[Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 13, Issue 57

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For me its living w/o them that makes me irritable
M

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Preston Peet <prestonpeet at yahoo.com> wrote:

>  LOL, weeelllllll, I gotta say that opiates rarely made me irritable.
> Peace,
> Preston
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Warren Theriot <wleetheriot at ca.rr.com>
> *To:* The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:23:06 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 13, Issue 57
>
> Ibogaine treatment gives a sense of peace and equanimity to the psyche.
> Opiates and stimulants make one extremely irritable. Warren
>
>  On Jan 18, 2009, at 4:30 AM, robert charleston wrote:
>
> does more irratabity come about from treatment? rob c.
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 6:27 AM, simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
>
>>  J' its OK man; its best to just ignore things like this otherwise you
>> are giving them exactly what they want; attention.
>>
>> You also dont know who you are dealing with; you could have a bipolar
>> schizophrenic; (No disrespect). They also have their right to freedom of
>> speech.
>>
>>  ------------------------------
>> *From:* Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com>
>> *To:* ibogaine at mindvox.com
>> *Sent:* Sunday, 18 January, 2009 13:02:05
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 13, Issue 57
>>
>> WHO THE FUCK HAS A PROBLEM WITH SIMON, IF THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SIMOM
>> THEY GOT A PROBLEM WITH ME TOO!!
>>
>>
>> YOU FUCK OFFF
>> On Jan 18, 2009, at 4:53 AM, ibogaine-request at mindvox.com wrote:
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>> >  1. Re: Similarities with Psilosybin and Ibogaine (simon loxton)
>> >  2. Re: RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls (simon loxton)
>> >  3. Re: RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls (Jasen C)
>> >  4. Re: RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls (simon loxton)
>> >
>> >
>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 1
>> > Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:02:19 +0000 (GMT)
>> > From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Similarities with Psilosybin and Ibogaine
>> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> > Message-ID: <591613.91287.qm at web28605.mail.ukl.yahoo.com<591613.91287..qm at web28605.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
>> >
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> >
>> > I was going to suggest he leave his mothers PC alone and stick with the
>> play station but did not want to aggravate his condition.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: Capt Kirk <captkirknz at yahoo.co.uk>
>> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 9:59:43
>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Similarities with Psilosybin and Ibogaine
>> >
>> >
>> > Um, ok and you are?  And what's your site so I know never ever ever ever
>> to visit it? Not that I believe in hell
>> anyway.......................................
>> > Love these charming emails.....
>> > Unless I missing something................wtf?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: s james <niknox at shaw.ca>
>> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> >
>> > ?
>> > listen simon you appear more than most cockroach infestations fuck off
>> from my site or hell you invite
>> >
>> >
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>> > Message: 2
>> > Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:03:27 +0000 (GMT)
>> > From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> > Message-ID: <76138.35638.qm at web28616.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
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>> >
>> > I get what you mean though; iboga is very good on the psycho-spiritual
>> side; its just that iboga is more difficult to work with
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo..com.au<jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
>> >
>> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 10:56:36
>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello Simon,
>> >
>> > I agree Iboga works well for addiction I was given Iboga 5 years ago for
>> a 23 year methadone habit and I have seen it work on many other people.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 6:23:56 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>> >
>> >
>> > I was referring to root bark when I said iboga. I find iboga works very
>> well for addiction; ask Matt for one.
>> >
>> > I think ibogaine is just a hell of a lot easier which is why I like it
>> for addiction interruption; especially for opiates.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
>> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 8:34:50
>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello Simon,
>> >
>> > You may be talking about another iboga extract not Indra, if you took
>> 10grams of the Indra it would blow your top, break the head completely open
>> in most cases and stop withdrawal completely. I have seen people have a lot
>> less than 10 grams, more like 4 to 7grams of Indra and it has worked
>> beautifully.
>> >
>> > As I am sure you would know, the Indra was made many years ago ( a few
>> dozen kilo's) and is the only known proven extract where the content of
>> Ibogaine is known so a dose can be correctly measured.
>> >
>> > Sara in Amsterdam does this very well and is the only source of Indra
>> that I know of. We need her back on the list
>> >
>> > With opiate withdrawal a flood dose then a booster dose seems to work
>> well with Ibogaine.
>> >
>> > I saw someone the other day who had 5 grams of Indra Extract for psycho
>> spiritual. Seems to be much smoother than Ibogaine, maybe the other
>> alkaloids play a part that science has not been able to measure yet.
>> >
>> > Ibogaine seems to work better for addiction as it coats the receptors
>> better however I believe Iboga is better for psycho spiritual.
>> >
>> > Jasen
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 3:46:19 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>> >
>> >
>> > Well are you referring to ibogaine (an extract) or what was known as
>> indra?
>> >
>> > I guess you are referring to opiate withdrawal but its more common to
>> give lower doses over an extended period of time for meth and coke; Rocky
>> came up with a good protocol like this.
>> >
>> > Personally I have never experimented with the least you would need to
>> keep withdrawal from opiates at bay. I would not want to put the patient in
>> an uncomfortable position by doing this. Saying so; 5-10g of iboga is enough
>> to keep withdrawal at bay for up to 12 hrs. This is about all I can offer
>> from experience; I would only be guessing or using some one elses
>> information in terms of an extract or ibogaine in a minimal dose and I cant
>> think of any off hand.
>> >
>> > The lowest I have used ibogaine wise for opiates is 16mg/kg but prefer
>> to work between 17 and 20 mg/kg.
>> >
>> > Generally I prefer a single dose followed up by low doses for opiates so
>> there is no discomfort.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: DC from AZ <dcollier9 at cox.net>
>> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> > Sent: Saturday, 17 January, 2009 19:29:26
>> > Subject: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>> >
>> >
>> > Anyone know what a non-initiation, medical only RX script might say
>> > for low dose usage of Iboga extract for relief of withdrawls.
>> >
>> > are we there yet ?
>> >
>> > http://www.drogriporter.hu/en/ibogainesession.
>> >
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > Don zo
>> > "Love converts hearts, and gives peace..."
>> > __________________________________________________
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: michael langshaw
>> > To: The Ibogaine List
>> > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:00 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
>> >
>> > That's what my shrink did to me with this suboxone shit. I went int his
>> office, told him how much I was using and he wrote me out a script and sent
>> me on my way. Nice guy. I got no one to blame but myself. I was capable of
>> researching it........Sorry, just a little venting there.
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > From: Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
>> > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>> > Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:37 PM
>> >
>> >
>> > Scott,
>> >
>> > Reading the info. reminded me of the movie, *Jacobs Ladder* from early
>> > 90's, where the US Army experimented with BZ Gas on active duty personal
>> > during Vietnam.  A Very strange but interesting movie, for those that
>> > haven't seen it yet.  Seems pretty low to give someone a mind altering
>> > substance without them even knowing.
>> > --Edward
>> >
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>> > Message: 3
>> > Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 01:43:34 -0800 (PST)
>> > From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> > Message-ID: <610555.48729.qm at web59616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> >
>> > Hello Simon
>> >
>> > Yes your right. Iboga is more difficult to work with unless of course
>> you know the Iboga you are working with (content of Ibogaine) such as the
>> Indra?extract Sara works with. Then you can dose with confidence that the
>> client gets what they need.
>> >
>> > I have seen Sara dose people with addictions and for psycho spiritual
>> with her Iboga extract?with great results.
>> >
>> > I understand your comment that Ibogaine is easier to work with.
>> >
>> > Jasen
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 7:03:27 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>> >
>> >
>> > I get what you mean though; iboga is very good on the psycho-spiritual
>> side; its just that iboga is more difficult to work with
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
>> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 10:56:36
>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello Simon,
>> >
>> > I agree Iboga works well for addiction I was given Iboga 5 years ago for
>> a 23 year methadone habit and I have seen it work on many other people.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co..uk>
>> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 6:23:56 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>> >
>> >
>> > I was referring to root bark when I said iboga. I find iboga works very
>> well for addiction; ask Matt for one.
>> >
>> > I think ibogaine is just a hell of a lot easier which is why I like it
>> for addiction interruption; especially for opiates.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
>> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 8:34:50
>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello Simon,
>> >
>> > You may be talking about another iboga extract not Indra, if you took
>> 10grams of the Indra?it would blow your top, break the head completely open
>> in most cases and stop withdrawal completely. I have seen people have a lot
>> less than 10 grams, more like 4 to 7grams of Indra and it has worked
>> beautifully.
>> >
>> > As?I am sure you would know, the Indra was made many years ago ( a few
>> dozen kilo's)?and is the only known proven extract where the content of
>> Ibogaine is known?so a dose can be correctly measured.
>> >
>> > Sara in Amsterdam does this very well and is the only source of Indra
>> that I know of. We need her back on the list
>> >
>> > With opiate withdrawal a flood dose then a booster dose seems to work
>> well with Ibogaine.
>> >
>> > I saw someone the other day who had 5 grams of Indra Extract for psycho
>> spiritual. Seems to be much smoother than Ibogaine, maybe the other
>> alkaloids play a part that science has not been able to measure yet.
>> >
>> > Ibogaine seems to work better for addiction as it coats the receptors
>> better however I believe Iboga is better for psycho spiritual.
>> >
>> > Jasen
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ?
>> >
>> > ?
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 3:46:19 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>> >
>> >
>> > Well are you referring to ibogaine (an extract) or what was known as
>> indra?
>> >
>> > I guess you are referring to opiate withdrawal but its more common to
>> give lower doses over an extended period of time for meth and coke; Rocky
>> came up with a good protocol like this.
>> >
>> > Personally I have never experimented with the least you would need to
>> keep withdrawal from opiates at bay. I would not want to put the patient in
>> an uncomfortable position by doing this. Saying so; 5-10g of iboga is enough
>> to keep withdrawal at bay for up to 12 hrs. This is about all I can offer
>> from experience; I would only be guessing or using some one elses
>> information in terms of an extract or ibogaine in a minimal dose and I cant
>> think of any off hand.
>> >
>> > The lowest I have used ibogaine wise for opiates is 16mg/kg but prefer
>> to work between 17 and 20 mg/kg.
>> >
>> > Generally I prefer a single dose followed up by low doses for opiates so
>> there is no discomfort.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: DC from AZ <dcollier9 at cox..net>
>> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> > Sent: Saturday, 17 January, 2009 19:29:26
>> > Subject: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>> >
>> >
>> > Anyone know what a non-initiation, medical only RX script might say
>> > for low dose usage of Iboga extract for relief of withdrawls.
>> > ?
>> > are we there yet ?
>> > ?
>> > http://www.drogriporter.hu/en/ibogainesession.
>> >
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > Don zo
>> > "Love converts hearts, and gives peace..."
>> > __________________________________________________
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: michael langshaw
>> > To: The Ibogaine List
>> > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:00 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
>> >
>> > That's what my shrink did to me with this suboxone shit. I went int
>> his?office, told him how much I was using and he wrote me out a script and
>> sent me on my way.?Nice guy. I got no one to blame but myself. I was capable
>> of researching it.......Sorry, just a little venting there.
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > From: Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
>> > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>> > Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:37 PM
>> >
>> >
>> > Scott,
>> >
>> > Reading the info. reminded me of the movie, *Jacobs Ladder* from early
>> > 90's, where the US Army experimented with BZ Gas on active duty personal
>> > during Vietnam.  A Very strange but interesting movie, for those that
>> > haven't seen it yet.  Seems pretty low to give someone a mind altering
>> > substance without them even knowing.
>> > --Edward
>> >
>> >
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>> > Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:53:34 +0000 (GMT)
>> > From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> > Message-ID: <742836.608.qm at web28610.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> >
>> > Yes; its really knowing your product; and having a constant in terms of
>> quality. Ibogaine is more predictable in this respect.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
>> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 11:43:34
>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello Simon
>> >
>> > Yes your right. Iboga is more difficult to work with unless of course
>> you know the Iboga you are working with (content of Ibogaine) such as the
>> Indra extract Sara works with. Then you can dose with confidence that the
>> client gets what they need.
>> >
>> > I have seen Sara dose people with addictions and for psycho spiritual
>> with her Iboga extract with great results.
>> >
>> > I understand your comment that Ibogaine is easier to work with.
>> >
>> > Jasen
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 7:03:27 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>> >
>> >
>> > I get what you mean though; iboga is very good on the psycho-spiritual
>> side; its just that iboga is more difficult to work with
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
>> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 10:56:36
>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello Simon,
>> >
>> > I agree Iboga works well for addiction I was given Iboga 5 years ago for
>> a 23 year methadone habit and I have seen it work on many other people.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 6:23:56 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>> >
>> >
>> > I was referring to root bark when I said iboga.. I find iboga works very
>> well for addiction; ask Matt for one.
>> >
>> > I think ibogaine is just a hell of a lot easier which is why I like it
>> for addiction interruption; especially for opiates.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
>> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 8:34:50
>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello Simon,
>> >
>> > You may be talking about another iboga extract not Indra, if you took
>> 10grams of the Indra it would blow your top, break the head completely open
>> in most cases and stop withdrawal completely. I have seen people have a lot
>> less than 10 grams, more like 4 to 7grams of Indra and it has worked
>> beautifully.
>> >
>> > As I am sure you would know, the Indra was made many years ago ( a few
>> dozen kilo's) and is the only known proven extract where the content of
>> Ibogaine is known so a dose can be correctly measured.
>> >
>> > Sara in Amsterdam does this very well and is the only source of Indra
>> that I know of. We need her back on the list
>> >
>> > With opiate withdrawal a flood dose then a booster dose seems to work
>> well with Ibogaine.
>> >
>> > I saw someone the other day who had 5 grams of Indra Extract for psycho
>> spiritual. Seems to be much smoother than Ibogaine, maybe the other
>> alkaloids play a part that science has not been able to measure yet.
>> >
>> > Ibogaine seems to work better for addiction as it coats the receptors
>> better however I believe Iboga is better for psycho spiritual.
>> >
>> > Jasen
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
>> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 3:46:19 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>> >
>> >
>> > Well are you referring to ibogaine (an extract) or what was known as
>> indra?
>> >
>> > I guess you are referring to opiate withdrawal but its more common to
>> give lower doses over an extended period of time for meth and coke; Rocky
>> came up with a good protocol like this.
>> >
>> > Personally I have never experimented with the least you would need to
>> keep withdrawal from opiates at bay. I would not want to put the patient in
>> an uncomfortable position by doing this. Saying so; 5-10g of iboga is enough
>> to keep withdrawal at bay for up to 12 hrs. This is about all I can offer
>> from experience; I would only be guessing or using some one elses
>> information in terms of an extract or ibogaine in a minimal dose and I cant
>> think of any off hand.
>> >
>> > The lowest I have used ibogaine wise for opiates is 16mg/kg but prefer
>> to work between 17 and 20 mg/kg.
>> >
>> > Generally I prefer a single dose followed up by low doses for opiates so
>> there is no discomfort.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: DC from AZ <dcollier9 at cox.net>
>> > To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> > Sent: Saturday, 17 January, 2009 19:29:26
>> > Subject: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
>> >
>> >
>> > Anyone know what a non-initiation, medical only RX script might say
>> > for low dose usage of Iboga extract for relief of withdrawls.
>> >
>> > are we there yet ?
>> >
>> > http://www.drogriporter.hu/en/ibogainesession..
>> >
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > Don zo
>> > "Love converts hearts, and gives peace..."
>> > __________________________________________________
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: michael langshaw
>> > To: The Ibogaine List
>> > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:00 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
>> >
>> > That's what my shrink did to me with this suboxone shit. I went int his
>> office, told him how much I was using and he wrote me out a script and sent
>> me on my way. Nice guy. I got no one to blame but myself. I was capable of
>> researching it.......Sorry, just a little venting there.
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > From: Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
>> > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>> > Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:37 PM
>> >
>> >
>> > Scott,
>> >
>> > Reading the info. reminded me of the movie, *Jacobs Ladder* from early
>> > 90's, where the US Army experimented with BZ Gas on active duty personal
>> > during Vietnam.  A Very strange but interesting movie, for those that
>> > haven't seen it yet.  Seems pretty low to give someone a mind altering
>> > substance without them even knowing.
>> > --Edward
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