[Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 13, Issue 91

Jeremy Spence jlspence at mac.com
Tue Jan 20 15:53:45 EST 2009


yea, i you could pretty much say that. Thanks man, appreciate that.

Yea, I'm laid back in real life, my cond. make me completely nut's  
sometimes. It sucks ass, but I guess that's life, I kind of learned to  
say fuck it in life, I mean, what the fuck can you do...... I will say  
am luckier that most though, even I feel like I got some what of a raw  
deal. At least I have my mom to help me. It nice to have at one parson  
in my life that really care for me, even though I disagree with her a  
lot.  She a died hard Christan, but I'm not, however, I do believe a  
possible god though. I guess what turns me off is the whole fire and  
brim stone crap!! its just hard for me to swallow. I mean, yea believe  
if you purposely fuck people, I believe tech, if there is a God, will  
most like will have to pay in some way for that, I mean if you do not  
pay for it in this life some how.
The whole your going to hell thing if you just don't believe 100% like  
them, I have a very hard time swallowing also.  I kind to the point  
the if I am going to burn in hell after all i been through in this  
life, then so be it!!!
But anyways enough of that crap....


What this I heard about voccaine being turned into ibogaine, I have  
heard of this.  But It got to not be a easy thing to do.  I am sure  
its possible though.  Man, you would really need to know you chemistry  
really well in order to do that. Not to say it could not be done,  
because I know it can.

But the avg. person, turning that into ibogaine, I think if would be  
much harder then that, again not to say it could be done though.  But  
I get tried of people acting like it just so easy, It can't be just  
that easy. I mean you need to at least have a chemistry background of  
I would think 4 years of collage, which I don't. This is the type of  
info. the leads people to think they can just start mixing some shit  
up by a road flare and make ibogaine, which people in up in the ER in  
mess up experiment.

Even if you make ibogaine, you need to purify it. And then you have to  
do many types of test to know that you have in fact make ibogaine and  
not some other toxic chemical.  They make it seem on the internet like  
its baking a cake.  This leads people to believe all this need is few  
house hold chemical and a few road flares, I'm kidding, but you know  
what I mean.

I am not saying it can't be done, I am sure it can.  But wouldn't one  
have to know their chemistry pretty good to be able to do that  
reaction and change that precursor into Ibogaine. I mean I don't know,  
I'm not a chemist, i don't claim to be. It would seem to me, you have  
either have to know a chemist, be be one your self to be able to do  
that, correct me if I am wrong??


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> HI,
> how much is the dose of ibogaine root bark.
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> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Voacanga Africana plant
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> I think we actually started with his experimental section then  
> worked on an easier method from there.
>
> Yes the Voc. method is very much a mission and would work out very  
> expensive.
>
>
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> From: sitkaa <athabaskana at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Monday, 19 January, 2009 20:13:55
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Voacanga Africana plant
>
>
> Howdy again Simon,
> What about Chris Jenks method? Is this economically tenable/viable?
>
> It looks like there would be alot of advantages to this method. Is  
> the extraction/isolation of voacangine difficult?
> Thanks,
> m
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 7:06 AM, simon loxton  
> <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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> It is used in similar type rituals but as a precursor to ibogaine  
> its a hell of a mission and expensive.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>
> To: Ibogaine List Posting <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Monday, 19 January, 2009 1:30:56
> Subject: [Ibogaine] Voacanga Africana plant
>
>
> Anyone know if the Voacanga Africana is used in any way similar to  
> Tabernanthe Iboga.  Looks like the Voacanga Africana contains  
> Voacangine, which is an alkaloid that may be a precursor to ibogaine.
>
> Thanks,
> -- 
> Edward
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> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Voacanga Africana plant
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> Actually if you are referring to soft its from iboga not voc.
>
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> Sent: Monday, 19 January, 2009 20:36:11
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Voacanga Africana plant
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> For sure.
>
> Voacanga is used to make the Ibogaine HCL that we are using now.  So  
> it has to be viable and preferred to using T Iboga roots. I believe  
> its also the suggested route to get a pharmaceutical grade ibogaine.
>
> Regards
>
> Charles
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:13 PM, sitkaa <athabaskana at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Howdy again Simon,
> What about Chris Jenks method? Is this economically tenable/viable?
>
> It looks like there would be alot of advantages to this method. Is  
> the extraction/isolation of voacangine difficult?
> Thanks,
> m
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 7:06 AM, simon loxton  
> <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> It is used in similar type rituals but as a precursor to ibogaine  
> its a hell of a mission and expensive.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>
> To: Ibogaine List Posting <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Monday, 19 January, 2009 1:30:56
> Subject: [Ibogaine] Voacanga Africana plant
>
>
> Anyone know if the Voacanga Africana is used in any way similar to  
> Tabernanthe Iboga.  Looks like the Voacanga Africana contains  
> Voacangine, which is an alkaloid that may be a precursor to ibogaine.
>
> Thanks,
> -- 
> Edward
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> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Voacanga Africana plant
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> NO; unless you are processing tons I doubt it would be viable. I  
> heard Deroit Ron was the only person thinking of the route but have  
> not received further information as to how far they are. So far its  
> all been from iboga.
>
>
>
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> From: sitkaa <athabaskana at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Monday, 19 January, 2009 23:14:21
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Voacanga Africana plant
>
>
> So were I to pursue making ibogaine, a viable method would be using  
> the bark of voacanga?
> This doesn't look that difficult. Has anyone else here done this?
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Charles Rossouw <charles.rossouw at gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
> For sure.
>
> Voacanga is used to make the Ibogaine HCL that we are using now.  So  
> it has to be viable and preferred to using T Iboga roots. I believe  
> its also the suggested route to get a pharmaceutical grade ibogaine.
>
> Regards
>
> Charles
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:13 PM, sitkaa <athabaskana at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Howdy again Simon,
> What about Chris Jenks method? Is this economically tenable/viable?
>
> It looks like there would be alot of advantages to this method. Is  
> the extraction/isolation of voacangine difficult?
> Thanks,
> m
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 7:06 AM, simon loxton  
> <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> It is used in similar type rituals but as a precursor to ibogaine  
> its a hell of a mission and expensive.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>
> To: Ibogaine List Posting <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Monday, 19 January, 2009 1:30:56
> Subject: [Ibogaine] Voacanga Africana plant
>
>
> Anyone know if the Voacanga Africana is used in any way similar to  
> Tabernanthe Iboga.  Looks like the Voacanga Africana contains  
> Voacangine, which is an alkaloid that may be a precursor to ibogaine.
>
> Thanks,
> -- 
> Edward
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> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:40:32 +0000 (GMT)
> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine dose
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> For what? I guess you mean iboga root bark; and the dose would also  
> depend on the quality of bark.
>
>
>
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> From: riste adziev <radziev at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Sent: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009 3:55:39
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> HI,
> how much is the dose of ibogaine root bark.
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> From: Matt Shriver <ibogamail at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine movies torrent
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> I don't remember if this hit the list already or not.
>
> http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3757612/DEATH_DRUGS_and_a_possible_solution
>
> There are at least a couple of clips on here I have never seen.  For
> instance I never knew you went on Fox news to talk to dingleberry
> o'rielly before Howard.  I love the part where you tell him how you
> became re-addicted to heroin and he says "shame on you."  And when I  
> say
> I "love" it I mean that in a "oh my God he's such an ass" sort of way.
> There's a bunch more stuff I haven't waded through yet along with a
> couple movies that have been posted to the list before.
>
> Matt
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> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 12:13:31 -0700
> From: "Edward A. Weissbard" <edward.escs at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 13, Issue 88
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> I bet in person, Jeremy is a real laid back guy, who rarely
> speaks.....your a good guy Jeremy and i always enjoy hearing your  
> side,
> very unique style.
>
> Peace,
> -- 
>
> Edward
>
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> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 12:20:17 -0700
> From: "DC from AZ" <dcollier9 at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] QT info
> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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> is this Torsades/LongQT/etc condition only due to ibogaine, or iboga  
> bark and extract too ?
>
> please confirm anyone
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> "Love converts hearts, and gives peace."
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>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Kevin Walker
>  To: 'The Ibogaine List'
>  Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:14 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] QT info
>
>
>  Mike,
>
>
>
>  QT interval represents the electrical re-polarization of the heart.  
> It is measured from an electrocardiogram (ECG). A long QT interval  
> predisposes the heart to arrhythmias, which can sometimes be life  
> threatening. Most cases are acquired due to abnormalities in the  
> blood electrolytes (low potassium or magnesium) or certain drugs  
> (psychotropic agents, certain antibiotics and antifungal). It can  
> also be due to decrease blood supply to certain regions of the heart  
> (coronary artery disease) or myocardial disease. The congenital  
> variety is known as long QT syndrome and there over 7 - 10 subtypes.
>
>
>
>   http://www.ipej.org/0204/vincent.htm
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>
>
>  Regards
>
>  Kevin.
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>  From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com 
> ] On Behalf Of michael langshaw
>  Sent: 19 January 2009 10:55 PM
>  To: The Ibogaine List
>  Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] QT info
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>
>
>        Hi Guys,
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>        Could someone tell me what QT is.  Thanks...Mike
>
>        --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Charles Rossouw  
> <charles.rossouw at gmail.com> wrote:
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>          From: Charles Rossouw <charles.rossouw at gmail.com>
>          Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] QT info
>          To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>          Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 11:39 AM
>
>          Hi Matt
>
>
>
>          Amiodarone can be used, although there is small possibility  
> that it can also cause prolonged QT. The problem with the seizures  
> are that people can misinterpret it as severe withdrawals, and may  
> think to use morphine, which can then become fatal.  It is important  
> to give the personnel at the hospital as much a possible information  
> about ibogaine, and to tell everybody that has contact with the  
> patient: "NO OPIATES!"
>
>
>
>          I agree that patients should be monitored by ECG throughout  
> treatment, although I have never done that.  Mia culpa.  I just  
> think the monitor should be on an extension in a different room,  
> because of the constant beeping, which be distractive.
>
>
>
>          Kind regards
>
>
>
>          Charles
>
>          On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Matt Shriver <ibogamail at gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>          http://www.qtsyndrome.ch/faq.html
>
>          After reading this I wondered if what they are calling a  
> "seizure-like attack" in the article about the incident in the  
> Netherlands, was actually a loss of consciousness.  If it is as  
> common as they say it is, I imagine that unfortunately, we may be  
> seeing more deaths.  To answer my own question from my previous post  
> it looks like her corrected QT of 616ms is actually quite high.
>
>          This article also says "It is generally estimated that  
> approximately 10% to 12% of all patients with long QT syndrome show  
> a normal QT-interval on their ECG."  which is a little troubling in  
> terms of exclusion criteria.  They also mention physical exertion  
> and stress as being points at which high QT interval people suddenly  
> die.  I know it is common for the Bwiti to engage in physical  
> exertion (i.e. dancing) while on low doses of iboga, I wonder if  
> there have been incidences in which these people suddenly died  
> without warning.
>
>          They also mention beta blockers as a likely treatment.  
> Would anyone who knows about these things care to conjecture what  
> might happen if someone took a beta blocker with ibogaine?
>
>          Matt
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