[Ibogaine] Hcl better than Extract at treating opiate addiction, what do you think?
izmudd at gmail.com
Sun Sep 6 17:04:30 EDT 2009
Valuable information, thank you for taking the time.
Perhaps a series of boosters might be able to give you what you are looking
for, and then no need to postpone surgery?
Wishing you well.
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 1:05 PM, cal que <calaquendi420 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Beverly, hello list..
> I have experience taking TA for opiate addiction, and I can say with
> certainty that it works remarkably. Also, two of my closest friends
> have taken both the TA and the HCL for the same reasons and each of
> them preferred the TA over the ibogaine hcl. It seemed to us that the
> spectrum of other plant alkaloids worked syngersitically to 'get in
> there' where the HCL may have 'left off' this not to say that isolated
> ibogaine doesn't work thus, only a subjective preference of
> materials...I think it is interesting to note that perhaps they could
> be used concomitantly or in separate sessions, each using it's unique
> and powerful methods to cleanse and heal in different ways. This would
> be a good notion to explore in future studies. I myself have not been
> too well physically lately and have some nasty oral surgery to look
> forward to, it sucks because I have made arrangements to take TA iboga
> in the near future to cement and 'recapture' some of the healing that
> I experienced months ago in my initial session...I am looking to put
> 'the wind back in my sails' so to speak, but I may have to put off the
> surgery or the session, I'm not sure which just yet..thanks to all for
> being here, this list is a remarkable resource, blessings...K
> On 9/5/09, Beverly Jackson <izmudd at gmail.com> wrote:
> > That does help.
> > :)
> > Thank you all.
> > Anybody else have experiences with TA and opiates?
> > Suboxone and TA? H and TA?
> > On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 3:54 AM, Helpful Hopeful
> > <helpful_hopeful at yahoo.com>wrote:
> >> I took the extract, given by Sara Glatt, back in 2004, and have been
> >> of opiates since. I haven't tried the HCl, and I don't plan on it. I'd
> >> like to use iboga again, but would rather stick to the extract because I
> >> believe the mixture of alkaloids from the plant give more of the
> >> of
> >> the natural plant, rather than stripping down the alkaloids to one
> >> active. Many plants that man does this to, makes the plant much more
> >> harmful and addictive (although I am sure this is not the case with
> >> iboga),
> >> and I believe when the plants are used naturally one can often get more
> >> benefit. I know with peyote and other psychoactive cacti, by extracting
> >> the
> >> mescaline, but not taking the rest of the cacti alkaloids, it definitely
> >> takes away from the powerfulness and healing (somewhat) from the cacti
> >> experience, so whenever I have a choice of experiencing the full range
> >> alkaloids, I would tend to lean towards that method. For those with
> >> health problems, where the extract may seem like a rougher ride, or more
> >> difficult experience, perhaps the HCl should be used, but I have never
> >> been
> >> one to shy away from a powerful (sometimes difficult) psychedelic
> >> experience. Hope this helps!
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