[Ibogaine] I took opiates once

simon loxton simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk
Fri Mar 27 07:34:03 EDT 2009


I have found iboga bark boosters very good for craving and also for depression which is common after a detox from opiates; ibogaine too but I have an over all better effect from the actual plant.




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From: Claudia Stich <Claudia.Stich at sabp.nhs.uk>
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Sent: Friday, 27 March, 2009 12:51:14
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I took opiates once


Jim, thanks a lot for your explanation. My question was 
more of a rethoric nature.
I work in the field and see that relapses are pretty 
much only of a psychological
nature. Ii was hoping that people would be able to report 
that ibogaine was working
for them because it addessess their 
cravings. 
 
Thanks a lot Jim, i shall just hang in there and see. 


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[mailto:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
Hadey
Sent: 26 March 2009 17:11
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Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I took opiates once


 
Hi Claudia,
 
That's a good question and for me and most of the people I know it  was
the cravens.  Once you experience that rush and the feeling of  heroin
you want to feel that way all your life for ever and ever.  It  causes the
brain to make more mu recepters and the cravings are extream.  I  am
sure you heard the story of the guy who went to jail for 10 years  and
used the same day  he got out.  Ever want a piece of  chocolate very
bad??  Same thing but maybe a thousand or a million times as  strong.
 
Take Care,
 
  - JIM

--- On Thu, 3/26/09, Claudia Stich <Claudia.Stich at sabp.nhs.uk> wrote:

From:  Claudia Stich <Claudia.Stich at sabp.nhs.uk>
Subject: Re:  [Ibogaine] I took opiates once
To: "The Ibogaine List"  <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 6:15  AM


 
So why is it, that so many people relapse, after  they are physically detoxified?


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 From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com  [mailto:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com] On Behalf Of simon  loxton
Sent: 26 March 2009 08:18
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Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I took opiates  once


LOL :) Because if you dont you are a pile of snot on the floor.  Also if it were that simple do you think there would be that many people  hooked on opiates; you sound like my mum :)




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 From: sitkaa  <athabaskana at gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, 26 March, 2009  4:40:10
Subject: Re:  [Ibogaine] I took opiates once


Your telling me that people who get addicted to heroine are not  getting anything out of it? Just avoiding the negative symptoms?
That just sucks. Why do it anymore?

I mean really, why?

2009/3/25 Jeremy Spence <jlspence12 at gmail.com>

It the way they give it to also, they don't usually main line  you

Also as far as opiates go, after so long you 
Just don't get high anymore.

Hell I could iv morphine and nothing.

But yea watch out for "trying" to go #2
Yea when hell freezes over

On Mar 25, 2009, at 6:29 PM, sitkaa <athabaskana at gmail.com> wrote:


Thanks Jim, I have always wondered why I didn't catch a buzz  from morphine given in a medical setting - it shoulda been pretty  strong. 
The best part of my time at that hospital was getting fresh air  and sunlight.

2009/3/25 Jim Hadey <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com>

 
Hi Again,
 
It probably was regular old morphine sulphate at 15 mg/  ml.  I had it many times
when I was a kid and it would take away the w/d  sysptoms but there was no
buzz.  Most of the guys said the same.  Also,  the same goes for new morphine (SP)
aka race morphine - nothing at all..  On the other  hand Dillies were always in demand
but were a bit on the expensive side.  Now the  Dillies are dirt cheap since they came
out with the 8mg tabs.  With the Oxys you ( I  )  feel the first shot then nothing..
But there are a lot of people who like them.  The  thing is you can keep using them
and using them till done much like Coke.  Then you  find you used a months supply
in two or three days.
 
Best to ya,
 
  - JIM

--- On Wed, 3/25/09, sitkaa <athabaskana at gmail.com> wrote:

From: sitkaa <athabaskana at gmail.com>
Subject:  Re: [Ibogaine] I took opiates once
To: "The Ibogaine  List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Date:  Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 5:54 PM 



Don't know which type of morphine I was given. The  nurses just referred to it as morphine. It could have been  plasma for all I know.


2009/3/25 junkboy <junkboy64 at gmail.com>

its easy to get high on morphine sulphate, just  change it to morphine citrate, or plain morphine base...  easy as pie..... 


 
2009/3/25 Jim Hadey <jimhadey3 at yahoo.com> 


 
Hi Sitkaa,
 
Contrary to popular belief morphine  (morphine sulphate) does not make you 
high.
It is GREAT for pain and easy on the system  (watch out for constipation) but not
all that good for getting high.    Now, speaking only for myself I can not get high  on
hydrocodeine or Oxycontin (unless  IVd).  There are many people who will  take
hydrocodeine or Oxycontin rater than  morphine.  On the other hand, I can  get
quite buzzed on 3 or 3 1/2 tablets of  Tylenol #4 which I really think is me for  all
the others prefer the Lortab and Oxy.  
 
Hope I confused ya ;)
 
  - JIM

--- On Wed, 3/25/09, sitkaa <athabaskana at gmail.com> wrote:

From:  sitkaa <athabaskana at gmail.com>
Subject:  [Ibogaine] I took opiates once
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Date:  Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 11:51 AM 



Figured I would start a new thread since  the the last one devolved into  ("*&^$%#@***&&^^!!!!**&^%$##^!!!!!!!!**^^%%$#@@!!!!!!!!")

So yea, I took morphine once.. I was at the  hospital, recovering from an operation. The  nurses would occasionally give me a shot of  morphine, but I didn't feel a thing from it. No  diminution in pain, no altered state of  consciousness, nothing. 
At one point I figured that since I was  stuck in the hospital for the next two days,  what the hay, might as well get as high as  possible. Although I wasn't really in pain, I  did my best agony imitation, and got the nurses  nervous. They gave me morphine twice more,  asking if that helped. It didn't do anything for  me, one or the other, and I told them so.  Finally they called the doctor to get him to  prescribe some serious dose of drugs. They gave  me what they described as a very large dose of  morphine that should have knocked me out. It  didn't do diddly to me. I don't know, maybe they  were just yanking my chain the same way I was  yanking theirs, but I seriously felt nothing  from their IV drip lines.
So I gave up on that game. I was bored  sitting in the hospital like that waiting to get  better. Bored..
I finally checked myself out against the  wishes of Dr. God and everybody, disgusted with  the hospital experience. I walked home as a way  to let off some steam. That walk was the best  part of the whole affair.
I wanted to get high to see what all the  fuss was about. I dunno, maybe I did get high,  but just didn't know how to feel it, kinda like  the first time you smoke pot. But still, the  first time I smoked pot, I certainly felt  something. I didn't feel anything with the  morphine they were giving me.
Anybody wanta explain that one? Give you  something else to talk  about.
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