[Ibogaine] Updated extracton of Iboga alkaloids from rootbark, with added measurements..(Chris?)
chris at jenks.us
Mon Feb 22 13:23:17 EST 2010
I definitely understand. My wife hates insects - a lot. But my daughters
are old enough to take care of themselves. Still, it will take a lot of
coordinating to make this work. I couldn't make this move financially if I
hadn't been offered help. Maybe in a year, if I can stay on the path, we
can work out a way. Anyhow, I really appreciate your work on the list.
Just because it's going off into the ether to people you can't see doesn't
mean it won't have a big impact.
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010, Helpful Hopeful wrote:
> This is an amazing offer, and one I would take up in a heartbeat, however, I have 3 children and a woman, all who need me to provide for them. They are: boy 15, girl 12, and boy 10, and are wonderful kids. Right now they take top priority.
> I truly wish I could take more time to get even more involved, and this offer is flattering and exciting, but I don't think I would really be able to commit to/afford it, in the way that would be necessary. I believe this would be a life changing opportunity that could really change the course of my life, but I have several things that will hold me back, and could be very difficult for my whole family to deal with. I would love to be able to explain even more details, but it's probably best left private, as it's something that only I can deal with.
> Please do keep me up to date on any discoveries or procedures, and I will continue to do what underground work I can in the states, at least until I can make a stronger commitment to the community. I will do as much as I can afford to fund myself in working with the iboga, and will look forward to any/all discoveries you can come up with the voacanga, as I believe I could still be a great asset to the underground community in the states.
> I am not a college trained chemist, but I have a few friends who are chemistry majors (and other types), and they allow me access to all their notes and books and everything I need to study chemistry, although I probably need to go a bit further back to the basics, because I wanted to jump straight into organic chemistry, from early on, and without a lot of that basic chem (memorization)/lab experience, it is much more difficult to learn backwards (and very tedious, although I am working on it :)).
> Hopefully, you'll still be involved and things will be working as well as we all hope. If anything changes or I could figure this out, I will definitely stay in touch, and I again, thank you deeply. I am honored to have had your help, and wish only the best to you and your family. Also, once again, I am honored you would think highly enough of me to join you, as I definitely would, if I could figure out a way to do so with my family and current situation.
> Many Blessings!
> --- On Mon, 2/22/10, Chris Jenks <chris at jenks.us> wrote:
>> From: Chris Jenks <chris at jenks.us>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Updated extracton of Iboga alkaloids from rootbark, with added measurements..(Chris?)
>> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 9:03 AM
>> Dear HH,
>> Since the conference I've been planning with my wife
>> to move to central Africa in the Fall and set up a facility
>> to extract Voacanga africana at the source. (Part of that
>> "get off ur butt" comment - thanks! :-) It would be a lot
>> easier for us to stay only one year, so if you feel strongly
>> inclined, you could join us during that year as an
>> apprentice and take the reins when we bail. I believe you
>> would then be sitting on the #1 facility in the world, able
>> to provide ibo for the poorest clients.
>> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010, Helpful Hopeful wrote:
>>> Once again, thanks for making it even simpler!
>> Kudos to you!
>>> Well, as soon as I am making a good living and have
>> some extra cash, I will purchase as many kilos of the best
>> quality bark that I can. With all this info, including
>> some limited experience, I will perfect the easiest method,
>> with the best yield, and most pure TAA possible, for those
>> who want to get the full alkaloid range of Iboga, without
>> any bit of plant material whatsoever.
>>> Then, I'll just have to talk to a few friends and
>> figure out a way to get maybe 250-500 mg pressed
>> capsules/pills, of this (P)TAA, in a standardized
>> measurement, in the salt form, so that maybe providers who'd
>> choose to use the full standardized (P)TAA extract, for
>> whatever reason, it could be a very good service.
>>> Of course, this will require me to move to somewhere
>> where this could all be legal, but could be very similar to
>> the kind of standardized plant extract that was being
>> discussed on the last day of the ibo conference (for Canada,
>> I think by Sandra Karpetas?). In the context of making
>> it an herbal or homeopathic herb, rather than a medicine or
>> drug, it could fall into that natural supplement category,
>> and be standardized, and would fit the perfect criteria for
>> getting a full range of iboga alkaloids, in the purest form
>>> Maybe I am just dreaming, but it sure would be cool if
>> that could all be worked out. At least maybe I can be
>> on the cutting edge of the transformation! LOL,
>> wishful thinking, I suppose...
>>> Anyways, thanks again for everything, and if/when I
>> can afford more bark I will do a lot more practicing and
>> working on making it easier, as well as more efficient
>> (although, you seem to have really worked out most of the
>> best and most logical details, since you are the trained
>> chemist, and I am only self studied, with no formal classes,
>> ever :-P).
>>> --- On Mon, 2/22/10, Chris Jenks <chris at jenks.us>
>>>> From: Chris Jenks <chris at jenks.us>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Updated extracton of Iboga
>> alkaloids from rootbark, with added measurements..(Chris?)
>>>> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>>> Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 7:24 AM
>>>> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010, Helpful Hopeful wrote:
>>>>> Quote: "didn't know this would work. Huh. I
>>>> the increased percentage of water would prevent
>>>>> There is also the option of gassing, which
>>>> eliminate the water, as long as you bubble it
>> through a
>>>> desiccant, to remove the water vapor that comes
>> through, but
>>>> it seems like it may be a lot more complicated for
>>>> average kitchen chemist.
>>>> I tried something similar last October. I took
>>>> portion of the acetone that would have been used
>> in the
>>>> extraction of the TA and added the proper amount
>> of HCl
>>>> solution to it (determined by previous runs) and
>> then dried
>>>> the solution with anhydrous calcium sulfate. The
>>>> solution of HCl in acetone was then used to
>> acidify the
>>>> acetone extract of TA. The yield was 38% of PTA
>> HCl from TA,
>>>> compared with an average yield of 37% for the
>> previous nine
>>>> runs, so there was no significant improvement by
>>>> the water. Also, if you are trying to make TAA,
>>>> shouldn't have to be so careful with the
>> measurements of
>>>> acetone and HCl, as long as you use enough acetone
>>>> extract the TA completely, and enough HCl to
>> acidify the
>>>> extract. Instead of filtering out the PTA HCl you
>> could just
>>>> evaporate the acetone and continue as usual in
>> making RA,
>>>> which is this case would give homogenious TAA
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