[Ibogaine] cost and safety

Nyc Labrets digitalcomponents at gmail.com
Fri Jan 23 04:03:23 EST 2009

My life is an open book, because my thinking is is that intimidation and
blackmail only work if you've got something you want kept secret.

No secrets, no club that can be used against me.

In my experience I've found that a paranoid mindset of the 'shh shh' look
furtively over your shoulder has an opposite attended effect in that it
draws the attention of people that one is trying to not be seen or heard by.

Bad strategy, I've always felt, tho' YMMV.

Also, even though it has come out that our Government is tracking
*everything* the signal to noise ratio is so high I wish them luck in
separating the wheat from the chaff. The AI to process all that data isn't
there yet, even with Moore's Law, and so it's humans that have to do the
heavy lifting and there are only so many hours in the day for that kind of
labor intensive work.

I mean if the boilerplate list of terms that Patrick used to set up spam
filters when he moved MindVox's servers over when he did the system wide
reboot a while back wasn't enough to shut this list down then, then I am not
going to worry myself about posting stories about my days of sucking on a
glass dick or spiking my arm.

So what? It's just words on paper/screen and it's not legally binding in any
real sense, unless I was running for public office and my opponent was
trying to smear me.

They tried to pull that crap on Bill Clinton 10 years ago and it totally
back-fired on them, now didn't it?


On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Wiggle Puppy Productions <
info at wigglepuppy.com> wrote:

> This is the first I've posted and wanted to say that if "the man" really
> cared about users so much they can find out easily. I would hope they have
> bigger priorities – especially with the changing of the guard so to say. How
> do they know if you're talking about your past or present too? There are
> statutes of limitations and I doubt any proof can be held accountable by
> saying someone using the same email as you claimed to be "shooting dope".
> How can they really prove it was indeed you who wrote that and not someone
> else with access to your account? In any other support group people speak
> somewhat candid. (I am not a fan of the NA or 12 step process giving your
> will over to GOD – a personal opinion from witnessing my parents go through
> it.) I am not suggesting anyone speak candid if they are not comfortable
> with doing so but in the case of admitting you're using which is why many
> people are here – but not everyone – there are many reasons to need a
> life-changing mind altering experience *or just to be curious about one*(for those of us here who have never had the chance to partake in an
> Iboga/Ibogaine journey). I suggest we don't shun anyone for admitting use. I
> don't think it's a big deal if someone choose to be candid as long as they
> aren't specifically risking themselves or the forum's future.
> If more people were candid and the disease of addiction wasn't always
> affiliated with being a "degenerate" or "devious" then maybe addiction would
> be studied more? Maybe if more doctors and lawyers spoke up we'd have more
> solutions by now for those people who want to stop but can't afford it,
> whether that means they can't miss work or that they choose rehab but don't
> have health insurance or those that don't have access to suboxene. Or for
> those who are addicted and allowed their use to cause them to lie, steal or
> cheat and are ashamed of that. Or for those who just simply couldn't afford
> their habit and didn't want to lower themselves to lying, cheating, or
> stealing. Everyone can agree that there is a lot of hope in Iboga/Ibogaine
> and I'd rather everyone have access to this forum for info than be without
> sound advice. Especially with everyone mentioning the cardiac risks being
> higher than before known. Just on the side of free information period –
> let's not shun anyone.
> After watching ReGenisis on hulu.com I always wondered why the poppy
> wasn't genetically engineered to improve ones sex life, remove any addictive
> qualities (or at least the symptoms of withdrawal), etc. (LOL)
> On the subject of anti-depressants has anyone here heard of using Neurontin
> or Gabapentin during withdrawal? My mom talked about it possibly helping
> with tossing and turning. I told a friend I know who is a heavy user and he
> never heard of it. He's like "it's best not to take anything" but consider
> me a Witch I helped a friend kick and had – passionflower, black cohosh,
> every homeopathic flu medicine there was, anti-diarrhea medicine, Valerian &
> Kava for sleep, Various Amino Acids, Pot, (basically anything I thought
> would help with the symptoms) but there's no way to know whether it really
> helps. I'd be curious to know if anyone ever considered throwing everything
> you can at it – if you don't have access to Meth (liquid, pills, wafers) or
> Suboxene. The average person can't get access to prescription meds to ween.
> It's such a shame I know a few people that just used the meds for 3-7 days
> and were totally clean and still clean to the day. They really make it
> harder to kick for users here in the US than necessary. They want to punish
> you and in the end it just backfires and the people can't kick. The more I
> know the better because I tend to be the go to person for any friend who
> confides with me because they know I have experience with it. (Growing up
> with two parents with issues I know too much about it as an adult now so
> it's good to have answers for people – I usually mention Iboga ever since I
> heard of it through MAPS and wish it were more accessible during my parents
> problems in the 80's & 90's but know that most people can't access Iboga or
> proper meds to ween.)
> Bootsy
> PS That's the first time ever I've used the term LOL!
> On 1/22/09 7:39 PM, "michael langshaw" <mlangshaw67 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sorry, I guess your right. I didn't think it mattered. Anybody who's
> reading knows that we've done ill eagle stuff. Technically it would just be
> hearsay. Nobody has to say where, when, or with who. I freely admit that I
> shoot dope and coke and there isn't anything anyone can do about it. I
> apologize to anyone and everyone if I've offended them. I just ask not to be
> shunned from the list for asking a stupid question.
> May solutions be found,
> Mike
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