it for myself.

On 12/27/09, Jim Hadey <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi James,
>
> Do you think it will help people that are cutting down?? Or like
> going from 150MG of MS to 120 and being on 120 for 20 days.
> I was taking 150 mg of MS as per my dr, but if the pain is not
> too bad I try to cut down and use the Lidocaine patches.? Well
> I am down to 120 mg but still get kind of a yawn and the body
> feels funny sometimes, not a big deal sort of like a stay where
> your are kind of warning.? So if I took it do you think it would
> help?
>
> Thanks James,
>
> ? - JIM
> of MS
>
> --- On Sun, 12/27/09, James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Switching from subox to short acting, in prep for
> detox.
> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Date: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 1:02 PM
>
> An herb after my suboxone detox that helped dramatically with PAWS is
> Rhodiola Rosea.? You can buy it in caps, some brands are more
> effective than others.? From my limited experience it seems to help 4
> out of every 5 people that use it.
>
> It totally removed the residual body load on me and mental energy
> levels.? After about three months of use it seemed to have normalized
> me and taking it no long made a difference so I stopped.
>
> Especially for those coming off buprenorphine and methadone this stuff
> is totally worth looking into!
>
> On 12/27/09, tink <tinkerbell.sarah at gmail.com> wrote:
>> you are correct, skeeter. thanks!
>> And absolutely I agree. The longer the better, and be careful of a
>> false sense of security about not having withdrawal symptoms. It will
>> sneak up behind you and smack you in the face.
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Randy Faulconer
>> <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> ? ? ? ? ?You've been treated 4 times if my recollection is right,
>>> Tink. Me and D twice, D once with my Ibo and Ms Mash. The first time I
>>> treated you was the sub. From my experience and from what Doc Kamlett
>>> says at least 2 weeks off of sub is needed. Hell, a month would be
>>> better though. That stuff is evil personified to get off of. It helps
>>> when you are on it, but whoa to you that have to get off.
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ?One thing I think is important that is not being brought up
>>> here very often is vitamins. Extra B, B6, B12 and a good all around
>>> multi at the least. Nobody says anything about Calcium Mag either. At
>>> least for a week before and hydrate lots. One thing we figured out is
>>> to not over do the water the day of though. Who wants to have to pee
>>> every hour while in the thro's of Iboga??
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ? ? Please feel free to get in touch off list if you want to.
>>> I'll always help.
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Peace Love and Purple Light
>>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Randy
>>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? BiscuitBoy Blues
>>>
>>> On 12/25/09, tink <tinkerbell.sarah at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I did a detox from suboxone to oxy's, then tapered before ibogaine,
>>>> and can tell you what I went through... my momentary dope fiend rut,
>>>> where I was doing far too much of the short acting stuff threatened to
>>>> be an issue, but the whole dollar a milligram thing put me in check
>>>> with a quickness. ?I didn't feel that bad until days had passed with
>>>> the suboxone leaving my system, and actually thought that I was going
>>>> to be okay for a moment, but it came out of left field and smacked me
>>>> in the face. ?It was nothing like when I did my methadone-ibogaine
>>>> thing, or the heroin to ibogaine treatments (I've done 4 or 5 in
>>>> total- skeeter? mobengo? princess? anyone remember? lolol- that's why
>>>> they call it dope...)
>>>> I just woke up and have to caffeinate, and will answer anything I can-
>>>> if you have specifics, please ask, and I'll take a better run at this
>>>> post-cafe con leche and nicotine :)
>>>> merry happy joyous,
>>>> and feel free to email
>>>> tink
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Beverly Jackson <izmudd at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I know it's 'easier' to detox from a short acting ope than from
>>>>> suboxone
>>>>> or
>>>>> subutex (or methadone), and I know three weeks is a good timeframe to
>>>>> be
>>>>> off.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can anyone share their experience with the best way to go from sub to
>>>>> short
>>>>> acting?
>>>>>
>>>>> Asking for a friend who is a bit nervous about the process.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you! ?Happy Holiday!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a
>>>>> revolutionary
>>>>> act." ? ? George Orwell
>>>>>
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:18:00 -0700
From: "Edward A. Weissbard" <edwardw at mtciep.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] O.T. New York - Study by Harry Levine Shows
    More Blacks Are Arrested for Marijuana - NYTimes.com
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........also don't fall into the conservative bs about how a public 
option would destroy the health care system....but now that's a whole 
other story :o)

___________________
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edwardw at mtciep.com




On 12/27/2009 9:13 AM, Michael Liedtke wrote:
> Dont fall into the liberal bs of more blacks being arrested,
> Michael L
> klausmkl at gmail.com <mailto:klausmkl at gmail.com>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 27, 2009, at 3:39 AM, jolazopa at mac.com 
> <mailto:jolazopa at mac.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/23/nyregion/23about.html?em
>>
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 03:59:45 +0100
From: Nyc Labrets <digitalcomponents at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] O.T. New York - Study by Harry Levine Shows
    More    Blacks Are Arrested for Marijuana - NYTimes.com
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On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Michael Liedtke <klausmkl at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dont fall into the liberal bs of more blacks being arrested.
>

Michael Richards, please.

Wake up and smell Father Ted Haggard's gay male hooker's methamphetamines.

And do some rudimentary fact-checking before you come espousing that sort of
nonsensical clap-trap here.

Bloomberg and Murdoch both would fire my ass on sight if I tried to palm
that off in a piece I wrote for them.

New York City is *the* marijuana arrest capital of the United States.

http://nymag.com/news/features/58995/index2.html

And just like the rich white VC folks in Atherton and up on Sand Hill Road
had the best, and cheapest cocaine, it was their poor black counterparts in
East Palo Alto bore the brunt of arrests for their over-priced street
crack.

Same shit's happening in NYC today with marijuana.

80% of the 40,000 people arrested in NYC this year were either Black or
Hispanic.

Those are facts, which have a well known 'Reality Bias'.




> Michael L
> klausmkl at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 27, 2009, at 3:39 AM, jolazopa at mac.com wrote:
>
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/23/nyregion/23about.html?em
>
>  --
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burn everything I owned, and I wouldn't even give them the ashes."

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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 04:57:51 +0100
From: Nyc Labrets <digitalcomponents at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] O.T. New York - Study by Harry Levine Shows
    More    Blacks Are Arrested for Marijuana - NYTimes.com
Message-ID:
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C'mon now, play nice.

As we all on here know The Scourge of Drug Addiction shows no political
bias.

Famed Conservative radio commentator, one Rush Limbaugh, who signed the
richest deal in radio history, $100 million dollars, *while high as a kite
on a morphine derivative*, had a monster habit so huge it would make the
most hard-core person on this list blush.

I still say that my hunch is right, that Limbaugh was turned on to Ibogaine
by fellow Radio Nazi, Michael Savage/Weiner, who also holds a Ph.D in Ethno
Botany, because I just don't see anybody kicking cold turkey a habit like he
had.

On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Michael Liedtke <klausmkl at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dont fall into the liberal bs of more blacks being arrested,
> Michael L
> klausmkl at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 27, 2009, at 3:39 AM, jolazopa at mac.com wrote:
>
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/23/nyregion/23about.html?em
>
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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 03:18:43 -0700
From: "jolazopa at mac.com" <jolazopa at mac.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] O.T. New York - Study by Harry Levine Shows
    More    Blacks Are Arrested for Marijuana - NYTimes.com
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yeah i guess yout hink would know!!!!!LOL, you pompus closet  
case!!!!!!!!i was inside for almost 10 years for weed!!!! 10 years!!!!  
i know who was in there!!! i was just trying to bring a bit of info to  
the forum,but yeah i guess you know better mr.latte with 2%skim  
milk!!!!LOL LOL !!!!!!!!!!! jeremy,theres some real know it alls on  
here lately!!!!!!!
On Dec 27, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Nyc Labrets wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Michael Liedtke  
> <klausmkl at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dont fall into the liberal bs of more blacks being arrested.
>
> Michael Richards, please.
>
> Wake up and smell Father Ted Haggard's gay male hooker's  
> methamphetamines.
>
> And do some rudimentary fact-checking before you come espousing that  
> sort of nonsensical clap-trap here.
>
> Bloomberg and Murdoch both would fire my ass on sight if I tried to  
> palm that off in a piece I wrote for them.
>
> New York City is *the* marijuana arrest capital of the United States.
>
> http://nymag.com/news/features/58995/index2.html
>
> And just like the rich white VC folks in Atherton and up on Sand  
> Hill Road had the best, and cheapest cocaine, it was their poor  
> black counterparts in East Palo Alto bore the brunt of arrests for  
> their over-priced street crack.
>
> Same shit's happening in NYC today with marijuana.
>
> 80% of the 40,000 people arrested in NYC this year were either Black  
> or Hispanic.
>
> Those are facts, which have a well known 'Reality Bias'.
>
>
>
> Michael L
> klausmkl at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 27, 2009, at 3:39 AM, jolazopa at mac.com wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/23/nyregion/23about.html?em
>>
> -- 
> "We can't pay and we wouldn't pay. Even if I had the money I would  
> rather burn everything I owned, and I wouldn't even give them the  
> ashes."
>
> PirateBay
>
> FTW
>
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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 16:32:19 -0500
From: Lois Watts <ptnany at gmail.com>
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Can I do this on my own?
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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:08:06 +0200
From: Elina Hanninen <elina.hanninen at saunalahti.fi>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] from subutex to methadone and full stop after a
    week or    so - ?
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I am only wondering about this possibility, or actually wether it is a  
possibility.
When I stopped heroin for many times years ago most of the times I  
stopped it with was pubrenorfine. And had to experience withdrawal  
only like 24 hours when the pubre was not yet affecting through heroin  
left in my system. Then I took pubre for only 7-10 days tops. And  
stopped that as well & experiencing absolutely no withdrawal because  
they had such a different way of working in one's system. (Sorry not  
being able to express myself in correct terminology especially within  
brain chemistry in English.) I do remember not many people I knew took  
this possibility and made it work for them and always wondered why.

I do not know wether this could work with these substances I have to  
work with now. Could it be possible to do the same thing with pubre  
and methadone, going from pubre to methadone only for that short  
amount of time that the meth would not get so stuck in my receptors  
but would still alleviate or almost prevent the symptoms? Does anyone  
know of this? Could it work? I wonder how many days would be the time  
before I was too stuck with meth? I know there would be probably 2-3  
days of withdrawal between pubre and meth. What I am wondering of is  
how many days does it take with meth before it is too late to drop it  
off without too much withdrawal.

I am completely ready to stop the meds. I am very intrigued to  
ibogaine but one whole week of it sounds quite harsh not to mention  
the cost. It seems I should take it long at home too, so it would  
become quite expensive. These are just thoughts and I will keep on  
collecting the info on making the best choice for me. In any case, I  
think ibo will be the best thing for me to finnish this chapter, but I  
do not want to ask too much of it either. Do as much as I can myself  
and let it finnish my job.

I never thought I would be missing stopping heroin one day, but today  
it seems pretty easy compared to these hard chemicals.


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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:14:06 +0200
From: Elina Hanninen <elina.hanninen at saunalahti.fi>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] from subutex to methadone and full stop after a
    week or    so - ?
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I forgot to mention, I asked about Detox from pubre from a provider  
and was told it is ok and doable, and if I was interested, I would be  
treated at the provider's for a week. With one bigger session and a  
few smaller ones.  Cost 2000? (2900 USD).
So that I what I ment saying one whole week of it sounds a bit much in  
time.




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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 05:29:36 +0200
From: Elina <ibogamail76 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Subutex - iboga
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I changed my from-address, hope I can post without re-validation.  
We'll see.
There is not much subutex experiences I could find from the internet -  
at least yet. I did find an advice that the dose should be 4mg, but  
nothing more.
Did also write an e-mail to a detox provider to ask a bit.

A few weeks ago I ordered some Passionflower herb, Valerian root  
extract,  Kava Kava root, Echinea, Kuzdu, GABA and very strong vitamin  
D's. The action plan was to do cold turkey with probably only a bit  
aiding herbalism. Now that I have received the possibility for all  
this knowledge I can use the herbs only for dropping down the dose. It  
can not harm in whatever I will end up doing, getting SAO's, switching  
to meth or trying to go straight from subutex.

It is always helpful to cut a target into smaller goals and that is  
just what will happen now. There will also be time to gather info and  
let my subconscious mind say what is has to say about all this as  
well. I will post how my small targets are and how things are  
advancing with all this in my journey if you like.

Thank you all so much for listening.
I am excited and happy that world had to offer this kind of a surprise  
to me. Never knew. Surely I will tell this onwards at least to certain  
people who are in the same situation as I.

As it is 5.24 in the morning here I will most certainly go to bed.. It  
became a long night studying the next step.
I am so grateful. I only wonder how grateful one can get after ibo.
It must change your life completely.

Peace out

eLiNa

On 26.12.2009, at 3.40, junkboy wrote:

> you can use ibogaine to come off of sub or methadone.. it just takes  
> more ibogaine and is a bit harder... switching to the short acting  
> drugs would just make it easier....
>
> if you do a sub detox you will need more ibogaine and a booster  
> pretty soon after your initial flood dose..
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Elina Hanninen <elluhanninen at gmail.com 
> > wrote:
> Oh I realized I wrote something funny, of course I would stop the  
> substitution after iboga !! Just to make it clear. But not before,  
> as in case something went wrong I would not have a place anymore.
> And might not get one for a long time. So that's why I need to try  
> to make sure I will have the place and would not like to risk having  
> SAO:s in my drug test.
> And sorry for being so sarcastic previously over our politics, I  
> have been accepting all this a far too long time.
>
> Yeah so next step is to find SAO:s in a quite impossible  
> surroundings to do so.
> We do not even have much heroin available here, have not had for  
> years (after USA hit Afghanistan). Not that I would be wanting to go  
> back to it.. I am not very connected anymore either, as I have not  
> wanted to sell my substitution subutex's (you would loose your place  
> if got caught and also I think it is morally wrong to gather lots of  
> money for pills one gets for free - helping unconditionally is  
> another story) so I have let most contacts die to get a peace of  
> mind not having to think am I doing right or wrong either way I act  
> give or don't. I knew it would come back to haunt me I did not want  
> to risk my sorted life by selling them..
>
> I am sure this will sort out. Everything always has. It's just the  
> scale of time that is uncertain. ;)
>
> eLiNa
>
>
>
>
> On 26.12.2009, at 0.29, Jim Hadey wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Elina,
>>
>> I just happened to Goggle buprenorphine
>> and a company just got the rights to make it in October 2009,
>> usually when they come out with a generic it cost 20-30% of
>> the original cost with time.  Here is a copy of the first paragraph
>> goggle it if you want more info.  They may not stop giving
>> it to you but you may want to kick a 7 year bupe habit.
>> Well it is nice to have a choice.
>>
>> Take Care,
>>
>>     - JIM
>>
>> British firm Reckitt & Colman (now Reckitt Benckiser) first  
>> marketed buprenorphine under the trade names Temgesic (sublingual/ 
>> parenteral preparations, no active additives) and Buprenex  
>> (parenteral, no active additives). Two more recent formulations  
>> from Reckitt Benckiser have been approved for opioid addiction  
>> treatment throughout most of the world, instead of Methadone.  
>> Subutex (white color, oval shape, bitter, no active additives) and  
>> Suboxone (orange color, hexagonal shaped tablet, lemon-lime  
>> flavored, one part naloxone for every four parts buprenorphine).  
>> Subutex and Suboxone are available in 2 mg and 8 mg sublingual  
>> dosages. On October 8, 2009 Roxane laboratories won FDA approval  
>> for a generic preparation of Subutex and as of October 23, 2009  
>> announced that it is ready for distribution nation wide in 2 mg and  
>> 8 mg sublingual dosages.
>>
>> LINK:  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buprenorphine
>>
>>
>> --- On Fri, 12/25/09, Elina Hanninen <elluhanninen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Elina Hanninen <elluhanninen at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Subutex - iboga
>> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Date: Friday, December 25, 2009, 2:22 PM
>>
>> Hello
>>
>> I only joined the list 2 days ago. Actually I only found out about  
>> ibogaine 2 days ago. I feel that I really need advice but I also  
>> know pretty much about switching back and forth SAO - pubrenorfine  
>> - SAO.
>> My history consists of maybe 5-6 on-off years of heroin use. Then I  
>> was stupid enough not stay off and finally entered a Subutex  
>> substitution treatment here in Finland and have been "succesfully"  
>> with the program for 7 years now.
>> We have probably world's craziest laws with Subutex and as I am  
>> allergic to the citrus in Suboxone I have to get myself off the  
>> substitution soon. They will stop giving Subutex in this country  
>> eventually even for those who are allergic for real. I am also  
>> ready, willing and eager to stop, but the could turkey scares me  
>> and I really want to try to do it with the iboga.
>>
>> Is is really so, that iboga does not work when person is with  
>> pubrenorphine or have I mistaken?
>> Other thing I wonder about is which sort of iboga should I get?  
>> Extract, bark etc ? I really do not know much of this yet.
>> I do not know anyone in this country who knows about this stuff so  
>> I will be asking you people questions.
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Elina Hanninen
>> elluhanninen at gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 25.12.2009, at 20.11, Jim Hadey wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Bev,
>>>
>>> Your doing great kid, keep it up.
>>>
>>>   - JIM
>>>
>>> --- On Fri, 12/25/09, Beverly Jackson <izmudd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Beverly Jackson <izmudd at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Happy Festive Season!
>>> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> Date: Friday, December 25, 2009, 10:24 AM
>>>
>>> Happy Holiday to all.
>>>
>>> I am not hung over.
>>> I had enough 'extra' dollars to get my children some trinkets that  
>>> have them giggling and eyes sparkling.
>>> I am able to appreciate how beautiful it is to be alive and whole  
>>> and with my family.
>>>
>>> It's not always been this way. Just remembering on this day how  
>>> grateful I am to Iboga, and the wonderful eclectic collection of  
>>> fine freaks and folks on this list.
>>>
>>> May you all have exactly the day you desire.
>>>
>>> Love from me to you.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 5:31 AM, Edward A. Weissbard <edwardw at mtciep.com 
>>> > wrote:
>>> Same to you James, Kevin, Bev, Cal, and everyone else on the list.
>>>
>>> ___________________
>>> Edward
>>> edwardw at mtciep.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 03:28:46 -0700
From: "jolazopa at mac.com" <jolazopa at mac.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] O.T. New York - Study by Harry Levine Shows
    More Blacks Are Arrested for Marijuana - NYTimes.com
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well yeah ed,thats a horse of a different color!!!!
On Dec 27, 2009, at 7:18 PM, Edward A. Weissbard wrote:

> .......also don't fall into the conservative bs about how a public  
> option would destroy the health care system....but now that's a  
> whole other story :o)
>
> ___________________
> Edward
> edwardw at mtciep.com
>
>
>
>
> On 12/27/2009 9:13 AM, Michael Liedtke wrote:
>> Dont fall into the liberal bs of more blacks being arrested,
>> Michael L
>> klausmkl at gmail.com <mailto:klausmkl at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 27, 2009, at 3:39 AM, jolazopa at mac.com <mailto:jolazopa at mac.com 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/23/nyregion/23about.html?em
>>>
>>>
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 04:04:01 -0700
From: "jolazopa at mac.com" <jolazopa at mac.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Can I do this on my own?
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yes lois just click on mind vox and fill out the registration,and you  
will be a member!! your up alreadt?oh its 6 am there now!!
On Dec 27, 2009, at 2:32 PM, Lois Watts wrote:

>
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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 05:27:49 -0600
From: Jeremy Spence <jlspence12 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] O.T. New York - Study by Harry Levine Shows
    More    Blacks Are Arrested for Marijuana - NYTimes.com
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I have nothing but compassion for the cops, laywers, NA, AA, judges.  
MDs, pain doctors, religous idiots(not that I believe in no  
religous!!!!!!)

Poeple in my boarder state, KY!!!!!!!!!!!!
Man those poeple are "REALLY FUCKED!!!!l"
Those poeple are sensible!! Yea!! RIGHT!!
USE YOUR OWN BRAINS POEPLE!!!


BE SENSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
USE WHAT GOD GAVE U UP STAiRS!! IT'S CALLED HAVE A BRAIN!!!!!!!!!!!

J












On Dec 28, 2009, at 4:18 AM, "jolazopa at mac.com" <jolazopa at mac.com>  
wrote:

> yeah i guess yout hink would know!!!!!LOL, you pompus closet  
> case!!!!!!!!i was inside for almost 10 years for weed!!!! 10  
> years!!!! i know who was in there!!! i was just trying to bring a  
> bit of info to the forum,but yeah i guess you know better mr.latte  
> with 2%skim  milk!!!!LOL LOL !!!!!!!!!!! jeremy,theres some real  
> know it alls on here lately!!!!!!!
> On Dec 27, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Nyc Labrets wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Michael Liedtke  
>> <klausmkl at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dont fall into the liberal bs of more blacks being arrested.
>>
>> Michael Richards, please.
>>
>> Wake up and smell Father Ted Haggard's gay male hooker's  
>> methamphetamines.
>>
>> And do some rudimentary fact-checking before you come espousing  
>> that sort of nonsensical clap-trap here.
>>
>> Bloomberg and Murdoch both would fire my ass on sight if I tried to  
>> palm that off in a piece I wrote for them.
>>
>> New York City is *the* marijuana arrest capital of the United States.
>>
>> http://nymag.com/news/features/58995/index2.html
>>
>> And just like the rich white VC folks in Atherton and up on Sand  
>> Hill Road had the best, and cheapest cocaine, it was their poor  
>> black counterparts in East Palo Alto bore the brunt of arrests for  
>> their over-priced street crack.
>>
>> Same shit's happening in NYC today with marijuana.
>>
>> 80% of the 40,000 people arrested in NYC this year were either  
>> Black or Hispanic.
>>
>> Those are facts, which have a well known 'Reality Bias'.
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael L
>> klausmkl at gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 27, 2009, at 3:39 AM, jolazopa at mac.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/23/nyregion/23about.html?em
>>>
>> -- 
>> "We can't pay and we wouldn't pay. Even if I had the money I would  
>> rather burn everything I owned, and I wouldn't even give them the  
>> ashes."
>>
>> PirateBay
>>
>> FTW
>>
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 05:13:11 -0700
From: "jolazopa at mac.com" <jolazopa at mac.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] O.T. New York - Study by Harry Levine Shows
    More    Blacks Are Arrested for Marijuana - NYTimes.com
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THATS TRUE JEREMY,BUT WHEN GOD SAID I,M HANDING OUT BRAINS ,SOME  
PEOPLE THOUGHT HE SAID TRAINS,AND SAID NO THANKS , I ALREADY HAVE  
SOME!!!!!  YOU KNOW WHO I MEAN!!!!!!JZ
On Dec 28, 2009, at 4:27 AM, Jeremy Spence wrote:

> I have nothing but compassion for the cops, laywers, NA, AA, judges.  
> MDs, pain doctors, religous idiots(not that I believe in no  
> religous!!!!!!)
>
> Poeple in my boarder state, KY!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Man those poeple are "REALLY FUCKED!!!!l"
> Those poeple are sensible!! Yea!! RIGHT!!
> USE YOUR OWN BRAINS POEPLE!!!
>
>
> BE SENSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> USE WHAT GOD GAVE U UP STAiRS!! IT'S CALLED HAVE A BRAIN!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> J
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 28, 2009, at 4:18 AM, "jolazopa at mac.com" <jolazopa at mac.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> yeah i guess yout hink would know!!!!!LOL, you pompus closet  
>> case!!!!!!!!i was inside for almost 10 years for weed!!!! 10  
>> years!!!! i know who was in there!!! i was just trying to bring a  
>> bit of info to the forum,but yeah i guess you know better mr.latte  
>> with 2%skim  milk!!!!LOL LOL !!!!!!!!!!! jeremy,theres some real  
>> know it alls on here lately!!!!!!!
>> On Dec 27, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Nyc Labrets wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Michael Liedtke  
>>> <klausmkl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Dont fall into the liberal bs of more blacks being arrested.
>>>
>>> Michael Richards, please.
>>>
>>> Wake up and smell Father Ted Haggard's gay male hooker's  
>>> methamphetamines.
>>>
>>> And do some rudimentary fact-checking before you come espousing  
>>> that sort of nonsensical clap-trap here.
>>>
>>> Bloomberg and Murdoch both would fire my ass on sight if I tried  
>>> to palm that off in a piece I wrote for them.
>>>
>>> New York City is *the* marijuana arrest capital of the United  
>>> States.
>>>
>>> http://nymag.com/news/features/58995/index2.html
>>>
>>> And just like the rich white VC folks in Atherton and up on Sand  
>>> Hill Road had the best, and cheapest cocaine, it was their poor  
>>> black counterparts in East Palo Alto bore the brunt of arrests for  
>>> their over-priced street crack.
>>>
>>> Same shit's happening in NYC today with marijuana.
>>>
>>> 80% of the 40,000 people arrested in NYC this year were either  
>>> Black or Hispanic.
>>>
>>> Those are facts, which have a well known 'Reality Bias'.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael L
>>> klausmkl at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 27, 2009, at 3:39 AM, jolazopa at mac.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/23/nyregion/23about.html?em
>>>>
>>> -- 
>>> "We can't pay and we wouldn't pay. Even if I had the money I would  
>>> rather burn everything I owned, and I wouldn't even give them the  
>>> ashes."
>>>
>>> PirateBay
>>>
>>> FTW
>>>
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Message: 26
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 05:47:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Helpful Hopeful <helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from subutex to methadone and full stop after
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One of my many detoxes (from heroin and oxycontins) they used a 5-7 day taper with methadone, starting with 30 mgs the first day, and slowly reducing it by about 5 mgs a day.  It works for some, to some extent, but I was still pretty darn sick for a couple weeks afterward and went back to using.  But it is possible to use for a rapid detox, and it does eliminate some of the withdrawal.  

HH

--- On Sun, 12/27/09, Elina Hanninen <elina.hanninen at saunalahti.fi> wrote:

> From: Elina Hanninen <elina.hanninen at saunalahti.fi>
> Subject: [Ibogaine] from subutex to methadone and full stop after a week or so - ?
> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Date: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 12:08 PM
> I am only wondering about this
> possibility, or actually wether it is a possibility.
> When I stopped heroin for many times years ago most of the
> times I stopped it with was pubrenorfine. And had to
> experience withdrawal only like 24 hours when the pubre was
> not yet affecting through heroin left in my system. Then I
> took pubre for only 7-10 days tops. And stopped that as well
> & experiencing absolutely no withdrawal because they had
> such a different way of working in one's system. (Sorry not
> being able to express myself in correct terminology
> especially within brain chemistry in English.) I do remember
> not many people I knew took this possibility and made it
> work for them and always wondered why.
> 
> I do not know wether this could work with these substances
> I have to work with now. Could it be possible to do the same
> thing with pubre and methadone, going from pubre to
> methadone only for that short amount of time that the meth
> would not get so stuck in my receptors but would still
> alleviate or almost prevent the symptoms? Does anyone know
> of this? Could it work? I wonder how many days would be the
> time before I was too stuck with meth? I know there would be
> probably 2-3 days of withdrawal between pubre and meth. What
> I am wondering of is how many days does it take with meth
> before it is too late to drop it off without too much
> withdrawal.
> 
> I am completely ready to stop the meds. I am very intrigued
> to ibogaine but one whole week of it sounds quite harsh not
> to mention the cost. It seems I should take it long at home
> too, so it would become quite expensive. These are just
> thoughts and I will keep on collecting the info on making
> the best choice for me. In any case, I think ibo will be the
> best thing for me to finnish this chapter, but I do not want
> to ask too much of it either. Do as much as I can myself and
> let it finnish my job.
> 
> I never thought I would be missing stopping heroin one day,
> but today it seems pretty easy compared to these hard
> chemicals.
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Message: 27
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:35:03 -0500
From: Randy Faulconer <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from subutex to methadone and full stop after
    a week    or so - ?
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               If you can get to Sara Glatts go there. I think that
would be the easiest way for you to do it. Ask her about the methadone
thing. She knows.

                 Peace Love and Solidarity
                             Randy

On 12/27/09, Elina Hanninen <elluhanninen at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am only wondering about this possibility, or actually wether it is a
> possibility.
> When I stopped heroin for many times years ago most of the times I
> stopped it with was pubrenorfine. And had to experience withdrawal
> only like 24 hours when the pubre was not yet affecting through heroin
> left in my system. Then I took pubre for only 7-10 days tops. And
> stopped that as well & experiencing absolutely no withdrawal because
> they had such a different way of working in one's system. (Sorry not
> being able to express myself in correct terminology especially within
> brain chemistry in English.) I do remember not many people I knew took
> this possibility and made it work for them and always wondered why.
>
> I do not know wether this could work with these substances I have to
> work with now. Could it be possible to do the same thing with pubre
> and methadone, going from pubre to methadone only for that short
> amount of time that the meth would not get so stuck in my receptors
> but would still alleviate or almost prevent the symptoms? Does anyone
> know of this? Could it work? I wonder how many days would be the time
> before I was too stuck with meth? I know there would be probably 2-3
> days of withdrawal between pubre and meth. What I am wondering of is
> how many days does it take with meth before it is too late to drop it
> off without too much withdrawal.
>
> I am completely ready to stop the meds. I am very intrigued to
> ibogaine but one whole week of it sounds quite harsh not to mention
> the cost. Yesterday I asked about Detox from pubre from a provider and
> was told it is ok and doable, and if I was interested, I would be
> treated at the provider's for a week. With one bigger session and a
> few smaller ones.  Cost 2000? (2900 USD). From this info It seems I
> should take it long at home too, so it would become quite expensive
> then too. These are just thoughts and I will keep on collecting the
> info on making the best choice for me. In any case, I think ibo will
> be the best thing for me to finnish this chapter, but I do not want to
> ask too much of it either. Do as much as I can myself and let it
> finnish my job.
>
> I never thought I would be missing stopping heroin one day, but today
> it seems pretty easy compared to these hard chemicals.
>
> Elina Hanninen
> elluhanninen at gmail.com
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:34:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Jenks <chris at jenks.us>
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Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HH self-treatment (was ibogaworld ibogaine)
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   Aw come on, people! I wasn't suggesting that HH cut his dick off or OD 
on Datura :^O - just pointing out that behind-the-ear patches containing 
one milligram of Scopolamine have been available OTC (at least in the USA) 
for use by normal people to treat motion sickness. I'll take Randy's word 
for it that it is a bad combo. I was joking about trying the Amanita 
muscaria. Although it (muscimol, anyway) is listed under antiemetics, it 
seems risky enough by itself that it wouldn't be a safe combo to try with 
iboga, at least not for treatment. It does seem like benzos would reduce 
the visuals. Does anyone have any comments about Cannabis for nausea in 
this case?

   For Christmas I gave my wife a massaging machine we found at Fry's 
Electronics. It fits on the back of her favorite chair and rubs her sore 
back. I wonder if you have something like this, HH, that could provide a 
sensation you could focus on to ignore any nausea, if that might help you 
through it.

   If you don't make it, maybe you can reprocess the barf and take the 
alkaloid through the other end. I'm sure we could find a comfortable way 
to make a solution out of the TA.

   Chris

On Sun, 27 Dec 2009, Jim Hadey wrote:

> 
> Hi HH,
> 
> 
> Datura is a delirant? as is belladonna and both are bad news.
> Check with Erowid and no one who took any of these enjoyed
> it.? It is a bad trip and often ends with the used going to jail or
> the hospital.? Any new people out there check with erowid if
> your not sure or of course the fourm.? I doubt you would take
> enough to cause trouble or trip on it but I would not mix with
> Ibo.? Once, when contact had belladonnain it? I took a cap and
> not much happened so I took another.? I was nodding and then
> speeding and a guy asked me what I was on that I would talk
> then nod for awhile.? I told him I took two contacts and he did
> not believe me at first.? He couldn't decide if I was on downers
> or speed.? Ohhhh, the good old days.
> 
> Best,
> 
> ? - JIm
> 
> --- On Sun, 12/27/09, Helpful Hopeful <helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>       From: Helpful Hopeful <helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com>
>       Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HH self-treatment (was ibogaworld ibogaine)
>       To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>       Date: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 12:04 PM
>
>       Benedryl is no problem, and I could score some dramamine for motion sickness, but not sure how that goes with ibo.? I have a couple Xanax bars but would rather not
>       dull the visions.? I haven't tried amanitas without iboga, so will probably hold off on that, and I believe datura has atropine, scopolamine, etc. but don't want to
>       fool with that stuff too much, as everyone knows someone who's did something retarded while trying it.? I am also not familiar enough to dose an unknown plant
>       source.?
>
>       I can probably find some peppermint tea and add some ginger, though, and that might help a good bit.? I think I will also eat something light beforehand to get the
>       digestive enzymes flowing so I should absorb the freebase awfully quickly.?
>
>       It certainly does look like it's going to be much less weight than the acetic acid extract, so perhaps I won't need to take it any further to purity.? I will keep
>       everyone updated on how much farther I proceed, and/or how it works.? Thanks a bunch!
>
>       Respectfully,
>
>       HH
>
>       --- On Sat, 12/26/09, Chris Jenks <chris at jenks.us> wrote:
>
>       > From: Chris Jenks <chris at jenks.us>
>       > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HH self-treatment (was ibogaworld ibogaine)
>       > To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>       > Date: Saturday, December 26, 2009, 7:18 PM
>       >
>       > On Sat, 26 Dec 2009, Helpful Hopeful wrote:
>       >
>       > > Hope this stuff in the freebase form is as potent or
>       > near as potent as the stuff I took the first time.? I
>       > didn't feel it in my stomach last time, and started having
>       > full blown visions really heavy.? I did throw up a good
>       > bit, but was tripping and seeing visions the whole
>       > time.? I don't know what else I could do to fight
>       > nausea, besides looking for some ginger or smoking some
>       > pot.? If there is anything I can get over the counter
>       > or locally without a doctor, I would love to know.
>       >
>       > ? Wikipedia seems like the best source I could find,
>       > and the stuff they list that you could try, besides ginger
>       > and cannabis, are:
>       >
>       > antihistamines like diphenhydramine (Benadryl) and
>       > dimenhydrinate (Dramamine)
>       > benzodiazepines (midazolam and lorazepam are listed) if you
>       > have any
>       > anticholinergics, namely scopolamine used for motion
>       > sickness
>       > peppermint
>       > muscimol (from Amanita muscaria mushrooms) - you could also
>       > be the first to report on this combo. :-)
>       >
>       > ? But I wish people who have tried some of these, or
>       > especially treatment providers, could comment on what tends
>       > to work instead of us having to guess. Personally, I haven't
>       > had trouble keeping things down until they are absorbed, and
>       > tend to be lazy about looking for solutions for discomfort,
>       > so I don't have much experience finding effective
>       > antiemetics.
>       >
>       > ? Chris
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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 08:55:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Helpful Hopeful <helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HH self-treatment (was ibogaworld ibogaine)
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I do have a reliable person that says I can use a small amount of seeds for certain things, but still am gonna stay away from the datura.  

The freebase extract I got weighs 3.4 grams, from 40 g of bark.  Significantly smaller than the 11.5 I got from 44 g.  Should be much easier to absorb, but I may go for even more pure.  We'll see.  I could still process the bark one more time, and rinse the filters, but I doubt it would really gather that much more alkaloids.  

So I will probably split this into 7 capsules, and take two at a time every hour or so until I am sure it's all absorbed.  It might be a slower ride up, but should be easy on my stomach.  If I take it to more purity, I will just dose it all at once.  Will keep you all updated.

HH

--- On Mon, 12/28/09, Chris Jenks <chris at jenks.us> wrote:

> From: Chris Jenks <chris at jenks.us>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HH self-treatment (was ibogaworld ibogaine)
> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Date: Monday, December 28, 2009, 7:34 AM
> 
> ? Aw come on, people! I wasn't suggesting that HH cut
> his dick off or OD on Datura :^O - just pointing out that
> behind-the-ear patches containing one milligram of
> Scopolamine have been available OTC (at least in the USA)
> for use by normal people to treat motion sickness. I'll take
> Randy's word for it that it is a bad combo. I was joking
> about trying the Amanita muscaria. Although it (muscimol,
> anyway) is listed under antiemetics, it seems risky enough
> by itself that it wouldn't be a safe combo to try with
> iboga, at least not for treatment. It does seem like benzos
> would reduce the visuals. Does anyone have any comments
> about Cannabis for nausea in this case?
> 
> ? For Christmas I gave my wife a massaging machine we
> found at Fry's Electronics. It fits on the back of her
> favorite chair and rubs her sore back. I wonder if you have
> something like this, HH, that could provide a sensation you
> could focus on to ignore any nausea, if that might help you
> through it.
> 
> ? If you don't make it, maybe you can reprocess the
> barf and take the alkaloid through the other end. I'm sure
> we could find a comfortable way to make a solution out of
> the TA.
> 
> ? Chris
> 
> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009, Jim Hadey wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Hi HH,
> > 
> > 
> > Datura is a delirant? as is belladonna and both are
> bad news.
> > Check with Erowid and no one who took any of these
> enjoyed
> > it.? It is a bad trip and often ends with the used
> going to jail or
> > the hospital.? Any new people out there check with
> erowid if
> > your not sure or of course the fourm.? I doubt you
> would take
> > enough to cause trouble or trip on it but I would not
> mix with
> > Ibo.? Once, when contact had belladonnain it? I took
> a cap and
> > not much happened so I took another.? I was nodding
> and then
> > speeding and a guy asked me what I was on that I would
> talk
> > then nod for awhile.? I told him I took two contacts
> and he did
> > not believe me at first.? He couldn't decide if I was
> on downers
> > or speed.? Ohhhh, the good old days.
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > ? - JIm
> > 
> > --- On Sun, 12/27/09, Helpful Hopeful <helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > 
> >? ? ???From: Helpful Hopeful
> <helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com>
> >? ? ???Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]
> HH self-treatment (was ibogaworld ibogaine)
> >? ? ???To: "The Ibogaine List"
> <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >? ? ???Date: Sunday, December
> 27, 2009, 12:04 PM
> > 
> >? ? ???Benedryl is no problem,
> and I could score some dramamine for motion sickness, but
> not sure how that goes with ibo.? I have a couple Xanax
> bars but would rather not
> >? ? ???dull the visions.? I
> haven't tried amanitas without iboga, so will probably hold
> off on that, and I believe datura has atropine, scopolamine,
> etc. but don't want to
> >? ? ???fool with that stuff
> too much, as everyone knows someone who's did something
> retarded while trying it.? I am also not familiar enough to
> dose an unknown plant
> >? ? ???source.?
> > 
> >? ? ???I can probably find
> some peppermint tea and add some ginger, though, and that
> might help a good bit.? I think I will also eat something
> light beforehand to get the
> >? ? ???digestive enzymes
> flowing so I should absorb the freebase awfully quickly.?
> > 
> >? ? ???It certainly does look
> like it's going to be much less weight than the acetic acid
> extract, so perhaps I won't need to take it any further to
> purity.? I will keep
> >? ? ???everyone updated on how
> much farther I proceed, and/or how it works.? Thanks a
> bunch!
> > 
> >? ? ???Respectfully,
> > 
> >? ? ???HH
> > 
> >? ? ???--- On Sat, 12/26/09,
> Chris Jenks <chris at jenks.us>
> wrote:
> > 
> >? ? ???> From: Chris Jenks
> <chris at jenks.us>
> >? ? ???> Subject: Re:
> [Ibogaine] HH self-treatment (was ibogaworld ibogaine)
> >? ? ???> To: "The Ibogaine
> List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >? ? ???> Date: Saturday,
> December 26, 2009, 7:18 PM
> >? ? ???>
> >? ? ???> On Sat, 26 Dec
> 2009, Helpful Hopeful wrote:
> >? ? ???>
> >? ? ???> > Hope this
> stuff in the freebase form is as potent or
> >? ? ???> near as potent as
> the stuff I took the first time.? I
> >? ? ???> didn't feel it in
> my stomach last time, and started having
> >? ? ???> full blown visions
> really heavy.? I did throw up a good
> >? ? ???> bit, but was
> tripping and seeing visions the whole
> >? ? ???> time.? I don't
> know what else I could do to fight
> >? ? ???> nausea, besides
> looking for some ginger or smoking some
> >? ? ???> pot.? If there is
> anything I can get over the counter
> >? ? ???> or locally without
> a doctor, I would love to know.
> >? ? ???>
> >? ? ???> ? Wikipedia seems
> like the best source I could find,
> >? ? ???> and the stuff they
> list that you could try, besides ginger
> >? ? ???> and cannabis,
> are:
> >? ? ???>
> >? ? ???> antihistamines
> like diphenhydramine (Benadryl) and
> >? ? ???> dimenhydrinate
> (Dramamine)
> >? ? ???> benzodiazepines
> (midazolam and lorazepam are listed) if you
> >? ? ???> have any
> >? ? ???> anticholinergics,
> namely scopolamine used for motion
> >? ? ???> sickness
> >? ? ???> peppermint
> >? ? ???> muscimol (from
> Amanita muscaria mushrooms) - you could also
> >? ? ???> be the first to
> report on this combo. :-)
> >? ? ???>
> >? ? ???> ? But I wish
> people who have tried some of these, or
> >? ? ???> especially
> treatment providers, could comment on what tends
> >? ? ???> to work instead of
> us having to guess. Personally, I haven't
> >? ? ???> had trouble
> keeping things down until they are absorbed, and
> >? ? ???> tend to be lazy
> about looking for solutions for discomfort,
> >? ? ???> so I don't have
> much experience finding effective
> >? ? ???> antiemetics.
> >? ? ???>
> >? ? ???> ? Chris
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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:22:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Jenks <chris at jenks.us>
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Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HH self-treatment (was ibogaworld ibogaine)
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   HH,

   I don't know if the slow dosing is a good idea. I've had trips where I 
was nauseous and vomiting for 12 hours, long after all the alkaloids were 
absorbed, so the nausea probably isn't because of what is in the stomach, 
but rather a central effect. I'm pretty sure that even if you took the 
ibogaine IV you would still get nausea. If there is any time delay between 
absorbing the ibogaine and the amount of nausea that leads to vomiting, it 
would be to your advantage to take the full dose at once.
   I was googling for digestive aids, which might help you absorb the 
alkaloids within a reasonable time. Peppermint came up a lot - I hope you 
will try it - and the other suggestion was fennel or anise, which I 
believe contain similar oils (mainly anethole). Since Altoids makes both 
peppermint and anise flavors, maybe a few of each would do the trick. Plus 
of course ginger.

   Chris

On Mon, 28 Dec 2009, Helpful Hopeful wrote:

> I do have a reliable person that says I can use a small amount of seeds 
> for certain things, but still am gonna stay away from the datura.
>
> The freebase extract I got weighs 3.4 grams, from 40 g of bark. 
> Significantly smaller than the 11.5 I got from 44 g.  Should be much 
> easier to absorb, but I may go for even more pure.  We'll see.  I could 
> still process the bark one more time, and rinse the filters, but I doubt 
> it would really gather that much more alkaloids.
>
> So I will probably split this into 7 capsules, and take two at a time 
> every hour or so until I am sure it's all absorbed.  It might be a 
> slower ride up, but should be easy on my stomach.  If I take it to more 
> purity, I will just dose it all at once.  Will keep you all updated.
>
> HH
>
> --- On Mon, 12/28/09, Chris Jenks <chris at jenks.us> wrote:
>
>> From: Chris Jenks <chris at jenks.us>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HH self-treatment (was ibogaworld ibogaine)
>> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Date: Monday, December 28, 2009, 7:34 AM
>>
>> ? Aw come on, people! I wasn't suggesting that HH cut
>> his dick off or OD on Datura :^O - just pointing out that
>> behind-the-ear patches containing one milligram of
>> Scopolamine have been available OTC (at least in the USA)
>> for use by normal people to treat motion sickness. I'll take
>> Randy's word for it that it is a bad combo. I was joking
>> about trying the Amanita muscaria. Although it (muscimol,
>> anyway) is listed under antiemetics, it seems risky enough
>> by itself that it wouldn't be a safe combo to try with
>> iboga, at least not for treatment. It does seem like benzos
>> would reduce the visuals. Does anyone have any comments
>> about Cannabis for nausea in this case?
>>
>> ? For Christmas I gave my wife a massaging machine we
>> found at Fry's Electronics. It fits on the back of her
>> favorite chair and rubs her sore back. I wonder if you have
>> something like this, HH, that could provide a sensation you
>> could focus on to ignore any nausea, if that might help you
>> through it.
>>
>> ? If you don't make it, maybe you can reprocess the
>> barf and take the alkaloid through the other end. I'm sure
>> we could find a comfortable way to make a solution out of
>> the TA.
>>
>> ? Chris
>>
>> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009, Jim Hadey wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi HH,
>>>
>>>
>>> Datura is a delirant? as is belladonna and both are
>> bad news.
>>> Check with Erowid and no one who took any of these
>> enjoyed
>>> it.? It is a bad trip and often ends with the used
>> going to jail or
>>> the hospital.? Any new people out there check with
>> erowid if
>>> your not sure or of course the fourm.? I doubt you
>> would take
>>> enough to cause trouble or trip on it but I would not
>> mix with
>>> Ibo.? Once, when contact had belladonnain it? I took
>> a cap and
>>> not much happened so I took another.? I was nodding
>> and then
>>> speeding and a guy asked me what I was on that I would
>> talk
>>> then nod for awhile.? I told him I took two contacts
>> and he did
>>> not believe me at first.? He couldn't decide if I was
>> on downers
>>> or speed.? Ohhhh, the good old days.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> ? - JIm
>>>
>>> --- On Sun, 12/27/09, Helpful Hopeful <helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ? ? ???From: Helpful Hopeful
>> <helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com>
>>> ? ? ???Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]
>> HH self-treatment (was ibogaworld ibogaine)
>>> ? ? ???To: "The Ibogaine List"
>> <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> ? ? ???Date: Sunday, December
>> 27, 2009, 12:04 PM
>>>
>>> ? ? ???Benedryl is no problem,
>> and I could score some dramamine for motion sickness, but
>> not sure how that goes with ibo.? I have a couple Xanax
>> bars but would rather not
>>> ? ? ???dull the visions.? I
>> haven't tried amanitas without iboga, so will probably hold
>> off on that, and I believe datura has atropine, scopolamine,
>> etc. but don't want to
>>> ? ? ???fool with that stuff
>> too much, as everyone knows someone who's did something
>> retarded while trying it.? I am also not familiar enough to
>> dose an unknown plant
>>> ? ? ???source.?
>>>
>>> ? ? ???I can probably find
>> some peppermint tea and add some ginger, though, and that
>> might help a good bit.? I think I will also eat something
>> light beforehand to get the
>>> ? ? ???digestive enzymes
>> flowing so I should absorb the freebase awfully quickly.?
>>>
>>> ? ? ???It certainly does look
>> like it's going to be much less weight than the acetic acid
>> extract, so perhaps I won't need to take it any further to
>> purity.? I will keep
>>> ? ? ???everyone updated on how
>> much farther I proceed, and/or how it works.? Thanks a
>> bunch!
>>>
>>> ? ? ???Respectfully,
>>>
>>> ? ? ???HH
>>>
>>> ? ? ???--- On Sat, 12/26/09,
>> Chris Jenks <chris at jenks.us>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ? ? ???> From: Chris Jenks
>> <chris at jenks.us>
>>> ? ? ???> Subject: Re:
>> [Ibogaine] HH self-treatment (was ibogaworld ibogaine)
>>> ? ? ???> To: "The Ibogaine
>> List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> ? ? ???> Date: Saturday,
>> December 26, 2009, 7:18 PM
>>> ? ? ???>
>>> ? ? ???> On Sat, 26 Dec
>> 2009, Helpful Hopeful wrote:
>>> ? ? ???>
>>> ? ? ???> > Hope this
>> stuff in the freebase form is as potent or
>>> ? ? ???> near as potent as
>> the stuff I took the first time.? I
>>> ? ? ???> didn't feel it in
>> my stomach last time, and started having
>>> ? ? ???> full blown visions
>> really heavy.? I did throw up a good
>>> ? ? ???> bit, but was
>> tripping and seeing visions the whole
>>> ? ? ???> time.? I don't
>> know what else I could do to fight
>>> ? ? ???> nausea, besides
>> looking for some ginger or smoking some
>>> ? ? ???> pot.? If there is
>> anything I can get over the counter
>>> ? ? ???> or locally without
>> a doctor, I would love to know.
>>> ? ? ???>
>>> ? ? ???> ? Wikipedia seems
>> like the best source I could find,
>>> ? ? ???> and the stuff they
>> list that you could try, besides ginger
>>> ? ? ???> and cannabis,
>> are:
>>> ? ? ???>
>>> ? ? ???> antihistamines
>> like diphenhydramine (Benadryl) and
>>> ? ? ???> dimenhydrinate
>> (Dramamine)
>>> ? ? ???> benzodiazepines
>> (midazolam and lorazepam are listed) if you
>>> ? ? ???> have any
>>> ? ? ???> anticholinergics,
>> namely scopolamine used for motion
>>> ? ? ???> sickness
>>> ? ? ???> peppermint
>>> ? ? ???> muscimol (from
>> Amanita muscaria mushrooms) - you could also
>>> ? ? ???> be the first to
>> report on this combo. :-)
>>> ? ? ???>
>>> ? ? ???> ? But I wish
>> people who have tried some of these, or
>>> ? ? ???> especially
>> treatment providers, could comment on what tends
>>> ? ? ???> to work instead of
>> us having to guess. Personally, I haven't
>>> ? ? ???> had trouble
>> keeping things down until they are absorbed, and
>>> ? ? ???> tend to be lazy
>> about looking for solutions for discomfort,
>>> ? ? ???> so I don't have
>> much experience finding effective
>>> ? ? ???> antiemetics.
>>> ? ? ???>
>>> ? ? ???> ? Chris
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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:28:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Helpful Hopeful <helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HH self-treatment (was ibogaworld ibogaine)
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Thanks a bunch, and I will try all of them.  I didn't really have any nausea eating more capsules after my initial vomit, but I ate 2 at a time every hour or so and the trip did get stronger, but I would prefer to just eat em all at once and let it hit me hard.  

The first time, I didn't feel anything until after my stomach soured and I threw up.  If the freebase absorbs easily, it may have just been the acetic acid in the extract before that upset my stomach. I don't mind puking as long as I can absorb it all quickly, and as long as the extract doesn't upset my stomach, I am not too worried about nausea from the ibo.  

The light two day trip I had from my first go this round didn't make me nauseous at all, even after eating more capsules, although my balance was a bit out of whack when I got up and walked around.  Maybe I will take all the dose at once with a light meal like a bowl of cereal to help it absorb easily without upsetting my stomach.  

Once it's absorbed I don't care if I puke for hours on end, I just need to get enough in for the flood and visions, I think.

Thankfully,

HH

--- On Mon, 12/28/09, Chris Jenks <chris at jenks.us> wrote:

> From: Chris Jenks <chris at jenks.us>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HH self-treatment (was ibogaworld ibogaine)
> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Date: Monday, December 28, 2009, 9:22 AM
> 
> ???HH,
> 
> ???I don't know if the slow dosing is a good
> idea. I've had trips where I 
> was nauseous and vomiting for 12 hours, long after all the
> alkaloids were 
> absorbed, so the nausea probably isn't because of what is
> in the stomach, 
> but rather a central effect. I'm pretty sure that even if
> you took the 
> ibogaine IV you would still get nausea. If there is any
> time delay between 
> absorbing the ibogaine and the amount of nausea that leads
> to vomiting, it 
> would be to your advantage to take the full dose at once.
> ???I was googling for digestive aids, which
> might help you absorb the 
> alkaloids within a reasonable time. Peppermint came up a
> lot - I hope you 
> will try it - and the other suggestion was fennel or anise,
> which I 
> believe contain similar oils (mainly anethole). Since
> Altoids makes both 
> peppermint and anise flavors, maybe a few of each would do
> the trick. Plus 
> of course ginger.
> 
> ???Chris
> 
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009, Helpful Hopeful wrote:
> 
> > I do have a reliable person that says I can use a
> small amount of seeds 
> > for certain things, but still am gonna stay away from
> the datura.
> >
> > The freebase extract I got weighs 3.4 grams, from 40 g
> of bark. 
> > Significantly smaller than the 11.5 I got from 44
> g.? Should be much 
> > easier to absorb, but I may go for even more
> pure.? We'll see.? I could 
> > still process the bark one more time, and rinse the
> filters, but I doubt 
> > it would really gather that much more alkaloids.
> >
> > So I will probably split this into 7 capsules, and
> take two at a time 
> > every hour or so until I am sure it's all
> absorbed.? It might be a 
> > slower ride up, but should be easy on my
> stomach.? If I take it to more 
> > purity, I will just dose it all at once.? Will
> keep you all updated.
> >
> > HH
> >
> > --- On Mon, 12/28/09, Chris Jenks <chris at jenks.us>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Chris Jenks <chris at jenks.us>
> >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HH self-treatment (was
> ibogaworld ibogaine)
> >> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >> Date: Monday, December 28, 2009, 7:34 AM
> >>
> >> ? Aw come on, people! I wasn't suggesting that HH
> cut
> >> his dick off or OD on Datura :^O - just pointing
> out that
> >> behind-the-ear patches containing one milligram
> of
> >> Scopolamine have been available OTC (at least in
> the USA)
> >> for use by normal people to treat motion sickness.
> I'll take
> >> Randy's word for it that it is a bad combo. I was
> joking
> >> about trying the Amanita muscaria. Although it
> (muscimol,
> >> anyway) is listed under antiemetics, it seems
> risky enough
> >> by itself that it wouldn't be a safe combo to try
> with
> >> iboga, at least not for treatment. It does seem
> like benzos
> >> would reduce the visuals. Does anyone have any
> comments
> >> about Cannabis for nausea in this case?
> >>
> >> ? For Christmas I gave my wife a massaging
> machine we
> >> found at Fry's Electronics. It fits on the back of
> her
> >> favorite chair and rubs her sore back. I wonder if
> you have
> >> something like this, HH, that could provide a
> sensation you
> >> could focus on to ignore any nausea, if that might
> help you
> >> through it.
> >>
> >> ? If you don't make it, maybe you can reprocess
> the
> >> barf and take the alkaloid through the other end.
> I'm sure
> >> we could find a comfortable way to make a solution
> out of
> >> the TA.
> >>
> >> ? Chris
> >>
> >> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009, Jim Hadey wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Hi HH,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Datura is a delirant? as is belladonna and
> both are
> >> bad news.
> >>> Check with Erowid and no one who took any of
> these
> >> enjoyed
> >>> it.? It is a bad trip and often ends with the
> used
> >> going to jail or
> >>> the hospital.? Any new people out there check
> with
> >> erowid if
> >>> your not sure or of course the fourm.? I
> doubt you
> >> would take
> >>> enough to cause trouble or trip on it but I
> would not
> >> mix with
> >>> Ibo.? Once, when contact had belladonnain
> it? I took
> >> a cap and
> >>> not much happened so I took another.? I was
> nodding
> >> and then
> >>> speeding and a guy asked me what I was on that
> I would
> >> talk
> >>> then nod for awhile.? I told him I took two
> contacts
> >> and he did
> >>> not believe me at first.? He couldn't decide
> if I was
> >> on downers
> >>> or speed.? Ohhhh, the good old days.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>>
> >>> ? - JIm
> >>>
> >>> --- On Sun, 12/27/09, Helpful Hopeful <helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ? ? ???From: Helpful Hopeful
> >> <helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com>
> >>> ? ? ???Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]
> >> HH self-treatment (was ibogaworld ibogaine)
> >>> ? ? ???To: "The Ibogaine List"
> >> <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >>> ? ? ???Date: Sunday, December
> >> 27, 2009, 12:04 PM
> >>>
> >>> ? ? ???Benedryl is no problem,
> >> and I could score some dramamine for motion
> sickness, but
> >> not sure how that goes with ibo.? I have a couple
> Xanax
> >> bars but would rather not
> >>> ? ? ???dull the visions.? I
> >> haven't tried amanitas without iboga, so will
> probably hold
> >> off on that, and I believe datura has atropine,
> scopolamine,
> >> etc. but don't want to
> >>> ? ? ???fool with that stuff
> >> too much, as everyone knows someone who's did
> something
> >> retarded while trying it.? I am also not familiar
> enough to
> >> dose an unknown plant
> >>> ? ? ???source.?
> >>>
> >>> ? ? ???I can probably find
> >> some peppermint tea and add some ginger, though,
> and that
> >> might help a good bit.? I think I will also eat
> something
> >> light beforehand to get the
> >>> ? ? ???digestive enzymes
> >> flowing so I should absorb the freebase awfully
> quickly.?
> >>>
> >>> ? ? ???It certainly does look
> >> like it's going to be much less weight than the
> acetic acid
> >> extract, so perhaps I won't need to take it any
> further to
> >> purity.? I will keep
> >>> ? ? ???everyone updated on how
> >> much farther I proceed, and/or how it works.?
> Thanks a
> >> bunch!
> >>>
> >>> ? ? ???Respectfully,
> >>>
> >>> ? ? ???HH
> >>>
> >>> ? ? ???--- On Sat, 12/26/09,
> >> Chris Jenks <chris at jenks.us>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ? ? ???> From: Chris Jenks
> >> <chris at jenks.us>
> >>> ? ? ???> Subject: Re:
> >> [Ibogaine] HH self-treatment (was ibogaworld
> ibogaine)
> >>> ? ? ???> To: "The Ibogaine
> >> List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >>> ? ? ???> Date: Saturday,
> >> December 26, 2009, 7:18 PM
> >>> ? ? ???>
> >>> ? ? ???> On Sat, 26 Dec
> >> 2009, Helpful Hopeful wrote:
> >>> ? ? ???>
> >>> ? ? ???> > Hope this
> >> stuff in the freebase form is as potent or
> >>> ? ? ???> near as potent as
> >> the stuff I took the first time.? I
> >>> ? ? ???> didn't feel it in
> >> my stomach last time, and started having
> >>> ? ? ???> full blown visions
> >> really heavy.? I did throw up a good
> >>> ? ? ???> bit, but was
> >> tripping and seeing visions the whole
> >>> ? ? ???> time.? I don't
> >> know what else I could do to fight
> >>> ? ? ???> nausea, besides
> >> looking for some ginger or smoking some
> >>> ? ? ???> pot.? If there is
> >> anything I can get over the counter
> >>> ? ? ???> or locally without
> >> a doctor, I would love to know.
> >>> ? ? ???>
> >>> ? ? ???> ? Wikipedia seems
> >> like the best source I could find,
> >>> ? ? ???> and the stuff they
> >> list that you could try, besides ginger
> >>> ? ? ???> and cannabis,
> >> are:
> >>> ? ? ???>
> >>> ? ? ???> antihistamines
> >> like diphenhydramine (Benadryl) and
> >>> ? ? ???> dimenhydrinate
> >> (Dramamine)
> >>> ? ? ???> benzodiazepines
> >> (midazolam and lorazepam are listed) if you
> >>> ? ? ???> have any
> >>> ? ? ???> anticholinergics,
> >> namely scopolamine used for motion
> >>> ? ? ???> sickness
> >>> ? ? ???> peppermint
> >>> ? ? ???> muscimol (from
> >> Amanita muscaria mushrooms) - you could also
> >>> ? ? ???> be the first to
> >> report on this combo. :-)
> >>> ? ? ???>
> >>> ? ? ???> ? But I wish
> >> people who have tried some of these, or
> >>> ? ? ???> especially
> >> treatment providers, could comment on what tends
> >>> ? ? ???> to work instead of
> >> us having to guess. Personally, I haven't
> >>> ? ? ???> had trouble
> >> keeping things down until they are absorbed, and
> >>> ? ? ???> tend to be lazy
> >> about looking for solutions for discomfort,
> >>> ? ? ???> so I don't have
> >> much experience finding effective
> >>> ? ? ???> antiemetics.
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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:30:33 +0000
From: Beverly Jackson <izmudd at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Can I do this on my own?
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Hi Lois,

This is a good place to start to find your answer to the question.
In short, yes, you can. You can do anything you want, it is certainly your
life!

BUT, there are many, considerations and many unique situations that make
taking Iboga with a knowledgeable and experienced person preferable, if
possible.
That's not what I did, nope. I did it with my husband and at home. I studied
my Ibo fixated ass off, asked a whole lot of questions, made some fine
friends here and elsewhere and felt like I had ensured my safety. My
experience gave me what I needed, and I can still clearly see how it could
have been different/'better' had I had someone with me who was familiar with
Iboga.

It's good to know the difference between ibogaine, iboga total alkaloid
extract (TA), and root bark.
It's good to know which medical conditions would be contraindicated.
It's good to know about medication interactions.
It's good to know what to expect when you ingest.
It's good to know what dose others before you in similar situations have
used effectively.

Stick around and learn as much as you can.
Welcome!

Beverly



On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 11:04 AM, jolazopa at mac.com <jolazopa at mac.com> wrote:

> yes lois just click on mind vox and fill out the registration,and you will
> be a member!! your up alreadt?oh its 6 am there now!!
> On Dec 27, 2009, at 2:32 PM, Lois Watts wrote:
>
>
>>
>> --
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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:40:43 -0700
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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:54:07 -0700
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food will slow down the absorbtion.... its not really the ibo that causes
you to get sick.. its like motion sickness, it just happens... id eat on an
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Message: 35
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:56:32 +0200
From: Elina Hanninen <elluhanninen at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from subutex to methadone and full stop after
    a week    or so - ?
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Thank's. I have already contacted Sara.
I also asked her of going from Sub or switching to meth. We'll see.
I will keep posting of this.

I will have to lower my dosage anyways and I will have a change in  
clinic within 2 weeks as I move to the neighboring city. It might end  
up in forced switch in my medication. Or then not forced if I want to.  
I will definitely not take suboxone, but methadone, if those 2 are my  
alternatives. I can not help it but meth scares me bit, even I am  
familiar with scientific evidence on pubre being a lot more stuck in  
one's receptors.
I have a hunch this process will take few moths before I know where I  
will go or what to do.

I got a phone call from the Ibogahouse from Costa Rica today.
Was pretty surprised as I thought I had left an internet inquiry to  
Eastern european clinic. They seem to die and come up again in pretty  
fast pace.
How is this Costa Rican place? Just out of interest. Obviously there's  
no point or possibility me paying thousands for the the flights, too.



On 28.12.2009, at 16.35, Randy Faulconer wrote:

>               If you can get to Sara Glatts go there. I think that
> would be the easiest way for you to do it. Ask her about the methadone
> thing. She knows.
>
>                 Peace Love and Solidarity
>                             Randy
>
> On 12/27/09, Elina Hanninen <elluhanninen at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I am only wondering about this possibility, or actually wether it  
>> is a
>> possibility.
>> When I stopped heroin for many times years ago most of the times I
>> stopped it with was pubrenorfine. And had to experience withdrawal
>> only like 24 hours when the pubre was not yet affecting through  
>> heroin
>> left in my system. Then I took pubre for only 7-10 days tops. And
>> stopped that as well & experiencing absolutely no withdrawal because
>> they had such a different way of working in one's system. (Sorry not
>> being able to express myself in correct terminology especially within
>> brain chemistry in English.) I do remember not many people I knew  
>> took
>> this possibility and made it work for them and always wondered why.
>>
>> I do not know wether this could work with these substances I have to
>> work with now. Could it be possible to do the same thing with pubre
>> and methadone, going from pubre to methadone only for that short
>> amount of time that the meth would not get so stuck in my receptors
>> but would still alleviate or almost prevent the symptoms? Does anyone
>> know of this? Could it work? I wonder how many days would be the time
>> before I was too stuck with meth? I know there would be probably 2-3
>> days of withdrawal between pubre and meth. What I am wondering of is
>> how many days does it take with meth before it is too late to drop it
>> off without too much withdrawal.
>>
>> I am completely ready to stop the meds. I am very intrigued to
>> ibogaine but one whole week of it sounds quite harsh not to mention
>> the cost. Yesterday I asked about Detox from pubre from a provider  
>> and
>> was told it is ok and doable, and if I was interested, I would be
>> treated at the provider's for a week. With one bigger session and a
>> few smaller ones.  Cost 2000? (2900 USD). From this info It seems I
>> should take it long at home too, so it would become quite expensive
>> then too. These are just thoughts and I will keep on collecting the
>> info on making the best choice for me. In any case, I think ibo will
>> be the best thing for me to finnish this chapter, but I do not want  
>> to
>> ask too much of it either. Do as much as I can myself and let it
>> finnish my job.
>>
>> I never thought I would be missing stopping heroin one day, but today
>> it seems pretty easy compared to these hard chemicals.
>>
>> Elina Hanninen
>> elluhanninen at gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 36
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 05:11:57 -0500
From: jerrygarciadude at aol.com
To: "ibogaine at mindvox.com" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo tech Q
Message-ID: <D58FA47C-CE22-43EB-9715-B15ABC4D11B6 at aol.com>
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Please help me if u can. I am unable to travel outside NYC. But I  
desperately need to get clean in next few days. Any guidance would be  
greatly appreciated .
Sam

Sent from my iPod


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Message: 37
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:28:53 -0500
From: Randy Faulconer <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HH self-treatment (was ibogaworld ibogaine)
Message-ID:
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         Lee is right, it's the motion sickness that does it. This I
know. That doesn't mean that Ibo is really great for your stomach.
Matter of fact one thing that nobody is talking about is eating yogurt
afterwards. It put's the bugs (cultures, pro biotics) back in your
system that the Ibo kills. You can take that pro biotic pearls if you
don't like or can't do yogurt.

         Peace Love and Trails
                    Randy


On 12/28/09, junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com> wrote:
> food will slow down the absorbtion.... its not really the ibo that causes
> you to get sick.. its like motion sickness, it just happens... id eat on an
> empty stomach
>


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Message: 38
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:34:48 +0000
From: Beverly Jackson <izmudd at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HH self-treatment (was ibogaworld ibogaine)
Message-ID:
    <68a68f8a0912281434v21a0230fvfc5b73a82d0f7ddf at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Ya know, I was just letting this one ride with all the good info already
being shared til I heard you mention yoghurt, Randy.

For what it's worth, HH, I also dosed at home with TA. I smoked some pot,
drank some ginger tea and took dramamine beforehand. Next time, I'll leave
out the pot to be more mentally clear.
I was not nauseous, not really at all. About two? hours in I had a HUGE
INSISTENT need for a couple spoons of plain yoghurt. Dear husband ran out
and got some, I ate two spoons and settled back into the experience without
that niggling need. I threw up twice later, negligible amounts of  stomach
contents. I wasn't really nauseous, though. Just "time to throw up", blurp,
done. I had eaten very light the day before, and fasted the day of. I list
all I did here, not knowing which one thing, or which combination actually
worked for me.

I don't think there's much to be done to completely avoid ralphing, but
that's what worked for me.

B

On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Randy Faulconer <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>wrote:

>         Lee is right, it's the motion sickness that does it. This I
> know. That doesn't mean that Ibo is really great for your stomach.
> Matter of fact one thing that nobody is talking about is eating yogurt
> afterwards. It put's the bugs (cultures, pro biotics) back in your
> system that the Ibo kills. You can take that pro biotic pearls if you
> don't like or can't do yogurt.
>
>         Peace Love and Trails
>                    Randy
>
>
> On 12/28/09, junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > food will slow down the absorbtion.... its not really the ibo that causes
> > you to get sick.. its like motion sickness, it just happens... id eat on
> an
> > empty stomach
> >
>
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Message: 39
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:43:58 +0000
From: Beverly Jackson <izmudd at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo tech Q
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Hey Sam,

Man, I hope you aren't going to jail or some other lovely and controlled
place.

I wish you all the luck in the world in finding what you need in a matter of
days. The ibo experience itself, well, that alone takes at least a few days.
Some folks find it takes a couple months to reach what they seek. In fact,
I'd even venture to say many find it takes months.

There are great people here, stick around, learn what you can, keep posting.

Warm wishes,
B

On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 10:11 AM, <jerrygarciadude at aol.com> wrote:

> Please help me if u can. I am unable to travel outside NYC. But I
> desperately need to get clean in next few days. Any guidance would be
> greatly appreciated .
> Sam
>
> Sent from my iPod
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Message: 40
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 19:59:27 -0500
From: Randy Faulconer <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo tech Q
Message-ID:
    <29d165a30912281659u6210df7didd4ad75de0f6af94 at mail.gmail.com>
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          Hey bro, send me an offlist note so we can communicate. I
think I can help you out. You are most def in the right city to find
Ibo fast.

       Free Your mind And Your Ass Will Follow   (George Clinton)

           Peace Love and the Underground
                            Randy
                                 BiscuitBoy Blues

On 12/28/09, Beverly Jackson <izmudd at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Sam,
>
> Man, I hope you aren't going to jail or some other lovely and controlled
> place.
>
> I wish you all the luck in the world in finding what you need in a matter of
> days. The ibo experience itself, well, that alone takes at least a few days.
> Some folks find it takes a couple months to reach what they seek. In fact,
> I'd even venture to say many find it takes months.
>
> There are great people here, stick around, learn what you can, keep posting.
>
> Warm wishes,
> B
>
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 10:11 AM, <jerrygarciadude at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Please help me if u can. I am unable to travel outside NYC. But I
>> desperately need to get clean in next few days. Any guidance would be
>> greatly appreciated .
>> Sam
>>
>> Sent from my iPod
>>
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>
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> act."     George Orwell
>


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Message: 41
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 03:25:20 +0200
From: Elina <ibogamail76 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] test
Message-ID: <7B2E7CB4-C3CF-4303-B609-1379FE46D63D at gmail.com>
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sorry


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Message: 42
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:26:28 -0500
From: Randy Faulconer <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo stories
Message-ID:
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             Hey yalls, I am compiling a list of Ibogaine stories,
treatment reports, however you want to put it. There are a lot of you
all that haven't put out anything about your treatment and how it
went. I will be putting these stories on the Mindvox site in the
future but right now I am still getting all of the stories together. I
know I have been remiss at getting this done, but I swear, I'm gonna
do this soon. When I get back home to KY, most likely in at least 2
months from now I will be with my son who is VERY good with 'puters
and the like, and it will get done fast then.

       What I would like to have is your name (if you want, you don't
have to) the drug you were kicking if at all, it could be just a
spiritual thing I need that too, the set and setting, if a person was
with you, how long you were using.........etc. etc. I may have to edit
it some, you'll just have to trust me on that, but just for space. You
can send it private or over the list.

         There have been a whole lot of treatments done lately and we
can really use the data, and just think, you just might move somebody
to want to help themselves. I know I couldn't get enough info on
treatments when I was looking around for myself and I was always
looking for something similar to my own situation, you never know when
you can be relating to somebody. I'm going to be putting my first and
my next treatment stories out here for yall to look at. You can't be
any crazier then I am, come on. This is important yall, it's not just
about your ego or lack thereof. What I think is most amazing is the
similarities that come up while everyone has a completely different
experience.

        Help me out here people, don't make me beg or name names. I
don't wanna have to stalk anybody but I will if I have to. You know
who you are that have promised me stories, I'm makin' a
list....................in purple ink.....................on spice
paper..................dipped in sandworm vomit.

          Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

                     Peace Love and Oracles
                                     Randy
                                          BiscuitBoy Blues

On 12/28/09, Elina Hanninen <elluhanninen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank's. I have already contacted Sara.
> I also asked her of going from Sub or switching to meth. We'll see.
> I will keep posting of this.
>
> I will have to lower my dosage anyways and I will have a change in
> clinic within 2 weeks as I move to the neighboring city. It might end
> up in forced switch in my medication. Or then not forced if I want to.
> I will definitely not take suboxone, but methadone, if those 2 are my
> alternatives. I can not help it but meth scares me bit, even I am
> familiar with scientific evidence on pubre being a lot more stuck in
> one's receptors.
> I have a hunch this process will take few moths before I know where I
> will go or what to do.
>
> I got a phone call from the Ibogahouse from Costa Rica today.
> Was pretty surprised as I thought I had left an internet inquiry to
> Eastern european clinic. They seem to die and come up again in pretty
> fast pace.
> How is this Costa Rican place? Just out of interest. Obviously there's
> no point or possibility me paying thousands for the the flights, too.
>
>
>
> On 28.12.2009, at 16.35, Randy Faulconer wrote:
>
>>               If you can get to Sara Glatts go there. I think that
>> would be the easiest way for you to do it. Ask her about the methadone
>> thing. She knows.
>>
>>                 Peace Love and Solidarity
>>                             Randy
>>
>> On 12/27/09, Elina Hanninen <elluhanninen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I am only wondering about this possibility, or actually wether it
>>> is a
>>> possibility.
>>> When I stopped heroin for many times years ago most of the times I
>>> stopped it with was pubrenorfine. And had to experience withdrawal
>>> only like 24 hours when the pubre was not yet affecting through
>>> heroin
>>> left in my system. Then I took pubre for only 7-10 days tops. And
>>> stopped that as well & experiencing absolutely no withdrawal because
>>> they had such a different way of working in one's system. (Sorry not
>>> being able to express myself in correct terminology especially within
>>> brain chemistry in English.) I do remember not many people I knew
>>> took
>>> this possibility and made it work for them and always wondered why.
>>>
>>> I do not know wether this could work with these substances I have to
>>> work with now. Could it be possible to do the same thing with pubre
>>> and methadone, going from pubre to methadone only for that short
>>> amount of time that the meth would not get so stuck in my receptors
>>> but would still alleviate or almost prevent the symptoms? Does anyone
>>> know of this? Could it work? I wonder how many days would be the time
>>> before I was too stuck with meth? I know there would be probably 2-3
>>> days of withdrawal between pubre and meth. What I am wondering of is
>>> how many days does it take with meth before it is too late to drop it
>>> off without too much withdrawal.
>>>
>>> I am completely ready to stop the meds. I am very intrigued to
>>> ibogaine but one whole week of it sounds quite harsh not to mention
>>> the cost. Yesterday I asked about Detox from pubre from a provider
>>> and
>>> was told it is ok and doable, and if I was interested, I would be
>>> treated at the provider's for a week. With one bigger session and a
>>> few smaller ones.  Cost 2000? (2900 USD). From this info It seems I
>>> should take it long at home too, so it would become quite expensive
>>> then too. These are just thoughts and I will keep on collecting the
>>> info on making the best choice for me. In any case, I think ibo will
>>> be the best thing for me to finnish this chapter, but I do not want
>>> to
>>> ask too much of it either. Do as much as I can myself and let it
>>> finnish my job.
>>>
>>> I never thought I would be missing stopping heroin one day, but today
>>> it seems pretty easy compared to these hard chemicals.
>>>
>>> Elina Hanninen
>>> elluhanninen at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Message: 43
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:37:03 -0500
From: Randy Faulconer <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from subutex to methadone and full stop after
    a week    or so - ?
Message-ID:
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                If this Ibogahouse is who I think it is, they are very
good people. Matter of fact I have very rarely heard bad things about
a certain place. There are always people who for whatever reason have
bad experiences, but all in all, everybody involved in Ibogaine means
well. If it were me I would always ask who the person or people
trained with, where they get their medicine, how the place is set up,
how long you can expect to get aftercare, food, rooms...........that
kind of thing. Doing things from an underground perspective is a whole
different thing. Then you just have to do the best you can, and it's
probably more important that you trust them then anything. But always,
no matter what, make sure they know where the closest hospital is.

        To repeat myself, I'd go to Sara's if I were you.

                 Peace Love and Solidarity
                                   Randy

On 12/28/09, Elina Hanninen <elluhanninen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank's. I have already contacted Sara.
> I also asked her of going from Sub or switching to meth. We'll see.
> I will keep posting of this.
>
> I will have to lower my dosage anyways and I will have a change in
> clinic within 2 weeks as I move to the neighboring city. It might end
> up in forced switch in my medication. Or then not forced if I want to.
> I will definitely not take suboxone, but methadone, if those 2 are my
> alternatives. I can not help it but meth scares me bit, even I am
> familiar with scientific evidence on pubre being a lot more stuck in
> one's receptors.
> I have a hunch this process will take few moths before I know where I
> will go or what to do.
>
> I got a phone call from the Ibogahouse from Costa Rica today.
> Was pretty surprised as I thought I had left an internet inquiry to
> Eastern european clinic. They seem to die and come up again in pretty
> fast pace.
> How is this Costa Rican place? Just out of interest. Obviously there's
> no point or possibility me paying thousands for the the flights, too.
>
>
>
> On 28.12.2009, at 16.35, Randy Faulconer wrote:
>
>>               If you can get to Sara Glatts go there. I think that
>> would be the easiest way for you to do it. Ask her about the methadone
>> thing. She knows.
>>
>>                 Peace Love and Solidarity
>>                             Randy
>>
>> On 12/27/09, Elina Hanninen <elluhanninen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I am only wondering about this possibility, or actually wether it
>>> is a
>>> possibility.
>>> When I stopped heroin for many times years ago most of the times I
>>> stopped it with was pubrenorfine. And had to experience withdrawal
>>> only like 24 hours when the pubre was not yet affecting through
>>> heroin
>>> left in my system. Then I took pubre for only 7-10 days tops. And
>>> stopped that as well & experiencing absolutely no withdrawal because
>>> they had such a different way of working in one's system. (Sorry not
>>> being able to express myself in correct terminology especially within
>>> brain chemistry in English.) I do remember not many people I knew
>>> took
>>> this possibility and made it work for them and always wondered why.
>>>
>>> I do not know wether this could work with these substances I have to
>>> work with now. Could it be possible to do the same thing with pubre
>>> and methadone, going from pubre to methadone only for that short
>>> amount of time that the meth would not get so stuck in my receptors
>>> but would still alleviate or almost prevent the symptoms? Does anyone
>>> know of this? Could it work? I wonder how many days would be the time
>>> before I was too stuck with meth? I know there would be probably 2-3
>>> days of withdrawal between pubre and meth. What I am wondering of is
>>> how many days does it take with meth before it is too late to drop it
>>> off without too much withdrawal.
>>>
>>> I am completely ready to stop the meds. I am very intrigued to
>>> ibogaine but one whole week of it sounds quite harsh not to mention
>>> the cost. Yesterday I asked about Detox from pubre from a provider
>>> and
>>> was told it is ok and doable, and if I was interested, I would be
>>> treated at the provider's for a week. With one bigger session and a
>>> few smaller ones.  Cost 2000? (2900 USD). From this info It seems I
>>> should take it long at home too, so it would become quite expensive
>>> then too. These are just thoughts and I will keep on collecting the
>>> info on making the best choice for me. In any case, I think ibo will
>>> be the best thing for me to finnish this chapter, but I do not want
>>> to
>>> ask too much of it either. Do as much as I can myself and let it
>>> finnish my job.
>>>
>>> I never thought I would be missing stopping heroin one day, but today
>>> it seems pretty easy compared to these hard chemicals.
>>>
>>> Elina Hanninen
>>> elluhanninen at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Message: 44
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:48:23 -0800
From: James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] test
Message-ID:
    <108a1b7d0912281748q79d8197blb0fc603e7647e4e4 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Sorry sorry testy forgiveness pooh!

On 12/28/09, Elina <ibogamail76 at gmail.com> wrote:
> sorry
>
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-- 
Sent from my mobile device


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Message: 45
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 04:44:26 -0500
From: Sam <sam at sourapplenyc.com>
To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Looking for help asap
Message-ID: <C75DE82A.FB1%sam at sourapplenyc.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="US-ASCII"

To whom it may concern,

I am in desperate need of guidance. I need help in the next ten days in nyc.

Please help
Sam
9179232409




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Message: 46
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 04:05:58 -0500
From: Sam <sam at sourapplenyc.com>
To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] <no subject>
Message-ID: <C75F30A6.FC6%sam at sourapplenyc.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="US-ASCII"

I am seeking guidance asap. I am located in nyc. 




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Message: 47
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 07:31:50 -0600
From: Jeremy Spence <jlspence12 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Looking for help asap
Message-ID: <D28D374F-3E49-4431-9B57-84DCAC5B8AD5 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii;    format=flowed;    delsp=yes

Hey man, We don't know u dude..

Iboga, and ibogaine is "NOT"
Legal in the states, if you have not already heard that.................

I'm not madd at dude..
But Mannnnnnn.........................

Please be aware that's post like this go out to 1000s of poeple all  
over the world,  Yes, even the DEA.............

I'm not getting on to dude.
But man, it needs to be kept as lights a possible when talking about  
ibogaine in the states.

It's not legal, and if caught, u "will"
Do time, more then likely. 9 times out
of 10, your "going to prision", "the big house", "jail", "the Joint."

Just be aware of that. Hey man.
I've made post that have been off the scale in everyway possible.

Just try to be aware of that fact here.
Poeple might not want to mess with dude. It looks like a setup.

Man, just might want to just keep that in mind. Poeple are doing hard  
time in the US prision system that never thought it be them.
I'm just saying. Be smart man, that all....

I'm not Madd at u dude. Not at all, not one bit.

But just putting you real phone # for everyone to see. I mean I've  
done  worse thought.

I got a blown up pic of my bodybuilding idiot self on here some where  
here on the list(ANY THING U POST ONLINE IS ON LINE "FOREVER!!!" it  
hardly
Can never get off there.
U can take legal action, but my god.
"u posted it!!!!"
"Your the idiot" me included!

, so I got no rioom to talk.
Yea, I'm a "dumb ass" Yep, sure am!!
But "too late now I guess.
Owe....
Too bad so sad.....
I feel if poeple want to find out so bad, what I'm doing?
Let them!!!
I'm done With the bull myself.

Just keep in mind, your post looks like of DEAish, not to say u are.  
I'm in no way saying dude is.

I don't know about getting iboga or it's salts, or there of, into the  
USA??
I've personally never seen a real live treat here, not here I haven't.
However I live in Evansville, IN.
So this town worthless.
Hate to say it.

I wish it wasn't like that but it's bad here. Iqorance, that it, and  
alcohol, and
Smoke shops(cigs, not weed)
That doesn't do any harm to nobody..
RIGHT!

Man, wasn't getting on to u dude.'
We are all a bunch of crazy mother fuckers on here.
"all" of us.

But believe it or not. Iboga, and it's salts, and HCL of salts work.  
And do what they do. Reset the brain.

But it needs to be highly respected.
Xanax would help some, just a pinch not over do it.
It kills the healingness of the iboga, and the healing visions.

That yes. are cool as hell.

Stick around. And soMe body from the
Men in black may beam down from space to give u some help.


Wish U you all the beat.
J


Oh well, I'll have to live
hope Dr. Oz dont find me out.....
He might come and press, and press me back into IV for chronic pain.

Or how about Dr Phil, he might come
out,




On Dec 28, 2009, at 3:44 AM, Sam <sam at sourapplenyc.com> wrote:

> To whom it may concern,
>
> I am in desperate need of guidance. I need help in the next ten days  
> in nyc.
>
> Please help
> Sam
> 9179232409
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Message: 48
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 06:12:44 -0800 (PST)
From: Jim Hadey <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] <no subject>
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HI Sam,

You need ibo and you need it fast.? I can think of many reasons.? 
Is there anyway you can go to Canada?? Could you have a 
friend or loved one go to Canada?? When a person comes on
the forum and say I got money can someone help me everyone
thinks it a cop.? 

But I got the feeling your desperate.? I take it
you got to go to court or maybe go to jail.? I'm telling you now
it going to cost you.? Ibo sells for $625 per gram plus a 12%
VAT (value added tax) so your talking $700 plus per gram plus
shipping and handling and insurance.? Chances are you need
two grams.? Do you know much about Ibo?? You can not take
Ibo Friday and be fine on Monday.? You feel tired because
you just detoxed, and you do not sleep and eat very little for
the next week.

Do you have the money?? Do you have someone that can drive
to Canada?? You need a passport now.? If you got the money
you have to front it to the guy on the net for he will not front it
to you.? The odd of getting ripped of are huge.? I might be able
to help you out. If you tell me why you want it so bad I can help
guide you.? But the answer might be sorry, can't help.? Or I might
give you an idea or two that will work.? If your going to write give
me as much info as possible if you in a hurry.? Tell me your age,
how much your using of what drug, shooting or snorting, how long.
You will have a much better chance if your using H than if your using
something like Methadone or Subutex.? Drop me a line and we
can talk.? I will tell you right now the odds are slim but I have been
known to come up with some pretty good ideas.? Again your going
to have to front the money.? I am not a rip off, but that's what they 
all say.? But you must have a lot of faith to send? someone $1400 plus
on his word that he will send it to you.? That does not include picking
up charges and that.? Do you plan on doing an provider detox or a
do it yourself detox.? That can be dangerous if you have not idea of
what your doing, I am not being disrespectful but very honest.

Best to ya,

? - JIM

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From: Sam <sam at sourapplenyc.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] <no subject>
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 4:05 AM

I am seeking guidance asap. I am located in nyc. 



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Message: 49
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:25:25 -0700
From: sasha victory <sashavictory at mac.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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What sort of guidance are you  looking for?

I will  be in NYC tomorrow fora few weeks.


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Message: 50
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 06:44:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Hill <senacomhill at yahoo.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] <no subject>
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I'm right outside nyc, contact matt s, toronto ibogaine, closest to nyc and in my very recent experience an outstanding result...Mike



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Message: 51
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:54:09 -0700
From: Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com>
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Message: 52
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:07:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Jim Hadey <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] O.T. Yahoo Sells All Its Users Private Email
    Contents to    U.S.
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Hi People,

Would you believe that Ya sells your private e-mail. I wonder
if cheating husbands and wives and all they talk about are
for sale.? I wonder if a lawyer could buy the data of his
clients spouse's account?? How about...? - you fill in the blank.

Best to all,
? - JIM 



      
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Message: 53
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:19:55 -0700
From: "jolazopa at mac.com" <jolazopa at mac.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] O.T. Yahoo Sells All Its Users Private Email
    Contents to U.S.
Message-ID: <DCF427B2-B209-473E-9FD8-B9E5C31579C7 at mac.com>
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thats why yahoo stinks!!!!!!!! period!!!! get g mail or mac.com or  
rr.com  ceate new idenitys ,get a track phone and a po box or make  
something up!!!!!ome on people ,thats the same as face book or my  
space orlindle or any of that stuff craigs list every one better  
cancel every thing they got and crearound that was in wired magazine,  
how to dissapearate new idenity!!!!its big brother out there !!start  
fresh!!!! get a new hard drive!!! remember that story?????? i,l dig it  
up again!!!! JOLAZOPA
On Dec 29, 2009, at 10:07 AM, Jim Hadey wrote:

>
> Hi People,
>
> Would you believe that Ya sells your private e-mail. I wonder
> if cheating husbands and wives and all they talk about are
> for sale.  I wonder if a lawyer could buy the data of his
> clients spouse's account?  How about...  - you fill in the blank.
>
> Best to all,
>   - JIM
>
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Message: 54
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:23:44 -0700
From: "jolazopa at mac.com" <jolazopa at mac.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: O.T. Yahoo Sells All Its Users Private Email
    Contents to U.S.
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Begin forwarded message:

> From: "jolazopa at mac.com" <jolazopa at mac.com>
> Date: December 29, 2009 10:19:51 AM MST
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] O.T. Yahoo Sells All Its Users Private Email  
> Contents to U.S.
>
> thats why yahoo stinks!!!!!!!! period!!!! get g mail or mac.com or  
> rr.com  ceate new idenitys ,get a track phone and a po box or make  
> something up!!!!!ome on people ,thats the same as face book or my  
> space orlindle or any of that stuff craigs list every one better  
> cancel every thing they got and crearound that was in wired  
> magazine, how to dissapearate new idenity!!!!its big brother out  
> there !!start fresh!!!! get a new hard drive!!! remember that  
> story?????? i,l dig it up again!!!! JOLAZOPA
> On Dec 29, 2009, at 10:07 AM, Jim Hadey wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi People,
>>
>> Would you believe that Ya sells your private e-mail. I wonder
>> if cheating husbands and wives and all they talk about are
>> for sale.  I wonder if a lawyer could buy the data of his
>> clients spouse's account?  How about...  - you fill in the blank.
>>
>> Best to all,
>>   - JIM
>>
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Message: 55
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:52:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Jim Hadey <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] O.T. Yahoo Sells All Its Users Private Email
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Hi All,

I bet you thought I forget to put the link in as I usually do.
Well your right.? Yep, lots of smart people here.

mathaba.net/news/?x=622292


? - JIM

--- On Tue, 12/29/09, Jim Hadey <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Jim Hadey <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] O.T. Yahoo Sells All Its Users Private Email Contents to U.S.
To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 12:07 PM


Hi People,

Would you believe that Ya sells your private e-mail. I wonder
if cheating husbands and wives and all they talk about are
for sale.? I wonder if a lawyer could buy the data of his
clients spouse's account?? How about...? - you fill in the blank.

Best to all,
? - JIM 





      
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Message: 56
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:55:11 -0700
From: Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com>
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:57:19 -0700
From: Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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Message: 58
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:48:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Jim Hadey <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] O.T. Yahoo Sells All Its Users Private Email
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Hi JZ,

I remember when they had the cops following me.? One died
of boredom and they tried to pin it on me.? I hardly ever leave
the house. LOL? Good to see ya again, man.

If you listen to Alex Jones it was a set up.? OK, Jim the conspiracy
theorist.? OK how come the guy got on the plane with no Passport?
Who was the well dressed man who helped him get by security,
maybe someone with a badge?? PTEN is a power exploseive and
hard to get.? Only military have it and of course may sell it to the
terrorists.? But how come it did not explode?? I mean come on can't
he get a plastic hand grenade? He had 80 grams about 3 oz and
it caught on fire and did not explode.? Same exact thing as that
other fool last year - he tried to light his shoe on fire and might of
succeed if he could of flicked his Bic but he tried to use matches 
that got wet the night before.? Not too bright.? Look at the guy he 
looks like a dunce.? Them guys are expendable, a dime a dozen.
As far as I know you need a blasting cap for PTEN, I could
be wrong.? How come he did not scream in pain as his groin was on
fire?? What happened to the well dressed man who helped him get
on the plane without a passport?? Strange too that another guy was
filming him from the start.? You don't see too may passengers taking
pictures of people in the plane.? It is so they can make it harder to 
fly.? Soon you may need a fly permit just like you do a passport.? I 
know sounds crazy.? Could you imagine what Wild Bill Hickcock 
or Davey Crockett would say if they told him he needed a permit to 
carry a guy and another one to go hunting and another one to go 
fishing and another one to drive a stage coach and...OK I'm done.

If you do not like the NWO talk to your worker and they will send you
to a re-education camp - for free too.? You'll come out loving them.? 
Big Brother is here and has been here.? They did it so slick and in 
the open that nobody saw it and most still don't know.? Don't say 
nothing it will ruin their day.

Be coo JZ,

?- JIM



--- On Tue, 12/29/09, jolazopa at mac.com <jolazopa at mac.com> wrote:

From: jolazopa at mac.com <jolazopa at mac.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] O.T. Yahoo Sells All Its Users Private Email Contents to U.S.
To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 12:19 PM

thats why yahoo stinks!!!!!!!! period!!!! get g mail or mac.com or rr.com ?ceate new idenitys ,get a track phone and a po box or make something up!!!!!ome on people ,thats the same as face book or my space orlindle or any of that stuff craigs list every one better cancel every thing they got and crearound that was in wired magazine, how to dissapearate new idenity!!!!its big brother out there !!start fresh!!!! get a new hard drive!!! remember that story?????? i,l dig it up again!!!! JOLAZOPA?
On Dec 29, 2009, at 10:07 AM, Jim Hadey wrote:

Hi People,

Would you believe that Ya sells your private e-mail. I wonder
if cheating husbands and wives and all they talk about are
for sale.? I wonder if a lawyer could buy the data of his
clients spouse's account?? How about...? - you fill in the blank.

Best to all,
? - JIM 

      
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Message: 59
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:10:07 -0500
From: Lois Watts <ptnany at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] O.T. Yahoo Sells All Its Users Private Email
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I'm getting way too many e-mails from these people!  How do I lessen it?  I
just got the book!  It looks good.  Thank you Joey!  You're a dear!  Love,

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Wish I had a phantom.com address...
>
> Not that that would stop a subpoena but I definitely would trust a
> subversive over a corporation.
>
> Matt
>
> jolazopa at mac.com wrote:
>
> thats why yahoo stinks!!!!!!!! period!!!! get g mail or mac.com or rr.com ceate new idenitys ,get a track phone and a po box or make something
> up!!!!!ome on people ,thats the same as face book or my space orlindle or
> any of that stuff craigs list every one better cancel every thing they got
> and crearound that was in wired magazine, how to dissapearate new
> idenity!!!!its big brother out there !!start fresh!!!! get a new hard
> drive!!! remember that story?????? i,l dig it up again!!!! JOLAZOPA
>  On Dec 29, 2009, at 10:07 AM, Jim Hadey wrote:
>
>
> Hi People,
>
> Would you believe that Ya sells your private e-mail. I wonder
> if cheating husbands and wives and all they talk about are
> for sale.  I wonder if a lawyer could buy the data of his
> clients spouse's account?  How about...  - you fill in the blank.
>
> Best to all,
>   - JIM
>
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Message: 60
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:38:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Jenks <chris at jenks.us>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] O.T. Yahoo Sells All Its Users Private Email
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   After reading the reddit comments about this article, the concensus 
seems to be that the leaked document is about Yahoo's fees for the labor 
of supplying records requested with a subpoena. Since all companies have 
to comply with a subpoena, this really doesn't mean anything. I would 
worry more about companies like AT&T that have been caught actively 
intercepting communications and providing them regularly and illegally to 
the feds. Also, since carnivore is well known, and should intercept any 
data that goes to or from Yahoo's US-based servers, then theoretically the 
US government shouldn't need anything from Yahoo - except when it goes 
over an encrypted (ssl) connection.
   My advice, if people need privacy, is to look into safe-mail.net with 
PGP for email and tor for web browsing. Or just use the library and a fake 
name.

   Chris

On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Jim Hadey wrote:

> 
> Hi People,
> 
> Would you believe that Ya sells your private e-mail. I wonder
> if cheating husbands and wives and all they talk about are
> for sale.? I wonder if a lawyer could buy the data of his
> clients spouse's account?? How about...? - you fill in the blank.
> 
> Best to all,
> ? - JIM
> 
> 
>

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Message: 61
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:05:04 -0600
From: robertj <BigDog at TeraDog.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Czech Republic officially quantifying status as
    one of European Union's most lenient
Message-ID: <4B3A6F00.1010309 at TeraDog.com>
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A baby-step in the right direction?

"If a person possess drugs for their own use, or is a drug addict and 
needs his daily dose, the prosecution of such a person does not solve 
the drug-abuse problem as a whole."  ~Hammer

"D'oh!"  ~Homer

http://praguepost.com/news/3194-new-drug-guidelines-are-europes-most-liberal.html

robertj


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Message: 62
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:49:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Jim Hadey <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] O.T. Yahoo Sells All Its Users Private Email
    Contents to U.S.
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Hi Matt,

Check this out at 5:44PM EST

Yahoo Issues Takedown Notice for Spying Price List | Threat Level ...Yahoo
isn't happy that a detailed menu of the spying services it provides law
enforcement agencies has leaked onto the web. Shortly after Threat
Level.
www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/12/yahoo-spy-prices/ - Cached

Check the date.? And they say government workers are slow.

? - JIM


--- On Tue, 12/29/09, Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] O.T. Yahoo Sells All Its Users Private Email Contents to U.S.
To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 12:55 PM




  
Here is the actual policy with their prices for law enforcement to buy
the info, from which I quote "Contents of subscriber accounts,
including email: approx. $30-$40 per user". Weak, weak sauce.



http://cryptome.org/isp-spy/yahoo-spy.pdf



Matt



Jim Hadey wrote:

  
    
      
        

Hi People,

        

Would you believe that Ya sells your private e-mail. I wonder

if cheating husbands and wives and all they talk about are

for sale.? I wonder if a lawyer could buy the data of his

clients spouse's account?? How about...? - you fill in the blank.

        

Best to all,

? - JIM 

        
      
    
  
  

  

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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 03:05:55 +0200
From: Elina <millamugzu at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] plans for lowering the sub
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I really want to write this down, as I think I will commit to it  
better. Rather than just think in my own head, and do nothing for  
lowering a dose. It does depend on how this goes what I will do after,  
but hey, now small goals first.
So tomorrow morning I will start to lower my dosage from 10 to 8. Then  
(of course according to how I feel) every 6 to 8 days (if I feel  
really crappy i have to make it max. 14 days) 2 more mg less.  I am  
doing this after 7 years on pubre. But also I do bear in mind that my  
stable dosing for the longest times these 7 years have been either  
26mg or 16mg. Yes we have had very big doses here in use at some point.

Then PAWS, wtf is that ? Yes, I am in a pubre program since years and  
yeas I thought I know pretty much of this substance, but now I learn  
that "Once this severe fatigue stage is over, it is usually followed  
by the PAWS. Which in the case of buprenorphine/sub wd's ... PAWS is  
the worst part of them all.". No you must be joking. I did not need  
any extra trouble with this detox :D Have to laugh cuz otherwise i  
just might cry.

So my plan and also what was discussed with a provider is that i lower  
my dose as much as i can. I feel a lot better of realizing that it is  
only up to me this whole thing. I can be on 2mg in a month or a two in  
case I want to. Never before have I gone this far in thinking of  
quitting. In my case it is not even the withdrawal I am so scared of  
(even of course I am, what I have to come will probably be my  
severest, except my overall and physical health is definitely the best  
then again compared to the times ages ago) but it is more the fact  
that will I stay off this time! Even after so many years in  
substitution you can most probably relapse. And that would be  
something ridiculous. This is where the iboga comes in for me. At  
least here. It gives me some sense of security that if I just do the  
job, it will give me a bit help so the job will not go in vain.

BTW, I did not get that Rhodeola Rosea yet from iherb as there are 3  
packages that I am waiting still after like 10 days. They might be  
stuck in the customs. I feel that I need it cause this PAWS. -? :D In  
case any other herbalism, I am happy get adviced. I have stopped  
having any hard chemicals in my meds, food, vitamins, hygien stuff,  
all (except pubre) since about 6 months ago but in case i have to  
resort to those (in more of my meds) I am not going to bee too hippy  
about it. ;)
It is just that I feel 10x better without bentzos. Thank you for being  
supportive.

eLiNa



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Message: 64
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 03:22:44 +0200
From: Elina <millamugzu at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] PAWS
Message-ID: <F1FC4617-0CCF-42DE-90B8-162568834BD3 at gmail.com>
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Ok i get what is ment by it and remember having that. Sorry for asking  
before googling myself. Sounds a bit harsh, too. Oh I wish I never had  
gone to subs.
I think that having thought and read about withdrawal for few a hours  
now I begin to sense those uncomfortable spikes in my legs and arm  
muscles as well. Power of the mind is incredible. Need to change my  
thoughts pretty fast. Good night. - eLina \o/



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Message: 65
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 02:15:23 +0200
From: Elina <ibogamail76 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] GABA
Message-ID: <2FD45D57-D3B7-46C1-B957-B0B800168449 at gmail.com>
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Has anyone tried GABA to alleviate the tapering ?
I got mine today and it seems to work super well. So just in case,  
check it out.

E



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Message: 66
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:52:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Hill <senacomhill at yahoo.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] <no subject>
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Matt, 

I did in fact mean Matt Z....Mike




________________________________
From: Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Tue, December 29, 2009 10:54:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] <no subject>

I believe you mean Matt Z.

Matt


Michael Hill wrote: 
> 
>I'm right outside nyc, contact matt s, toronto ibogaine, closest
>to nyc and in my very recent experience an outstanding result...Mike
>
>
>
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>To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
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>29, 2009 4:05:58 AM
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>>I am seeking guidance asap. I am located in nyc. 
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Message: 67
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:28:50 -0800
From: James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] plans for lowering the sub
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You know it's best to split your dose in half and take it morning and
evening.. Then lower the evening dose, then when you are ready lower
the morning dose.. Rotate this schedule until your goal is
acomplished.  The body accepts this with less shock :)

On 12/28/09, Elina <millamugzu at gmail.com> wrote:
> I really want to write this down, as I think I will commit to it
> better. Rather than just think in my own head, and do nothing for
> lowering a dose. It does depend on how this goes what I will do after,
> but hey, now small goals first.
> So tomorrow morning I will start to lower my dosage from 10 to 8. Then
> (of course according to how I feel) every 6 to 8 days (if I feel
> really crappy i have to make it max. 14 days) 2 more mg less.  I am
> doing this after 7 years on pubre. But also I do bear in mind that my
> stable dosing for the longest times these 7 years have been either
> 26mg or 16mg. Yes we have had very big doses here in use at some point.
>
> Then PAWS, wtf is that ? Yes, I am in a pubre program since years and
> yeas I thought I know pretty much of this substance, but now I learn
> that "Once this severe fatigue stage is over, it is usually followed
> by the PAWS. Which in the case of buprenorphine/sub wd's ... PAWS is
> the worst part of them all.". No you must be joking. I did not need
> any extra trouble with this detox :D Have to laugh cuz otherwise i
> just might cry.
>
> So my plan and also what was discussed with a provider is that i lower
> my dose as much as i can. I feel a lot better of realizing that it is
> only up to me this whole thing. I can be on 2mg in a month or a two in
> case I want to. Never before have I gone this far in thinking of
> quitting. In my case it is not even the withdrawal I am so scared of
> (even of course I am, what I have to come will probably be my
> severest, except my overall and physical health is definitely the best
> then again compared to the times ages ago) but it is more the fact
> that will I stay off this time! Even after so many years in
> substitution you can most probably relapse. And that would be
> something ridiculous. This is where the iboga comes in for me. At
> least here. It gives me some sense of security that if I just do the
> job, it will give me a bit help so the job will not go in vain.
>
> BTW, I did not get that Rhodeola Rosea yet from iherb as there are 3
> packages that I am waiting still after like 10 days. They might be
> stuck in the customs. I feel that I need it cause this PAWS. -? :D In
> case any other herbalism, I am happy get adviced. I have stopped
> having any hard chemicals in my meds, food, vitamins, hygien stuff,
> all (except pubre) since about 6 months ago but in case i have to
> resort to those (in more of my meds) I am not going to bee too hippy
> about it. ;)
> It is just that I feel 10x better without bentzos. Thank you for being
> supportive.
>
> eLiNa
>
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Message: 68
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:32:32 -0800
From: James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] GABA
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Maybe try DLPA too.. Its said to slow down the breakdown of
endorphins..  This might be useful when tapering and afterwards.

On 12/29/09, Elina <ibogamail76 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Has anyone tried GABA to alleviate the tapering ?
> I got mine today and it seems to work super well. So just in case,
> check it out.
>
> E
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Message: 69
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 02:46:11 +0000
From: Krista Vaughan <krista.vaughan at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] O.T. Yahoo Sells All Its Users Private Email
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The ibogaine list gets really busy sometimes, though this month has been a
really good busy, which is almost totally on-topic, informative and fun to
read :-) Thanks everyone for a really great December on the ibogaine list!

To get less email, you can tell it to send you a digest, by going to this
page http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/ibogaine and picking digest
mode. This makes the list send only one very big message for each day,
instead of the sometimes hundred or more ;-)

Happy holidays and love to everyone!

KV

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Lois Watts <ptnany at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm getting way too many e-mails from these people!  How do I lessen it?  I
> just got the book!  It looks good.  Thank you Joey!  You're a dear!  Love,
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  Wish I had a phantom.com address...
>>
>> Not that that would stop a subpoena but I definitely would trust a
>> subversive over a corporation.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> jolazopa at mac.com wrote:
>>
>> thats why yahoo stinks!!!!!!!! period!!!! get g mail or mac.com or rr.com ceate new idenitys ,get a track phone and a po box or make something
>> up!!!!!ome on people ,thats the same as face book or my space orlindle or
>> any of that stuff craigs list every one better cancel every thing they got
>> and crearound that was in wired magazine, how to dissapearate new
>> idenity!!!!its big brother out there !!start fresh!!!! get a new hard
>> drive!!! remember that story?????? i,l dig it up again!!!! JOLAZOPA
>>  On Dec 29, 2009, at 10:07 AM, Jim Hadey wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi People,
>>
>> Would you believe that Ya sells your private e-mail. I wonder
>> if cheating husbands and wives and all they talk about are
>> for sale.  I wonder if a lawyer could buy the data of his
>> clients spouse's account?  How about...  - you fill in the blank.
>>
>> Best to all,
>>   - JIM
>>
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Message: 70
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:51:51 -0800
From: James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] plans for lowering the sub
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A friend of mine used this with good results but I have no experience
with it myself...

Nigella Sativa Oil for Opiate dependece/withdrawal

Google it!

On 12/29/09, James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com> wrote:
> You know it's best to split your dose in half and take it morning and
> evening.. Then lower the evening dose, then when you are ready lower
> the morning dose.. Rotate this schedule until your goal is
> acomplished.  The body accepts this with less shock :)
>
> On 12/28/09, Elina <millamugzu at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I really want to write this down, as I think I will commit to it
>> better. Rather than just think in my own head, and do nothing for
>> lowering a dose. It does depend on how this goes what I will do after,
>> but hey, now small goals first.
>> So tomorrow morning I will start to lower my dosage from 10 to 8. Then
>> (of course according to how I feel) every 6 to 8 days (if I feel
>> really crappy i have to make it max. 14 days) 2 more mg less.  I am
>> doing this after 7 years on pubre. But also I do bear in mind that my
>> stable dosing for the longest times these 7 years have been either
>> 26mg or 16mg. Yes we have had very big doses here in use at some point.
>>
>> Then PAWS, wtf is that ? Yes, I am in a pubre program since years and
>> yeas I thought I know pretty much of this substance, but now I learn
>> that "Once this severe fatigue stage is over, it is usually followed
>> by the PAWS. Which in the case of buprenorphine/sub wd's ... PAWS is
>> the worst part of them all.". No you must be joking. I did not need
>> any extra trouble with this detox :D Have to laugh cuz otherwise i
>> just might cry.
>>
>> So my plan and also what was discussed with a provider is that i lower
>> my dose as much as i can. I feel a lot better of realizing that it is
>> only up to me this whole thing. I can be on 2mg in a month or a two in
>> case I want to. Never before have I gone this far in thinking of
>> quitting. In my case it is not even the withdrawal I am so scared of
>> (even of course I am, what I have to come will probably be my
>> severest, except my overall and physical health is definitely the best
>> then again compared to the times ages ago) but it is more the fact
>> that will I stay off this time! Even after so many years in
>> substitution you can most probably relapse. And that would be
>> something ridiculous. This is where the iboga comes in for me. At
>> least here. It gives me some sense of security that if I just do the
>> job, it will give me a bit help so the job will not go in vain.
>>
>> BTW, I did not get that Rhodeola Rosea yet from iherb as there are 3
>> packages that I am waiting still after like 10 days. They might be
>> stuck in the customs. I feel that I need it cause this PAWS. -? :D In
>> case any other herbalism, I am happy get adviced. I have stopped
>> having any hard chemicals in my meds, food, vitamins, hygien stuff,
>> all (except pubre) since about 6 months ago but in case i have to
>> resort to those (in more of my meds) I am not going to bee too hippy
>> about it. ;)
>> It is just that I feel 10x better without bentzos. Thank you for being
>> supportive.
>>
>> eLiNa
>>
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:29:42 -0600
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Message: 72
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:44:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Hill <senacomhill at yahoo.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] GABA
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I'm pleased to hear it works for you as research seems to indicate orally taken GABA has difficulty crossing the blood brain barrier:

http://naturalmedicine.suite101.com/article.cfm/why_gaba_supplements_dont_work_for_anxiety

Not that this site is the authority and it does seem to work better for some...M




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From: Elina <ibogamail76 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Tue, December 29, 2009 7:15:23 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] GABA

Has anyone tried GABA to alleviate the tapering ?
I got mine today and it seems to work super well. So just in case, check it out.

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Message: 73
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:59:07 -0700
From: "Edward A. Weissbard" <edwardw at mtciep.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] GABA
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I've always wondered if taking a GABA supplement during heavy alcohol 
withdrawal would help with the immense anxiety and emotional discomfort 
I couldn't seem to shake until after a few day's later.......the mental 
pain seems to be more memorable now...which is probably a positive force 
now.

___________________
Edward
edwardw at mtciep.com




On 12/29/2009 7:44 PM, Michael Hill wrote:
> I'm pleased to hear it works for you as research seems to indicate 
> orally taken GABA has difficulty crossing the blood brain barrier:
>
> http://naturalmedicine.suite101.com/article.cfm/why_gaba_supplements_dont_work_for_anxiety
>
> Not that this site is the authority and it does seem to work better 
> for some...M
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Elina <ibogamail76 at gmail.com>
> *To:* The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> *Sent:* Tue, December 29, 2009 7:15:23 PM
> *Subject:* [Ibogaine] GABA
>
> Has anyone tried GABA to alleviate the tapering ?
> I got mine today and it seems to work super well. So just in case, 
> check it out.
>
> E
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Message: 74
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:40:41 -0600
From: Jeremy Spence <jlspence12 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] GABA
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GABA works.

But it's highly acid on the gut, it will male u vomit.

It's not a fun sub.

It does how "help" magic????
NO!
Xanax is easier on my gut, and my IC(rare bladder disease-in men  
anyway..., women it's a lot more common, it's not across the board  
with how bad it is....some cases are worse some or easier., but that's  
with "any" disease!!!
Use your brain poeple!!
Quit reading what's in the US media!!
90%
Is 90% over made bull shit.


On Dec 29, 2009, at 10:59 PM, "Edward A. Weissbard"  
<edwardw at mtciep.com> wrote:

> I've always wondered if taking a GABA supplement during heavy  
> alcohol withdrawal would help with the immense anxiety and emotional  
> discomfort I couldn't seem to shake until after a few day's  
> later.......the mental pain seems to be more memorable now...which  
> is probably a positive force now.
>
> ___________________
> Edward
> edwardw at mtciep.com
>
>
>
>
> On 12/29/2009 7:44 PM, Michael Hill wrote:
>> I'm pleased to hear it works for you as research seems to indicate  
>> orally taken GABA has difficulty crossing the blood brain barrier:
>>
>> http://naturalmedicine.suite101.com/article.cfm/why_gaba_supplements_dont_work_for_anxiety
>>
>> Not that this site is the authority and it does seem to work better  
>> for some...M
>>
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>> *To:* The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> *Sent:* Tue, December 29, 2009 7:15:23 PM
>> *Subject:* [Ibogaine] GABA
>>
>> Has anyone tried GABA to alleviate the tapering ?
>> I got mine today and it seems to work super well. So just in case,  
>> check it out.
>>
>> E
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Message: 75
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:08:08 +0000
From: Pinky Green <pinkyzgreen at gmail.com>
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Patrick call your brother.
Message-ID:
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Patrick you should call your brother, despite being barred from using
a computer for the next 100+ years, he's writing on your facebook
page.

Whoever you have for parents, they do seem to have the gene pool which
produces very tall, very smart, pumped up, viking like people... who
are stone cold sociopaths.

I've much respect for your life Patrick, both of your minds, but I am
really curious do you two have parents? You must have, the Wired story
says your mom paid for your brother's apartment in NYC after the
Secret Service and FBI raided him and he lost his $200,000 a year job
working on wall street. So they're rich. How do they feel when they
see their kids plastered all over the world like this? Do they care,
did they ever care, is whatever they did to you as kids the reason you
became the grown ups you became? My parents would want to commit
suicide if they ever saw their children like this.

Holiday greetings, love and prison cells!

Former Morgan Stanley Coder Gets 2 Years in Prison for TJX Hack

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/12/stephen-watt/

The two great friends talked every day and shared information about
all of their exploits ? sexual, narcotic and hacking ? according to
prosecutors. Now another thing they?ll have to share information about
is their experience in federal prison.

While accused TJX hacker kingpin Albert Gonzalez awaits a possible
sentence of 17 years or more in prison, one of his best friends and
accomplices was sentenced on Tuesday in Boston to two years for his
role in what the feds are calling ?the largest identity theft in our
nation?s history.?

Stephen Watt, a 25-year-old former Morgan Stanley software engineer,
pleaded guilty last December to creating a custom sniffing program
dubbed ?blabla? that Gonzalez and other hackers used to siphon
millions of credit and debit card numbers from TJX?s network. The
breach cost TJX $200 million, according to its 2009 SEC filing.

Watt?s lawyer had sought a sentence of probation.

But instead the 7-foot-tall coder who once had a bright professional
future got two years in federal prison and three years of probation. A
spokeswoman for the U.S. attorney?s office in Massachusetts said the
judge also ordered Watt to pay restitution to TJX in the amount of
$171.5 million.

According to a source familiar with the case, U.S. District Judge
Nancy Gertner indicated that her sentence was based in part on the
enormity of the harm that was caused to the public by the crime and
Watt?s undeniable assistance in causing that harm.

?She believed in the end that a probation sentence would not be
sufficient to satisfy the general deterrence to prevent harm to the
public,? the source said.

His lawyer, Michael Farkas, declined to comment on the sentencing.

Farkas asserted in his court filings that Watt was a minor and
peripheral player in the credit card theft ring that Gonzalez dubbed
?Operation Get Rich or Die Tryin? that began in 2005 to breach
numerous vulnerable national retailers and card processors.

Watt, who graduated from high school at 16 with a 4.37 grade point
average, was driven by intellectual curiosity and friendship, not
greed, his lawyer said, and had no idea his program would be put to
criminal use.

Prosecutors never alleged that Watt received money for the software he
wrote, or directly profited from the hacks. But they brandished more
than 300 pages of chats the two friends exchanged that belied Watt?s
stated ignorance.

?You have got to convince typedeaf to do some work for me,? Gonzalez
wrote Watt in one of them, referencing the handle of another hacker.
?If he was able to hack some euro dumps we can make a fortune. I
hacked a place and took ~30k euro dumps and this last week I made ~11k
from only selling ~968 dumps.? (Dumps are the carding underground?s
term for credit or debit card magstripe data, including account
numbers.)

As Gonzalez and his accomplices hacked target after target, he sent
Watt links to news stories describing a tidal wave of debit fraud
spreading around the world.

Authorities found Watt?s customized code stored on a server Gonzalez
leased in Latvia, as well as 16.3 million stolen card numbers. Another
27.5 million stolen numbers were found on a server in Ukraine.

They said Watt was a witness to the ill-gotten gains his code
produced. He attended a $75,000 birthday party Gonzalez threw for
himself, and discussed launching a nightclub with Gonzalez?s backing.
Gonzalez worried that because his money was mostly in cash, it would
draw suspicion to the club. He offered to produce a check for $300,000
for Watt to make the transaction appear more legitimate.

Watt and Gonzalez met online when Watt was still in high school and
bonded over a shared fascination with computers. While still a teen,
Farkas says, Watt worked for Florida software firm Identitech. He was
hired by Morgan Stanley in New York 2004 earning $90,000 as a software
engineer.

After he moved to New York, he began experimenting with drugs and
frequenting clubs. He left Morgan Stanley in 2007 for a higher-paying
job at Imagine Software, developing real-time trading programs for
financial firms, earning about $130,000.

This is where he was working on Aug. 13, 2008, when authorities
swooped in to search the premises. Watt, who is married, was fired and
is now banned from working in the securities industry.

Currently unemployed, his lawyer says he?s been living in an apartment
his mother paid off while awaiting sentencing.

?Watt will have to start over, and hope that his skills not only will
land him on his feet,? Farkas wrote in a court filing earlier this
year, ?but that they will do so in a field that is at least somewhat
as financially promising as the career that he has lost.?
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From jimhadey3 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  2 14:58:42 2010
From: jimhadey3 at yahoo.com (Jim Hadey)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 11:58:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga Daily Booster
In-Reply-To: <820494.3461.qm@web113108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <895972.33666.qm@web51305.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Hi JJ,

That method is usually used to cut down.? If you did a good
detox you really do not need to take it everyday.? Just take a
booster if ya get the cravings.? If you were to take a 1/4
gram as a booster you would not need a sitter or anything
like that (just stay home) but if your using you may have 
problems.? As you know Ibo makes the opiates stronger 
so one day you will be OK and a day or two later feel rough.? 

If your still using opiates I have used the HCL to help me detox, I
used a small #5 cap filled with the HCL, I used 10 or 15 mg
for about 5 days then off for 3 or 4.? I only did it for a week 
or two.? I can't remember exactly but I cut down very quick
then knew when to stop I did if for about two weeks, sorry
I can not be more accurate.? 

Please get the advice of others on the list.
I am sure some will tell us of their experience.
This is just what I did - it helped me cut down.? But take into 
consideration any info others may have.? Also, are you
thinking of taking it every day on and off for a month or
six months?? You may want to Goggle Ibogaine brain damage 
articles mention that it MAY cause brain damage in large
and/or repeated doses.? So if you planning on taking it
for a 6 months or a couple of years you have some data to help
you make your decision.

All in all I would say get a good detox, get 100% free
and save some for the cravings, again that's just me.

Best to ya,

? - JIM

--- On Sat, 1/2/10, J J <jlany123 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: J J <jlany123 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga Daily Booster
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 1:54 PM

I read someplace that one maintainence method was to take a very small amount of Iboga on a daily basis for 20 days and then take 10 days off and then do again and repeat. 

Can you repeat indefinitely?
Would it be best to do Iboga TA or Iboga HCL? for a daily booster?
What would be the recommend amount per day for a regular on going daily booster.







      
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From junkboy64 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 15:06:43 2010
From: junkboy64 at gmail.com (junkboy)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 13:06:43 -0700
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
In-Reply-To: <113691.11999.qm@web113116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <113691.11999.qm@web113116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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it helped me quite a bit in that regard... id go with ta or hcl for that..
a flood dose, not just a teeny every day...




On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 11:52 AM, J J <jlany123 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>  Do you think Iboga would be helpful if your a junk food eater. It may
> sound trivial but it is a problem.
>
> I would like to improve my diet but it is like I'm addicted to junk food.
>
> I never really much liked fruits and vegetables. I wonder if you went in
> with the attention to eat healthier and to be more disciplined in general if
> Iboga would help??
>
> Do you think Iboga HCL or Iboga TA would be better in this instance?
>
> Thanks
>
>
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From junkboy64 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 15:29:13 2010
From: junkboy64 at gmail.com (junkboy)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 13:29:13 -0700
Subject: [Ibogaine] New Iboga TA
In-Reply-To: <151251.92496.qm@web113102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.761.1262156920.17844.ibogaine@mindvox.com>
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i dont know about two different TA
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From junkboy64 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 15:29:49 2010
From: junkboy64 at gmail.com (junkboy)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 13:29:49 -0700
Subject: [Ibogaine] New Iboga TA
In-Reply-To: <9868fdb31001021229s7da1bb88g99e91f751723a9d0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.761.1262156920.17844.ibogaine@mindvox.com>
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i dont know about two different TA extracts...

the only one i know if is about 40% as strong as hcl...
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From masterhermesbathory at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 20:45:36 2010
From: masterhermesbathory at gmail.com (Matthew Zielinski)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 20:45:36 -0500
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga Daily Booster
In-Reply-To: <9868fdb31001021137v59720aafl9ea4a7cda4efb68e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <820494.3461.qm@web113108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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If you continue with the rootbark after the treatment and are very
consistent with it, the sucess rate of the treatment increases dramatically

Matt

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 2:37 PM, junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com> wrote:

> i would use iboga (root bark) not extract or hcl...
>
>
>
>
>   On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 11:54 AM, J J <jlany123 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>    I read someplace that one maintainence method was to take a very small
>> amount of Iboga on a daily basis for 20 days and then take 10 days off and
>> then do again and repeat.
>>
>> Can you repeat indefinitely?
>> Would it be best to do Iboga TA or Iboga HCL? for a daily booster?
>> What would be the recommend amount per day for a regular on going daily
>> booster.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  2 20:58:52 2010
From: helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com (Helpful Hopeful)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:58:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga Daily Booster
In-Reply-To: <7498a6cc1001021745k6dce14aen521b1bd1092edbd3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <343602.26709.qm@web55908.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

How much is good for a booster after a flood treatment?  I acquired enough for a full flood dose of the freebase, and probably enough for another full dose, and was going to extract that before trying just in case, but if the first dose works well, I was wondering what would be a good booster as needed?

HH

--- On Sat, 1/2/10, Matthew Zielinski <masterhermesbathory at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Matthew Zielinski <masterhermesbathory at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga Daily Booster
> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 5:45 PM
> If you continue with the rootbark
> after the treatment and are very consistent with it, the
> sucess rate of the treatment increases dramatically
> ?
> Matt
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 2:37 PM,
> junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> i would use iboga (root bark) not extract or hcl...
> 
> ?
> 
> 
> ?
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 11:54 AM, J J <jlany123 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I read someplace that one maintainence method was to
> take a very small amount of Iboga on a daily basis for 20
> days and then take 10 days off and then do again and repeat.
> 
> 
> Can you repeat indefinitely?
> Would it be best to do Iboga TA or Iboga HCL? for a daily
> booster?
> 
> What would be the recommend amount per day for a regular on
> going daily booster.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From junkboy64 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 21:22:27 2010
From: junkboy64 at gmail.com (junkboy)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 19:22:27 -0700
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga Daily Booster
In-Reply-To: <343602.26709.qm@web55908.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <7498a6cc1001021745k6dce14aen521b1bd1092edbd3@mail.gmail.com>
	<343602.26709.qm@web55908.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
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a gram of the extract would be a good booster that would help you get rid of
any cravings you would have 4-6 months after your flood dose..




On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Helpful Hopeful
<helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com>wrote:

> How much is good for a booster after a flood treatment?  I acquired enough
> for a full flood dose of the freebase, and probably enough for another full
> dose, and was going to extract that before trying just in case, but if the
> first dose works well, I was wondering what would be a good booster as
> needed?
>
> HH
>
> --- On Sat, 1/2/10, Matthew Zielinski <masterhermesbathory at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Matthew Zielinski <masterhermesbathory at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga Daily Booster
> > To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 5:45 PM
> > If you continue with the rootbark
> > after the treatment and are very consistent with it, the
> > sucess rate of the treatment increases dramatically
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 2:37 PM,
> > junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > i would use iboga (root bark) not extract or hcl...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 11:54 AM, J J <jlany123 at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I read someplace that one maintainence method was to
> > take a very small amount of Iboga on a daily basis for 20
> > days and then take 10 days off and then do again and repeat.
> >
> >
> > Can you repeat indefinitely?
> > Would it be best to do Iboga TA or Iboga HCL? for a daily
> > booster?
> >
> > What would be the recommend amount per day for a regular on
> > going daily booster.
> >
> >
> >
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From xxmikkixx at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 21:42:26 2010
From: xxmikkixx at gmail.com (Mikki Lynne)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 21:42:26 -0500
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga Daily Booster
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Ok then, out of curiosity... Would this short- term "maintenence"  
method, after initial flood dose, maybe be a way for a more successful  
bup detox?Keep the PAWS at bay?

On Jan 2, 2010, at 8:45 PM, Matthew Zielinski <masterhermesbathory at gmail.com 
 > wrote:

> If you continue with the rootbark after the treatment and are very  
> consistent with it, the sucess rate of the treatment increases  
> dramatically
>
> Matt
>
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 2:37 PM, junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com> wrote:
> i would use iboga (root bark) not extract or hcl...
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 11:54 AM, J J <jlany123 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I read someplace that one maintainence method was to take a very  
> small amount of Iboga on a daily basis for 20 days and then take 10  
> days off and then do again and repeat.
>
> Can you repeat indefinitely?
> Would it be best to do Iboga TA or Iboga HCL? for a daily booster?
> What would be the recommend amount per day for a regular on going  
> daily booster.
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From psychonaut101 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 21:55:24 2010
From: psychonaut101 at gmail.com (James Forristal)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 18:55:24 -0800
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga Daily Booster
In-Reply-To: <9868fdb31001021822m6bd82ce0oadec6e165fdeb406@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7498a6cc1001021745k6dce14aen521b1bd1092edbd3@mail.gmail.com>
	<343602.26709.qm@web55908.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<9868fdb31001021822m6bd82ce0oadec6e165fdeb406@mail.gmail.com>
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Off of the TA I'm used to I'm ataxic and experiencing visual
distortions around 4 or 500mgs.. A gram would be overkill hehehe..
Maybe I'm just a sensitive guy.. But I do tend to see the same
experience in other individuals!

On 1/2/10, junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com> wrote:
> a gram of the extract would be a good booster that would help you get rid of
> any cravings you would have 4-6 months after your flood dose..
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Helpful Hopeful
> <helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> How much is good for a booster after a flood treatment?  I acquired enough
>> for a full flood dose of the freebase, and probably enough for another
>> full
>> dose, and was going to extract that before trying just in case, but if the
>> first dose works well, I was wondering what would be a good booster as
>> needed?
>>
>> HH
>>
>> --- On Sat, 1/2/10, Matthew Zielinski <masterhermesbathory at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > From: Matthew Zielinski <masterhermesbathory at gmail.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga Daily Booster
>> > To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> > Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 5:45 PM
>> > If you continue with the rootbark
>> > after the treatment and are very consistent with it, the
>> > sucess rate of the treatment increases dramatically
>> >
>> > Matt
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 2:37 PM,
>> > junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > i would use iboga (root bark) not extract or hcl...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 11:54 AM, J J <jlany123 at yahoo.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I read someplace that one maintainence method was to
>> > take a very small amount of Iboga on a daily basis for 20
>> > days and then take 10 days off and then do again and repeat.
>> >
>> >
>> > Can you repeat indefinitely?
>> > Would it be best to do Iboga TA or Iboga HCL? for a daily
>> > booster?
>> >
>> > What would be the recommend amount per day for a regular on
>> > going daily booster.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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From hslotsof at phantom.com  Sat Jan  2 22:10:11 2010
From: hslotsof at phantom.com (Howard Lotsof)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:10:11 -0500
Subject: [Ibogaine] What's New
Message-ID: <F79CAA2D-44C6-4DFF-B28E-A51A871B5B7B@phantom.com>

http://www.ibogaine.org/whatsnew.html

Presentations now available from the New Mexico conference as well  
as, a hard to get Naranjo paper, the first to report on the  
psychotherapeutic effects of ibogaine.

Howard



From junkboy64 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 23:42:35 2010
From: junkboy64 at gmail.com (junkboy)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 21:42:35 -0700
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga Daily Booster
In-Reply-To: <108a1b7d1001021855u152eadffxd3eccc279763186b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7498a6cc1001021745k6dce14aen521b1bd1092edbd3@mail.gmail.com>
	<343602.26709.qm@web55908.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<9868fdb31001021822m6bd82ce0oadec6e165fdeb406@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <9868fdb31001022042y7b04f531sc2b8d1039c148932@mail.gmail.com>

im not saying a gram every day... id say do the flood dose, and then a gram
as a booster 4-6 months later  when/if you start to get cravings.. that
usually takes care of it...
if you going to do a little each day, id do a lot less... lol.. id recommend
root bark for small doses each day to cut down if thats what your doing...


as for coming off bupe.. you probably would do your flood dose, then the
gram/gram and a half booster several days later with another gram booster
available for 4-6 months later when/if you get cravings...

i found that cravings came back at the 4-6 month mark, but a booster got rid
of them right quick...




On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 7:55 PM, James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Off of the TA I'm used to I'm ataxic and experiencing visual
> distortions around 4 or 500mgs.. A gram would be overkill hehehe..
> Maybe I'm just a sensitive guy.. But I do tend to see the same
> experience in other individuals!
>
> On 1/2/10, junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > a gram of the extract would be a good booster that would help you get rid
> of
> > any cravings you would have 4-6 months after your flood dose..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Helpful Hopeful
> > <helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com>wrote:
> >
> >> How much is good for a booster after a flood treatment?  I acquired
> enough
> >> for a full flood dose of the freebase, and probably enough for another
> >> full
> >> dose, and was going to extract that before trying just in case, but if
> the
> >> first dose works well, I was wondering what would be a good booster as
> >> needed?
> >>
> >> HH
> >>
> >> --- On Sat, 1/2/10, Matthew Zielinski <masterhermesbathory at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > From: Matthew Zielinski <masterhermesbathory at gmail.com>
> >> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga Daily Booster
> >> > To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >> > Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 5:45 PM
> >> > If you continue with the rootbark
> >> > after the treatment and are very consistent with it, the
> >> > sucess rate of the treatment increases dramatically
> >> >
> >> > Matt
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 2:37 PM,
> >> > junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > i would use iboga (root bark) not extract or hcl...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 11:54 AM, J J <jlany123 at yahoo.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I read someplace that one maintainence method was to
> >> > take a very small amount of Iboga on a daily basis for 20
> >> > days and then take 10 days off and then do again and repeat.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Can you repeat indefinitely?
> >> > Would it be best to do Iboga TA or Iboga HCL? for a daily
> >> > booster?
> >> >
> >> > What would be the recommend amount per day for a regular on
> >> > going daily booster.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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From psychonaut101 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 00:36:25 2010
From: psychonaut101 at gmail.com (James Forristal)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 21:36:25 -0800
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga Daily Booster
In-Reply-To: <9868fdb31001022042y7b04f531sc2b8d1039c148932@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7498a6cc1001021745k6dce14aen521b1bd1092edbd3@mail.gmail.com>
	<343602.26709.qm@web55908.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<9868fdb31001021822m6bd82ce0oadec6e165fdeb406@mail.gmail.com>
	<108a1b7d1001021855u152eadffxd3eccc279763186b@mail.gmail.com>
	<9868fdb31001022042y7b04f531sc2b8d1039c148932@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <108a1b7d1001022136n339a0599r88150b01cf0f8406@mail.gmail.com>

Wow sexyful junkboy.. You is a heroic booster doser!  Get them
cravings and put them in their place! :)

On 1/2/10, junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com> wrote:
> im not saying a gram every day... id say do the flood dose, and then a gram
> as a booster 4-6 months later  when/if you start to get cravings.. that
> usually takes care of it...
> if you going to do a little each day, id do a lot less... lol.. id recommend
> root bark for small doses each day to cut down if thats what your doing...
>
>
> as for coming off bupe.. you probably would do your flood dose, then the
> gram/gram and a half booster several days later with another gram booster
> available for 4-6 months later when/if you get cravings...
>
> i found that cravings came back at the 4-6 month mark, but a booster got rid
> of them right quick...
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 7:55 PM, James Forristal
> <psychonaut101 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Off of the TA I'm used to I'm ataxic and experiencing visual
>> distortions around 4 or 500mgs.. A gram would be overkill hehehe..
>> Maybe I'm just a sensitive guy.. But I do tend to see the same
>> experience in other individuals!
>>
>> On 1/2/10, junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > a gram of the extract would be a good booster that would help you get
>> > rid
>> of
>> > any cravings you would have 4-6 months after your flood dose..
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Helpful Hopeful
>> > <helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com>wrote:
>> >
>> >> How much is good for a booster after a flood treatment?  I acquired
>> enough
>> >> for a full flood dose of the freebase, and probably enough for another
>> >> full
>> >> dose, and was going to extract that before trying just in case, but if
>> the
>> >> first dose works well, I was wondering what would be a good booster as
>> >> needed?
>> >>
>> >> HH
>> >>
>> >> --- On Sat, 1/2/10, Matthew Zielinski <masterhermesbathory at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > From: Matthew Zielinski <masterhermesbathory at gmail.com>
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga Daily Booster
>> >> > To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> >> > Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 5:45 PM
>> >> > If you continue with the rootbark
>> >> > after the treatment and are very consistent with it, the
>> >> > sucess rate of the treatment increases dramatically
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 2:37 PM,
>> >> > junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > i would use iboga (root bark) not extract or hcl...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 11:54 AM, J J <jlany123 at yahoo.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I read someplace that one maintainence method was to
>> >> > take a very small amount of Iboga on a daily basis for 20
>> >> > days and then take 10 days off and then do again and repeat.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Can you repeat indefinitely?
>> >> > Would it be best to do Iboga TA or Iboga HCL? for a daily
>> >> > booster?
>> >> >
>> >> > What would be the recommend amount per day for a regular on
>> >> > going daily booster.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
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From masterhermesbathory at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 01:37:17 2010
From: masterhermesbathory at gmail.com (Matthew Zielinski)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 01:37:17 -0500
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga Daily Booster
In-Reply-To: <108a1b7d1001022136n339a0599r88150b01cf0f8406@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7498a6cc1001021745k6dce14aen521b1bd1092edbd3@mail.gmail.com>
	<343602.26709.qm@web55908.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<9868fdb31001021822m6bd82ce0oadec6e165fdeb406@mail.gmail.com>
	<108a1b7d1001021855u152eadffxd3eccc279763186b@mail.gmail.com>
	<9868fdb31001022042y7b04f531sc2b8d1039c148932@mail.gmail.com>
	<108a1b7d1001022136n339a0599r88150b01cf0f8406@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7498a6cc1001022237n45730169xfe47aa65d4c96e4b@mail.gmail.com>

Half a gram to a gram should do the trick.  You will notice the effects are
very noticable when it comes to anti-deppresant values and elimenation of
cravings :-)

Cheers
Matt

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 12:36 AM, James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Wow sexyful junkboy.. You is a heroic booster doser!  Get them
> cravings and put them in their place! :)
>
> On 1/2/10, junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > im not saying a gram every day... id say do the flood dose, and then a
> gram
> > as a booster 4-6 months later  when/if you start to get cravings.. that
> > usually takes care of it...
> > if you going to do a little each day, id do a lot less... lol.. id
> recommend
> > root bark for small doses each day to cut down if thats what your
> doing...
> >
> >
> > as for coming off bupe.. you probably would do your flood dose, then the
> > gram/gram and a half booster several days later with another gram booster
> > available for 4-6 months later when/if you get cravings...
> >
> > i found that cravings came back at the 4-6 month mark, but a booster got
> rid
> > of them right quick...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 7:55 PM, James Forristal
> > <psychonaut101 at gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Off of the TA I'm used to I'm ataxic and experiencing visual
> >> distortions around 4 or 500mgs.. A gram would be overkill hehehe..
> >> Maybe I'm just a sensitive guy.. But I do tend to see the same
> >> experience in other individuals!
> >>
> >> On 1/2/10, junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > a gram of the extract would be a good booster that would help you get
> >> > rid
> >> of
> >> > any cravings you would have 4-6 months after your flood dose..
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Helpful Hopeful
> >> > <helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com>wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> How much is good for a booster after a flood treatment?  I acquired
> >> enough
> >> >> for a full flood dose of the freebase, and probably enough for
> another
> >> >> full
> >> >> dose, and was going to extract that before trying just in case, but
> if
> >> the
> >> >> first dose works well, I was wondering what would be a good booster
> as
> >> >> needed?
> >> >>
> >> >> HH
> >> >>
> >> >> --- On Sat, 1/2/10, Matthew Zielinski <masterhermesbathory at gmail.com
> >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > From: Matthew Zielinski <masterhermesbathory at gmail.com>
> >> >> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga Daily Booster
> >> >> > To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >> >> > Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 5:45 PM
> >> >> > If you continue with the rootbark
> >> >> > after the treatment and are very consistent with it, the
> >> >> > sucess rate of the treatment increases dramatically
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 2:37 PM,
> >> >> > junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > i would use iboga (root bark) not extract or hcl...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 11:54 AM, J J <jlany123 at yahoo.com>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I read someplace that one maintainence method was to
> >> >> > take a very small amount of Iboga on a daily basis for 20
> >> >> > days and then take 10 days off and then do again and repeat.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Can you repeat indefinitely?
> >> >> > Would it be best to do Iboga TA or Iboga HCL? for a daily
> >> >> > booster?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What would be the recommend amount per day for a regular on
> >> >> > going daily booster.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
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From hslotsof at phantom.com  Sun Jan  3 12:54:30 2010
From: hslotsof at phantom.com (Howard Lotsof)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:54:30 -0500
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga Daily Booster
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Matt and Junkyboy,

What form of ibogaine/iboga are you each talking about?

Howard

On Jan 3, 2010, at 1:37 AM, Matthew Zielinski wrote:

> Half a gram to a gram should do the trick.  You will notice the  
> effects are very noticable when it comes to anti-deppresant values  
> and elimenation of cravings :-)
>
> Cheers
> Matt
>
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 12:36 AM, James Forristal  
> <psychonaut101 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Wow sexyful junkboy.. You is a heroic booster doser!  Get them
> cravings and put them in their place! :)
>
> On 1/2/10, junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > im not saying a gram every day... id say do the flood dose, and  
> then a gram
> > as a booster 4-6 months later  when/if you start to get  
> cravings.. that
> > usually takes care of it...
> > if you going to do a little each day, id do a lot less... lol..  
> id recommend
> > root bark for small doses each day to cut down if thats what your  
> doing...
> >
> >
> > as for coming off bupe.. you probably would do your flood dose,  
> then the
> > gram/gram and a half booster several days later with another gram  
> booster
> > available for 4-6 months later when/if you get cravings...
> >
> > i found that cravings came back at the 4-6 month mark, but a  
> booster got rid
> > of them right quick...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 7:55 PM, James Forristal
> > <psychonaut101 at gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Off of the TA I'm used to I'm ataxic and experiencing visual
> >> distortions around 4 or 500mgs.. A gram would be overkill hehehe..
> >> Maybe I'm just a sensitive guy.. But I do tend to see the same
> >> experience in other individuals!
> >>
> >> On 1/2/10, junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > a gram of the extract would be a good booster that would help  
> you get
> >> > rid
> >> of
> >> > any cravings you would have 4-6 months after your flood dose..
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Helpful Hopeful
> >> > <helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com>wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> How much is good for a booster after a flood treatment?  I  
> acquired
> >> enough
> >> >> for a full flood dose of the freebase, and probably enough  
> for another
> >> >> full
> >> >> dose, and was going to extract that before trying just in  
> case, but if
> >> the
> >> >> first dose works well, I was wondering what would be a good  
> booster as
> >> >> needed?
> >> >>
> >> >> HH
> >> >>
> >> >> --- On Sat, 1/2/10, Matthew Zielinski  
> <masterhermesbathory at gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > From: Matthew Zielinski <masterhermesbathory at gmail.com>
> >> >> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga Daily Booster
> >> >> > To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >> >> > Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 5:45 PM
> >> >> > If you continue with the rootbark
> >> >> > after the treatment and are very consistent with it, the
> >> >> > sucess rate of the treatment increases dramatically
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 2:37 PM,
> >> >> > junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > i would use iboga (root bark) not extract or hcl...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 11:54 AM, J J <jlany123 at yahoo.com>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I read someplace that one maintainence method was to
> >> >> > take a very small amount of Iboga on a daily basis for 20
> >> >> > days and then take 10 days off and then do again and repeat.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Can you repeat indefinitely?
> >> >> > Would it be best to do Iboga TA or Iboga HCL? for a daily
> >> >> > booster?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What would be the recommend amount per day for a regular on
> >> >> > going daily booster.
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From helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  3 13:16:32 2010
From: helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com (Helpful Hopeful)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 10:16:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga Daily Booster
In-Reply-To: <899333F9-3A86-49DA-946B-B8D0917CB159@phantom.com>
Message-ID: <440739.90358.qm@web55901.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I did the extraction on 40 g of bark and got 3.4 g of freebase.  I was gonna slowly take it all over a couple hours, to not cause a big shock to my system all at once.  

I think because I swallowed 7 caps of the acetic acid extract at once, it soured my stomach and I threw up the majority of the dose as soon as the caps broke open.  The other 8 capsules of about .4-.5 g of the acetic acid extract was not enough to put me over the edge and give me any visions.

Instead of 10-11 grams of extract, the freebase is 3.4 g or about 7 capsules, which I was going to eat over a couple hours, after a light meal.  I was going to eat maybe two or 3 every 60-90 minutes, this time.  I will be extracting another 28 grams of bark to the freebase again, before taking the first dose, to have on hand just in case.

I think I should do a lot better this time.  Part of the problem was that I waited until I was starting to feel full on withdrawal when I took the ibo, which didn't help with my nausea.  I may try to take a half a g of the freebase in the morning to hold the withdrawal at bay for a bit, we'll see.

Thanks for all the advice, everyone, I really think I will be successful the next try.  Last time a lower dose that I absorbed made me feel a lot safer because I could see how the ibo worked with my body a lot better.  The first time I had full blown visions before I even realized it was hitting me.  I thought I felt a slight tingle and went to lay down, next thing I know, full blown crazy visions, then I threw up a lot, but it wasn't all that bad, and when I came out I definitely wasn't really sick.  Last time was for methadone, but this time, is for poppy pods, so should be a bit easier even..

I'll keep you all updated when I go at it again.

HH

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Howard Lotsof <hslotsof at phantom.com> wrote:

> From: Howard Lotsof <hslotsof at phantom.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga Daily Booster
> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 9:54 AM
> Matt and Junkyboy,
> 
> What form of ibogaine/iboga are you each talking about?
> 
> Howard
> 
> On Jan 3, 2010, at 1:37 AM, Matthew Zielinski wrote:
> 
> > Half a gram to a gram should do the trick.? You
> will notice the effects are very noticable when it comes to
> anti-deppresant values and elimenation of cravings :-)
> > 
> > Cheers
> > Matt
> > 
> > On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 12:36 AM, James Forristal
> <psychonaut101 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Wow sexyful junkboy.. You is a heroic booster
> doser!? Get them
> > cravings and put them in their place! :)
> > 
> > On 1/2/10, junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > im not saying a gram every day... id say do the
> flood dose, and then a gram
> > > as a booster 4-6 months later? when/if you
> start to get cravings.. that
> > > usually takes care of it...
> > > if you going to do a little each day, id do a lot
> less... lol.. id recommend
> > > root bark for small doses each day to cut down if
> thats what your doing...
> > >
> > >
> > > as for coming off bupe.. you probably would do
> your flood dose, then the
> > > gram/gram and a half booster several days later
> with another gram booster
> > > available for 4-6 months later when/if you get
> cravings...
> > >
> > > i found that cravings came back at the 4-6 month
> mark, but a booster got rid
> > > of them right quick...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 7:55 PM, James Forristal
> > > <psychonaut101 at gmail.com>wrote:
> > >
> > >> Off of the TA I'm used to I'm ataxic and
> experiencing visual
> > >> distortions around 4 or 500mgs.. A gram would
> be overkill hehehe..
> > >> Maybe I'm just a sensitive guy.. But I do
> tend to see the same
> > >> experience in other individuals!
> > >>
> > >> On 1/2/10, junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >> > a gram of the extract would be a good
> booster that would help you get
> > >> > rid
> > >> of
> > >> > any cravings you would have 4-6 months
> after your flood dose..
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Helpful
> Hopeful
> > >> > <helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com>wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> How much is good for a booster after
> a flood treatment?? I acquired
> > >> enough
> > >> >> for a full flood dose of the
> freebase, and probably enough for another
> > >> >> full
> > >> >> dose, and was going to extract that
> before trying just in case, but if
> > >> the
> > >> >> first dose works well, I was
> wondering what would be a good booster as
> > >> >> needed?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> HH
> > >> >>
> > >> >> --- On Sat, 1/2/10, Matthew
> Zielinski <masterhermesbathory at gmail.com>
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > From: Matthew Zielinski <masterhermesbathory at gmail.com>
> > >> >> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga
> Daily Booster
> > >> >> > To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > >> >> > Date: Saturday, January 2,
> 2010, 5:45 PM
> > >> >> > If you continue with the
> rootbark
> > >> >> > after the treatment and are
> very consistent with it, the
> > >> >> > sucess rate of the treatment
> increases dramatically
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Matt
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 2:37
> PM,
> > >> >> > junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com>
> > >> >> > wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > i would use iboga (root bark)
> not extract or hcl...
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 11:54
> AM, J J <jlany123 at yahoo.com>
> > >> >> > wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > I read someplace that one
> maintainence method was to
> > >> >> > take a very small amount of
> Iboga on a daily basis for 20
> > >> >> > days and then take 10 days off
> and then do again and repeat.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Can you repeat indefinitely?
> > >> >> > Would it be best to do Iboga TA
> or Iboga HCL? for a daily
> > >> >> > booster?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > What would be the recommend
> amount per day for a regular on
> > >> >> > going daily booster.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
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From junkboy64 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 13:20:18 2010
From: junkboy64 at gmail.com (junkboy)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:20:18 -0700
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga Daily Booster
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im talking about TA extract (figured at 40%) and iboga rootbark...
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From masterhermesbathory at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 14:16:43 2010
From: masterhermesbathory at gmail.com (Matthew Zielinski)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:16:43 -0500
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga Daily Booster
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I was only talking about the root bark...I have no personal experience with
the TA

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 1:20 PM, junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> im talking about TA extract (figured at 40%) and iboga rootbark...
>
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From jimhadey3 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  3 15:00:56 2010
From: jimhadey3 at yahoo.com (Jim Hadey)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:00:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
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Hi JJ,

This is just me and a few other people that I know but not
everyone.? If you want you can use Ibo to change your whole
life.? You can give up alcohol, cigs and I know several
people that gave up junk food or cut down to where it 
was not a problem.? Decide what kind of person you want
to be, maybe like a school teacher, friends dad, your own
mom or dad - someone you respect or you can make one
up.? Then you act like the person you want to be and then
you think like the person you want to be and you become
that person.? Every see a person pass on dessert or take
a tiny sliver of pie or cake, well do that.? If you want to
become more warm and friendly think about it and try it
when you get the chance.? If you want to control your 
temper you mellow yourself out - however you do it you
got to think about it then do it and then you will be like
that.? Of course it takes time depending on how you
want to be.
you 

For me instead of cussing or swearing in traffic or in a line
I tell myself that is no way to act.? Should a person cut in 
front of me it is really is no big deal.? It takes time but you can
do it if you want.? You become the person you want to be.? After
an treatment is a good time to start and maybe with the new 
year also.

It worked for me and a few people who wanted to change.

Hope I helped,

? - JIM


--- On Sat, 1/2/10, J J <jlany123 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: J J <jlany123 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 1:52 PM

Do you think Iboga would be helpful if your a junk food eater. It may sound trivial but it is a problem.

I would like to improve my diet but it is like I'm addicted to junk food. 

I never really much liked fruits and vegetables. I wonder if you went in with the attention to eat healthier and to be more disciplined in general if Iboga would help??

Do you think Iboga HCL or Iboga TA would be better in this instance?

Thanks







      
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From psychonaut101 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 15:48:51 2010
From: psychonaut101 at gmail.com (James Forristal)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:48:51 -0800
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
In-Reply-To: <467337.87509.qm@web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <113691.11999.qm@web113116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<467337.87509.qm@web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <108a1b7d1001031248v44039369mfddbe6b269c83b00@mail.gmail.com>

Don't a few of you guys use a gram or three a day for a week or so on
and off as booster dosing?

On 1/3/10, Jim Hadey <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi JJ,
>
> This is just me and a few other people that I know but not
> everyone.? If you want you can use Ibo to change your whole
> life.? You can give up alcohol, cigs and I know several
> people that gave up junk food or cut down to where it
> was not a problem.? Decide what kind of person you want
> to be, maybe like a school teacher, friends dad, your own
> mom or dad - someone you respect or you can make one
> up.? Then you act like the person you want to be and then
> you think like the person you want to be and you become
> that person.? Every see a person pass on dessert or take
> a tiny sliver of pie or cake, well do that.? If you want to
> become more warm and friendly think about it and try it
> when you get the chance.? If you want to control your
> temper you mellow yourself out - however you do it you
> got to think about it then do it and then you will be like
> that.? Of course it takes time depending on how you
> want to be.
> you
>
> For me instead of cussing or swearing in traffic or in a line
> I tell myself that is no way to act.? Should a person cut in
> front of me it is really is no big deal.? It takes time but you can
> do it if you want.? You become the person you want to be.? After
> an treatment is a good time to start and maybe with the new
> year also.
>
> It worked for me and a few people who wanted to change.
>
> Hope I helped,
>
> ? - JIM
>
>
> --- On Sat, 1/2/10, J J <jlany123 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: J J <jlany123 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 1:52 PM
>
> Do you think Iboga would be helpful if your a junk food eater. It may sound
> trivial but it is a problem.
>
> I would like to improve my diet but it is like I'm addicted to junk food.
>
> I never really much liked fruits and vegetables. I wonder if you went in
> with the attention to eat healthier and to be more disciplined in general if
> Iboga would help??
>
> Do you think Iboga HCL or Iboga TA would be better in this instance?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From mlangshaw67 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  3 22:47:59 2010
From: mlangshaw67 at yahoo.com (michael langshaw)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 19:47:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
In-Reply-To: <467337.87509.qm@web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <249616.90038.qm@web44903.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

You helped me Jim. I already try to do theses little execices you write of. It takes vigilance and dicipline and I am lacking in both of these areas. I am looking forward to doing another treatment for spiritual purposes. My first treatment helpd with addiction interuption and I'm possitive that it will help me with spiritual growth.
?
Peace Brutha!
Mike

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Jim Hadey <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Jim Hadey <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 3:00 PM







Hi JJ,

This is just me and a few other people that I know but not
everyone.? If you want you can use Ibo to change your whole
life.? You can give up alcohol, cigs and I know several
people that gave up junk food or cut down to where it 
was not a problem.? Decide what kind of person you want
to be, maybe like a school teacher, friends dad, your own
mom or dad - someone you respect or you can make one
up.? Then you act like the person you want to be and then
you think like the person you want to be and you become
that person.? Every see a person pass on dessert or take
a tiny sliver of pie or cake, well do that.? If you want to
become more warm and friendly think about it and try it
when you get the chance.? If you want to control your 
temper you mellow yourself out - however you do it you
got to think about it then do it and then you will be like
that.? Of course it takes time depending on how you
want to be.
you 

For me instead of cussing or swearing in traffic or in a line
I tell myself that is no way to act.? Should a person cut in 
front of me it is really is no big deal.? It takes time but you can
do it if you want.? You become the person you want to be.? After
an treatment is a good time to start and maybe with the new 
year also.

It worked for me and a few people who wanted to change.

Hope I helped,

? - JIM


--- On Sat, 1/2/10, J J <jlany123 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: J J <jlany123 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 1:52 PM






Do you think Iboga would be helpful if your a junk food eater. It may sound trivial but it is a problem.

I would like to improve my diet but it is like I'm addicted to junk food. 

I never really much liked fruits and vegetables. I wonder if you went in with the attention to eat healthier and to be more disciplined in general if Iboga would help??

Do you think Iboga HCL or Iboga TA would be better in this instance?

Thanks


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From jimhadey3 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  4 09:29:49 2010
From: jimhadey3 at yahoo.com (Jim Hadey)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 06:29:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
In-Reply-To: <249616.90038.qm@web44903.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <746398.12773.qm@web51308.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Hi Michael,

Thank you for the kind words.? I have seen one or two people
change 100%? I sometimes mention this to new people who
want to change and use Ibo for addiction.? Of course you must
want to change, Ibo will not make you do something you do not
want to do.? It really is a shame that you must go out of the country.
I usually mention why not give up the cigarettes this is your chance
to quit and really not feel it.? 

Best to Ya,

? - JIM

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, michael langshaw <mlangshaw67 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: michael langshaw <mlangshaw67 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 10:47 PM

You helped me Jim. I already try to do theses little execices you write of. It takes vigilance and dicipline and I am lacking in both of these areas. I am looking forward to doing another treatment for spiritual purposes. My first treatment helpd with addiction interuption and I'm possitive that it will help me with spiritual growth.
?
Peace Brutha!
Mike

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Jim Hadey <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Jim Hadey <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 3:00 PM







Hi JJ,

This is just me and a few other people that I know but not
everyone.? If you want you can use Ibo to change your whole
life.? You can give up alcohol, cigs and I know several
people that gave up junk food or cut down to where it 
was not a problem.? Decide what kind of person you want
to be, maybe like a school teacher, friends dad, your own
mom or dad - someone you respect or you can make one
up.? Then you act like the person you want to be and then
you think like the person you want to be and you become
that person.? Every see a person pass on dessert or take
a tiny sliver of pie or cake, well do that.? If you want to
become more warm and friendly think about it and try it
when you get the chance.? If you want to control your 
temper you mellow yourself out - however you do it you
got to think about it then do it and then you will be
 like
that.? Of course it takes time depending on how you
want to be.
you 

For me instead of cussing or swearing in traffic or in a line
I tell myself that is no way to act.? Should a person cut in 
front of me it is really is no big deal.? It takes time but you can
do it if you want.? You become the person you want to be.? After
an treatment is a good time to start and maybe with the new 
year also.

It worked for me and a few people who wanted to change.

Hope I helped,

? - JIM


--- On Sat, 1/2/10, J J <jlany123 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: J J <jlany123 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 1:52 PM






Do you think Iboga would be helpful if your a junk food eater. It may sound trivial but it is a problem.

I would like to improve my diet but it is like I'm addicted to junk food. 

I never really much liked fruits and vegetables. I wonder if you went in with the attention to eat healthier and to be more disciplined in general if Iboga would help??

Do you think Iboga HCL or Iboga TA would be better in this instance?

Thanks


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From izmudd at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 13:11:39 2010
From: izmudd at gmail.com (Beverly Jackson)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:11:39 -0800
Subject: [Ibogaine] What's New
In-Reply-To: <F79CAA2D-44C6-4DFF-B28E-A51A871B5B7B@phantom.com>
References: <F79CAA2D-44C6-4DFF-B28E-A51A871B5B7B@phantom.com>
Message-ID: <68a68f8a1001041011m56868a70x4595220a0b5bcff4@mail.gmail.com>

Sweeeeet! Howard, thanks!

At the end of the paper, it mentions that Naranjo did 700 psychotherapeutic
tx with ibogaine. Is the chapter in 'Healing Journey' the only place he
writes about it?
Anyone know of a repository online, or elsewhere that has info on
psychospiritual tx with ibo?

Thanks.
Beverly.
Rice.
Beans.

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Howard Lotsof <hslotsof at phantom.com> wrote:

> http://www.ibogaine.org/whatsnew.html
>
> Presentations now available from the New Mexico conference as well as, a
> hard to get Naranjo paper, the first to report on the psychotherapeutic
> effects of ibogaine.
>
> Howard
>
>
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From jimhadey3 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  4 14:50:58 2010
From: jimhadey3 at yahoo.com (Jim Hadey)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:50:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
In-Reply-To: <113691.11999.qm@web113116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <253992.31752.qm@web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Hi JJ,

You asked >>>

Do you think Iboga would be helpful if your a junk food eater. It may sound trivial but it is a problem.

I would like to improve my diet but it is like I'm addicted to junk food.?? <<<<<<

Well if it is bothering you it is not really trivial.? And Americans
are known for a poor diet.? Can it help you change, well when
you or the shopper goes to the store have them get? like 2 tomatoes
and 2 cantaloupe maybe a couple of oranges or whatever you like
and try to increase. Maybe do it over time, after all there is no big
hurry.

Here is a radio interview about a guy who kicks methadone and
when he comes back from the experience he wanted black coffee
and seemed to want too use less sugar.? It takes place about the
10 minute mark.? It's really a good interview you may want to listen
to the whole thing.? It seems like the guy made a lot of changes in 
his life.? He talks about Ibo and different drugs, addictions, 
depression and is an all round interesting interview.? His name is
Rocky and he has a web page somewhere.

Here is the link if you want to listen to it.

http://freedom-center.org/madness-radio-2007-06-20-rocky-caravelli-ibogaine-psychedelic-addction-treatment

In a way he sort of says you can change your whole life as 
well as addictions.? Well why not, it's expensive so you 
might as well get the most bang for the buck.? LOL

You got the right idea beside drugs improve you diet,
most everyone could eat a better diet.

Here is a web site where I got the link

/www.myeboga.com/audio.html#radio

Let me know how ya liked it.

Later,

? - JIM


--- On Sat, 1/2/10, J J <jlany123 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: J J <jlany123 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 1:52 PM

Do you think Iboga would be helpful if your a junk food eater. It may sound trivial but it is a problem.

I would like to improve my diet but it is like I'm addicted to junk food. 

I never really much liked fruits and vegetables. I wonder if you went in with the attention to eat healthier and to be more disciplined in general if Iboga would help??

Do you think Iboga HCL or Iboga TA would be better in this instance?

Thanks







      
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From jimhadey3 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  4 16:04:59 2010
From: jimhadey3 at yahoo.com (Jim Hadey)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:04:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
In-Reply-To: <253992.31752.qm@web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <572203.22977.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Hi JJ,

I am not sure why that link does not work but if
you go to the page you will find several radio-
type programs.

?? - JIM

--- On Mon, 1/4/10, Jim Hadey <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Jim Hadey <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 2:50 PM


Hi JJ,

You asked >>>

Do you think Iboga would be helpful if your a junk food eater. It may sound trivial but it is a problem.

I would like to improve my diet but it is like I'm addicted to junk food.?? <<<<<<

Well if it is bothering you it is not really trivial.? And Americans
are known for a poor diet.? Can it help you change, well when
you or the shopper goes to the store have them get? like 2 tomatoes
and 2 cantaloupe maybe a couple of oranges or whatever you like
and try to increase. Maybe do it over time, after all there is no big
hurry.

Here is a radio interview about a guy who kicks methadone and
when he comes back from the experience he wanted black coffee
and seemed to want too use less sugar.? It takes place about the
10 minute
 mark.? It's really a good interview you may want to listen
to the whole thing.? It seems like the guy made a lot of changes in 
his life.? He talks about Ibo and different drugs, addictions, 
depression and is an all round interesting interview.? His name is
Rocky and he has a web page somewhere.

Here is the link if you want to listen to it.

http://freedom-center.org/madness-radio-2007-06-20-rocky-caravelli-ibogaine-psychedelic-addction-treatment

In a way he sort of says you can change your whole life as 
well as addictions.? Well why not, it's expensive so you 
might as well get the most bang for the buck.? LOL

You got the right idea beside drugs improve you diet,
most everyone could eat a better diet.

Here is a web site where I got the link

/www.myeboga.com/audio.html#radio

Let me know how ya liked it.

Later,

? - JIM


--- On
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From: J J <jlany123 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 1:52 PM

Do you think Iboga would be helpful if your a junk food eater. It may sound trivial but it is a problem.

I would like to improve my diet but it is like I'm addicted to junk food. 

I never really much liked fruits and vegetables. I wonder if you went in with the attention to eat healthier and to be more disciplined in general if Iboga would help??

Do you think Iboga HCL or Iboga TA would be better in this
 instance?

Thanks







      
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From helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  4 18:25:29 2010
From: helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com (Helpful Hopeful)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 15:25:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
In-Reply-To: <572203.22977.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <809017.78551.qm@web55904.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

The link worked fine for me..

--- On Mon, 1/4/10, Jim Hadey <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Jim Hadey <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 1:04 PM
> 
> Hi JJ,
> 
> I am not sure why that link does not work but if
> you go to the page you will find several radio-
> type programs.
> 
> ?? - JIM
> 
> --- On Mon, 1/4/10, Jim Hadey
> <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Jim Hadey <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
> To: "The Ibogaine List"
> <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 2:50 PM
> 
> 
> Hi JJ,
> 
> You asked >>>
> 
> Do you think Iboga would be helpful if your a junk food
> eater. It may sound trivial but it is a problem.
> 
> I would like to improve my diet but it is like I'm
> addicted to junk food.?? <<<<<<
> 
> Well if it is bothering you it is not really trivial.?
> And Americans
> are known for a poor diet.? Can it help you change,
> well when
> you or the shopper goes to the store have them get?
> like 2 tomatoes
> and 2 cantaloupe maybe a couple of oranges or whatever you
> like
> and try to increase. Maybe do it over time, after all there
> is no big
> hurry.
> 
> Here is a radio interview about a guy who kicks methadone
> and
> when he comes back from the experience he wanted black
> coffee
> and seemed to want too use less sugar.? It takes place
> about the
> 10 minute
>  mark.? It's really a good interview you may want
> to listen
> to the whole thing.? It seems like the guy made a lot
> of changes in 
> his life.? He talks about Ibo and different drugs,
> addictions, 
> depression and is an all round interesting interview.?
> His name is
> Rocky and he has a web page somewhere.
> 
> Here is the link if you want to listen to it.
> 
> http://freedom-center.org/madness-radio-2007-06-20-rocky-caravelli-ibogaine-psychedelic-addction-treatment
> 
> In a way he sort of says you can change your whole life as
> 
> well as addictions.? Well why not, it's expensive
> so you 
> might as well get the most bang for the buck.? LOL
> 
> You got the right idea beside drugs improve you diet,
> most everyone could eat a better diet.
> 
> Here is a web site where I got the link
> 
> /www.myeboga.com/audio.html#radio
> 
> Let me know how ya liked it.
> 
> Later,
> 
> ? - JIM
> 
> 
> --- On
>  Sat, 1/2/10, J J <jlany123 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> From: J J <jlany123 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 1:52 PM
> 
> Do you think
> Iboga would be helpful if your a junk food eater. It may
> sound trivial but it is a problem.
> 
> I would like to improve my diet but it is like I'm
> addicted to junk food. 
> 
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From jimhadey3 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  4 19:14:19 2010
From: jimhadey3 at yahoo.com (Jim Hadey)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:14:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
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Hi JJ,

Here is a link that works.? Go down the page on the
left hand side and you will see a little recorder.

madnessradio.net/madness-radio-2007-06-20-rocky-caravelli-ibogaine-psychedelic-addction-treatment

Sometime you got to try them out.? But this is a nice 45 min interview
with Rocky.

? - JIM

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From: Jim Hadey <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 4:04 PM


Hi JJ,

I am not sure why that link does not work but if
you go to the page you will find several radio-
type programs.

?? - JIM

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From: Jim Hadey <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 2:50 PM


Hi JJ,

You asked >>>

Do you think Iboga would be helpful if your a junk food eater. It may sound trivial but it is a problem.

I would like to improve my diet but it is like I'm addicted to junk food.?? <<<<<<

Well if it is bothering you it is not really trivial.? And Americans
are known for a poor diet.? Can it help you change, well when
you or the shopper goes to the store have them get? like 2 tomatoes
and 2 cantaloupe maybe a couple of oranges or whatever you like
and try to increase. Maybe do it over time, after all there is no big
hurry.

Here is a radio interview about a guy who kicks methadone and
when he comes back from the experience he wanted black coffee
and seemed to want too use less sugar.? It takes place about the
10 minute
 mark.? It's really a good interview you may want to listen
to the whole thing.? It seems like the guy made a lot of changes in 
his life.? He talks about Ibo and different drugs, addictions, 
depression and is an all round interesting interview.? His name is
Rocky and he has a web page somewhere.

Here is the link if you want to listen to it.

http://freedom-center.org/madness-radio-2007-06-20-rocky-caravelli-ibogaine-psychedelic-addction-treatment

In a way he sort of says you can change your whole life as 
well as addictions.? Well why not, it's expensive so you 
might as well get the most bang for the buck.? LOL

You got the right idea beside drugs improve you diet,
most everyone could eat a better diet.

Here is a web site where I got the link

/www.myeboga.com/audio.html#radio

Let me know how ya liked it.

Later,

? - JIM


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From: J J <jlany123 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 1:52 PM

Do you think Iboga would be helpful if your a junk food eater. It may sound trivial but it is a problem.

I would like to improve my diet but it is like I'm addicted to junk food. 

I never really much liked fruits and vegetables. I wonder if you went in with the attention to eat healthier and to be more disciplined in general if Iboga would help??

Do you think Iboga HCL or Iboga TA would be
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From falleneden1 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 23:56:53 2010
From: falleneden1 at gmail.com (fallen eden)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 20:56:53 -0800
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
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I think iboga could definitely help you with junk food- iboga always seems
to drastically change my diet into something like a vegetarian (though
whether I continue to eat like that after about a month or two is always my
decision in the end.) A lot of people who take ibogaine for other addictions
also suddenly notice a strange change in their diet, specifically wanting to
eat fruit and vegetables and no sweets. A lot of clinics cater to that
because it is a very common reaction; many serve organic meals, or just
healthy food in general. Fruit is almost always the first thing a person
eats after taking iboga because many people simply lose the desire for
sweets and suddenly only feel like eating fruit- skinny people have to watch
out for this, as I ended up losing 15lbs after my first experience because I
wanted only fruit and vegetables (and looked a bit anorexic after a week).
My way of making sure I get protein during that time is through protein
shakes, or soy.

I think either HCl or TA (extract) would work for something like eating too
much junk food. They both tend to have the same effects on diet; you might
want to lean towards HCl though just because you don't need to take nearly
as much of it to get the same anti-junkfood effect as you would with TA.

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 10:52 AM, J J <jlany123 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>  Do you think Iboga would be helpful if your a junk food eater. It may
> sound trivial but it is a problem.
>
> I would like to improve my diet but it is like I'm addicted to junk food.
>
> I never really much liked fruits and vegetables. I wonder if you went in
> with the attention to eat healthier and to be more disciplined in general if
> Iboga would help??
>
> Do you think Iboga HCL or Iboga TA would be better in this instance?
>
> Thanks
>
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From izmudd at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 00:14:49 2010
From: izmudd at gmail.com (Beverly Jackson)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 05:14:49 +0000
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
In-Reply-To: <8999cc761001042056y42e7c4edxa10dff1ccc5242b3@mail.gmail.com>
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Hiya Fallen (crazy grape girl) and all,

Just to touch on one point, whether TA or HCl, it's the mg/kg you're looking
for.
So yeah, in amount of powder one ingests it would be less with HCl, but just
the same amount of ibogaine, whether TA or HCL, which is what the mg/kg is
based on. (I know you know, Fallen, just making it more clear) :)
Okay, to touch on two:
I also saw a drastic and effortless change in my diet for a couple months. I
got to know the growers at my farmer's market much more intimately. After
that time, like Fallen says, the choice was on me. I eat pretty well
normally, but did notice the ease of reintroduction of 'treats'. For me,
this means lots of butter and fried things. Mmmmm, fat!

B

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:56 AM, fallen eden <falleneden1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think iboga could definitely help you with junk food- iboga always seems
> to drastically change my diet into something like a vegetarian (though
> whether I continue to eat like that after about a month or two is always my
> decision in the end.) A lot of people who take ibogaine for other addictions
> also suddenly notice a strange change in their diet, specifically wanting to
> eat fruit and vegetables and no sweets. A lot of clinics cater to that
> because it is a very common reaction; many serve organic meals, or just
> healthy food in general. Fruit is almost always the first thing a person
> eats after taking iboga because many people simply lose the desire for
> sweets and suddenly only feel like eating fruit- skinny people have to watch
> out for this, as I ended up losing 15lbs after my first experience because I
> wanted only fruit and vegetables (and looked a bit anorexic after a week).
> My way of making sure I get protein during that time is through protein
> shakes, or soy.
>
> I think either HCl or TA (extract) would work for something like eating too
> much junk food. They both tend to have the same effects on diet; you might
> want to lean towards HCl though just because you don't need to take nearly
> as much of it to get the same anti-junkfood effect as you would with TA.
>
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 10:52 AM, J J <jlany123 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>  Do you think Iboga would be helpful if your a junk food eater. It may
>> sound trivial but it is a problem.
>>
>> I would like to improve my diet but it is like I'm addicted to junk food.
>>
>> I never really much liked fruits and vegetables. I wonder if you went in
>> with the attention to eat healthier and to be more disciplined in general if
>> Iboga would help??
>>
>> Do you think Iboga HCL or Iboga TA would be better in this instance?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
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From jlspence12 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 06:27:48 2010
From: jlspence12 at gmail.com (Jeremy Spence)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 05:27:48 -0600
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
Message-ID: <9FEC1D5F-C5E9-4C27-B4CF-D21DAF7AA8B1@gmail.com>

Watch out for soy. I got natural estrogen properties to it. Orgainic  
would be the best choice.
But $

Is the problem  I try to eat organic if I can. If not always the best  
in nuts values.

J



On Jan 4, 2010, at 10:56 PM, fallen eden <falleneden1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think iboga could definitely help you with junk food- iboga always  
> seems to drastically change my diet into something like a vegetarian  
> (though whether I continue to eat like that after about a month or  
> two is always my decision in the end.) A lot of people who take  
> ibogaine for other addictions also suddenly notice a strange change  
> in their diet, specifically wanting to eat fruit and vegetables and  
> no sweets. A lot of clinics cater to that because it is a very  
> common reaction; many serve organic meals, or just healthy food in  
> general. Fruit is almost always the first thing a person eats after  
> taking iboga because many people simply lose the desire for sweets  
> and suddenly only feel like eating fruit- skinny people have to  
> watch out for this, as I ended up losing 15lbs after my first  
> experience because I wanted only fruit and vegetables (and looked a  
> bit anorexic after a week). My way of making sure I get protein  
> during that time is through protein shakes, or soy.
>
> I think either HCl or TA (extract) would work for something like  
> eating too much junk food. They both tend to have the same effects  
> on diet; you might want to lean towards HCl though just because you  
> don't need to take nearly as much of it to get the same anti- 
> junkfood effect as you would with TA.
>
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 10:52 AM, J J <jlany123 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Do you think Iboga would be helpful if your a junk food eater. It  
> may sound trivial but it is a problem.
>
> I would like to improve my diet but it is like I'm addicted to junk  
> food.
>
> I never really much liked fruits and vegetables. I wonder if you  
> went in with the attention to eat healthier and to be more  
> disciplined in general if Iboga would help??
>
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>
> Thanks
>
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From: jolazopa at mac.com (jolazopa at mac.com)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 05:12:56 -0700
Subject: [Ibogaine] Source: Courthouse Killer Angry Over Social Security -
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From helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  5 08:21:37 2010
From: helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com (Helpful Hopeful)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 05:21:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
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Message-ID: <376952.88636.qm@web55908.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

When I was on opiates and methadone I ate loads of sweets, sodas, and junk food.  But right after iboga, I lost my sweet tooth.  I also had a roast pig in my visions, which wasn't appealing at the time.  So I quit pig, sweets, sodas, and even cigarettes, as well as my methadone, all within 5 months after my first iboga treatment.

HH

--- On Mon, 1/4/10, fallen eden <falleneden1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: fallen eden <falleneden1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 8:56 PM
> I think iboga could definitely help
> you with junk food- iboga always seems to drastically change
> my diet into something like a vegetarian (though whether I
> continue to eat like that after about a month or two?is
> always my decision in the end.) A lot of people who take
> ibogaine for other addictions also suddenly notice a strange
> change in their diet, specifically wanting to eat fruit and
> vegetables and no sweets. A lot of clinics cater to that
> because it is a very common reaction; many serve organic
> meals, or just healthy food in general. Fruit is almost
> always the first thing a person eats after taking iboga
> because many people simply lose the desire for sweets and
> suddenly only feel like eating fruit- skinny people have to
> watch out for this, as I ended up losing 15lbs after my
> first experience because I wanted only fruit and vegetables
> (and looked a bit anorexic after a week). My way of making
> sure I get protein during that time is through protein
> shakes, or soy.
> 
> ?
> I think either HCl or TA (extract) would work for
> something like eating too much junk food. They both tend to
> have the same effects on diet; you might want to lean
> towards HCl though just because you don't need to take
> nearly as much of it to get the same anti-junkfood effect as
> you would with TA.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 10:52 AM, J
> J <jlany123 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Do you think Iboga would be helpful if your a junk
> food eater. It may sound trivial but it is a problem.
> 
> I would like to improve my diet but it is like I'm
> addicted to junk food. 
> 
> I never really much liked fruits and vegetables. I wonder
> if you went in with the attention to eat healthier and to be
> more disciplined in general if Iboga would help??
> 
> 
> Do you think Iboga HCL or Iboga TA would be better in this
> instance?
> 
> Thanks
> 
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From ibogamail at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 09:18:27 2010
From: ibogamail at gmail.com (Matt S)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 07:18:27 -0700
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
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From jimhadey3 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  5 11:36:40 2010
From: jimhadey3 at yahoo.com (Jim Hadey)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:36:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
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Hi Matt,

You made some very good changes and kept at it - congratulations.
Did you by any chance smoke cigs and if so did you quit them too?
Cigs Kill, I really got to get off them - really.

Best,

? - JIM
--- On Tue, 1/5/10, Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 9:18 AM




  
I have a similar story.? I have been a vegetarian since my treatment
for methadone 6 and half years ago.? Honestly it had never in my whole
life occurred to me to become a vegetarian prior to that experience.?
But I will say this for being a vegetarian, even though its kind of a
pain finding restaurants that serve something I can eat and it makes
going out to eat that much more difficult logistically speaking
(seriously try and find anything but a side salad or french fries at
applebees that doesn't have meat in it, and that's just one example),
it still has the added advantage that I never, ever, eat fast food.?
There is just nothing at all for vegetarians at fast food restaurants
(with the possible exception of the veggie-delight sandwich at subway
which is not all that great to be honest).? Fast food just doesn't
occur to me anymore.? Even though those kinds of restaurants are
everywhere, I hardly even notice them anymore.



Matt





Helpful Hopeful wrote:

  When I was on opiates and methadone I ate loads of sweets, sodas, and junk food.  But right after iboga, I lost my sweet tooth.  I also had a roast pig in my visions, which wasn't appealing at the time.  So I quit pig, sweets, sodas, and even cigarettes, as well as my methadone, all within 5 months after my first iboga treatment.

HH

--- On Mon, 1/4/10, fallen eden <falleneden1 at gmail.com> wrote:

  
  
    From: fallen eden <falleneden1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 8:56 PM
I think iboga could definitely help
you with junk food- iboga always seems to drastically change
my diet into something like a vegetarian (though whether I
continue to eat like that after about a month or two?is
always my decision in the end.) A lot of people who take
ibogaine for other addictions also suddenly notice a strange
change in their diet, specifically wanting to eat fruit and
vegetables and no sweets. A lot of clinics cater to that
because it is a very common reaction; many serve organic
meals, or just healthy food in general. Fruit is almost
always the first thing a person eats after taking iboga
because many people simply lose the desire for sweets and
suddenly only feel like eating fruit- skinny people have to
watch out for this, as I ended up losing 15lbs after my
first experience because I wanted only fruit and vegetables
(and looked a bit anorexic after a week). My way of making
sure I get protein during that time is through protein
shakes, or soy.

?
I think either HCl or TA (extract) would work for
something like eating too much junk food. They both tend to
have the same effects on diet; you might want to lean
towards HCl though just because you don't need to take
nearly as much of it to get the same anti-junkfood effect as
you would with TA.



On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 10:52 AM, J
J <jlany123 at yahoo.com>
wrote:




Do you think Iboga would be helpful if your a junk
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I would like to improve my diet but it is like I'm
addicted to junk food. 

I never really much liked fruits and vegetables. I wonder
if you went in with the attention to eat healthier and to be
more disciplined in general if Iboga would help??


Do you think Iboga HCL or Iboga TA would be better in this
instance?

Thanks



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From chris at jenks.us  Tue Jan  5 11:46:06 2010
From: chris at jenks.us (Chris Jenks)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:46:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ibogaine] Voacanga africana Questions
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   In my own experience, up to four grams of V. africana bark had only 
slightly stimulating effects and did not produce effects, like tracers, 
characteristic of iboga bark at this dose. The hydrolysis product of V. 
africana extract, purified to the same extent as PTA HCl (Purified Total 
iboga Alkaloids), was inactive at 150 mg, where PTA HCl would have been 
clearly active. What this tells me is that although the total amount of 
alkaloid in Voacanga africana bark is comparable to, and maybe slightly 
higher than, the amount of alkaloid in iboga bark, the proportion of 
voacangine in the alkaloid mixture is much lower than the proportion of 
ibogaine in total iboga alkaloid. In the patent of Janot and Goutarel 
("Derivatives of the Ibogaine Alkaloids", US patent #2,813,873, awarded in 
1957) it says:

   "While it would appear logical to produce the new derivatives of the 
invention [mainly noribogaine] from ibogaine, the applicants have found 
that it is much more advantageous and desirable to prepare these 
derivatives by starting with voacangine as a source. It has been found 
that voacangine is extracted from the bark of the voacanga tree plant. The 
voacanga africana, stapf, is able to supply up to 5 grs. per kilo, whereas 
ibogaine is found in the root of tabernanthe iboga (H.Bn) at a 
concentration of 3 grs. per kilo. It is both apparent and obvious that 
gathering the bark is easier than gathering the roots, and that the former 
procedure does not bring about the destruction of the plants. It should 
also be noted that the voacanga is much more widely prevalent than the 
iboga."

   Initially I assumed that since this report of the concentration of 
ibogaine in iboga root bark is an order of magnitude lower than what we 
expect today (0.3% vs. 2-3% in bark), that the concentration of voacangine 
might likewise be under reported. Unfortunately this does not seem to be 
the case. In iboga bark the ibogaine is about 30% of the total alkaloid 
that dissolves in acid, and about 60% of the alkaloid that dissolves in 
both acid and acetone, so it is easy to get the ibogaine pure enough to 
recrystallize. If Janot and Goutarel's report of the concentration of 
voacangine is accurate, and the bark contains around 5-8% alkaloid 
according to my experiments, then the voacangine is about 10% of the 
acid-soluble alkaloid and maybe 20% of what dissolves in both acid and 
acetone, making it much more of a challenge to isolate and making crude 
mixtures containing it much less pharmacologically useful. 
18-methoxycoronaridine (18-MC), which seems to be effective in treating 
addiction in rats, contains the same ester group which distinguishes 
voacangine from ibogaine, so it is possible that voacangine may be 
effective by itself for addiction treatment, but if it comprises only 20% 
of voacanga PTA HCl, side effects from the large amount of other alkaloids 
may be expected and seem to have been reported by those who tried large 
amounts of the bark.

   Traditionally, chromatography has been used to separate a complex 
mixture like we see with the voacanga alkaloids. This is a very general 
process but is resource and labor intensive and relatively high tech. I 
hope that a much more elegant process can be discovered to accomplish this 
separation, like a salt form that happens to render voacangine less 
soluble than the other alkaloids (like the fumarate suggested by robertj).

   Chris

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009, Matt S wrote:

> I was thinking you would have gotten more responses to this by now.? I thought Chris had done a voacangine extraction, not sure what he did with the product though,
> assuming that ever actually happened, I could be mistaken.
> 
> Here is what I do know.? V. Africana root bark feels ibogaine-like in high doses in terms of psychological effects.? It does not feel the same in terms of physiological
> effects.? T. Iboga has more of a stimulant effect while V. Africana has a draining feeling.? I felt worn out and low energy for a couple days after V. Africana.? The ataxia
> also seemed worse on V. Africana.
> 
> I would place the threshold ibogaine hcl dose somewhere around 5-7 mg/kg.? You can feel balance effects and stimulation at doses as low as 1-2 mg/kg.? I can't really say
> with V. Africana because I didn't really measure it when I took it and after a couple times I really didn't want to take any more.
> 
> Matt
> 
> 
> robertj wrote:
>       Since I have no T. iboga with which to experiment, I am planning on making a mixed alkaloid extract of Voacanga africana root bark.? I have some questions I am
>       hoping will be answered by the collective experience of this list.? Since the major alkaloid, voacangine, is very similar to ibogaine, it is likely that the
>       results obtained will be similar to those of T. iboga.
>
>       1)? Does anyone have any experience or information re:? the fumarate salt of voacangine (or ibogaine)?? I am planning on extracting the Voacanga alkaloids with
>       acetone and precipitating the fumarate salts by adding a solution of fumaric acid dissolved in acetone.? This method has been used with success with DMT, and I
>       am hoping that it works as well with voacangine/ibogaine.
>
>       2)? Has anyone used either voacangine fumarate or ibogaine fumarate?? If so, were the subjective effects (pharmacodynamics) similar to other salts (e.g.
>       hydrochloride, acetate) or the freebase?
>
>       3)? I have yet to find any information on the use of a V. africana root bark extract on the web, most experiences reported are for the seeds.? Any information
>       will be appreciated.
>
>       After making the effort to obtain a V. africana extract, I am considering a bioassay.? Since it will be helpful in documenting the procedure and effects if I
>       survive the experiment, I will start out with a low dose.? (The voacangine LD50 (i.v.) in mice is 54 mg/kg, somewhat higher than ibogaine at 42 mg/kg.)
>
>       4)? What would constitute a threshold dose of voacangine?
>
>       5)? Since I do not expect an answer to the above question, what is a threshold dose of ibogaine HCl?
>
>       If the extraction procedure is effective, it has several benefits:? Quick, simple, no extremely toxic chems, relatively safe (acetone is flammable, but no heat
>       will be used), and the result should be very pure.? The only downside is that fumaric acid is not widely available, though it can be purchased for low cost over
>       the web.
>
>       Any guidance/information/links you can provide will be greatly appreciated!
>
>       robertj
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From jlspence12 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 11:58:56 2010
From: jlspence12 at gmail.com (Jeremy Spence)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:58:56 -0600
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
Message-ID: <02BB8FD7-517F-4087-987E-C869629648E4@gmail.com>

As I "thought" I was going pro bodybuilder, that didn't know he
was getting ready to " fall off a cliff"

I fell for the extreme protien deit,
And it was probably
My biggest down fall with my total
Heath in general.

2 16oz prime ribs a day!!!!
2!!!!!!
With all types of other shite!!!
Add in a gallon of dark Newcastle beer
a day!!
Plus working out 6-7 days a week, plus going to college writing papers
as a psy major
Well, I'd double major if I went back to school again
And major in biology also.
I got nearly a major in psy
I could easily get a major in both.

I got a ton of hours out at my local college.
I just ran out of $$ and Im Not going to go into all types of dept. Or  
drag My mother into dept with me.

I won't do it.
But anyways,
My deit fucked me harder then anything,
I was a bodybuilder, working part time at a restront(that full of  
Chem. Prosever it)
I didn't know about all that crap back then!!
Hell the Chemical in the tab water and the un natural food will kill  
you before
the so called " addictive drugs"
That are demonized by iqorant Americans.
No, addictive meds are not good 4 u.
No, long term, they are not the heathest thing u could ever put in  
your body!!
I tend to believe the more un natural, long term, more then likely is  
not the best thing to put in your human gas tank..
Probably not...
Is problably not
But natural not Just all safe either !
Nothings across the board!
Nothing!!!!!
But I would get my info from the " media!! I tell u that!
Or these "so called" " medical studies"
" done by the drug comp."
Or the "DEA"
Right!
They are non bisest.
Right.

But anyway,
High protien deits are not good 4 u.
The way way they would be ok for u, is
A high fruit and veggy deit,
To balance it out....

Something I knew nothing about at 21!!
I just never dreamed i'd get a rare bladder disease!!
Not that young!

Then inter the "people with high IQs!!!"
High enough to not take my bladder out(aka=pain pump car bomb!!!!)
That would have pushed
My wig back!!
Pissing out a bag!!!
Yea!
That would pushed my wig back!!
And believe or not somehow?

Over 50% of IC patients that get totally
Bladder removel
They some how still have pain??

It's crazy..
It's a crazy disease.

The uro that use to follow the grateful
dead
Called it a "crazy women disease"
Wonderful.

20 years ago they sent me home
and said there nothing

On Jan 5, 2010, at 8:18 AM, Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a similar story.  I have been a vegetarian since my treatment  
> for methadone 6 and half years ago.  Honestly it had never in my  
> whole life occurred to me to become a vegetarian prior to that  
> experience.  But I will say this for being a vegetarian, even though  
> its kind of a pain finding restaurants that serve something I can  
> eat and it makes going out to eat that much more difficult  
> logistically speaking (seriously try and find anything but a side  
> salad or french fries at applebees that doesn't have meat in it, and  
> that's just one example), it still has the added advantage that I  
> never, ever, eat fast food.  There is just nothing at all for  
> vegetarians at fast food restaurants (with the possible exception of  
> the veggie-delight sandwich at subway which is not all that great to  
> be honest).  Fast food just doesn't occur to me anymore.  Even  
> though those kinds of restaurants are everywhere, I hardly even  
> notice them anymore.
>
> Matt
>
>
> Helpful Hopeful wrote:
>>
>> When I was on opiates and methadone I ate loads of sweets, sodas,  
>> and junk food.  But right after iboga, I lost my sweet tooth.  I  
>> also had a roast pig in my visions, which wasn't appealing at the  
>> time.  So I quit pig, sweets, sodas, and even cigarettes, as well  
>> as my methadone, all within 5 months after my first iboga treatment.
>>
>> HH
>>
>> --- On Mon, 1/4/10, fallen eden <falleneden1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> From: fallen eden <falleneden1 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
>>> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 8:56 PM
>>> I think iboga could definitely help
>>> you with junk food- iboga always seems to drastically change
>>> my diet into something like a vegetarian (though whether I
>>> continue to eat like that after about a month or two is
>>> always my decision in the end.) A lot of people who take
>>> ibogaine for other addictions also suddenly notice a strange
>>> change in their diet, specifically wanting to eat fruit and
>>> vegetables and no sweets. A lot of clinics cater to that
>>> because it is a very common reaction; many serve organic
>>> meals, or just healthy food in general. Fruit is almost
>>> always the first thing a person eats after taking iboga
>>> because many people simply lose the desire for sweets and
>>> suddenly only feel like eating fruit- skinny people have to
>>> watch out for this, as I ended up losing 15lbs after my
>>> first experience because I wanted only fruit and vegetables
>>> (and looked a bit anorexic after a week). My way of making
>>> sure I get protein during that time is through protein
>>> shakes, or soy.
>>>
>>>
>>> I think either HCl or TA (extract) would work for
>>> something like eating too much junk food. They both tend to
>>> have the same effects on diet; you might want to lean
>>> towards HCl though just because you don't need to take
>>> nearly as much of it to get the same anti-junkfood effect as
>>> you would with TA.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 10:52 AM, J
>>> J <jlany123 at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you think Iboga would be helpful if your a junk
>>> food eater. It may sound trivial but it is a problem.
>>>
>>> I would like to improve my diet but it is like I'm
>>> addicted to junk food.
>>>
>>> I never really much liked fruits and vegetables. I wonder
>>> if you went in with the attention to eat healthier and to be
>>> more disciplined in general if Iboga would help??
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you think Iboga HCL or Iboga TA would be better in this
>>> instance?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
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From ibogamail at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 12:03:42 2010
From: ibogamail at gmail.com (Matt S)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 10:03:42 -0700
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
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From junkboy64 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 12:08:48 2010
From: junkboy64 at gmail.com (junkboy)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:08:48 -0700
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
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jim,
i was able to quit smoking..
i took a 1 gram hcl treatment as a dentist gave me pain pills let me keep
refiiling it.. lol...
i didnt even mean to quit smoking... it was my second treatment and
afterwords i just never smoked again..
i had an employee who came up on his one year quit date after an ibo
treatment.
it works, but you have to want to quit... its slightly uncomfortable for
about a week, then its great... at least for me thats how it was..




On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Jim Hadey <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> Hi Matt,
>
> You made some very good changes and kept at it - congratulations.
> Did you by any chance smoke cigs and if so did you quit them too?
> Cigs Kill, I really got to get off them - really.
>
> Best,
>
>   - JIM
> --- On *Tue, 1/5/10, Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 9:18 AM
>
> I have a similar story.  I have been a vegetarian since my treatment for
> methadone 6 and half years ago.  Honestly it had never in my whole life
> occurred to me to become a vegetarian prior to that experience.  But I will
> say this for being a vegetarian, even though its kind of a pain finding
> restaurants that serve something I can eat and it makes going out to eat
> that much more difficult logistically speaking (seriously try and find
> anything but a side salad or french fries at applebees that doesn't have
> meat in it, and that's just one example), it still has the added advantage
> that I never, ever, eat fast food.  There is just nothing at all for
> vegetarians at fast food restaurants (with the possible exception of the
> veggie-delight sandwich at subway which is not all that great to be
> honest).  Fast food just doesn't occur to me anymore.  Even though those
> kinds of restaurants are everywhere, I hardly even notice them anymore.
>
> Matt
>
>
> Helpful Hopeful wrote:
>
> When I was on opiates and methadone I ate loads of sweets, sodas, and junk food.  But right after iboga, I lost my sweet tooth.  I also had a roast pig in my visions, which wasn't appealing at the time.  So I quit pig, sweets, sodas, and even cigarettes, as well as my methadone, all within 5 months after my first iboga treatment.
>
> HH
>
> --- On Mon, 1/4/10, fallen eden <falleneden1 at gmail.com> <http://mc/compose?to=falleneden1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   From: fallen eden <falleneden1 at gmail.com> <http://mc/compose?to=falleneden1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com> <http://mc/compose?to=ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 8:56 PM
> I think iboga could definitely help
> you with junk food- iboga always seems to drastically change
> my diet into something like a vegetarian (though whether I
> continue to eat like that after about a month or two is
> always my decision in the end.) A lot of people who take
> ibogaine for other addictions also suddenly notice a strange
> change in their diet, specifically wanting to eat fruit and
> vegetables and no sweets. A lot of
>  clinics cater to that
> because it is a very common reaction; many serve organic
> meals, or just healthy food in general. Fruit is almost
> always the first thing a person eats after taking iboga
> because many people simply lose the desire for sweets and
> suddenly only feel like eating fruit- skinny people have to
> watch out for this, as I ended up losing 15lbs after my
> first experience because I wanted only fruit and vegetables
> (and looked a bit anorexic after a week). My way of making
> sure I get protein during that time is through protein
> shakes, or soy.
>
>
> I think either HCl or TA (extract) would work for
> something like eating too much junk food. They both tend to
> have the same effects on diet; you might want to lean
> towards HCl though just because you don't need to take
> nearly as much of it to get the same anti-junkfood effect as
> you would with TA.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 10:52 AM,
>  J
> J <jlany123 at yahoo.com> <http://mc/compose?to=jlany123 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Do you think Iboga would be helpful if your a junk
> food eater. It may sound trivial but it is a problem.
>
> I would like to improve my diet but it is like I'm
> addicted to junk food.
>
> I never really much liked fruits and vegetables. I wonder
> if you went in with the attention to eat healthier and to be
> more disciplined in general if Iboga would help??
>
>
> Do you think Iboga HCL or Iboga TA would be better in this
> instance?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
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From izmudd at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 12:38:57 2010
From: izmudd at gmail.com (Beverly Jackson)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:38:57 -0800
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
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On smoking, I was off tobacco for a couple months, cigarettes were a 25 year
habit. I now smoke a couple cigars a day. Still tobacco, I know.
I had no intention of quitting cigarettes with Iboga, but wasn't opposed to
it 'magically' being lifted from me. And it was, for a brief time.
Good to hear the stopping stories. I've heard from someone else that their
third time taking Iboga was when they quit.
I want to take Iboga again for a lot of reasons, quitting smoking with
intention and a plan is just one of them.
B

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 9:08 AM, junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com> wrote:

> jim,
> i was able to quit smoking..
> i took a 1 gram hcl treatment as a dentist gave me pain pills let me keep
> refiiling it.. lol...
> i didnt even mean to quit smoking... it was my second treatment and
> afterwords i just never smoked again..
> i had an employee who came up on his one year quit date after an ibo
> treatment.
> it works, but you have to want to quit... its slightly uncomfortable for
> about a week, then its great... at least for me thats how it was..
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Jim Hadey <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hi Matt,
>>
>> You made some very good changes and kept at it - congratulations.
>> Did you by any chance smoke cigs and if so did you quit them too?
>> Cigs Kill, I really got to get off them - really.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>   - JIM
>> --- On *Tue, 1/5/10, Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
>> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 9:18 AM
>>
>> I have a similar story.  I have been a vegetarian since my treatment for
>> methadone 6 and half years ago.  Honestly it had never in my whole life
>> occurred to me to become a vegetarian prior to that experience.  But I will
>> say this for being a vegetarian, even though its kind of a pain finding
>> restaurants that serve something I can eat and it makes going out to eat
>> that much more difficult logistically speaking (seriously try and find
>> anything but a side salad or french fries at applebees that doesn't have
>> meat in it, and that's just one example), it still has the added advantage
>> that I never, ever, eat fast food.  There is just nothing at all for
>> vegetarians at fast food restaurants (with the possible exception of the
>> veggie-delight sandwich at subway which is not all that great to be
>> honest).  Fast food just doesn't occur to me anymore.  Even though those
>> kinds of restaurants are everywhere, I hardly even notice them anymore.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>> Helpful Hopeful wrote:
>>
>> When I was on opiates and methadone I ate loads of sweets, sodas, and junk food.  But right after iboga, I lost my sweet tooth.  I also had a roast pig in my visions, which wasn't appealing at the time.  So I quit pig, sweets, sodas, and even cigarettes, as well as my methadone, all within 5 months after my first iboga treatment.
>>
>> HH
>>
>> --- On Mon, 1/4/10, fallen eden <falleneden1 at gmail.com> <http://mc/compose?to=falleneden1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>   From: fallen eden <falleneden1 at gmail.com> <http://mc/compose?to=falleneden1 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
>>
>> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com> <http://mc/compose?to=ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 8:56 PM
>> I think iboga could definitely help
>>
>> you with junk food- iboga always seems to drastically change
>> my diet into something like a vegetarian (though whether I
>> continue to eat like that after about a month or two is
>> always my decision in the end.) A lot of people who take
>>
>> ibogaine for other addictions also suddenly notice a strange
>> change in their diet, specifically wanting to eat fruit and
>> vegetables and no sweets. A lot of
>>  clinics cater to that
>> because it is a very common reaction; many serve organic
>> meals, or just healthy food in general. Fruit is almost
>> always the first thing a person eats after taking iboga
>> because many people simply lose the desire for sweets and
>>
>> suddenly only feel like eating fruit- skinny people have to
>> watch out for this, as I ended up losing 15lbs after my
>> first experience because I wanted only fruit and vegetables
>> (and looked a bit anorexic after a week). My way of making
>>
>> sure I get protein during that time is through protein
>> shakes, or soy.
>>
>>
>> I think either HCl or TA (extract) would work for
>> something like eating too much junk food. They both tend to
>> have the same effects on diet; you might want to lean
>>
>> towards HCl though just because you don't need to take
>> nearly as much of it to get the same anti-junkfood effect as
>> you would with TA.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 10:52 AM,
>>  J
>> J <jlany123 at yahoo.com> <http://mc/compose?to=jlany123 at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you think Iboga would be helpful if your a junk
>> food eater. It may sound trivial but it is a problem.
>>
>> I would like to improve my diet but it is like I'm
>> addicted to junk food.
>>
>> I never really much liked fruits and vegetables. I wonder
>> if you went in with the attention to eat healthier and to be
>> more disciplined in general if Iboga would help??
>>
>>
>> Do you think Iboga HCL or Iboga TA would be better in this
>> instance?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
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From helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  5 12:47:42 2010
From: helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com (Helpful Hopeful)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:47:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
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I know this is probably not so popular, but it's very interesting to read Owsley Stanley's (Grateful Dead sound man and former LSD chemist), aka Bear's, ideas about an all meat diet.

>From Wikipedia, here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owsley_Stanley

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 

Diet and health

Stanley believes that the natural human diet is a totally carnivorous one, thus making it a no-carbohydrate diet, and that all vegetables are toxic.[5] He claims to have eaten almost nothing but meat, eggs, butter and cheese since 1959 and that he believes his body has not aged as much as the bodies of those who eat a more "normal" diet. He is convinced that insulin, released by the pancreas when carbohydrates are ingested, is the cause of much damage to human tissue and that diabetes mellitus is caused by the ingestion of carbohydrates.

Stanley received radiation therapy in 2004 for throat cancer, which he first attributed to passive exposure to cigarette smoke at concerts,[6] but which he later discovered was almost certainly caused by the infection of his tonsil with HPV. He credits his low carb diet with starving the tumor of glucose, slowing its growth and preventing its spread enough that it could be successfully treated despite its advanced state at diagnosis.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

There is also a 250 page thread on a lowcarber forum in which Owsley gives his arguments against several who disagree.  I am not fully convinced either way, but he does make a good argument for it.  Also, I have read a lot about diet and blood type, that seemed to make a lot of sense.  The book, Eat Right 4 Your Type by Peter J. D'adamo ( http://www.dadamo.com/ ), seems to also have some very valid points.

Here is a link to the thread on the low carb forum, which I have read entirely, but it can take hours, if anyone is interested. 

http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=287013&page=1&pp=15 or
http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?s=2140386a5bb261d5487907af28b48a06&t=287013

I am not sure what is the best diet for each person, let alone myself, but do tend to like meat a great deal, and cannot handle any lactose in dairy.  I never have liked veggies, with the exception of potatoes, corn, or peppers, but like a decent amount of fruits.  I enjoy a bit of Bear's Essays, found on his website at http://thebear.org, which range from global warming to diet, and more.  Some of his eccentric views I do agree with.  He is also really good at arguing or explaining his ideas.  Being a pretty hardcore Dead Head, maybe I give Owsley more credit than he deserves, but as I said, he does make some good arguments.

Anyways, I would love to improve my diet, if I could figure out what exactly is best for me, but for now I try to eat as little fast food or processed foods as possible, and try to keep a good balance among the food groups.  Eat Right 4 Your Type, has loads of references and scientific data to support a blood type diet, but I am not as well studied as the author, obviously, so don't have much of an argument against his ideas.  It sure seems to make sense, the way he explains it, but who can you really trust/believe nowadays?

I enjoy learning all I can and sharing the things that grab my attention, and these are a few varying ideas about diet, that interest me a great deal.

Hope someone finds some of this interesting!

Respectfully,

HH





________________________________
From: Jeremy Spence <jlspence12 at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 4:58:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions


As I "thought" I was going pro bodybuilder, that didn't know he 
was getting ready to " fall off a cliff"

I fell for the extreme protien deit,
And it was probably 
My biggest down fall with my total 
Heath in general.

2 16oz prime ribs a day!!!!
2!!!!!!
With all types of other shite!!!
Add in a gallon of dark Newcastle beer 
a day!!
Plus working out 6-7 days a week, plus going to college writing papers 
as a psy major
Well, I'd double major if I went back to school again
And major in biology also.
I got nearly a major in psy 
I could easily get a major in both.

I got a ton of hours out at my local college.
I just ran out of $$ and Im Not going to go into all types of dept. Or drag My mother into dept with me.

I won't do it.
But anyways,
My deit fucked me harder then anything,
I was a bodybuilder, working part time at a restront(that full of Chem. Prosever it)
I didn't know about all that crap back then!!
Hell the Chemical in the tab water and the un natural food will kill you before 
the so called " addictive drugs"
That are demonized by iqorant Americans.
No, addictive meds are not good 4 u.
No, long term, they are not the heathest thing u could ever put in your body!!
I tend to believe the more un natural, long term, more then likely is not the best thing to put in your human gas tank..
Probably not...
Is problably not 
But natural not Just all safe either !
Nothings across the board!
Nothing!!!!!
But I would get my info from the " media!! I tell u that!
Or these "so called" " medical studies"
" done by the drug comp."
Or the "DEA"
Right!
They are non bisest.
Right.

But anyway,
High protien deits are not good 4 u.
The way way they would be ok for u, is 
A high fruit and veggy deit,
To balance it out....

Something I knew nothing about at 21!!
I just never dreamed i'd get a rare bladder disease!!
Not that young!

Then inter the "people with high IQs!!!"
High enough to not take my bladder out(aka=pain pump car bomb!!!!)
That would have pushed 
My wig back!!
Pissing out a bag!!!
Yea!
That would pushed my wig back!!
And believe or not somehow?

Over 50% of IC patients that get totally 
Bladder removel 
They some how still have pain??

It's crazy..
It's a crazy disease.

The uro that use to follow the grateful
dead 
Called it a "crazy women disease"
Wonderful.

20 years ago they sent me home 
and said there nothing 

On Jan 5, 2010, at 8:18 AM, Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com> wrote:


>
>I have a similar story.  I have been a vegetarian since my treatment
>for methadone 6 and half years ago.  Honestly it had never in my whole
>life occurred to me to become a vegetarian prior to that experience. 
>But I will say this for being a vegetarian, even though its kind of a
>pain finding restaurants that serve something I can eat and it makes
>going out to eat that much more difficult logistically speaking
>(seriously try and find anything but a side salad or french fries at
>applebees that doesn't have meat in it, and that's just one example),
>it still has the added advantage that I never, ever, eat fast food. 
>There is just nothing at all for vegetarians at fast food restaurants
>(with the possible exception of the veggie-delight sandwich at subway
>which is not all that great to be honest).  Fast food just doesn't
>occur to me anymore.  Even though those kinds of restaurants are
>everywhere, I hardly even notice them anymore.
>
>>Matt
>
>
>>Helpful Hopeful wrote:
>
>When I was on opiates and methadone I ate loads of sweets, sodas, and junk food.  But right after iboga, I lost my sweet tooth.  I also had a roast pig in my visions, which wasn't appealing at the time.  So I quit pig, sweets, sodas, and even cigarettes, as well as my methadone, all within 5 months after my first iboga treatment.
>>
>>HH
>>
>>--- On Mon, 1/4/10, fallen eden <falleneden1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>From: fallen eden <falleneden1 at gmail.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
>>>To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>>Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 8:56 PM
>>>I think iboga could definitely help
>>>you with junk food- iboga always seems to drastically change
>>>my diet into something like a vegetarian (though whether I
>>>continue to eat like that after about a month or two is
>>>always my decision in the end.) A lot of people who take
>>>ibogaine for other addictions also suddenly notice a strange
>>>change in their diet, specifically wanting to eat fruit and
>>>vegetables and no sweets. A lot of clinics cater to that
>>>because it is a very common reaction; many serve organic
>>>meals, or just healthy food in general. Fruit is almost
>>>always the first thing a person eats after taking iboga
>>>because many people simply lose the desire for sweets and
>>>suddenly only feel like eating fruit- skinny people have to
>>>watch out for this, as I ended up losing 15lbs after my
>>>first experience because I wanted only fruit and vegetables
>>>(and looked a bit anorexic after a week). My way of making
>>>sure I get protein during that time is through protein
>>>shakes, or soy.
>>>
>>> 
>>>I think either HCl or TA (extract) would work for
>>>something like eating too much junk food. They both tend to
>>>have the same effects on diet; you might want to lean
>>>towards HCl though just because you don't need to take
>>>nearly as much of it to get the same anti-junkfood effect as
>>>you would with TA.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 10:52 AM, J
>>>J <jlany123 at yahoo.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Do you think Iboga would be helpful if your a junk
>>>food eater. It may sound trivial but it is a problem.
>>>
>>>I would like to improve my diet but it is like I'm
>>>addicted to junk food. 
>>>
>>>I never really much liked fruits and vegetables. I wonder
>>>if you went in with the attention to eat healthier and to be
>>>more disciplined in general if Iboga would help??
>>>
>>>
>>>Do you think Iboga HCL or Iboga TA would be better in this
>>>instance?
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From masterhermesbathory at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 12:52:59 2010
From: masterhermesbathory at gmail.com (Matthew Zielinski)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:52:59 -0500
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
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I finally quit smoking 3 months ago....this has to be the stupidest
addiction ever!!
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Helpful Hopeful
<helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com>wrote:

>  I know this is probably not so popular, but it's very interesting to read
> Owsley Stanley's (Grateful Dead sound man and former LSD chemist), aka
> Bear's, ideas about an all meat diet.
>
> From Wikipedia, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owsley_Stanley
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Diet and health
>
> Stanley believes that the natural human diet is a totally carnivorous one,
> thus making it a no-carbohydrate diet, and that all vegetables are toxic.[5]
> He claims to have eaten almost nothing but meat, eggs, butter and cheese
> since 1959 and that he believes his body has not aged as much as the bodies
> of those who eat a more "normal" diet. He is convinced that insulin,
> released by the pancreas when carbohydrates are ingested, is the cause of
> much damage to human tissue and that diabetes mellitus is caused by the
> ingestion of carbohydrates.
>
> Stanley received radiation therapy in 2004 for throat cancer, which he
> first attributed to passive exposure to cigarette smoke at concerts,[6] but
> which he later discovered was almost certainly caused by the infection of
> his tonsil with HPV. He credits his low carb diet with starving the tumor of
> glucose, slowing its growth and preventing its spread enough that it could
> be successfully treated despite its advanced state at diagnosis.
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> There is also a 250 page thread on a lowcarber forum in which Owsley gives
> his arguments against several who disagree.  I am not fully convinced either
> way, but he does make a good argument for it.  Also, I have read a lot about
> diet and blood type, that seemed to make a lot of sense.  The book, Eat
> Right 4 Your Type by Peter J. D'adamo ( http://www.dadamo.com/ ), seems to
> also have some very valid points.
>
> Here is a link to the thread on the low carb forum, which I have read
> entirely, but it can take hours, if anyone is interested.
>
> http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=287013&page=1&pp=15 or
>
> http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?s=2140386a5bb261d5487907af28b48a06&t=287013
>
> I am not sure what is the best diet for each person, let alone myself, but
> do tend to like meat a great deal, and cannot handle any lactose in dairy.
> I never have liked veggies, with the exception of potatoes, corn, or
> peppers, but like a decent amount of fruits.  I enjoy a bit of Bear's
> Essays, found on his website at http://thebear.org, which range from
> global warming to diet, and more.  Some of his eccentric views I do agree
> with.  He is also really good at arguing or explaining his ideas.  Being a
> pretty hardcore Dead Head, maybe I give Owsley more credit than he deserves,
> but as I said, he does make some good arguments.
>
> Anyways, I would love to improve my diet, if I could figure out what
> exactly is best for me, but for now I try to eat as little fast food or
> processed foods as possible, and try to keep a good balance among the food
> groups.  Eat Right 4 Your Type, has loads of references and scientific data
> to support a blood type diet, but I am not as well studied as the author,
> obviously, so don't have much of an argument against his ideas.  It sure
> seems to make sense, the way he explains it, but who can you really
> trust/believe nowadays?
>
> I enjoy learning all I can and sharing the things that grab my attention,
> and these are a few varying ideas about diet, that interest me a great deal.
>
> Hope someone finds some of this interesting!
>
> Respectfully,
>
> HH
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Jeremy Spence <jlspence12 at gmail.com>
>
> *To:* The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> *Sent:* Tue, January 5, 2010 4:58:56 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
>
>  As I "thought" I was going pro bodybuilder, that didn't know he
> was getting ready to " fall off a cliff"
>
> I fell for the extreme protien deit,
> And it was probably
> My biggest down fall with my total
> Heath in general.
>
> 2 16oz prime ribs a day!!!!
> 2!!!!!!
> With all types of other shite!!!
> Add in a gallon of dark Newcastle beer
> a day!!
> Plus working out 6-7 days a week, plus going to college writing papers
> as a psy major
> Well, I'd double major if I went back to school again
> And major in biology also.
> I got nearly a major in psy
> I could easily get a major in both.
>
> I got a ton of hours out at my local college.
> I just ran out of $$ and Im Not going to go into all types of dept. Or drag
> My mother into dept with me.
>
> I won't do it.
> But anyways,
> My deit fucked me harder then anything,
> I was a bodybuilder, working part time at a restront(that full of Chem.
> Prosever it)
> I didn't know about all that crap back then!!
> Hell the Chemical in the tab water and the un natural food will kill you
> before
> the so called " addictive drugs"
> That are demonized by iqorant Americans.
> No, addictive meds are not good 4 u.
> No, long term, they are not the heathest thing u could ever put in your
> body!!
> I tend to believe the more un natural, long term, more then likely is not
> the best thing to put in your human gas tank..
> Probably not...
> Is problably not
> But natural not Just all safe either !
> Nothings across the board!
> Nothing!!!!!
> But I would get my info from the " media!! I tell u that!
> Or these "so called" " medical studies"
> " done by the drug comp."
> Or the "DEA"
> Right!
> They are non bisest.
> Right.
>
> But anyway,
> High protien deits are not good 4 u.
> The way way they would be ok for u, is
> A high fruit and veggy deit,
> To balance it out....
>
> Something I knew nothing about at 21!!
> I just never dreamed i'd get a rare bladder disease!!
> Not that young!
>
> Then inter the "people with high IQs!!!"
> High enough to not take my bladder out(aka=pain pump car bomb!!!!)
> That would have pushed
> My wig back!!
> Pissing out a bag!!!
> Yea!
> That would pushed my wig back!!
> And believe or not somehow?
>
> Over 50% of IC patients that get totally
> Bladder removel
> They some how still have pain??
>
> It's crazy..
> It's a crazy disease.
>
> The uro that use to follow the grateful
> dead
> Called it a "crazy women disease"
> Wonderful.
>
> 20 years ago they sent me home
> and said there nothing
>
> On Jan 5, 2010, at 8:18 AM, Matt S < <ibogamail at gmail.com>
> ibogamail at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  I have a similar story.  I have been a vegetarian since my treatment for
> methadone 6 and half years ago.  Honestly it had never in my whole life
> occurred to me to become a vegetarian prior to that experience.  But I will
> say this for being a vegetarian, even though its kind of a pain finding
> restaurants that serve something I can eat and it makes going out to eat
> that much more difficult logistically speaking (seriously try and find
> anything but a side salad or french fries at applebees that doesn't have
> meat in it, and that's just one example), it still has the added advantage
> that I never, ever, eat fast food.  There is just nothing at all for
> vegetarians at fast food restaurants (with the possible exception of the
> veggie-delight sandwich at subway which is not all that great to be
> honest).  Fast food just doesn't occur to me anymore.  Even though those
> kinds of restaurants are everywhere, I hardly even notice them anymore.
>
> Matt
>
>
> Helpful Hopeful wrote:
>
> When I was on opiates and methadone I ate loads of sweets, sodas, and junk food.  But right after iboga, I lost my sweet tooth.  I also had a roast pig in my visions, which wasn't appealing at the time.  So I quit pig, sweets, sodas, and even cigarettes, as well as my methadone, all within 5 months after my first iboga treatment.
>
> HH
>
> --- On Mon, 1/4/10, fallen eden < <falleneden1 at gmail.com> <falleneden1 at gmail.com>falleneden1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   From: fallen eden < <falleneden1 at gmail.com> <falleneden1 at gmail.com>falleneden1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
> To: "The Ibogaine List" < <ibogaine at mindvox.com> <ibogaine at mindvox.com>ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 8:56 PM
> I think iboga could
>  definitely help
> you with junk food- iboga always seems to drastically change
> my diet into something like a vegetarian (though whether I
> continue to eat like that after about a month or two is
> always my decision in the end.) A lot of people who take
> ibogaine for other addictions also suddenly notice a strange
> change in their diet, specifically wanting to eat fruit and
> vegetables and no sweets. A lot of clinics cater to that
> because it is a very common reaction; many serve organic
> meals, or just healthy food in general. Fruit is almost
> always the first thing a person eats after taking iboga
> because many people simply lose the desire for sweets and
> suddenly only feel like eating fruit- skinny people have to
> watch out for this, as I ended up losing 15lbs after my
> first experience because I wanted only fruit and vegetables
> (and looked a bit anorexic after a week). My way of making
> sure I get protein during
>  that time is through protein
> shakes, or soy.
>
>
> I think either HCl or TA (extract) would work for
> something like eating too much junk food. They both tend to
> have the same effects on diet; you might want to lean
> towards HCl though just because you don't need to take
> nearly as much of it to get the same anti-junkfood effect as
> you would with TA.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 10:52 AM, J
> J < <jlany123 at yahoo.com> <jlany123 at yahoo.com>jlany123 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Do you think Iboga would be helpful if your a junk
> food eater. It may sound trivial but it is a problem.
>
> I would
>  like to improve my diet but it is like I'm
> addicted to junk food.
>
> I never really much liked fruits and vegetables. I wonder
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From helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  5 12:56:44 2010
From: helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com (Helpful Hopeful)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:56:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
In-Reply-To: <4B4370EE.8080906@gmail.com>
References: <872779.47854.qm@web51308.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<4B4370EE.8080906@gmail.com>
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The way I quit after my initial iboga session, for methadone, was I slowly reduced the amount of cigs I smoked a day.  By just waiting a bit longer every time I had the urge, I was soon, down to just bumming a smoke or two from a neighbor or friend.  When I quit buying them, I got down to smoking 1-2 cigs a day, then I just quit easily.  

By toking a small chillum of cannabis, whenever I got the urge to smoke, it helped with the oral fixation and soon I was done smoking cigs.  I had quit for 3 years before moving to an area with lots of friends, that smoked.  Soon i was bumming one or two when everyone went out for smokes, and once I bought a pack, I was back in full swing at a pack a day, in no time.  

I plan on quitting again, with my next iboga session, but my focus will be on beating the poppy pods.  I may try the way I quit the first time, if going cold turkey after iboga seems to be too much at once.  We'll see!

HH




________________________________
From: Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 5:03:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions

Hi Jim

As luck would have it I had actually quit smoking (for the 3rd time in
a year) about a month before my treatment.  I had smoked for 17 years
prior to that.  I quit smoking by using the nicotine patch each time,
but each time I eventually relapsed again until that third time when it
stuck.  I think the ibo probably helped put the nail in the coffin of
that habit for me.  The fact that I wasn't smoking was sort of lost in
the bigger fact that I wasn't using methadone or heroin or crack or... 
Happy to say I am still a non-smoker, but that drug more than any other
still on occasion looks appealing to me.  Not in the winter though, hot
damn its nice not to have to go out in the freezing cold like those
other poor saps :)

If you are smoking Jim and thinking about quitting, I recommend the
patch.  It is not nearly as uncomfortable as I thought it would be. 
Not sure how it is now but back then they came in dosage multiples of
seven (21 mg, 14 mg, and 7 mg).  I found that with the clear patch you
can just cut it with scissors and make intermediate dosages so the
steps between are only 3.5 mg difference instead of 7 mg difference. 
So for example I went from the 21mg patch to a 14mg patch plus half of
a 7mg patch for a total of 17.5mg.  Then after a while I went from that
to just the 14 and so on.  This helped me a lot and was much less
noticeable than doing the 7mg jumps.  You can't really do this with the
non-clear patches though because they look more like a giant band-aid
with a medicated area in the center and non-medicated sticky area
around it.  On the clear patches the medication (if you can really call
nicotine medication) is mixed in with the sticky on the whole underside
of the patch.  I also chewed a lot of gum (regular gum not nicotine
gum) to help satisfy the oral fixation part of the habit.

One last thing.  The reason I relapsed twice before that third time was
I allowed my self "exceptions".  I would only smoke during
such-and-such occasions sort of a thing.  That doesn't work.  I think
the same thing happens with people relapsing on heroin or other drugs. 
You tell yourself, "I'll only use it under these rare circumstances"
but then the next thing you know, your list of exceptions is so large
that you suddenly find its the rule rather then the exception.

Matt


Jim Hadey wrote: 

>
>>Hi Matt,
>
>>You made some very good changes and kept at it - congratulations.
>>Did you by any chance smoke cigs and if so did you quit them too?
>>Cigs Kill, I really got to get off them - really.
>
>>Best,
>
>>  - JIM
>>--- On Tue, 1/5/10, Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com> >wrote:
>
>
>>>>From: Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
>>>>To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>>>Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 9:18 AM
>>
>>
>>I have a similar story.  I have been a
>>vegetarian since my treatment
>>for methadone 6 and half years ago.  Honestly it had never in my whole
>>life occurred to me to become a vegetarian prior to that experience. 
>>But I will say this for being a vegetarian, even though its kind of a
>>pain finding restaurants that serve something I can eat and it makes
>>going out to eat that much more difficult logistically speaking
>>(seriously try and find anything but a side salad or french fries at
>>applebees that doesn't have meat in it, and that's just one example),
>>it still has the added advantage that I never, ever, eat fast food. 
>>There is just nothing at all for vegetarians at fast food restaurants
>>(with the possible exception of the veggie-delight sandwich at subway
>>which is not all that great to be honest).  Fast food just doesn't
>>occur to me anymore.  Even though those kinds of restaurants are
>>everywhere, I hardly even notice them anymore.
>>
>>>>Matt
>>
>>
>>>>Helpful Hopeful wrote:
>> 
>>When I was on opiates and methadone I ate loads of sweets, sodas, and junk food.  But right after iboga, I lost my sweet tooth.  I also had a roast pig in my visions, which wasn't appealing at the time.  So I quit pig, sweets, sodas, and even cigarettes, as well as my methadone, all within 5 months after my first iboga treatment.
>>>
>>>HH
>>>
>>>--- On Mon, 1/4/10, fallen eden <falleneden1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>From: fallen eden <falleneden1 at gmail.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
>>>>To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>>>Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 8:56 PM
>>>>I think iboga could definitely help
>>>>you with junk food- iboga always seems to drastically change
>>>>my diet into something like a vegetarian (though whether I
>>>>continue to eat like that after about a month or two is
>>>>always my decision in the end.) A lot of people who take
>>>>ibogaine for other addictions also suddenly notice a strange
>>>>change in their diet, specifically wanting to eat fruit and
>>>>vegetables and no sweets. A lot of
>>>> clinics cater to that
>>>>because it is a very common reaction; many serve organic
>>>>meals, or just healthy food in general. Fruit is almost
>>>>always the first thing a person eats after taking iboga
>>>>because many people simply lose the desire for sweets and
>>>>suddenly only feel like eating fruit- skinny people have to
>>>>watch out for this, as I ended up losing 15lbs after my
>>>>first experience because I wanted only fruit and vegetables
>>>>(and looked a bit anorexic after a week). My way of making
>>>>sure I get protein during that time is through protein
>>>>shakes, or soy.
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>I think either HCl or TA (extract) would work for
>>>>something like eating too much junk food. They both tend to
>>>>have the same effects on diet; you might want to lean
>>>>towards HCl though just because you don't need to take
>>>>nearly as much of it to get the same anti-junkfood effect as
>>>>you would with TA.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 10:52 AM,
>>>> J
>>>>J <jlany123 at yahoo.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Do you think Iboga would be helpful if your a junk
>>>>food eater. It may sound trivial but it is a problem.
>>>>
>>>>I would like to improve my diet but it is like I'm
>>>>addicted to junk food. 
>>>>
>>>>I never really much liked fruits and vegetables. I wonder
>>>>if you went in with the attention to eat healthier and to be
>>>>more disciplined in general if Iboga would help??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Do you think Iboga HCL or Iboga TA would be better in this
>>>>instance?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
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From helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  5 12:57:02 2010
From: helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com (Helpful Hopeful)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:57:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
In-Reply-To: <4B4370EE.8080906@gmail.com>
References: <872779.47854.qm@web51308.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<4B4370EE.8080906@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <523701.27337.qm@web55908.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

The way I quit after my initial iboga session, for methadone, was I slowly reduced the amount of cigs I smoked a day.  By just waiting a bit longer every time I had the urge, I was soon, down to just bumming a smoke or two from a neighbor or friend.  When I quit buying them, I got down to smoking 1-2 cigs a day, then I just quit easily.  

By toking a small chillum of cannabis, whenever I got the urge to smoke, it helped with the oral fixation and soon I was done smoking cigs.  I had quit for 3 years before moving to an area with lots of friends, that smoked.  Soon i was bumming one or two when everyone went out for smokes, and once I bought a pack, I was back in full swing at a pack a day, in no time.  

I plan on quitting again, with my next iboga session, but my focus will be on beating the poppy pods.  I may try the way I quit the first time, if going cold turkey after iboga seems to be too much at once.  We'll see!

HH




________________________________
From: Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 5:03:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions

Hi Jim

As luck would have it I had actually quit smoking (for the 3rd time in
a year) about a month before my treatment.  I had smoked for 17 years
prior to that.  I quit smoking by using the nicotine patch each time,
but each time I eventually relapsed again until that third time when it
stuck.  I think the ibo probably helped put the nail in the coffin of
that habit for me.  The fact that I wasn't smoking was sort of lost in
the bigger fact that I wasn't using methadone or heroin or crack or... 
Happy to say I am still a non-smoker, but that drug more than any other
still on occasion looks appealing to me.  Not in the winter though, hot
damn its nice not to have to go out in the freezing cold like those
other poor saps :)

If you are smoking Jim and thinking about quitting, I recommend the
patch.  It is not nearly as uncomfortable as I thought it would be. 
Not sure how it is now but back then they came in dosage multiples of
seven (21 mg, 14 mg, and 7 mg).  I found that with the clear patch you
can just cut it with scissors and make intermediate dosages so the
steps between are only 3.5 mg difference instead of 7 mg difference. 
So for example I went from the 21mg patch to a 14mg patch plus half of
a 7mg patch for a total of 17.5mg.  Then after a while I went from that
to just the 14 and so on.  This helped me a lot and was much less
noticeable than doing the 7mg jumps.  You can't really do this with the
non-clear patches though because they look more like a giant band-aid
with a medicated area in the center and non-medicated sticky area
around it.  On the clear patches the medication (if you can really call
nicotine medication) is mixed in with the sticky on the whole underside
of the patch.  I also chewed a lot of gum (regular gum not nicotine
gum) to help satisfy the oral fixation part of the habit.

One last thing.  The reason I relapsed twice before that third time was
I allowed my self "exceptions".  I would only smoke during
such-and-such occasions sort of a thing.  That doesn't work.  I think
the same thing happens with people relapsing on heroin or other drugs. 
You tell yourself, "I'll only use it under these rare circumstances"
but then the next thing you know, your list of exceptions is so large
that you suddenly find its the rule rather then the exception.

Matt


Jim Hadey wrote: 

>
>>Hi Matt,
>
>>You made some very good changes and kept at it - congratulations.
>>Did you by any chance smoke cigs and if so did you quit them too?
>>Cigs Kill, I really got to get off them - really.
>
>>Best,
>
>>  - JIM
>>--- On Tue, 1/5/10, Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com> >wrote:
>
>
>>>>From: Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
>>>>To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>>>Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 9:18 AM
>>
>>
>>I have a similar story.  I have been a
>>vegetarian since my treatment
>>for methadone 6 and half years ago.  Honestly it had never in my whole
>>life occurred to me to become a vegetarian prior to that experience. 
>>But I will say this for being a vegetarian, even though its kind of a
>>pain finding restaurants that serve something I can eat and it makes
>>going out to eat that much more difficult logistically speaking
>>(seriously try and find anything but a side salad or french fries at
>>applebees that doesn't have meat in it, and that's just one example),
>>it still has the added advantage that I never, ever, eat fast food. 
>>There is just nothing at all for vegetarians at fast food restaurants
>>(with the possible exception of the veggie-delight sandwich at subway
>>which is not all that great to be honest).  Fast food just doesn't
>>occur to me anymore.  Even though those kinds of restaurants are
>>everywhere, I hardly even notice them anymore.
>>
>>>>Matt
>>
>>
>>>>Helpful Hopeful wrote:
>> 
>>When I was on opiates and methadone I ate loads of sweets, sodas, and junk food.  But right after iboga, I lost my sweet tooth.  I also had a roast pig in my visions, which wasn't appealing at the time.  So I quit pig, sweets, sodas, and even cigarettes, as well as my methadone, all within 5 months after my first iboga treatment.
>>>
>>>HH
>>>
>>>--- On Mon, 1/4/10, fallen eden <falleneden1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>From: fallen eden <falleneden1 at gmail.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
>>>>To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>>>Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 8:56 PM
>>>>I think iboga could definitely help
>>>>you with junk food- iboga always seems to drastically change
>>>>my diet into something like a vegetarian (though whether I
>>>>continue to eat like that after about a month or two is
>>>>always my decision in the end.) A lot of people who take
>>>>ibogaine for other addictions also suddenly notice a strange
>>>>change in their diet, specifically wanting to eat fruit and
>>>>vegetables and no sweets. A lot of
>>>> clinics cater to that
>>>>because it is a very common reaction; many serve organic
>>>>meals, or just healthy food in general. Fruit is almost
>>>>always the first thing a person eats after taking iboga
>>>>because many people simply lose the desire for sweets and
>>>>suddenly only feel like eating fruit- skinny people have to
>>>>watch out for this, as I ended up losing 15lbs after my
>>>>first experience because I wanted only fruit and vegetables
>>>>(and looked a bit anorexic after a week). My way of making
>>>>sure I get protein during that time is through protein
>>>>shakes, or soy.
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>I think either HCl or TA (extract) would work for
>>>>something like eating too much junk food. They both tend to
>>>>have the same effects on diet; you might want to lean
>>>>towards HCl though just because you don't need to take
>>>>nearly as much of it to get the same anti-junkfood effect as
>>>>you would with TA.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 10:52 AM,
>>>> J
>>>>J <jlany123 at yahoo.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Do you think Iboga would be helpful if your a junk
>>>>food eater. It may sound trivial but it is a problem.
>>>>
>>>>I would like to improve my diet but it is like I'm
>>>>addicted to junk food. 
>>>>
>>>>I never really much liked fruits and vegetables. I wonder
>>>>if you went in with the attention to eat healthier and to be
>>>>more disciplined in general if Iboga would help??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Do you think Iboga HCL or Iboga TA would be better in this
>>>>instance?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From tinkerbell.sarah at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 14:25:06 2010
From: tinkerbell.sarah at gmail.com (tink)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:25:06 -0500
Subject: [Ibogaine] (no subject)
Message-ID: <9f892df01001051125v1b7b1fdfwf8fd157307ac7cc2@mail.gmail.com>

Happy new year to all, and may light, love and peace be your guiding stars!!
tink

From halyna at isp01.net  Tue Jan  5 15:58:10 2010
From: halyna at isp01.net (Halyna)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:58:10 -1000
Subject: [Ibogaine] re; OTfromLeary
Message-ID: <F84CE3F79FCC4C9BBA02B7F767BB1ED9@D8TJ74B1>

A little while back someone was talking about creating a religion around Iboga.
Remembered reading this long time ago and again found it; it is plausible.
Guess then Iboga could be protected under the Freedom of Religion Restoration Act.
Anyway, link is to Tim Leary's 15 page instructions for starting one's own religion.

http://www.leary.ru/download/leary/Timothy%20Leary%20-%20Start%20Your%20Own%20Religion.pdf
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From jimhadey3 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  5 16:37:22 2010
From: jimhadey3 at yahoo.com (Jim Hadey)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 13:37:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ibogaine] re; OTfromLeary
In-Reply-To: <F84CE3F79FCC4C9BBA02B7F767BB1ED9@D8TJ74B1>
Message-ID: <334102.79090.qm@web51304.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Hi 

There is an American Indian Church, I forget the name but
am sure someone will mention it.? They are allowed to have
mesc as they should.? My question is why can't I take it just
because I go to another church?? But I just say it to myself
for I really do not want to argue the point.? This is a case that
could easily go all the way to the supreme court.? If someone
take it to court I would bet it goes through several appeals 
and ends up in the U.S. Supreme Court for big brother wants
it illegal and will spend the taxpayers money to keep it that way.

Yea, we need a test case and lots of money and it will be years
and that's if we are lucky.? BTW some guy tried it with weed - got
busted.? You really need power behind you.

Best to Ya,

? - JIM

--- On Tue, 1/5/10, Halyna <halyna at isp01.net> wrote:

From: Halyna <halyna at isp01.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] re; OTfromLeary
To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 3:58 PM



 
 

A little while back someone was talking about 
creating a religion around Iboga.
Remembered reading this long time ago and again 
found it; it is plausible.
Guess then Iboga could be protected under the 
Freedom of Religion Restoration Act.
Anyway, link is to Tim Leary's 15 page instructions 
for starting one's own religion.
?
http://www.leary.ru/download/leary/Timothy%20Leary%20-%20Start%20Your%20Own%20Religion.pdf
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From helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  5 18:13:48 2010
From: helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com (Helpful Hopeful)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:13:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ibogaine] re; OTfromLeary
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The court cases really are only won by religions that have exited longer than the US has been around.  Trying to start a new religion and getting it recognized, especially one that centers around illegal substance use, will be extremely hard to get through.  Santo Daime, Uniao de Vegetal, and the Native American Church all have won cases, but no luck for Rastafari, which is relatively new in comparison.

HH

--- On Tue, 1/5/10, Jim Hadey <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Jim Hadey <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] re; OTfromLeary
> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 1:37 PM
> 
> Hi 
> 
> There is an American Indian Church, I forget the name but
> am sure someone will mention it.? They are allowed to
> have
> mesc as they should.? My question is why can't I
> take it just
> because I go to another church?? But I just say it to
> myself
> for I really do not want to argue the point.? This is
> a case that
> could easily go all the way to the supreme court.? If
> someone
> take it to court I would bet it goes through several
> appeals 
> and ends up in the U.S. Supreme Court for big brother
> wants
> it illegal and will spend the taxpayers money to keep it
> that way.
> 
> Yea, we need a test case and lots of money and it will be
> years
> and that's if we are lucky.? BTW some guy tried it
> with weed - got
> busted.? You really need power behind you.
> 
> Best to Ya,
> 
> ? - JIM
> 
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>  Tue, 1/5/10, Halyna <halyna at isp01.net>
> wrote:
> 
> From: Halyna <halyna at isp01.net>
> Subject: [Ibogaine] re; OTfromLeary
> To: "The Ibogaine List"
> <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 3:58 PM
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
> 
> A little while back
> someone was talking about 
> creating a religion around Iboga.
> Remembered reading this
> long time ago and again 
> found it; it is plausible.
> Guess then Iboga could be
> protected under the 
> Freedom of Religion Restoration Act.
> Anyway, link is to Tim
> Leary's 15 page instructions 
> for starting one's own religion.
> ?
> http://www.leary.ru/download/leary/Timothy%20Leary%20-%20Start%20Your%20Own%20Religion.pdf
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From jlspence12 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 18:38:01 2010
From: jlspence12 at gmail.com (Jeremy Spence)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:38:01 -0600
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
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I smoke a few cigars a week.

I try to keep it to that. I don't believe
cirgars are as bad for u.
They don't have the shit in them that.

My doctor got me smoking them.
LOL!!!!

They are wonderful.
I keep them to about 2 a week.
That's not that bad.

They are better for u then cigs.
Cigs have crap ass chem.
In them.
Horrible, it's like they want u to die or
something.
I don't get it?

U would think they want u to live longer?
A bit longer if u will....
So u would be able to smoke them longer.
I mean if u die young how can they get
more $$ out of u???

J






On Jan 5, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Beverly Jackson <izmudd at gmail.com> wrote:

> On smoking, I was off tobacco for a couple months, cigarettes were a  
> 25 year habit. I now smoke a couple cigars a day. Still tobacco, I  
> know.
> I had no intention of quitting cigarettes with Iboga, but wasn't  
> opposed to it 'magically' being lifted from me. And it was, for a  
> brief time.
> Good to hear the stopping stories. I've heard from someone else that  
> their third time taking Iboga was when they quit.
> I want to take Iboga again for a lot of reasons, quitting smoking  
> with intention and a plan is just one of them.
> B
>
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 9:08 AM, junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com> wrote:
> jim,
> i was able to quit smoking..
> i took a 1 gram hcl treatment as a dentist gave me pain pills let me  
> keep refiiling it.. lol...
> i didnt even mean to quit smoking... it was my second treatment and  
> afterwords i just never smoked again..
> i had an employee who came up on his one year quit date after an ibo  
> treatment.
> it works, but you have to want to quit... its slightly uncomfortable  
> for about a week, then its great... at least for me thats how it was..
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Jim Hadey <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Matt,
>
> You made some very good changes and kept at it - congratulations.
> Did you by any chance smoke cigs and if so did you quit them too?
> Cigs Kill, I really got to get off them - really.
>
> Best,
>
>   - JIM
> --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 9:18 AM
>
> I have a similar story.  I have been a vegetarian since my treatment  
> for methadone 6 and half years ago.  Honestly it had never in my  
> whole life occurred to me to become a vegetarian prior to that  
> experience.  But I will say this for being a vegetarian, even though  
> its kind of a pain finding restaurants that serve something I can  
> eat and it makes going out to eat that much more difficult  
> logistically speaking (seriously try and find anything but a side  
> salad or french fries at applebees that doesn't have meat in it, and  
> that's just one example), it still has the added advantage that I  
> never, ever, eat fast food.  There is just nothing at all for  
> vegetarians at fast food restaurants (with the possible exception of  
> the veggie-delight sandwich at subway which is not all that great to  
> be honest).  Fast food just doesn't occur to me anymore.  Even  
> though those kinds of restaurants are everywhere, I hardly even  
> notice them anymore.
>
> Matt
>
>
> Helpful Hopeful wrote:
>>
>> When I was on opiates and methadone I ate loads of sweets, sodas,  
>> and junk food.  But right after iboga, I lost my sweet tooth.  I  
>> also had a roast pig in my visions, which wasn't appealing at the  
>> time.  So I quit pig, sweets, sodas, and even cigarettes, as well  
>> as my methadone, all within 5 months after my first iboga treatment.
>>
>>
>>
>> HH
>>
>> --- On Mon, 1/4/10, fallen eden <falleneden1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> From: fallen eden <falleneden1 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
>>>
>>>
>>> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 8:56 PM
>>> I think iboga could definitely help
>>>
>>>
>>> you with junk food- iboga always seems to drastically change
>>> my diet into something like a vegetarian (though whether I
>>> continue to eat like that after about a month or two is
>>> always my decision in the end.) A lot of people who take
>>>
>>>
>>> ibogaine for other addictions also suddenly notice a strange
>>> change in their diet, specifically wanting to eat fruit and
>>> vegetables and no sweets. A lot of
>>>  clinics cater to that
>>> because it is a very common reaction; many serve organic
>>> meals, or just healthy food in general. Fruit is almost
>>> always the first thing a person eats after taking iboga
>>> because many people simply lose the desire for sweets and
>>>
>>>
>>> suddenly only feel like eating fruit- skinny people have to
>>> watch out for this, as I ended up losing 15lbs after my
>>> first experience because I wanted only fruit and vegetables
>>> (and looked a bit anorexic after a week). My way of making
>>>
>>>
>>> sure I get protein during that time is through protein
>>> shakes, or soy.
>>>
>>>
>>> I think either HCl or TA (extract) would work for
>>> something like eating too much junk food. They both tend to
>>> have the same effects on diet; you might want to lean
>>>
>>>
>>> towards HCl though just because you don't need to take
>>> nearly as much of it to get the same anti-junkfood effect as
>>> you would with TA.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 10:52 AM,
>>>  J
>>> J <jlany123 at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you think Iboga would be helpful if your a junk
>>> food eater. It may sound trivial but it is a problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would like to improve my diet but it is like I'm
>>> addicted to junk food.
>>>
>>> I never really much liked fruits and vegetables. I wonder
>>> if you went in with the attention to eat healthier and to be
>>> more disciplined in general if Iboga would help??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you think Iboga HCL or Iboga TA would be better in this
>>> instance?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From jlspence12 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 20:05:30 2010
From: jlspence12 at gmail.com (Jeremy Spence)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 19:05:30 -0600
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
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Well, he is partly right.

Suger feed cancer.

Carbs feed cancer, it's a known fact.

But veggies
  being toxic, that's a bit much.

I'm not saying the dude is wrong.
No, to much suger it's horrible for your
body.
It does cause a lot of Heath problems
sadly.

I use to eat way to much suger filled foods
and what not.

It's horrible for u.
Suger in it's raw state is bad for u.
It's horrible for U.

I don't think my problem was all
a high protein problem.
It was a lot of shit.

Too much crap.
Too much suger, too much dark beer. Too much
working out(lactic acid)
Too much a lot of things.
Too much coffee(acidic, plus it depletes ub
Of your minerals and vitamins.
Stress(working and going to school, while
having not having a good diet. And what.)

It didnt help me.
I just didn't understand the way my body
worked back then.

The deit that dude on doesn't sound too
bad. As long as u stay away from
suger.(aka carbs)

I doesn't sound completely balanced though
Either.....
I mean.

I'm more for a balanced deit now.
But I love pizza(natural kind with heathy
stuff on it)
I never have liked veggies.
I just have not liked them, ever.

I don't believe they are toxic to the body though
That's how
my mother got her cancer better.
Lot and lots of veggies!

In fact her skin turned yellow from
eating carrots.
Is that fucked up?
My mother was a work horse trying to get
better.
Un like me....
I never been a heavy deiter.
But I did "live" on 24-7 "for 4 years straight
a chicken and rice deit!!!!!!!!

4 years!!!!!!!!
"straight!!
Nothing but!!!
Chicken and rice.
No
Salt, no pepper. Nothing.

That was lovely.
There's something about a chicken and
rice deit that work with this disease?

What can I say it's a crazy disease.....

It could have been too much suger also?

I used to pour suger on my cereal
Like a "dump truck"
Dumping waste on to the ground....

"IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I had "NO CLUE" what I was doing.....
"NO CLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Not a clue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think back and think, "my god"
What was I thinking??????????

I just had no idea the effect that could have
on ones Heath????????????????

I just "didn't get it?????????????"
I never thought at 21 I'd be singing the
blues over a crazy long sounding
medical nightmare(that yes folks, "it could be
worse" believe it or not, yes. It could be
worse.
I count my blessing.
I don't have many. But the tiny ones I have
I thank "god" or "the big bang" or "a high power"
Or "molhammad" or "budda"
Or "the universe"
Or a new reilgion new to us Americans pray
To the iboga plant......

I think I choose door # 6
The iboga plant, which is inturn the universe
which is in turn from a higher power of sorts
Or the big bang.
Or WTFE....
U would like to dream up.
I still like to believe in Jesus, but not the judge
the world shit.
I just can't Stand that side of it.
I don't know.
I have problem with WTFE poeple want to
believe.
I'm not sure what I believe either????

I watch TV I live in the bible belt, and poeple
call in these TV pasters, some of which
are well meaning poeple.
They are not bad poeple, u must understand
these poeple are not bad poeple.
They just are who they are.

But these poeple call in, on Jesus TV
And like ask the Paster "how should
  I live my life???????????????????"
And I'm like WTF???????????????

I mean, they literly have "no brain" "to think
for thy self.
U know.
Like make up their "own minds" and shit
That's what kills me with these poeple.

They are like lambs.
sheep.
I'm not saying I'm just so much smarter.
But it's like "my godddddddddddddd"
Poeple!!!!
Where's your fucken brain??????

I don't know?
I don't mean down well meaning
religous poeple.
Many of them are very well meaning.
You can't take that away from them,
regardless
U what u believe or don't believe.

They can push it a little to far though.
That's where I have a slight problem.

But man, I can't down them, I just can't.
I can't down NA poeple either.
I seen what it did for my step brother.
But he didn't have chronic pain!!!
and not where I have it!!!!!

I've been in mental wards over this shit!!
Poeple thinking I'm just crazy!!!
I wish all I had was a drug problem!!
I fucken wish!!!!

But, hey, I not demonizing him
for blowing 20k in a month and
Running up 14k in credit cards and
Probably

More then that!
Plus he got sued for trashed a atp.
all and shit he probably doesn't wamt
us to know about, which I'm
fine, I don't need to know about it.

I never got off on poeple dirt.
I never got a hard on from listening to
poeple dirt.......
I just don't care to hear it really...

I really don't.
Some poeple really love hearing the "dirt"
On poeple, I personally never did.

I just never cared to hear it.
I don't care about dirt on poeple.

I just don't.
I don't care to hear it.
I just don't.

Religous poeple love the shit. I tend to not
want to know.
Like I don't hear enough on "TV"
Or the media.
Which I wouldn't get any of my info
from anyway.

90% over blown Bull shit.
9% half true
1% "might" be the whole truth

J











On Jan 5, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Helpful Hopeful  
<helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I know this is probably not so popular, but it's very interesting to  
> read Owsley Stanley's (Grateful Dead sound man and former LSD  
> chemist), aka Bear's, ideas about an all meat diet.
>
> From Wikipedia, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owsley_Stanley
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> carnivorous one, thus making it a no-carbohydrate diet, and that all  
> vegetables are toxic.[5] He claims to have eaten almost nothing but  
> meat, eggs, butter and cheese since 1959 and that he believes his  
> body has not aged as much as the bodies of those who eat a more  
> "normal" diet. He is convinced that insulin, released by the  
> pancreas when carbohydrates are ingested, is the cause of much  
> damage to human tissue and that diabetes mellitus is caused by the  
> ingestion of carbohydrates.
>
> Stanley received radiation therapy in 2004 for throat cancer, which  
> he first attributed to passive exposure to cigarette smoke at  
> concerts,[6] but which he later discovered was almost certainly  
> caused by the infection of his tonsil with HPV. He credits his low  
> carb diet with starving the tumor of glucose, slowing its growth and  
> preventing its spread enough that it could be successfully treated  
> despite its advanced state at diagnosis.
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> There is also a 250 page thread on a lowcarber forum in which Owsley  
> gives his arguments against several who disagree.  I am not fully  
> convinced either way, but he does make a good argument for it.   
> Also, I have read a lot about diet and blood type, that seemed to  
> make a lot of sense.  The book, Eat Right 4 Your Type by Peter J.  
> D'adamo ( http://www.dadamo.com/ ), seems to also have some very  
> valid points.
>
> Here is a link to the thread on the low carb forum, which I have  
> read entirely, but it can take hours, if anyone is interested.
>
> http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=287013&page=1&pp=15 or
> http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?s=2140386a5bb261d5487907af28b48a06&t=287013
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> I am not sure what is the best diet for each person, let alone  
> myself, but do tend to like meat a great deal, and cannot handle any  
> lactose in dairy.  I never have liked veggies, with the exception of  
> potatoes, corn, or peppers, but like a decent amount of fruits.  I  
> enjoy a bit of Bear's Essays, found on his website at http://thebear.org 
> , which range from global warming to diet, and more.  Some of his  
> eccentric views I do agree with.  He is also really good at arguing  
> or explaining his ideas.  Being a pretty hardcore Dead Head, maybe I  
> give Owsley more credit than he deserves, but as I said, he does  
> make some good arguments.
>
> Anyways, I would love to improve my diet, if I could figure out what  
> exactly is best for me, but for now I try to eat as little fast food  
> or processed foods as possible, and try to keep a good balance among  
> the food groups.  Eat Right 4 Your Type, has loads of references and  
> scientific data to support a blood type diet, but I am not as well  
> studied as the author, obviously, so don't have much of an argument  
> against his ideas.  It sure seems to make sense, the way he explains  
> it, but who can you really trust/believe nowadays?
>
> I enjoy learning all I can and sharing the things that grab my  
> attention, and these are a few varying ideas about diet, that  
> interest me a great deal.
>
> Hope someone finds some of this interesting!
>
> Respectfully,
>
> HH
>
>
> From: Jeremy Spence <jlspence12 at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 4:58:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga for Unusual Addictions
>
> As I "thought" I was going pro bodybuilder, that didn't know he
> was getting ready to " fall off a cliff"
>
> I fell for the extreme protien deit,
> And it was probably
> My biggest down fall with my total
> Heath in general.
>
> 2 16oz prime ribs a day!!!!
> 2!!!!!!
> With all types of other shite!!!
> Add in a gallon of dark Newcastle beer
> a day!!
> Plus working out 6-7 days a week, plus going to college writing papers
> as a psy major
> Well, I'd double major if I went back to school again
> And major in biology also.
> I got nearly a major in psy
> I could easily get a major in both.
>
> I got a ton of hours out at my local college.
> I just ran out of $$ and Im Not going to go into all types of dept.  
> Or drag My mother into dept with me.
>
> I won't do it.
> But anyways,
> My deit fucked me harder then anything,
> I was a bodybuilder, working part time at a restront(that full of  
> Chem. Prosever it)
> I didn't know about all that crap back then!!
> Hell the Chemical in the tab water and the un natural food will kill  
> you before
> the so called " addictive drugs"
> That are demonized by iqorant Americans.
> No, addictive meds are not good 4 u.
> No, long term, they are not the heathest thing u could ever put in  
> your body!!
> I tend to believe the more un natural, long term, more then likely  
> is not the best thing to put in your human gas tank..
> Probably not...