[Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 13, Issue 74

Jeremy Spence jlspence at mac.com
Sun Jan 18 23:14:31 EST 2009


they are legal, BUT, AND THIS IS A BIG BUT!! They are very, very hard  
to get!!! and the most are not viable!!!!!!  They can only keep for 4  
weeks to 2 months!! max!!!!!! At that at the right humidity control  
and temp controlled environment!!!!  I believe at around 10c, and at  
least 60%-70% humidity. The min. at 50% humidity for sure.  It allow  
to dry completely out, the germ inside the seed dies!!!

I have never had any iboga seeds germinate for me. Most are too old,  
and too dried out to germinate without taking small cutting out of the  
top layer of seed.


It just bloody hard to get good seed!!!! That the problem, not the  
legal status!!!! Although, i don't not believe iboga seed is listed as  
illegal, but you know I am sure they could build a case against you  
anyways!!!

Khat seeds are legal too!! but man, what are you going to do with khat  
seeds?? put them on your food??? Fuck no!! your going to germinate  
those bitches!!! So I am sure pretty much if a plant is illegal it  
fare game to build a case against you if you happen to get caught in  
our wonderful legal system!!!!!

That why I don't even worry about weather a seed is legal not not!! I  
mean come the fuck on!!!

Now a plant is a different story, but still, you follow the gov. rules  
you make your self madd!!!!!  It's so hard to know what's legal and  
what not!!!  I mean you can order coca leafs on amazon.com!!! I mean  
what the fuck!!! and they say will ship any where in the world!! So I  
mean, the US drug laws are a fucking JOKE!!!




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>   3. Re: Tabernanthe Iboga Seeds (Capt Kirk)
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> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:23:10 -0700
> From: "Edward A. Weissbard" <edward.escs at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Ibogaine] Tabernanthe Iboga Seeds
> To: Ibogaine List Posting <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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> Has anyone ever noticed how the seeds of the Tabernanthe Iboga plant
> resemble a human brain somewhat......almost seems as if the plant is
> already representing itself from the beginning.  Does anyone know of  
> the
> legal status just for the Seeds in the USA?
> -- 
> Edward
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:30:56 -0700
> From: "Edward A. Weissbard" <edward.escs at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Ibogaine] Voacanga Africana plant
> To: Ibogaine List Posting <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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> Anyone know if the Voacanga Africana is used in any way similar to
> Tabernanthe Iboga.  Looks like the Voacanga Africana contains
> Voacangine, which is an alkaloid that may be a precursor to ibogaine.
>
> Thanks,
> -- 
>
> Edward
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 23:31:12 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Capt Kirk <captkirknz at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Tabernanthe Iboga Seeds
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> mmm cool~!
> http://www.shamanic-extracts.com/xcart/images/d_212.jpg
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>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>
> To: Ibogaine List Posting <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 12:23:10 PM
> Subject: [Ibogaine] Tabernanthe Iboga Seeds
>
> Has anyone ever noticed how the seeds of the Tabernanthe Iboga plant  
> resemble a human brain somewhat......almost seems as if the plant is  
> already representing itself from the beginning.? Does anyone know of  
> the legal status just for the Seeds in the USA?
> -- Edward
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> From: Capt Kirk <captkirknz at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Tabernanthe Iboga Seeds
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> Not sure how substantiated the claims are in this piece....but you  
> reminded me of it!!
>
> A sliced Carrot looks like the human eye The pupil, iris and radiating
> lines look just like the human eye...and YES science now shows that  
> carrots
> greatly enhance blood flow to and function of the eyes.
>
> A Tomato has four chambers and is red. The heart is red and has four
> chambers. All of the research shows tomatoes are indeed pure heart and
> blood food.
>
> Grapes hang in a cluster that has the shape of the heart. Each grape
> looks like a blood cell and all of the research today shows that  
> grapes are
> also profound heart and blood vitalizing food.
>
> A Walnut looks like a little brain, a left and right  
> hemisphere,upper cerebrums
> and lower cerebellums. Even the wrinkles or folds are on the nut  
> just like the
> neo-cortex. We now know that walnuts help develop over 3 dozen  
> neuron-transmitters
> for brain function.
>
> Kidney Beans actually heal and help maintain kidney function and  
> yes, they look
> exactly like the human kidneys.
>
> Celery, Bok Choy, Rhubarb and more look just like bones. These foods  
> specifically
> target bone strength. Bones are 23% sodium and these foods are 23%  
> sodium.
> If you don't have enough sodium in your diet the body pulls it from  
> the bones,
> making them weak. These foods replenish the skeletal needs of the  
> body.
>
> Eggplant, Avocadoes and Pears target the health and function of the  
> womb and cervix
> of the female - they look just like these organs. Today's research  
> shows that when a
> woman eats 1 avocado a week, it balances hormones, sheds unwanted  
> birth weight
> and prevents cervical cancers. And how profound is this? .... It  
> takes exactly 9 months
> to grow an avocado from blossom to ripened fruit. There are over  
> 14,000 photolytic
> chemical constituents of nutrition in each one of these foods  
> (modern science has only
> studied and named about 141 of them).
>
> Figs are full of seeds and hang in twos when they grow. Figs  
> increase the motility of male
> sperm and increase the numbers of Sperm as well to overcome male  
> sterility.
>
> Sweet Potatoes look like the pancreas and actually balance the  
> glycemic index of diabetics.
>
> Olives assist the health and function of the ovaries
>
> Grapefruits, Oranges, and other Citrus fruits look just like the  
> mammary glands of the female
> and actually assist the health of the breasts and the movement of  
> lymph in and out of the breasts.
>
> Onions look like body cells. Today's research shows that onions help  
> clear waste materials from
> all of the body cells. They even produce tears which wash the  
> epithelial layers of the eye
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>
> To: Ibogaine List Posting <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 12:23:10 PM
> Subject: [Ibogaine] Tabernanthe Iboga Seeds
>
> Has anyone ever noticed how the seeds of the Tabernanthe Iboga plant  
> resemble a human brain somewhat......almost seems as if the plant is  
> already representing itself from the beginning.? Does anyone know of  
> the legal status just for the Seeds in the USA?
> -- Edward
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> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:46:44 -0800 (PST)
> From: michael langshaw <mlangshaw67 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 13, Issue 57
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> Are you guys talking about when you're in withdrawal or when your  
> high. I know that even when I'm high I'm?irritable. My brother Kevin  
> get down right mean when he's high.
> ?
> Mike
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> --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Preston Peet <prestonpeet at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> From: Preston Peet <prestonpeet at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 13, Issue 57
> To: "The Ibogaine List" <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 5:58 PM
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>
>
>
>
>
> LOL, weeelllllll, I gotta say that opiates rarely made me irritable.
>
> Peace,
> Preston
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>
> From: Warren Theriot <wleetheriot at ca.rr.com>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:23:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 13, Issue 57
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> Ibogaine treatment gives a sense of peace and equanimity to the  
> psyche. Opiates and stimulants make one extremely irritable.
>
> Warren
>
>
>
> On Jan 18, 2009, at 4:30 AM, robert charleston wrote:
>
> does more irratabity come about from treatment? rob c.
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 6:27 AM, simon loxton  
> <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> J' its OK man; its best to just ignore things like this otherwise  
> you are giving them exactly what they want; attention.
>
> You also dont know who you are dealing with; you could have a  
> bipolar schizophrenic; (No disrespect). They also have their right  
> to freedom of speech.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com>
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 13:02:05
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 13, Issue 57
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>
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> WHO THE FUCK HAS A PROBLEM WITH SIMON, IF THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH  
> SIMOM THEY GOT A PROBLEM WITH ME TOO!!
>
>
> YOU FUCK OFFF
> On Jan 18, 2009, at 4:53 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:
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>> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:02:19 +0000 (GMT)
>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Similarities with Psilosybin and Ibogaine
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>> I was going to suggest he leave his mothers PC alone and stick with  
>> the play station but did not want to aggravate his condition.
>>
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>>
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>> ________________________________
>> From: Capt Kirk <captkirknz at yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 9:59:43
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Similarities with Psilosybin and Ibogaine
>>
>>
>> Um, ok and you are?? And what's your site so I know never ever ever  
>> ever to visit it? Not that I believe in hell  
>> anyway.......................................
>> Love these charming emails.....
>> Unless I missing something................wtf?
>>
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>> listen simon you appear more than most cockroach infestations fuck  
>> off from my site or hell you invite
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>> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:03:27 +0000 (GMT)
>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
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>> I get what you mean though; iboga is very good on the psycho- 
>> spiritual side; its just that iboga is more difficult to work with
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo..com.au>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 10:56:36
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> Hello Simon,
>>
>> I agree Iboga works well for addiction I was given Iboga 5 years  
>> ago for a 23 year methadone habit and I have seen it work on many  
>> other people.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 6:23:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> I was referring to root bark when I said iboga. I find iboga works  
>> very well for addiction; ask Matt for one.
>>
>> I think ibogaine is just a hell of a lot easier which is why I like  
>> it for addiction interruption; especially for opiates.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 8:34:50
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> Hello Simon,
>>
>> You may be talking about another iboga extract not Indra, if you  
>> took 10grams of the Indra it would blow your top, break the head  
>> completely open in most cases and stop withdrawal completely. I  
>> have seen people have a lot less than 10 grams, more like 4 to  
>> 7grams of Indra and it has worked beautifully.
>>
>> As I am sure you would know, the Indra was made many years ago ( a  
>> few dozen kilo's) and is the only known proven extract where the  
>> content of Ibogaine is known so a dose can be correctly measured.
>>
>> Sara in Amsterdam does this very well and is the only source of  
>> Indra that I know of. We need her back on the list
>>
>> With opiate withdrawal a flood dose then a booster dose seems to  
>> work well with Ibogaine.
>>
>> I saw someone the other day who had 5 grams of Indra Extract for  
>> psycho spiritual. Seems to be much smoother than Ibogaine, maybe  
>> the other alkaloids play a part that science has not been able to  
>> measure yet.
>>
>> Ibogaine seems to work better for addiction as it coats the  
>> receptors better however I believe Iboga is better for psycho  
>> spiritual.
>>
>> Jasen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 3:46:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> Well are you referring to ibogaine (an extract) or what was known  
>> as indra?
>>
>> I guess you are referring to opiate withdrawal but its more common  
>> to give lower doses over an extended period of time for meth and  
>> coke; Rocky came up with a good protocol like this.
>>
>> Personally I have never experimented with the least you would need  
>> to keep withdrawal from opiates at bay. I would not want to put the  
>> patient in an uncomfortable position by doing this. Saying so;  
>> 5-10g of iboga is enough to keep withdrawal at bay for up to 12  
>> hrs. This is about all I can offer from experience; I would only be  
>> guessing or using some one elses information in terms of an extract  
>> or ibogaine in a minimal dose and I cant think of any off hand.
>>
>> The lowest I have used ibogaine wise for opiates is 16mg/kg but  
>> prefer to work between 17 and 20 mg/kg.
>>
>> Generally I prefer a single dose followed up by low doses for  
>> opiates so there is no discomfort.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: DC from AZ <dcollier9 at cox.net>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, 17 January, 2009 19:29:26
>> Subject: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> Anyone know what a non-initiation, medical only RX script might say
>> for low dose usage of Iboga extract for relief of withdrawls.
>>
>> are we there yet ?
>>
>> http://www.drogriporter.hu/en/ibogainesession.
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>> "Love converts hearts, and gives peace..."
>> __________________________________________________
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: michael langshaw
>> To: The Ibogaine List
>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
>>
>> That's what my shrink did to me with this suboxone shit. I went int  
>> his office, told him how much I was using and he wrote me out a  
>> script and sent me on my way. Nice guy. I got no one to blame but  
>> myself. I was capable of researching it........Sorry, just a little  
>> venting there.
>> Mike
>>
>> --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>  
>> wrote:
>>
>> From: Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:37 PM
>>
>>
>> Scott,
>>
>> Reading the info. reminded me of the movie, *Jacobs Ladder* from  
>> early
>> 90's, where the US Army experimented with BZ Gas on active duty  
>> personal
>> during Vietnam.? A Very strange but interesting movie, for those that
>> haven't seen it yet.? Seems pretty low to give someone a mind  
>> altering
>> substance without them even knowing.
>> --Edward
>>
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>> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 01:43:34 -0800 (PST)
>> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
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>> Hello Simon
>>
>> Yes your right. Iboga is more difficult to work with unless of  
>> course you know the Iboga you are working with (content of  
>> Ibogaine) such as the Indra?extract Sara works with. Then you can  
>> dose with confidence that the client gets what they need.
>>
>> I have seen Sara dose people with addictions and for psycho  
>> spiritual with her Iboga extract?with great results.
>>
>> I understand your comment that Ibogaine is easier to work with.
>>
>> Jasen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 7:03:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> I get what you mean though; iboga is very good on the psycho- 
>> spiritual side; its just that iboga is more difficult to work with
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 10:56:36
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> Hello Simon,
>>
>> I agree Iboga works well for addiction I was given Iboga 5 years  
>> ago for a 23 year methadone habit and I have seen it work on many  
>> other people.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co..uk>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 6:23:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> I was referring to root bark when I said iboga. I find iboga works  
>> very well for addiction; ask Matt for one.
>>
>> I think ibogaine is just a hell of a lot easier which is why I like  
>> it for addiction interruption; especially for opiates.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 8:34:50
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> Hello Simon,
>>
>> You may be talking about another iboga extract not Indra, if you  
>> took 10grams of the Indra?it would blow your top, break the head  
>> completely open in most cases and stop withdrawal completely. I  
>> have seen people have a lot less than 10 grams, more like 4 to  
>> 7grams of Indra and it has worked beautifully.
>>
>> As?I am sure you would know, the Indra was made many years ago ( a  
>> few dozen kilo's)?and is the only known proven extract where the  
>> content of Ibogaine is known?so a dose can be correctly measured.
>>
>> Sara in Amsterdam does this very well and is the only source of  
>> Indra that I know of. We need her back on the list
>>
>> With opiate withdrawal a flood dose then a booster dose seems to  
>> work well with Ibogaine.
>>
>> I saw someone the other day who had 5 grams of Indra Extract for  
>> psycho spiritual. Seems to be much smoother than Ibogaine, maybe  
>> the other alkaloids play a part that science has not been able to  
>> measure yet.
>>
>> Ibogaine seems to work better for addiction as it coats the  
>> receptors better however I believe Iboga is better for psycho  
>> spiritual.
>>
>> Jasen
>>
>>
>>
>> ?
>>
>> ?
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 3:46:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> Well are you referring to ibogaine (an extract) or what was known  
>> as indra?
>>
>> I guess you are referring to opiate withdrawal but its more common  
>> to give lower doses over an extended period of time for meth and  
>> coke; Rocky came up with a good protocol like this.
>>
>> Personally I have never experimented with the least you would need  
>> to keep withdrawal from opiates at bay. I would not want to put the  
>> patient in an uncomfortable position by doing this. Saying so;  
>> 5-10g of iboga is enough to keep withdrawal at bay for up to 12  
>> hrs. This is about all I can offer from experience; I would only be  
>> guessing or using some one elses information in terms of an extract  
>> or ibogaine in a minimal dose and I cant think of any off hand.
>>
>> The lowest I have used ibogaine wise for opiates is 16mg/kg but  
>> prefer to work between 17 and 20 mg/kg.
>>
>> Generally I prefer a single dose followed up by low doses for  
>> opiates so there is no discomfort.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: DC from AZ <dcollier9 at cox..net>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, 17 January, 2009 19:29:26
>> Subject: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> Anyone know what a non-initiation, medical only RX script might say
>> for low dose usage of Iboga extract for relief of withdrawls.
>> ?
>> are we there yet ?
>> ?
>> http://www.drogriporter.hu/en/ibogainesession.
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> "Love converts hearts, and gives peace..."
>> __________________________________________________
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: michael langshaw
>> To: The Ibogaine List
>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
>>
>> That's what my shrink did to me with this suboxone shit. I went int  
>> his?office, told him how much I was using and he wrote me out a  
>> script and sent me on my way.?Nice guy. I got no one to blame but  
>> myself. I was capable of researching it.......Sorry, just a little  
>> venting there.
>> Mike
>>
>> --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>  
>> wrote:
>>
>> From: Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:37 PM
>>
>>
>> Scott,
>>
>> Reading the info. reminded me of the movie, *Jacobs Ladder* from  
>> early
>> 90's, where the US Army experimented with BZ Gas on active duty  
>> personal
>> during Vietnam.? A Very strange but interesting movie, for those that
>> haven't seen it yet.? Seems pretty low to give someone a mind  
>> altering
>> substance without them even knowing.
>> --Edward
>>
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>> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:53:34 +0000 (GMT)
>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
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>> Yes; its really knowing your product; and having a constant in  
>> terms of quality. Ibogaine is more predictable in this respect.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 11:43:34
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> Hello Simon
>>
>> Yes your right. Iboga is more difficult to work with unless of  
>> course you know the Iboga you are working with (content of  
>> Ibogaine) such as the Indra extract Sara works with. Then you can  
>> dose with confidence that the client gets what they need.
>>
>> I have seen Sara dose people with addictions and for psycho  
>> spiritual with her Iboga extract with great results.
>>
>> I understand your comment that Ibogaine is easier to work with.
>>
>> Jasen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 7:03:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> I get what you mean though; iboga is very good on the psycho- 
>> spiritual side; its just that iboga is more difficult to work with
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 10:56:36
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> Hello Simon,
>>
>> I agree Iboga works well for addiction I was given Iboga 5 years  
>> ago for a 23 year methadone habit and I have seen it work on many  
>> other people.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 6:23:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> I was referring to root bark when I said iboga.. I find iboga works  
>> very well for addiction; ask Matt for one.
>>
>> I think ibogaine is just a hell of a lot easier which is why I like  
>> it for addiction interruption; especially for opiates.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 8:34:50
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> Hello Simon,
>>
>> You may be talking about another iboga extract not Indra, if you  
>> took 10grams of the Indra it would blow your top, break the head  
>> completely open in most cases and stop withdrawal completely. I  
>> have seen people have a lot less than 10 grams, more like 4 to  
>> 7grams of Indra and it has worked beautifully.
>>
>> As I am sure you would know, the Indra was made many years ago ( a  
>> few dozen kilo's) and is the only known proven extract where the  
>> content of Ibogaine is known so a dose can be correctly measured.
>>
>> Sara in Amsterdam does this very well and is the only source of  
>> Indra that I know of. We need her back on the list
>>
>> With opiate withdrawal a flood dose then a booster dose seems to  
>> work well with Ibogaine.
>>
>> I saw someone the other day who had 5 grams of Indra Extract for  
>> psycho spiritual. Seems to be much smoother than Ibogaine, maybe  
>> the other alkaloids play a part that science has not been able to  
>> measure yet.
>>
>> Ibogaine seems to work better for addiction as it coats the  
>> receptors better however I believe Iboga is better for psycho  
>> spiritual.
>>
>> Jasen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 3:46:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> Well are you referring to ibogaine (an extract) or what was known  
>> as indra?
>>
>> I guess you are referring to opiate withdrawal but its more common  
>> to give lower doses over an extended period of time for meth and  
>> coke; Rocky came up with a good protocol like this.
>>
>> Personally I have never experimented with the least you would need  
>> to keep withdrawal from opiates at bay. I would not want to put the  
>> patient in an uncomfortable position by doing this. Saying so;  
>> 5-10g of iboga is enough to keep withdrawal at bay for up to 12  
>> hrs. This is about all I can offer from experience; I would only be  
>> guessing or using some one elses information in terms of an extract  
>> or ibogaine in a minimal dose and I cant think of any off hand.
>>
>> The lowest I have used ibogaine wise for opiates is 16mg/kg but  
>> prefer to work between 17 and 20 mg/kg.
>>
>> Generally I prefer a single dose followed up by low doses for  
>> opiates so there is no discomfort.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: DC from AZ <dcollier9 at cox.net>
>> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, 17 January, 2009 19:29:26
>> Subject: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>>
>>
>> Anyone know what a non-initiation, medical only RX script might say
>> for low dose usage of Iboga extract for relief of withdrawls.
>>
>> are we there yet ?
>>
>> http://www.drogriporter.hu/en/ibogainesession..
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Don zo
>> "Love converts hearts, and gives peace..."
>> __________________________________________________
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: michael langshaw
>> To: The Ibogaine List
>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
>>
>> That's what my shrink did to me with this suboxone shit. I went int  
>> his office, told him how much I was using and he wrote me out a  
>> script and sent me on my way. Nice guy. I got no one to blame but  
>> myself. I was capable of researching it.......Sorry, just a little  
>> venting there.
>> Mike
>>
>> --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>  
>> wrote:
>>
>> From: Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:37 PM
>>
>>
>> Scott,
>>
>> Reading the info. reminded me of the movie, *Jacobs Ladder* from  
>> early
>> 90's, where the US Army experimented with BZ Gas on active duty  
>> personal
>> during Vietnam.? A Very strange but interesting movie, for those that
>> haven't seen it yet.? Seems pretty low to give someone a mind  
>> altering
>> substance without them even knowing.
>> --Edward
>>
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