[Ibogaine] Contents of Ibogaine digest...

simon loxton simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk
Wed Jan 21 03:40:13 EST 2009

I have not read your whole mail but would not consider iboga safer than ibogaine. there are more alkaloids and the experience is tougher on the body than ibogaine.

From: James Forristal <psychonaut101 at gmail.com>
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009 21:50:26
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Contents of Ibogaine digest...

As to iboga rootbark being more safe than the hydrochloride...

There may be some balancing effect on blood pressure amongst all the different alkaloids in the bark but that is an unfounded guess that might be looked into.

I know from my own experience about 6 months after my first ibogaine hcl experience, (when I tried the root bark in a wine infusion) that it's very ruff on the body.

At the time I was just at 75kg and I used 33 grams of the bark.  I drank it in staged doses over 2 hours and never reached a visionary dose. (not to say with different quality bark that I very well could of reached it)  I got the ear buzzing and the lights in the room vibrating but never went into the dream.  I had a small amount left but by the time I realized that I would still need to do more... I refused to drink it, the sight of the liquid made my insides quiver. I think you almost need a helper over you with a iboga filled plantain that will force it down your throat to get there that way.  

Even though this dose was not reached, I still experienced 4 DAYS of red eyed, fatigued zombie'd out hangover from the experience.  My body felt like there was a 200 lb weight on my back and the insomnia lasted forever!  The positive bounce back that comes over me about 30 hours after an ibogaine hcl experience was not part of the plan doing things this way.

Anyway, the physical effects of iboga root bark where very intense and ruff.  The ataxia was intense, though not enough to make my puke, it still made it hard to get up and let the green water that was readily coming out my back side end up in the toilet where it belonged.  Oh my!

Over all I learned this... Ibogaine hcl works through the system much faster and "cleaner" than the root bark does.  

Also I can't say enough about the importance of going to a clinic where they do these things in a safe and positive way.  Ibogaine can put you at a baseline where changes can be made, but there is something to be said about being in an environment away from "home" with people that care for and nurture you back to health after the experience that is also VERY important to the experience.  It gives you time to reset and think differently about your life.  It motivates you and empowers you, after care is a MUST!

For me, I'm like a blank screen after I do Ibogaine and if left to my own devices I will start doing thing the same way I did before.  Having someone there to point me towards new doorways and remind me that I have the power to walk through those doors is invaluable.  Thanks Clare!

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