[Ibogaine] oBama a Muslim

James Forristal psychonaut101 at gmail.com
Tue Nov 10 10:52:31 EST 2009


Yeah I was raised the same way.


On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Edward A. Weissbard <edwardw at mtciep.com>wrote:

> That's cool Jeremy, I understand that is your chosen path of faith.  I used
> to be on the same one in the past, but for myself, I have now learned that
> basically all human religion have their basis in human thought and idea and
> unfortunately is tainted with it's own prejudices, fears and desire to
> control in many ways.  There is always some good that comes from them, but
> i've also noticed a good number of negative influences as time has gone on.
>  If this is what brings you peace, that's all that matters!  You seem very
> open minded and non-dogmatic, which is always good.  Take Care man!
>
> ___________________
> Edward edwardw at mtciep.com
>
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>
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>
> Jeremy Spence wrote:
>
>> Look,
>> Man,
>>  I'm not here to debate this shit.
>>
>> It's just what I believe.
>> It was how I was rased.
>>
>> And later, I made up my "own mind"
>> About what I believe.
>>
>> You know.
>>
>> I mean.
>>
>> That's what I believe.
>>
>> That's what I'm going to be praying to in my
>> Last hours.
>> That's "me."
>>
>> I don't force My views on it to "anybody"
>>
>> I want to be in a better place then this one
>> When I go.
>>
>> I've seen good from reilgion and I've Seen the ugly judgemental Bad!!
>>
>> I've seen both sides.
>>
>> But, if somebody ask me, "point blank"
>> Do you believe in Jesus and god, I have to say, yes, I do.
>>
>> It's called "faith"
>>
>> Faith is something you can't see, but
>> Something you believe even though
>> You not seen it yet.
>>
>> But, if somebody ask me to listen to christan
>> BS all day, I'd have to say "I'll pass"
>>
>> I've Been really hurt by some of though
>> Idiots!!!
>>
>> But, again.
>> It was, so in was witen
>>
>> "the christans was the one you Killed Jesus.
>>
>> So, i'm a guess suffering the way Chirst suffered.
>>
>> But, again.
>> I'm dont care what poeple believe man.
>>
>> You know.
>> I don't.
>> It's not my place to tell others What to believe.
>>
>>
>> All I know is, somebody has had to Been looking out for me
>> Because "i'm still alive"
>>
>> That in it self is a
>> MIrcule of a high power other then my Self.
>>
>> But, all I'm saying.
>>
>> That about your last breath.
>> What will be going through your mind??
>>
>> I've been there.
>>
>> So many times I can't count them all.
>>
>> Waking up from being knocked out
>> In palumary enema.
>>
>> I was coughing up blood!!
>> I couldn't beath.
>>
>> I could have killed me.
>>
>> My o2 went down to below 20-30
>> BAD!!
>>
>> I remember asking the paramedic.
>> Am I going to die??
>>
>> You know what she said??
>>
>> "I don't know??"
>>
>> This is at 21!!
>>
>> And you know what was going through my
>> Mind??
>> Can you guess?
>>
>> You bet.
>>
>> I was in converson With my God.
>> Deep converson...
>>
>> I mean, " I'm speaking for me only"
>>
>> I do not run out there trying "to save"
>> Everybody Like these crazy Poeple do and act.
>>
>> They are "nut jobs" in my views on these
>> Types of poeple.
>>
>> And I'm don't talk about "where's everybody Going??"
>> When they die...
>>
>> I don't play that shit..
>>
>>
>> I don't play "everybodies going hell"
>>
>> You never going to hear me talk
>> Like that.
>>
>> I mean, yea, if there's a hell,
>> I can't see how some of these ass holes
>> Who care nothing for human life
>> Are not going to hell??
>>
>> But who am I to say?
>>
>> Who am I to tell who's "go'ing"
>> And who's not??
>>
>> All I'm saying is.
>> My last breath.
>>
>> I'm pray to god and asking to forgive
>> My sins.
>> That's where I will be in my mind.
>>
>> That how I'm going out.
>>
>> But I don't expect everybody else
>> To go out the same you know.
>>
>> But that " me"
>> I'm speaking for my fucken "self"
>> "me"
>> No one else.
>>
>> I respect a person that don't believe like Me.
>>
>> Faith is hard
>>
>> The damm crazy ass R give it such bad Name.
>> That's too bad,
>>
>> But I understand why poeple Could learn to hate religion on general
>> because
>> Of though extreme
>> Idiots!!
>> I don't like extremes anymore.
>>
>> Unless it's in the gym,
>> That the one place I won't Stop pushing the limits.
>>
>> But everything else,
>> I hate "extremes!!!!!!!!!"
>>
>> HATE THEM!!!
>>
>> J
>>
>> On Nov 9, 2009, at 10:23 PM, James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com<mailto:
>> psychonaut101 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>  Actually jesus being The son of god and/or god himself was something the
>>> second century roman bishops debated over and decided was fact... fyi
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Jeremy Spence <jlspence12 at gmail.com<mailto:
>>> jlspence12 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>    I feel    The very same way.
>>>
>>>    I don't give a fuck about him being Muslim    Not that I believe that
>>> way.
>>>
>>>    I believe in Chirst    The son of god is Jesus
>>>
>>>    But I voted for Obama.
>>>    and I wouldn't take my vote back    For nothing.
>>>
>>>    I voted for him because of
>>>    What he said about the war on
>>>    Drugs.
>>>
>>>    And unlike soo many pres.
>>>    Before he    "stop the raids on medical marijuana    It's senseless
>>> BS!!
>>>
>>>    A waste of tax money
>>>
>>>    I like Obama, I wouldn't have changed    My vote for "nothing"
>>>    "nothing!!!"
>>>
>>>
>>>    I dont love everything he does    With the econ.
>>>    But,
>>>    Fuck it,
>>>
>>>    I can stand the dude.
>>>    I'll say that.
>>>
>>>    The 1st pres.
>>>    I can "stand"
>>>
>>>    Hey.
>>>    How about that!!
>>>    J
>>>
>>>
>>>    On Nov 9, 2009, at 8:30 PM, Matt S <ibogamail at gmail.com
>>>    <mailto:ibogamail at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Well from the portion I watched it certainly appeared that every
>>>>    single one of those quotes was taken out of context so its kind
>>>>    of hard to know what he was really saying.  But supposing he was
>>>>    actually claiming to be a Muslim, is there something wrong with
>>>>    that?  I'm sure we could put together a similar video clip of
>>>>    Palin with Christian quotes.  Hell I bet we could put together a
>>>>    clip of Obama with Christian quotes. But who really cares?
>>>>
>>>>    Matt
>>>>
>>>>    Michael Liedtke wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    *The strongest video clips I have ever seen and they are from
>>>>>    his own mouth
>>>>>    **http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28*
>>>>>
>>>>>    *
>>>>>    *
>>>>>    Michael L
>>>>>    klausmkl at gmail.com <mailto:klausmkl at gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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