[Ibogaine] cost and safety

michael langshaw mlangshaw67 at yahoo.com
Fri Jan 23 21:47:02 EST 2009

Thank you James,
when I say safety, I'm not worried about dieing from the ibogaine. I'm more worried about trusting the people who are doing the procedure. Who knows nowadays? Anything can be done to you when your in that state of mind. For all I know, I'll be gives a strong sedative or rohipnol and have my organs robbed and my body dumped in a dumpster.

--- On Fri, 1/23/09, James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com> wrote:

From: James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] cost and safety
To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 7:50 PM

I'm pretty sure that depends on the person you are dealing with and your own need for safety.  I'm not really sure what exactly happens of you end up unknowingly not having the ability to metabolize ibogaine, but if you happen to have a heart rhythm problem that may lead to blood backing up in your heart, it can be very serious.  The sneaky thing about this particular problem is that even an athlete can have it, it's not something that tends to be an issue when they heart is worked hard, it's when something relaxes the hearts pressure that the issue surfaces, so even the most seemingly healthy individuals can have this problem. 

The "value" of paper..errr money is so freaking relative and strange IMHO, I wouldn't know what you'd what me to compare it to,      Time? Labor? Gold?, maybe Starvation? or Death?,then it becomes rather meaningless once those lines have been crossed.  I'd like to travel back in time and find that first little insecure human monkey that decided to lay ownership to a person or thing and make others work to get it, starting an exploitive and selfish little psychosis of miserablism. I guess if you don't give the monkey a good dose of an ego smasher every few months they forget this is a shared reality and their happiness is just as important as the next person's, when we use each other and make one another miserable we end up only making ourselves miserable when it all adds up.  All that power and security just leaves one feeling separate, paranoid and empty.  Give me a jack hammer and let me at the foundation, this high rise of thieves has some
 questions to answer!  Really, no no really, which blade of grass is yours? 

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