[Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 13, Issue 57

Preston Peet prestonpeet at yahoo.com
Sun Jan 18 17:59:07 EST 2009


unless I didn't have 'em of course.




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From: Warren Theriot <wleetheriot at ca.rr.com>
To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:23:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 13, Issue 57

Ibogaine treatment gives a sense of peace and equanimity to the psyche. Opiates and stimulants make one extremely irritable.
Warren


On Jan 18, 2009, at 4:30 AM, robert charleston wrote:

does more irratabity come about from treatment? rob c.


On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 6:27 AM, simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

J' its OK man; its best to just ignore things like this otherwise you are giving them exactly what they want; attention.

You also dont know who you are dealing with; you could have a bipolar schizophrenic; (No disrespect). They also have their right to freedom of speech.




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 From: Jeremy Spence <jlspence at mac.com>
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 13:02:05
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Digest, Vol 13, Issue 57
 

WHO THE FUCK HAS A PROBLEM WITH SIMON, IF THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SIMOM THEY GOT A PROBLEM WITH ME TOO!!


YOU FUCK OFFF
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> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:02:19 +0000 (GMT)
> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Similarities with Psilosybin and Ibogaine
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> I was going to suggest he leave his mothers PC alone and stick with the play station but did not want to aggravate his condition.
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> From: Capt Kirk <captkirknz at yahoo.co.uk>
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> 
> Um, ok and you are?  And what's your site so I know never ever ever ever to visit it? Not that I believe in hell anyway.......................................
> Love these charming emails.....
> Unless I missing something................wtf?
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> listen simon you appear more than most cockroach infestations fuck off from my site or hell you invite
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> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
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> I get what you mean though; iboga is very good on the psycho-spiritual side; its just that iboga is more difficult to work with
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo..com.au>
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> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 10:56:36
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> 
> 
> Hello Simon,
> 
> I agree Iboga works well for addiction I was given Iboga 5 years ago for a 23 year methadone habit and I have seen it work on many other people.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 6:23:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> 
> 
> I was referring to root bark when I said iboga. I find iboga works very well for addiction; ask Matt for one.
> 
> I think ibogaine is just a hell of a lot easier which is why I like it for addiction interruption; especially for opiates.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 8:34:50
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> 
> 
> Hello Simon,
> 
> You may be talking about another iboga extract not Indra, if you took 10grams of the Indra it would blow your top, break the head completely open in most cases and stop withdrawal completely. I have seen people have a lot less than 10 grams, more like 4 to 7grams of Indra and it has worked beautifully.
> 
> As I am sure you would know, the Indra was made many years ago ( a few dozen kilo's) and is the only known proven extract where the content of Ibogaine is known so a dose can be correctly measured.
> 
> Sara in Amsterdam does this very well and is the only source of Indra that I know of. We need her back on the list
> 
> With opiate withdrawal a flood dose then a booster dose seems to work well with Ibogaine.
> 
> I saw someone the other day who had 5 grams of Indra Extract for psycho spiritual. Seems to be much smoother than Ibogaine, maybe the other alkaloids play a part that science has not been able to measure yet.
> 
> Ibogaine seems to work better for addiction as it coats the receptors better however I believe Iboga is better for psycho spiritual.
> 
> Jasen
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 3:46:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> 
> 
> Well are you referring to ibogaine (an extract) or what was known as indra?
> 
> I guess you are referring to opiate withdrawal but its more common to give lower doses over an extended period of time for meth and coke; Rocky came up with a good protocol like this.
> 
> Personally I have never experimented with the least you would need to keep withdrawal from opiates at bay. I would not want to put the patient in an uncomfortable position by doing this. Saying so; 5-10g of iboga is enough to keep withdrawal at bay for up to 12 hrs. This is about all I can offer from experience; I would only be guessing or using some one elses information in terms of an extract or ibogaine in a minimal dose and I cant think of any off hand.
> 
> The lowest I have used ibogaine wise for opiates is 16mg/kg but prefer to work between 17 and 20 mg/kg.
> 
> Generally I prefer a single dose followed up by low doses for opiates so there is no discomfort.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: DC from AZ <dcollier9 at cox.net>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Saturday, 17 January, 2009 19:29:26
> Subject: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> 
> 
> Anyone know what a non-initiation, medical only RX script might say
> for low dose usage of Iboga extract for relief of withdrawls.
> 
> are we there yet ?
> 
> http://www.drogriporter.hu/en/ibogainesession.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> "Love converts hearts, and gives peace..."
> __________________________________________________
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: michael langshaw
> To: The Ibogaine List
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
> 
> That's what my shrink did to me with this suboxone shit. I went int his office, told him how much I was using and he wrote me out a script and sent me on my way. Nice guy. I got no one to blame but myself. I was capable of researching it........Sorry, just a little venting there.
> Mike
> 
> --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:37 PM
> 
> 
> Scott,
> 
> Reading the info. reminded me of the movie, *Jacobs Ladder* from early
> 90's, where the US Army experimented with BZ Gas on active duty personal
> during Vietnam.  A Very strange but interesting movie, for those that
> haven't seen it yet.  Seems pretty low to give someone a mind altering
> substance without them even knowing.
> --Edward
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> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
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> Hello Simon
> 
> Yes your right. Iboga is more difficult to work with unless of course you know the Iboga you are working with (content of Ibogaine) such as the Indra?extract Sara works with. Then you can dose with confidence that the client gets what they need.
> 
> I have seen Sara dose people with addictions and for psycho spiritual with her Iboga extract?with great results.
> 
> I understand your comment that Ibogaine is easier to work with.
> 
> Jasen
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 7:03:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> 
> 
> I get what you mean though; iboga is very good on the psycho-spiritual side; its just that iboga is more difficult to work with
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 10:56:36
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> 
> 
> Hello Simon,
> 
> I agree Iboga works well for addiction I was given Iboga 5 years ago for a 23 year methadone habit and I have seen it work on many other people.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co..uk>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 6:23:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> 
> 
> I was referring to root bark when I said iboga. I find iboga works very well for addiction; ask Matt for one.
> 
> I think ibogaine is just a hell of a lot easier which is why I like it for addiction interruption; especially for opiates.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 8:34:50
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> 
> 
> Hello Simon,
> 
> You may be talking about another iboga extract not Indra, if you took 10grams of the Indra?it would blow your top, break the head completely open in most cases and stop withdrawal completely. I have seen people have a lot less than 10 grams, more like 4 to 7grams of Indra and it has worked beautifully.
> 
> As?I am sure you would know, the Indra was made many years ago ( a few dozen kilo's)?and is the only known proven extract where the content of Ibogaine is known?so a dose can be correctly measured.
> 
> Sara in Amsterdam does this very well and is the only source of Indra that I know of. We need her back on the list
> 
> With opiate withdrawal a flood dose then a booster dose seems to work well with Ibogaine.
> 
> I saw someone the other day who had 5 grams of Indra Extract for psycho spiritual. Seems to be much smoother than Ibogaine, maybe the other alkaloids play a part that science has not been able to measure yet.
> 
> Ibogaine seems to work better for addiction as it coats the receptors better however I believe Iboga is better for psycho spiritual.
> 
> Jasen
> 
> 
> 
> ?
> 
> ?
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 3:46:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> 
> 
> Well are you referring to ibogaine (an extract) or what was known as indra?
> 
> I guess you are referring to opiate withdrawal but its more common to give lower doses over an extended period of time for meth and coke; Rocky came up with a good protocol like this.
> 
> Personally I have never experimented with the least you would need to keep withdrawal from opiates at bay. I would not want to put the patient in an uncomfortable position by doing this. Saying so; 5-10g of iboga is enough to keep withdrawal at bay for up to 12 hrs. This is about all I can offer from experience; I would only be guessing or using some one elses information in terms of an extract or ibogaine in a minimal dose and I cant think of any off hand.
> 
> The lowest I have used ibogaine wise for opiates is 16mg/kg but prefer to work between 17 and 20 mg/kg.
> 
> Generally I prefer a single dose followed up by low doses for opiates so there is no discomfort.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: DC from AZ <dcollier9 at cox..net>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Saturday, 17 January, 2009 19:29:26
> Subject: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> 
> 
> Anyone know what a non-initiation, medical only RX script might say
> for low dose usage of Iboga extract for relief of withdrawls.
> ?
> are we there yet ?
> ?
> http://www.drogriporter.hu/en/ibogainesession.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Don zo
> "Love converts hearts, and gives peace..."
> __________________________________________________
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: michael langshaw
> To: The Ibogaine List
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
> 
> That's what my shrink did to me with this suboxone shit. I went int his?office, told him how much I was using and he wrote me out a script and sent me on my way.?Nice guy. I got no one to blame but myself. I was capable of researching it.......Sorry, just a little venting there.
> Mike
> 
> --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:37 PM
> 
> 
> Scott,
> 
> Reading the info. reminded me of the movie, *Jacobs Ladder* from early
> 90's, where the US Army experimented with BZ Gas on active duty personal
> during Vietnam.  A Very strange but interesting movie, for those that
> haven't seen it yet.  Seems pretty low to give someone a mind altering
> substance without them even knowing.
> --Edward
> 
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> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
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> Yes; its really knowing your product; and having a constant in terms of quality. Ibogaine is more predictable in this respect.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 11:43:34
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> 
> 
> Hello Simon
> 
> Yes your right. Iboga is more difficult to work with unless of course you know the Iboga you are working with (content of Ibogaine) such as the Indra extract Sara works with. Then you can dose with confidence that the client gets what they need.
> 
> I have seen Sara dose people with addictions and for psycho spiritual with her Iboga extract with great results.
> 
> I understand your comment that Ibogaine is easier to work with.
> 
> Jasen
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 7:03:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> 
> 
> I get what you mean though; iboga is very good on the psycho-spiritual side; its just that iboga is more difficult to work with
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 10:56:36
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> 
> 
> Hello Simon,
> 
> I agree Iboga works well for addiction I was given Iboga 5 years ago for a 23 year methadone habit and I have seen it work on many other people.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 6:23:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> 
> 
> I was referring to root bark when I said iboga.. I find iboga works very well for addiction; ask Matt for one.
> 
> I think ibogaine is just a hell of a lot easier which is why I like it for addiction interruption; especially for opiates.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Jasen C <jasenhappy2008 at yahoo.com.au>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 8:34:50
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> 
> 
> Hello Simon,
> 
> You may be talking about another iboga extract not Indra, if you took 10grams of the Indra it would blow your top, break the head completely open in most cases and stop withdrawal completely. I have seen people have a lot less than 10 grams, more like 4 to 7grams of Indra and it has worked beautifully.
> 
> As I am sure you would know, the Indra was made many years ago ( a few dozen kilo's) and is the only known proven extract where the content of Ibogaine is known so a dose can be correctly measured.
> 
> Sara in Amsterdam does this very well and is the only source of Indra that I know of. We need her back on the list
> 
> With opiate withdrawal a flood dose then a booster dose seems to work well with Ibogaine.
> 
> I saw someone the other day who had 5 grams of Indra Extract for psycho spiritual. Seems to be much smoother than Ibogaine, maybe the other alkaloids play a part that science has not been able to measure yet.
> 
> Ibogaine seems to work better for addiction as it coats the receptors better however I believe Iboga is better for psycho spiritual.
> 
> Jasen
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: simon loxton <simonloxton at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 3:46:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> 
> 
> Well are you referring to ibogaine (an extract) or what was known as indra?
> 
> I guess you are referring to opiate withdrawal but its more common to give lower doses over an extended period of time for meth and coke; Rocky came up with a good protocol like this.
> 
> Personally I have never experimented with the least you would need to keep withdrawal from opiates at bay. I would not want to put the patient in an uncomfortable position by doing this. Saying so; 5-10g of iboga is enough to keep withdrawal at bay for up to 12 hrs. This is about all I can offer from experience; I would only be guessing or using some one elses information in terms of an extract or ibogaine in a minimal dose and I cant think of any off hand.
> 
> The lowest I have used ibogaine wise for opiates is 16mg/kg but prefer to work between 17 and 20 mg/kg.
> 
> Generally I prefer a single dose followed up by low doses for opiates so there is no discomfort.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: DC from AZ <dcollier9 at cox.net>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Saturday, 17 January, 2009 19:29:26
> Subject: [Ibogaine] RX Iboga Extract for Withdrawls
> 
> 
> Anyone know what a non-initiation, medical only RX script might say
> for low dose usage of Iboga extract for relief of withdrawls.
> 
> are we there yet ?
> 
> http://www.drogriporter.hu/en/ibogainesession..
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Don zo
> "Love converts hearts, and gives peace..."
> __________________________________________________
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: michael langshaw
> To: The Ibogaine List
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
> 
> That's what my shrink did to me with this suboxone shit. I went int his office, told him how much I was using and he wrote me out a script and sent me on my way. Nice guy. I got no one to blame but myself. I was capable of researching it.......Sorry, just a little venting there.
> Mike
> 
> --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Edward A. Weissbard <edward.escs at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CIA drug abuse
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:37 PM
> 
> 
> Scott,
> 
> Reading the info. reminded me of the movie, *Jacobs Ladder* from early
> 90's, where the US Army experimented with BZ Gas on active duty personal
> during Vietnam.  A Very strange but interesting movie, for those that
> haven't seen it yet.  Seems pretty low to give someone a mind altering
> substance without them even knowing.
> --Edward
> 
> 
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