[Ibogaine] QT info
bicuitboy714 at gmail.com
Mon Jan 19 15:48:31 EST 2009
I used a baby monitor when I was doing it. It really makes a big
difference. That doesn't mean that you don't go check on them every so
often, it is just for emergancies or if the patient needs you when you
aren't there. You can hear everything that happens in the room.
Peace Love and Collective Knowledge
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:51 PM, G Lists <melslists at gmail.com> wrote:
> Remote Telemetry monitoring
> Expensive, and also potentially cumbersome for the person going through the
> experience. Safe though. Lots of examples online with costs.
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Charles Rossouw <
> charles.rossouw at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Matt
>> Amiodarone can be used, although there is small possibility that it can
>> also cause prolonged QT. The problem with the seizures are that people can
>> misinterpret it as severe withdrawals, and may think to use morphine,
>> which can then become fatal. It is important to give the personnel at the
>> hospital as much a possible information about ibogaine, and to tell
>> everybody that has contact with the patient: "NO OPIATES!"
>> I agree that patients should be monitored by ECG throughout
>> treatment, although I have never done that. Mia culpa. I just think the
>> monitor should be on an extension in a different room, because of the
>> constant beeping, which be distractive.
>> Kind regards
>> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Matt Shriver <ibogamail at gmail.com>wrote:
>>> After reading this I wondered if what they are calling a "seizure-like
>>> attack" in the article about the incident in the Netherlands, was actually a
>>> loss of consciousness. If it is as common as they say it is, I imagine that
>>> unfortunately, we may be seeing more deaths. To answer my own question from
>>> my previous post it looks like her corrected QT of 616ms is actually quite
>>> This article also says "It is generally estimated that approximately 10%
>>> to 12% of all patients with long QT syndrome show a normal QT-interval on
>>> their ECG." which is a little troubling in terms of exclusion
>>> criteria. They also mention physical exertion and stress as being points at
>>> which high QT interval people suddenly die. I know it is common for the
>>> Bwiti to engage in physical exertion (i.e. dancing) while on low doses of
>>> iboga, I wonder if there have been incidences in which these people suddenly
>>> died without warning.
>>> They also mention beta blockers as a likely treatment. Would anyone who
>>> knows about these things care to conjecture what might happen if someone
>>> took a beta blocker with ibogaine?
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